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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 8, 2019 15:21:25 GMT
Not if your Burnley they’ve had two decent full backs off us for bobbins
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 8, 2019 15:22:22 GMT
Contracted for only one more season. Clearly surplus to requirements £3 million actually is a good fee if we have got it. we are absolute mugs when it comes to transfers. if it was 6/7m i'd say fair enough in this day and age. 3m is still far too low. I'm sure Scholes realises this is low, as didn't we pay 12m for Berahino with 5 months left on his contract!? Most on here would not want him anywhere near our fantastic lower mid championship team, but you expect someone else to pay 7 M for him???
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 8, 2019 15:26:21 GMT
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Post by neilb987 on Jul 8, 2019 15:28:14 GMT
Farewell and good luck, Erik. Good pro, not the best but far from the worst.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jul 8, 2019 15:28:47 GMT
Best of luck to him and thanks for all his service since he arrived. I see Eric's career at Stoke in two halves: He arrived as Hughes first signing filling the void at LB and being a major contributor to Stoke achieving three 9th places. He was a very sound defender but lacking going forward. Had he been any better he would not have been at Stoke. He signed a contract extension 4 years ago and that seemed to trigger his and Stoke's demise. Maybe giving him a contract for 5 years to 2020 caused him to relax and lose his "hunger", plus he had lack of competition for his place. He immediately hit a poor run of form, but did recover and played well regularly but not consistently. The opposite side FBs were probably more culpable than him but all our defenders were guilty for the numerous 4 goal defeats. His form under Rowett left a lot to be desired, particularly the first couple of months. Despite protestions by some I think Jones was right to start the rebuild process as soon as he arrived, letting go and stopping using older players, even if results did not improve. By August 2020 we will have virtually a completely new squad and will be well set for promotion in 2021. I’ll go with the some of your sentiments. However being “set for promotion in 2021” IMHO is acceptance that 2nd best is some form of success. My sights are firmly set on May 2020, if promotion is not attained it will be continued failure (unless significant injuries play a part). That’s not saying that we have the god given right, it’s saying we have the resources available to do it.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 8, 2019 15:43:58 GMT
Some on here would find something to moan about if they won the lottery. At least we're finally shifting some players out. But not the worse ones !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 15:46:28 GMT
The one he picked every week for 23 games. He made some controversial choices, so of course what we saw was the Jones team every time! So out of interest, what do you expect Jones' first choice team to look like? I posted that in the last thread on that theme. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/288688/stoke-lineup-19-20It was exactly what you're asking for: the team I expect Jones to pick, not the team I hope he will pick.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 15:47:46 GMT
The one he picked every week for 23 games. He made some controversial choices, so of course what we saw was the Jones team every time! It wasn't though was it, it was a group of players already here, already failing. Are you saying that Jones did not pick the team in his first four months here?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 15:53:32 GMT
He's a very polite and positive person, but he does slip in a little criticism, which is fair. Because the way he was treated in his last six months here was most certainly " not nice"; indeed it was disrespectful, and just another display of Jones' need to come out as a Machiavellian acteur.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 8, 2019 16:06:25 GMT
Interesting. So you do think he'll pick the new players then? But not £9m Sam Vokes?
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Post by kelw on Jul 8, 2019 16:12:01 GMT
we are absolute mugs when it comes to transfers. if it was 6/7m i'd say fair enough in this day and age. 3m is still far too low. I'm sure Scholes realises this is low, as didn't we pay 12m for Berahino with 5 months left on his contract!? Most on here would not want him anywhere near our fantastic lower mid championship team, but you expect someone else to pay 7 M for him??? We obviously had to fight of those huge bids for him but ended up accepting a fee a lot less and getting £2.5 million a year or so off the wage bill. All this talk of getting rid of wages and dead wood now some moaning about a player so many never had the time of day for and obviously didn't feature in the manager's plans in any way at all. Strange when we sell a player how he suddenly turns into a quality footballer . I liked Pieters but time to move on and good luck to him
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 8, 2019 16:28:03 GMT
One year left, clearly out of favour, 30 - even I would find it hard to suggest more than 2m for him. If it is 1/1.5m, I would not be that surprised. Mings for 20m has got people foaming at the mouth, but remember we got Lindsay, way younger and with great potential, for only 2m. Yep, but even if we turned Lindsay into the next Bobby Moore the fucktards in our transfer team would only manage to get a bit more than what we paid for him.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 8, 2019 16:33:00 GMT
We paid 6m for McClean. But are willing to sell Bojan and Pieters for 1m a piece. We do really get the piss taken out of us when it comes to transfers Exactly, and mcclean also had a year left at wba, about the same age as Pieters?
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Post by kelw on Jul 8, 2019 16:39:19 GMT
We paid 6m for McClean. But are willing to sell Bojan and Pieters for 1m a piece. We do really get the piss taken out of us when it comes to transfers Exactly, and mcclean also had a year left at wba, about the same age as Pieters? So we should have held on to a player we loaned out last year and continued to pay him?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 8, 2019 16:40:53 GMT
Exactly, and mcclean also had a year left at wba, about the same age as Pieters? So we should have held on to a player we loaned out last year and continued to pay him? No, we shouldn't have paid what we did for mcclean, that was a ridiculous fee
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 16:42:26 GMT
We paid 6m for McClean. But are willing to sell Bojan and Pieters for 1m a piece. We do really get the piss taken out of us when it comes to transfers Exactly, and mcclean also had a year left at wba, about the same age as Pieters? Difference is the two purchasing managers. One is a quite cute achiever and the other is a complete moron who had the keys to the pick and mix.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 8, 2019 17:28:41 GMT
Exactly, and mcclean also had a year left at wba, about the same age as Pieters? Difference is the two purchasing managers. One is a quite cute achiever and the other is a complete moron who had the keys to the pick and mix. And his parents wouldn't say no you can't keep buying shit
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Post by kelw on Jul 8, 2019 17:50:09 GMT
So we should have held on to a player we loaned out last year and continued to pay him? No, we shouldn't have paid what we did for mcclean, that was a ridiculous fee McClean isn't relevant to clearing out Premier League fringe players on big wages. Maybe one day will be a thread where he isn't brought into it. If we'd released Pieters by mutual consent I would have half understood what the club was doing as not in our plans. The McClean thing was tiresome last year.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 8, 2019 17:54:16 GMT
No, we shouldn't have paid what we did for mcclean, that was a ridiculous fee McClean isn't relevant to clearing out Premier League fringe players on big wages. Maybe one day will be a thread where he isn't brought into it. If we'd released Pieters by mutual consent I would have half understood what the club was doing as not in our plans. The McClean thing was tiresome last year. It's relevant because it looks as if McClean could very well be playing in the same position as Pieters. If you can't see that, I can't help you.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 8, 2019 17:58:23 GMT
Not if your Burnley they’ve had two decent full backs off us for bobbins Indeed. I was never a big Bardo fan but actually he was ok for us. Much better than Johnson. But Hughes kept the wrong one. Maddening.
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Post by melbournestokie21 on Jul 8, 2019 18:08:10 GMT
Not if your Burnley they’ve had two decent full backs off us for bobbins Indeed. I was never a big Bardo fan but actually he was ok for us. Much better than Johnson. But Hughes kept the wrong one. Maddening. To be fair at the time I think Johnson was probably the better of the two, just turned to shit much much quicker than expected
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Post by kelw on Jul 8, 2019 18:08:48 GMT
we are absolute mugs when it comes to transfers. if it was 6/7m i'd say fair enough in this day and age. 3m is still far too low. I'm sure Scholes realises this is low, as didn't we pay 12m for Berahino with 5 months left on his contract!? Most on here would not want him anywhere near our fantastic lower mid championship team, but you expect someone else to pay 7 M for him??? So we should put a ridiculous price on his head that isn't going to happen and end up being stuck with him for at least another window?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 8, 2019 18:10:22 GMT
We paid 6m for McClean. But are willing to sell Bojan and Pieters for 1m a piece. We do really get the piss taken out of us when it comes to transfers Exactly, and mcclean also had a year left at wba, about the same age as Pieters? Pretty sure WBA also had an option of another year up their sleeves though, which makes a difference. And they knew there was a market for him because Rowett had been chasing him like a puppy since the January window. I'm not saying we didn't overpay though (although I think it was 5m rather than 6m, wasn't it?) Who is going to pay this bigger fee for Erik or Bojan, that's the question. It's whatever nominal fee we can get, a loan where we probably subsidise their wages if no-one takes him permanently in the next 3 weeks, or wallowing in the bomb squad for another season, isn't it? And buying clubs all know this, so we're screwed
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Post by tomcmod on Jul 8, 2019 18:12:43 GMT
Indeed. I was never a big Bardo fan but actually he was ok for us. Much better than Johnson. But Hughes kept the wrong one. Maddening. To be fair at the time I think Johnson was probably the better of the two, just turned to shit much much quicker than expected Nope, at the time it was a mistake. Noone could believe we had given Johnson another contract, he was garbage. Bardsley deserved one and you knew atleast you'd get effort and commitment.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 8, 2019 18:25:33 GMT
Exactly, and mcclean also had a year left at wba, about the same age as Pieters? Pretty sure WBA also had an option of another year up their sleeves though, which makes a difference. And they knew there was a market for him because Rowett had been chasing him like a puppy since the January window. I'm not saying we didn't overpay though (although I think it was 5m rather than 6m, wasn't it?) Who is going to pay this bigger fee for Erik or Bojan, that's the question. It's whatever nominal fee we can get, a loan where we probably subsidise their wages if no-one takes him permanently in the next 3 weeks, or wallowing in the bomb squad for another season, isn't it? And buying clubs all know this, so we're screwed I would agree with all of that and on the face of it yes, it makes sense, or it would make sense were it not for the fact we are left with only stephen ward and james mcclean for that position, the latter not being anywhere near as good a footballer as Pieters, and yet we pissed away 5-6 million on him, but ditched Pieters ruthlessly mid season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 8, 2019 18:25:41 GMT
Indeed. I was never a big Bardo fan but actually he was ok for us. Much better than Johnson. But Hughes kept the wrong one. Maddening. To be fair at the time I think Johnson was probably the better of the two, just turned to shit much much quicker than expected He really wasn’t. Johnson’s legs had gone by then.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 8, 2019 18:26:56 GMT
Exactly, and mcclean also had a year left at wba, about the same age as Pieters? Pretty sure WBA also had an option of another year up their sleeves though, which makes a difference. And they knew there was a market for him because Rowett had been chasing him like a puppy since the January window. I'm not saying we didn't overpay though (although I think it was 5m rather than 6m, wasn't it?) Who is going to pay this bigger fee for Erik or Bojan, that's the question. It's whatever nominal fee we can get, a loan where we probably subsidise their wages if no-one takes him permanently in the next 3 weeks, or wallowing in the bomb squad for another season, isn't it? And buying clubs all know this, so we're screwed Pieters is a seasoned Premier League player. We should have been able to get 2-3m for him easily. If we have only got a million, it’s absolutely pathetic.
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Post by Veritas on Jul 8, 2019 18:30:05 GMT
To be fair at the time I think Johnson was probably the better of the two, just turned to shit much much quicker than expected He really wasn’t. Johnson’s legs had gone by then. Bardsley was always a goal waiting to happen, how many times did he switch off and his man nip in to score? No one saw Johnson's rapid decline coming and while Hughes can rightly be slated for many things the Bardsley sale was only a clanger with the benefit of hindsight.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 8, 2019 18:32:10 GMT
He really wasn’t. Johnson’s legs had gone by then. Bardsley was always a goal waiting to happen, how many times did he switch off and his man nip in to score? No one saw Johnson's rapid decline coming and while Hughes can rightly be slated for many things the Bardsley sale was only a clanger with the benefit of hindsight. Hang on that’s bull. I was saying we should keep Bardo over Johnson. Johnson had long gone at this point, he had done after his first season! It was entirely predictable.
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 8, 2019 18:32:25 GMT
Most on here would not want him anywhere near our fantastic lower mid championship team, but you expect someone else to pay 7 M for him??? So we should put a ridiculous price on his head that isn't going to happen and end up being stuck with him for at least another window? I think we're saying the same thing, or did you mean to respond to a different post?
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