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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 30, 2020 6:32:11 GMT
Bring back corbyn If that duplicitous slimy war criminal Campbell supports his removal I want no part of it
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 30, 2020 6:33:51 GMT
I had stopped my Labour dd but not formally resigned as a member. So I went through my emails today and voted for the leftwing grassroots slate on the NEC elections. Fuck Starmer. Freedom for Palestine. Who gives a shit about Palestine? We're facing a national crisis here. Let Palestine worry about Palestine. Me
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 30, 2020 7:10:12 GMT
I had stopped my Labour dd but not formally resigned as a member. So I went through my emails today and voted for the leftwing grassroots slate on the NEC elections. Fuck Starmer. Freedom for Palestine. Let Palestine worry about Palestine. The Palestinians are err... a bit 'occupied'which is rather the point!
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 30, 2020 7:18:10 GMT
I haven't in all honesty seen one starving child where I live You see what you want to see. No doubt you consider them scroungers anyway, such was the glorious 'win'. is it a different story in Normacot ? still shying away from my offer to give you the chance to call me a racist in person Mo ? grow a pair.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 30, 2020 7:29:01 GMT
Who gives a shit about Palestine? We're facing a national crisis here. Let Palestine worry about Palestine. Me I'm bothered about Palestine, a people subject to discrimination and " persecution ".( although its not that simple.ple)There are many injustices across the globe. The issue for me is whether Labour should have somehow allowed it to become a mainstream issue, to detract from its core purpose. The public don't see it as a priority.It has also served to emphasise the split in the party, whether that split now occurs openly or just as fractions in the party. In my view Labour in recent history , and right up to Starmer's reign have said very little that has attracted the public. Alot of internal , inward looking discussion though.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 30, 2020 7:37:20 GMT
Wow. Fair to say there will be a few anoraks and "odd balls" at that event 😊 Think I'd rather eat my own dump.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Oct 30, 2020 7:42:16 GMT
Tell me (or almost any commentator) at any point of the last twenty years that a Labour leader like Corbyn syanding on that platform would get 12 million votes and I'd say it wouldnt happen. Or that someone calling themselves a democratic socialist could get to the last two in the primaries. There is a massive appetite for change. It happens to be coinciding with a leveraging of nationalism to counter the inevitable coming together of the global population. Your obituary for the left is understandable on a heady day for you. NZ. Bolivia. Chile. Trump? Netenhayu is still manipulating power but Israel is losing support. There are many signs that it's not all going the way of the nationlist/ garrison state agenda. Let's see how it pans out. That's all could have, should have, would have bollux though isn't it, he won fuck all. Last year Stoke on Trent like countless other never before voted Tory, areas went Blue, for the first time since records began. Stoke FFS, who the fuck would have thought could happen? Corbyn, and momentum have absolutely destroyed the Labour Party! Do you think the average working class man gives a flying fuck about Palestine or most of the other fights he picked, Whatever You, huddy, prestwich, mom oand the rest of the gang think the rest of the country don't agree with you and look what we are left with. Shame on you you selfish bastards! This is what you voted for! I'm in no gang. And I dont patronise any group of people as though they all think one way. There are plenty of working class people that care about injustice. South Africa would still be an apartheid state were it not for selfish people in the international community giving a shit. However, I doubt there were many who made their decisions in the last election, or any election based solely on these issues. As I stated in another post, 2017 was the only election this side of 97 that the Labour vote went up in the red wall. It's a stretch to blame Palestine for that.
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Post by zerps on Oct 30, 2020 7:48:22 GMT
Enjoy 😂
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Post by ColonelMustard on Oct 30, 2020 7:53:26 GMT
I had stopped my Labour dd but not formally resigned as a member. So I went through my emails today and voted for the leftwing grassroots slate on the NEC elections. Fuck Starmer. Freedom for Palestine. Who gives a shit about Palestine? We're facing a national crisis here. Let Palestine worry about Palestine. There are a lot of people who give a shit about Palestine. Not least its people living under military occupation and gross injustice. There is a Palestinian man who has been on hunger strike for 90 days to oppose the Israeli policy if administrative detention. Ie, imprisonment without charge. He cares enough to die to oppose the gross injustice his countrymen are facing by a British allie. It's perfectly possible to care about others suffering injustice both within and outside of the country. I added freedom for Palestine to that post as it has relevance in an issue about the abuse of anti semitism.
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 30, 2020 7:54:39 GMT
Wow. Fair to say there will be a few anoraks and "odd balls" at that event 😊 Think I'd rather eat my own dump. I dont think social distancing will be an issue here......
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 30, 2020 7:58:21 GMT
I'm bothered about Palestine, a people subject to discrimination and " persecution ".( although its not that simple.ple)There are many injustices across the globe. The issue for me is whether Labour should have somehow allowed it to become a mainstream issue, to detract from its core purpose. The public don't see it as a priority.It has also served to emphasise the split in the party, whether that split now occurs openly or just as fractions in the party. In my view Labour in recent history , and right up to Starmer's reign have said very little that has attracted the public. Alot of internal , inward looking discussion though. Interestingly it was this time last year I was out there. I went to Jerusalem for the whole spiritual vibe thing and of course its unreal historical old town which I'd recommend to anyone. Also did a trip out to the Judean desert, dead sea etc which was pretty spectacular. But the tension with "Arabs" was so obvious towards the end of the trip I just thought fuck it and took the "Arab bus" (no Jews allowed) to the West Bank and specifically Bethlehem which was the main city nearby. Amazing experience. I thought Bethlehem would be this chilled, quiant, biblical town with cute donkeys and all the rest of it. The first thing that was obvious after getting past the wall (Banksy has done a big mural there) was that there was nothing quiant or biblical about it. This was a heavily Muslim dominated urban city with mosques, Arabic writing, graffiti, crumbling buildings and Palestinian flags at every corner. Very different to Jerusalem just 30 minutes drive away. Long story short I chucked a local cab driver some cash and got him to give me a tour which was all very interesting.. He was hospitable and his English was excellent. He gave me the run down on Israel and their treatment of Arabs (not all Israeli Arabs view themselves as Palestinian or indeed, Muslim). My conclusion after hearing both sides was that there was definitely a 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other vibe going on. There is no doubt in my mind that Palestine needs to form its own internationally recognised state (Kosovo did it) and the world can move on. Kids and innocent civilians on both sides of the wall are getting caught in the crossfire. Some of the radicalisation stuff Palestinian administration are doing is outrageous (brainwashing children to fight and hate Israel from the age of 5) while Israelis are doing the same thing. It's a shit situation where both sides have to take responsibility (I definitely don't buy into the "it's all Israel's fault" as that's painfully naive, there is much more to it that fuckwit Islington elites like Corbyn won't have a clue about) but there is no doubt it needs sorting, starting with recognition of the Palestinian state. Jerusalem is a minefield though, not quite sure you can have a capital of two countries, unless you corner off the Muslim quarter and give that to Palestine. I'm told Gaza is a different beast altogether and if I ventured in there id be shot dead within a couple of minutes ☺️
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 30, 2020 8:17:36 GMT
Man of principle is our Kier, same shit (just not as thick) in a posher suit.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 30, 2020 8:28:02 GMT
All he had to do is was accept the report. The stupid fucker couldn’t keep his mouth shut and had to have the last word with claims of “exaggerated”
All the report did really was to say there was a problem and accept these recommendations
He’s like that idiot who has to gob off to a copper who is letting someone off with a warning. Then gets pissed off when it gets upgraded to a ticket.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 30, 2020 8:28:26 GMT
Man of principle is our Kier, same shit (just not as thick) in a posher suit. According to the BBC article I read, it was Corbyn's statement and suggestion that the issue was exaggerated that led to his suspension. Given his statement was released after Starmer and Corbyn had their chat it does explain the change in decision (even if you don't agree with it). Personally I didn't think Corbyn's statement was particularly inaccurate. Clearly there was a problem within the Labour Party, but you'd have to be stupid to think there weren't people that also profitted from exaggerating the problem - it's politics and there is always an opponent looking to exaggerate a problem.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 30, 2020 8:30:43 GMT
Man of principle is our Kier, same shit (just not as thick) in a posher suit. According to the BBC article I read, it was Corbyn's statement and suggestion that the issue was exaggerated that led to his suspension. Given his statement was released after Starmer and Corbyn had their chat it does explain the change in decision (even if you don't agree with it). Personally I didn't think Corbyn's statement was particularly inaccurate. Clearly there was a problem within the Labour Party, but you'd have to be stupid to think there weren't people that also profitted from exaggerating the problem - it's politics and there is always an opponent looking to exaggerate a problem. So shut your mouth and don’t make things worse. Corbyn knew what he was doing he just couldn’t help himself
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Post by ColonelMustard on Oct 30, 2020 8:32:24 GMT
I'm bothered about Palestine, a people subject to discrimination and " persecution ".( although its not that simple.ple)There are many injustices across the globe. The issue for me is whether Labour should have somehow allowed it to become a mainstream issue, to detract from its core purpose. The public don't see it as a priority.It has also served to emphasise the split in the party, whether that split now occurs openly or just as fractions in the party. In my view Labour in recent history , and right up to Starmer's reign have said very little that has attracted the public. Alot of internal , inward looking discussion though. Interestingly it was this time last year I was out there. I went to Jerusalem for the whole spiritual vibe thing and of course its unreal historical old town which I'd recommend to anyone. Also did a trip out to the Judean desert, dead sea etc which was pretty spectacular. But the tension with "Arabs" was so obvious towards the end of the trip I just thought fuck it and took the "Arab bus" (no Jews allowed) to the West Bank and specifically Bethlehem which was the main city nearby. Amazing experience. I thought Bethlehem would be this chilled, quiant, biblical town with cute donkeys and all the rest of it. The first thing that was obvious after getting past the wall (Banksy has done a big mural there) was that there was nothing quiant or biblical about it. This was a heavily Muslim dominated urban city with mosques, Arabic writing, graffiti, crumbling buildings and Palestinian flags at every corner. Very different to Jerusalem just 30 minutes drive away. Long story short I chucked a local cab driver some cash and got him to give me a tour which was all very interesting.. He was hospitable and his English was excellent. He gave me the run down on Israel and their treatment of Arabs (not all Israeli Arabs view themselves as Palestinian or indeed, Muslim). My conclusion after hearing both sides was that there was definitely a 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other vibe going on. There is no doubt in my mind that Palestine needs to form its own internationally recognised state (Kosovo did it) and the world can move on. Kids and innocent civilians on both sides of the wall are getting caught in the crossfire. Some of the radicalisation stuff Palestinian administration are doing is outrageous (brainwashing children to fight and hate Israel from the age of 5) while Israelis are doing the same thing. It's a shit situation where both sides have to take responsibility (I definitely don't buy into the "it's all Israel's fault" as that's painfully naive, there is much more to it that fuckwit Islington elites like Corbyn won't have a clue about) but there is no doubt it needs sorting, starting with recognition of the Palestinian state. Jerusalem is a minefield though, not quite sure you can have a capital of two countries, unless you corner off the Muslim quarter and give that to Palestine. I'm told Gaza is a different beast altogether and if I ventured in there id be shot dead within a couple of minutes ☺️ In the West Bank the biggest problem is the settlers and the constant land theft. The settlers are essentially above the law and Palestinians are under military law. Barely a day goes past without settler violence, or chopping down of olive trees etc. This on top of the fact the wall is not built along the 67 or 48 lines but is built to go around land and resources the Israelis wanted. Its an impossible situation. If the settlements had stopped when they were supposed to at the time of Oslo, I really things could be quite different. But they ever growing settlements just indicate to Palestinians there is no intent to allow them a state. And there isnt. The policies regarding jerusalem are similar. The way Palestinians with Jerusalem ID have to jump through endless hoops just to keep that id, and if they lose it, they cant get it back (in fact they'll be lucky to get a pass to even visit jeruselam) is something people know little about but again creates a feeling of Israel being profoundly disingenuous. Alomg with demolition of palestinian homes, its the steady israelification of Jerusalem. Fair play to you for venturing into the west bank, most dont. And it's well worth it even for a day or two. I'd point out that about of 20% palestinians are Christian (and their bible is written in arabic) and most of these are down the south. The muslim and christian communities live peacefully together and are united in opposition to the military occupation by the Israelis.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 30, 2020 8:45:51 GMT
According to the BBC article I read, it was Corbyn's statement and suggestion that the issue was exaggerated that led to his suspension. Given his statement was released after Starmer and Corbyn had their chat it does explain the change in decision (even if you don't agree with it). Personally I didn't think Corbyn's statement was particularly inaccurate. Clearly there was a problem within the Labour Party, but you'd have to be stupid to think there weren't people that also profitted from exaggerating the problem - it's politics and there is always an opponent looking to exaggerate a problem. So shut your mouth and don’t make things worse. Corbyn knew what he was doing he just couldn’t help himself Clearly Starmer and/or the Labour disciplinary board (depending on who you believe made the decision) agree with you.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 30, 2020 8:46:23 GMT
All he had to do is was accept the report. The stupid fucker couldn’t keep his mouth shut and had to have the last word with claims of “exaggerated” All the report did really was to say there was a problem and accept these recommendations He’s like that idiot who has to gob off to a copper who is letting someone off with a warning. Then gets pissed off when it gets upgraded to a ticket. Ken Livingstone on talk radio just mentioned Hitler a few times, report is a con, it was just the elite who didnt want to pay more taxes, pressed on the labour mps who left due to racism said it just a handful, when asked what he'd say if it was a handful of black mps leaving due to racism oh thats different that would be real racism, fucking hell not just a car crash a motorway pile up but the thing is that is pretty much Corbyn's and a couple of posters on this thread's view too, scary.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 30, 2020 8:51:38 GMT
Interestingly it was this time last year I was out there. I went to Jerusalem for the whole spiritual vibe thing and of course its unreal historical old town which I'd recommend to anyone. Also did a trip out to the Judean desert, dead sea etc which was pretty spectacular. But the tension with "Arabs" was so obvious towards the end of the trip I just thought fuck it and took the "Arab bus" (no Jews allowed) to the West Bank and specifically Bethlehem which was the main city nearby. Amazing experience. I thought Bethlehem would be this chilled, quiant, biblical town with cute donkeys and all the rest of it. The first thing that was obvious after getting past the wall (Banksy has done a big mural there) was that there was nothing quiant or biblical about it. This was a heavily Muslim dominated urban city with mosques, Arabic writing, graffiti, crumbling buildings and Palestinian flags at every corner. Very different to Jerusalem just 30 minutes drive away. Long story short I chucked a local cab driver some cash and got him to give me a tour which was all very interesting.. He was hospitable and his English was excellent. He gave me the run down on Israel and their treatment of Arabs (not all Israeli Arabs view themselves as Palestinian or indeed, Muslim). My conclusion after hearing both sides was that there was definitely a 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other vibe going on. There is no doubt in my mind that Palestine needs to form its own internationally recognised state (Kosovo did it) and the world can move on. Kids and innocent civilians on both sides of the wall are getting caught in the crossfire. Some of the radicalisation stuff Palestinian administration are doing is outrageous (brainwashing children to fight and hate Israel from the age of 5) while Israelis are doing the same thing. It's a shit situation where both sides have to take responsibility (I definitely don't buy into the "it's all Israel's fault" as that's painfully naive, there is much more to it that fuckwit Islington elites like Corbyn won't have a clue about) but there is no doubt it needs sorting, starting with recognition of the Palestinian state. Jerusalem is a minefield though, not quite sure you can have a capital of two countries, unless you corner off the Muslim quarter and give that to Palestine. I'm told Gaza is a different beast altogether and if I ventured in there id be shot dead within a couple of minutes ☺️ In the West Bank the biggest problem is the settlers and the constant land theft. The settlers are essentially above the law and Palestinians are under military law. Barely a day goes past without settler violence, or chopping down of olive trees etc. This on top of the fact the wall is not built along the 67 or 48 lines but is built to go around land and resources the Israelis wanted. Its an impossible situation. If the settlements had stopped when they were supposed to at the time of Oslo, I really things could be quite different. But they ever growing settlements just indicate to Palestinians there is no intent to allow them a state. And there isnt. The policies regarding jerusalem are similar. The way Palestinians with Jerusalem ID have to jump through endless hoops just to keep that id, and if they lose it, they cant get it back (in fact they'll be lucky to get a pass to even visit jeruselam) is something people know little about but again creates a feeling of Israel being profoundly disingenuous. Alomg with demolition of palestinian homes, its the steady israelification of Jerusalem. Fair play to you for venturing into the west bank, most dont. And it's well worth it even for a day or two. I'd point out that about of 20% palestinians are Christian (and their bible is written in arabic) and most of these are down the south. The muslim and christian communities live peacefully together and are united in opposition to the military occupation by the Israelis. Yeah all fair points, it was certainly an interesting experience. I didnt like the whole "animals in a cage" feel at all and the international community does need to sort it. But at the same time we can't forget that there are some outwright evil leaders and influences on the Palestine side of the wall too. Re religion, maybe it was just Bethlehem but it definitely felt very Islamic both in architecture and public feeling... Only thing I would say is that I do think Christian Arabs have been marginalised in Palestine but hey. That's more to do with Islam as a religion than Palestinian malice. End of the day, the conflict can't just keep getting swept under the carpet and the international community need to sort it if Israel won't.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 30, 2020 8:52:24 GMT
Man of principle is our Kier, same shit (just not as thick) in a posher suit. According to the BBC article I read, it was Corbyn's statement and suggestion that the issue was exaggerated that led to his suspension. Given his statement was released after Starmer and Corbyn had their chat it does explain the change in decision (even if you don't agree with it). Personally I didn't think Corbyn's statement was particularly inaccurate. Clearly there was a problem within the Labour Party, but you'd have to be stupid to think there weren't people that also profitted from exaggerating the problem - it's politics and there is always an opponent looking to exaggerate a problem. Yeah just listen to what Berger and Smeeth had to say about needing protection and not being able to use public transport on their own to see how they really benefitted.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 30, 2020 8:54:47 GMT
According to the BBC article I read, it was Corbyn's statement and suggestion that the issue was exaggerated that led to his suspension. Given his statement was released after Starmer and Corbyn had their chat it does explain the change in decision (even if you don't agree with it). Personally I didn't think Corbyn's statement was particularly inaccurate. Clearly there was a problem within the Labour Party, but you'd have to be stupid to think there weren't people that also profitted from exaggerating the problem - it's politics and there is always an opponent looking to exaggerate a problem. Yeah just listen to what Berger and Smeeth had to say about needing protection and not being able to use public transport on their own to see how they really benefitted. Maybe they weren't exaggerating - as I said, there was clearly a problem.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 30, 2020 8:58:56 GMT
Probably the right time to point out to the slavering right wingers, the Daily Mail sheep and the child hunger fans that yesterday's report made no findings whatsoever against Jermey Corbyn.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 30, 2020 9:03:57 GMT
All he had to do is was accept the report. The stupid fucker couldn’t keep his mouth shut and had to have the last word with claims of “exaggerated” All the report did really was to say there was a problem and accept these recommendations He’s like that idiot who has to gob off to a copper who is letting someone off with a warning. Then gets pissed off when it gets upgraded to a ticket. Agreed. Probably did it partly to try to make himself look better and partly to make life harder for Starmer. There's little ex-leaders like more than chucking a few curve-balls towards their replacements! I don't think Starmer will be too worried about this, nor McCluskey's response. If he wanted an opportunity to distance himself from the previous regime and show how Labour will be moving in a different direction under him, this is it. To the ordinary layman, not that interested in politics unlike us, it'll be seen as getting rid of a problem that dogged the Labour Party for years and removing Corbyn's influence from Starmer's Labour Party.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 30, 2020 9:13:46 GMT
All he had to do is was accept the report. The stupid fucker couldn’t keep his mouth shut and had to have the last word with claims of “exaggerated” All the report did really was to say there was a problem and accept these recommendations He’s like that idiot who has to gob off to a copper who is letting someone off with a warning. Then gets pissed off when it gets upgraded to a ticket. Agreed. Probably did it partly to try to make himself look better and partly to make life harder for Starmer. There's little ex-leaders like more than chucking a few curve-balls towards their replacements! I don't think Starmer will be too worried about this, nor McCluskey's response. If he wanted an opportunity to distance himself from the previous regime and show how Labour will be moving in a different direction under him, this is it. To the ordinary layman, not that interested in politics unlike us, it'll be seen as getting rid of a problem that dogged the Labour Party for years and removing Corbyn's influence from Starmer's Labour Party. Why should he accept the right wing media narrative? The report was actually a massive disappointment to most Zionists and it's findings nowhere near what they wanted or expected but the media narrative went full steam ahead and responded to what they wanted the report to say, not what it said. People really need to dig deeper than the right wing filthy rags that shame this country.
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Post by chad on Oct 30, 2020 9:15:46 GMT
Wow. Fair to say there will be a few anoraks and "odd balls" at that event 😊 Think I'd rather eat my own dump. Starmers got rid of Corbyn now if he could get rid of that shower of shit as well he may yet make Labour an electable party
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 30, 2020 9:16:18 GMT
Probably the right time to point out to the slavering right wingers, the Daily Mail sheep and the child hunger fans that yesterday's report made no findings whatsoever against Jermey Corbyn. 😂Child hunger fans. Because the UK has this massive issue with children starving to death! We make Sudan, Mali and Niger look like first world countries!! On a serious note, I think a lot of these "our children are starving" wokesters need to go and see an actual third world country and see real hunger for what it is. Child hunger is at its absolute worst, absolutely negligible in the UK. And in these incredibly rare situations where a mother cannot feed their child, they need to take a serious look at what they are doing with the money they do have. Feeding your child comes before anything... Even before that 20 pack of Benson and Hedges, bottle of Tesco wine or £50 a month sky bill.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Oct 30, 2020 9:22:08 GMT
Agreed. Probably did it partly to try to make himself look better and partly to make life harder for Starmer. There's little ex-leaders like more than chucking a few curve-balls towards their replacements! I don't think Starmer will be too worried about this, nor McCluskey's response. If he wanted an opportunity to distance himself from the previous regime and show how Labour will be moving in a different direction under him, this is it. To the ordinary layman, not that interested in politics unlike us, it'll be seen as getting rid of a problem that dogged the Labour Party for years and removing Corbyn's influence from Starmer's Labour Party. Why should he accept the right wing media narrative? The report was actually a massive disappointment to most Zionists and it's findings nowhere near what they wanted or expected but the media narrative went full steam ahead and responded to what they wanted the report to say, not what it said. People really need to dig deeper than the right wing filthy rags that shame this country. Exactly. Labour Party not institutionally anti semitic, the NEC in 2018 was willfully slow to process claims but this improved when NEC changed. Corbyn not antinsemitic. This would have been a big disappointment and all shone a spotlight on how it was all covered. So... Create as much noise as possible to focus on what they wanted highlighting. Its just business as usual. I was actually impressed at how relatively independent the report was. And gives me some tiny shred hope for ideas of truth and justice in this country. Even if my faith in politics and media has never been lower.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 30, 2020 9:22:46 GMT
Probably the right time to point out to the slavering right wingers, the Daily Mail sheep and the child hunger fans that yesterday's report made no findings whatsoever against Jermey Corbyn. Feeding your child comes before anything... Even before that 20 pack of Benson and Hedges, bottle of Tesco wine or £50 a month sky bill. Yes that is most Tory supporters and Tory MP's grip on the situation Some facts and figures for you but I guess they must all be drink sodden, chain smoking crack addicts eh? www.thegrocer.co.uk/community/how-prevalent-is-child-hunger-in-the-uk-and-what-can-be-done-about-it/648080.article
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 30, 2020 9:24:32 GMT
Wow. Fair to say there will be a few anoraks and "odd balls" at that event 😊 Think I'd rather eat my own dump. Starmers got rid of Corbyn now if he could get rid of that shower of shit as well he may yet make Labour an electable party There are still far too many lunatics and champagne socialists around him to even consider making Labour electable, even if Starmer appears mildly sensible. He needs to now stop with his absurd "more lock down" and "money grows on trees" approach because that will destroy any credibility he's gained by fucking Corbyn and Long Bailey off. The North will get utterly obliterated by more national lockdowns so he needs to take a different stance on that and encourage economical progress while not patronisingly encouraging "firebreaks" that will destroy small businesses while he picks up his six figure salary for a guaranteed four years.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 30, 2020 9:26:16 GMT
Agreed. Probably did it partly to try to make himself look better and partly to make life harder for Starmer. There's little ex-leaders like more than chucking a few curve-balls towards their replacements! I don't think Starmer will be too worried about this, nor McCluskey's response. If he wanted an opportunity to distance himself from the previous regime and show how Labour will be moving in a different direction under him, this is it. To the ordinary layman, not that interested in politics unlike us, it'll be seen as getting rid of a problem that dogged the Labour Party for years and removing Corbyn's influence from Starmer's Labour Party. Why should he accept the right wing media narrative? The report was actually a massive disappointment to most Zionists and it's findings nowhere near what they wanted or expected but the media narrative went full steam ahead and responded to what they wanted the report to say, not what it said. People really need to dig deeper than the right wing filthy rags that shame this country. Compare and contrast from the EHRC report, not the filthy right wing rags: Our investigation has identified serious failings in leadership and an inadequate process for handling antisemitism complaints across the Labour Party, and we have identified multiple failures in the systems it uses to resolve them. We have concluded that there were unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination for which the Labour Party [and by default its Leadership] is responsible. While there have been some recent improvements in how the Labour Party deals with antisemitism complaints, our analysis points to a culture within the Party which, at best, did not do enough to prevent antisemitism and, at worst, could be seen to accept it.Then: ‘The principle of what I want to achieve is clear: if you are anti-Semitic, you cannot and should not be in the Labour Party. No ifs, no buts’ (see Evening Standard, 7 April 2020, ‘Keir Starmer: I apologise to the Jewish community – rebuilding your trust starts now’).The new leadership under Sir Keir Starmer has already publicly committed to implementing our recommendations in full. It must now put this into practice. The recommendations are clear, fair and achievable. They will help the Labour Party to make positive change in its policies, processes and culture, to benefit all of its members, and to rebuild trust among the Jewish community and the wider public.Seems pretty straightforward to me, there was a problem (as if we didn't know) and the old Leadership didn't do anywhere near enough to tackle it, so far the new Leadership is moving appropriately to deal with it. If you want a Party which will do more for ordinary people than the Tories will ever do (as the free school meals scandal proves only too easily) but, just as importantly, actually stands a chance of putting those policies into effect, this is a good first step in presenting a Party which fulfils both of those important characteristics.
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