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Post by cousindupree on Jun 7, 2019 8:45:40 GMT
Attachment DeletedAttachment DeletedMet this dude at Mykonos baggage claim. Had a quick chat unfortunately can't throw anymore light on why he went to Amiens. Maintains no falling out with manager just am opportunity to play regularly and took it. 'Will you be at Stoke next season?'....'who knows,I love the club but its unlikely'. The wife said her and Erik would like to stay in the UK. Both very pleasant. So remains a mystery as to why Jones allowed him to go when we had no alternative. Surely he's a better option at LB than Clucas and the woeful McClean.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 7, 2019 8:49:03 GMT
Looks like we definitively cut ties with him in January. Couldn't get any more of a clear signal than that.
And, to be fair, he isn't a diamond full-back (although he obviously would have been a good bet for us last season as things turned out)
L'Equipe were reporting yesterday that Amiens are desperate to re-sign him and had offered him a 2-yr deal, but there was lots of rival interest in him in England and Holland
The Amiens has made a 2-year offer to Erik Pieters but the wage agreement is complex.
The Dutchman is also coveted by other English clubs and in his country.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 7, 2019 8:51:06 GMT
Extremely odd way to run a football club.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jun 7, 2019 9:12:54 GMT
Unlike many of our transfer dealings I understand why we'd want to move him on and get someone else in. He doesn't quite fit the role we need but it must be said that he started this season doing ok and I thought he was arguably the only player that improved from the season before. I feel he's probably a bit unlucky if it's been because he went out before because by all accounts others have been doing worse for longer.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jun 7, 2019 9:18:47 GMT
Dogshit way to treat a long serving player.
You can’t run a football club like it’s Bet365.
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Post by cousindupree on Jun 7, 2019 9:25:33 GMT
Dogshit way to treat a long serving player. You can’t run a football club like it’s Bet365. I agree that he was treated badly. Talking to him he seems a decent bloke and has no animosity towards the club. He said 'new manager new ideas thats football'. I hope he finds the club he wants.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jun 7, 2019 9:31:23 GMT
Solid championship left back. Should have kept him.
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Post by Gods on Jun 7, 2019 9:46:07 GMT
Something I've wondered for a while now.
Is there a maximum age limit on skinny, ripped jeans that come up 4 inches short of your ankles without being some kind of laughing stock?
I think I can carry off the ripped bit still and even the skinny part provided it's not too extreme but 4 inches of bare ankle I'd just feel very exposed and more than a little awkward !
I think it's somewhere around 22 or 23 maximum ?
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Post by scfc75 on Jun 7, 2019 9:52:03 GMT
Something I've wondered for a while now. Is there a maximum age limit on skinny, ripped jeans that come up 4 inches short of your ankles without being some kind of laughing stock? I think I can carry off the ripped bit still and even the skinny part provided it's not too extreme but 4 inches of bare ankle I'd just feel very exposed and more thsn a little awkward ! I think it's somewhere around 22 or 23 maximum ? I reckon when you’re athletic you can carry it off. Seeing a 40-something bloke in those, with a shirt clearly 2 sizes too small and his gut spewing over the top of his jeans is often a sight to behold.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 7, 2019 9:57:50 GMT
I think Eric is a victim of circumstance.
Jones came in with the clear intent of removing as many old players as possible and rebuilding with new players from the academy and bought in if possible.
He saw Martina as an obvious candidate and he had a ready replacement in Edwards. He had an opportunity to off-load Crouch, taking Vokes who he probably thought would be of more use but my guess he isn't in his long term plans. He stopped using other old players, and gave young players a chance.
In Eric's case there was someone prepared to take him so he let him go. In other cases like Fletcher and Adam there was no one wanting them, or in some cases like Williams, he could not risk letting them go without a replacement.
All just theorising, I'm not ITK.
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Post by nott1 on Jun 7, 2019 9:58:58 GMT
Dogshit way to treat a long serving player. You can’t run a football club like it’s Bet365. I agree that he was treated badly. Talking to him he seems a decent bloke and has no animosity towards the club. He said 'new manager new ideas thats football'. I hope he finds the club he wants. New manager with no clue!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 7, 2019 10:02:15 GMT
Dogshit way to treat a long serving player. You can’t run a football club like it’s Bet365. By letting him go and get games elsewhere, yeh proper cunts
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 7, 2019 10:17:34 GMT
I don't think Pieters has the attacking attributes required to fit into Jones' system long term, and this was ultimately to motive behind moving him on. But no doubt, some elements of his departure could have been handled a lot better.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 7, 2019 10:18:50 GMT
I don't think Pieters has the attacking attributes required to fit into Jones' system I think they were slightly better suited than Bruno's!
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Post by themistocles on Jun 7, 2019 10:28:32 GMT
100 % keep for me
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 7, 2019 10:33:30 GMT
Can only think he thought it'd be full steam ahead on the diamond from the start - with Tymon (who he had completely over-rated in his mind) and Clucas.
So he thought he could move him on, save a bit of cash on his wages, cut his squad down numbers-wise and move out a player who'd become disgruntled when he wasn't featuring.
Then he realised te diamond wasn't on, and had to go for a much more traditional defensive set-up.
And, as it turned out, Pieters would have been absolutely fine in the plan B he settled on.
But, long-term, Pieters wasn't remotely what he wanted, and we'd have been looking to move on now anyway as he's so un-diamondy - so it just happened 6 months earlier.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 7, 2019 10:37:53 GMT
Why all the conspiracy theories?
Jones wants to play wing backs.
Eric isn't a wing back.
Eric is given the opportunity to find a club where he can play regular football as a left back in a flat back 4.
Eric and Jones shake hands and Eric departs the club on amicable terms
This theory actually has the benefit of coinciding with Eric's own words rather than an interpretation of events that fits some warped agenda.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 10:51:40 GMT
Can only think he thought it'd be full steam ahead on the diamond from the start - with Tymon (who he had completely over-rated in his mind) and Clucas. So he thought he could move him on, save a bit of cash on his wages, cut his squad down numbers-wise and move out a player who'd become disgruntled when he wasn't featuring. Then he realised te diamond wasn't on, and had to go for a much more traditional defensive set-up. And, as it turned out, Pieters would have been absolutely fine in the plan B he settled on. But, long-term, Pieters wasn't remotely what he wanted, and we'd have been looking to move on now anyway as he's so un-diamondy - so it just happened 6 months earlier. Question is when Jones is moved on/moves himself on - and some people think this will be sooner rather than later tho I'd keep him - will the new manager need a proper lb? Someone like Pieters?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 10:53:14 GMT
Why all the conspiracy theories? Jones wants to play wing backs. Eric isn't a wing back. Eric is given the opportunity to find a club where he can play regular football as a left back in a flat back 4. Eric and Jones shake hands and Eric departs the club on amicable terms This theory actually has the benefit of coinciding with Eric's own words Doesn't "coincide" with his Sentinel interview a couple of weeks ago.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 7, 2019 11:04:13 GMT
Why all the conspiracy theories? Jones wants to play wing backs. Eric isn't a wing back. Eric is given the opportunity to find a club where he can play regular football as a left back in a flat back 4. Eric and Jones shake hands and Eric departs the club on amicable terms This theory actually has the benefit of coinciding with Eric's own words Doesn't "coincide" with his Sentinel interview a couple of weeks ago. Missed that - what did he say?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 7, 2019 11:06:51 GMT
Can only think he thought it'd be full steam ahead on the diamond from the start - with Tymon (who he had completely over-rated in his mind) and Clucas. So he thought he could move him on, save a bit of cash on his wages, cut his squad down numbers-wise and move out a player who'd become disgruntled when he wasn't featuring. Then he realised te diamond wasn't on, and had to go for a much more traditional defensive set-up. And, as it turned out, Pieters would have been absolutely fine in the plan B he settled on. But, long-term, Pieters wasn't remotely what he wanted, and we'd have been looking to move on now anyway as he's so un-diamondy - so it just happened 6 months earlier. Question is when Jones is moved on/moves himself on - and some people think this will be sooner rather than later tho I'd keep him - will the new manager need a proper lb? Someone like Pieters? So the club should keep a player who the manager doesn't need just in case they sack him? How the hell could any manager operate in that situation? We really are in X Files territory here....
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Post by lordb on Jun 7, 2019 11:08:03 GMT
We didn't really miss him did we? Even with Bruno or Clucas playing there wasn't a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 11:10:57 GMT
Why all the conspiracy theories? Jones wants to play wing backs. Eric isn't a wing back. Eric is given the opportunity to find a club where he can play regular football as a left back in a flat back 4. Eric and Jones shake hands and Eric departs the club on amicable terms This theory actually has the benefit of coinciding with Eric's own words rather than an interpretation of events that fits some warped agenda. Jones might want to play wingbacks but he doesn't/didn't have any and turned to Bruno and you've got to be an imbecile to rate him as a better option at left back than Pieters
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Post by lordb on Jun 7, 2019 11:14:56 GMT
Why all the conspiracy theories? Jones wants to play wing backs. Eric isn't a wing back. Eric is given the opportunity to find a club where he can play regular football as a left back in a flat back 4. Eric and Jones shake hands and Eric departs the club on amicable terms This theory actually has the benefit of coinciding with Eric's own words rather than an interpretation of events that fits some warped agenda. Jones might want to play wingbacks but he doesn't/didn't have any and turned to Bruno and you've got to be an imbecile to rate him as a better option at left back than Pieters And yet Bruno did just an accent job as Eric had been doing. Time for a new left back.
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Post by skip on Jun 7, 2019 11:58:32 GMT
Something I've wondered for a while now. Is there a maximum age limit on skinny, ripped jeans that come up 4 inches short of your ankles without being some kind of laughing stock? I think I can carry off the ripped bit still and even the skinny part provided it's not too extreme but 4 inches of bare ankle I'd just feel very exposed and more thsn a little awkward ! I think it's somewhere around 22 or 23 maximum ? It's a tricky sartorial debate. I like a jean cut Levis 511 slim not skinny style but always allow enough for either a rocker turn up or a slight ankle crumple but never ankle exposed. Yours, Gok Wan.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jun 7, 2019 12:20:41 GMT
Dogshit way to treat a long serving player. You can’t run a football club like it’s Bet365. By letting him go and get games elsewhere, yeh proper cunts It’s not that, it’s the nature of it, it appears we’ve completely cut off all contact with him which is poor form.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 7, 2019 12:42:43 GMT
Why all the conspiracy theories? Jones wants to play wing backs. Eric isn't a wing back. Eric is given the opportunity to find a club where he can play regular football as a left back in a flat back 4. Eric and Jones shake hands and Eric departs the club on amicable terms This theory actually has the benefit of coinciding with Eric's own words rather than an interpretation of events that fits some warped agenda. Jones might want to play wingbacks but he doesn't/didn't have any and turned to Bruno and you've got to be an imbecile to rate him as a better option at left back than Pieters Pieters is a better left back than Bruno and neither of them are wingbacks. Pieters appears to have had a conversation with Jones about his future, told Pieters that his long term plan was to play a wingback, they shook hands and Pieters moved on. We had no wingbacks and at the time Bruno had made no noises about moving on so he brought back Shawcross and played Bruno at left back. Bruno subsequently announced he wanted to go and Jones immediately dropped him. It would seem to me Jones has made it clear to all the players where he wants to take the team and is prepared to let go those that either don't fit in with the diamond or who don't want to be here. Neither Pieters nor Bruno are in his long term plans for left back. The fact that Pieters is a better (traditional) left back than Bruno is completely irrelevant.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 13:19:55 GMT
Question is when Jones is moved on/moves himself on - and some people think this will be sooner rather than later tho I'd keep him - will the new manager need a proper lb? Someone like Pieters? So the club should keep a player who the manager doesn't need just in case they sack him? How the hell could any manager operate in that situation? We really are in X Files territory here.... No they keep him signed but send him out on loan again. Lots of clubs on the continent do that, such as Real Madrid.
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Post by wuzza on Jun 7, 2019 13:23:14 GMT
Jones might want to play wingbacks but he doesn't/didn't have any and turned to Bruno and you've got to be an imbecile to rate him as a better option at left back than Pieters Pieters is a better left back than Bruno and neither of them are wingbacks. Pieters appears to have had a conversation with Jones about his future, told Pieters that his long term plan was to play a wingback, they shook hands and Pieters moved on. We had no wingbacks and at the time Bruno had made no noises about moving on so he brought back Shawcross and played Bruno at left back. Bruno subsequently announced he wanted to go and Jones immediately dropped him. It would seem to me Jones has made it clear to all the players where he wants to take the team and is prepared to let go those that either don't fit in with the diamond or who don't want to be here. Neither Pieters nor Bruno are in his long term plans for left back. The fact that Pieters is a better (traditional) left back than Bruno is completely irrelevant. Still odd though that Jones very quickly seemed willing to make tactical ‘compromises’ all over the shop in search of a result or two but let Erik go almost instantaneously. There we’re plenty of others who should have been in the ‘Out’ door queue before our only established left back.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 13:23:27 GMT
Doesn't "coincide" with his Sentinel interview a couple of weeks ago. Missed that - what did he say? He complained about the way he had been treated by the club, who hadn't shown him the courtesy of a single phone call while he was away, and pointed out that Jones had promised everybody a fair chance, yet Pieters barely got one.
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