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Post by tony1234 on May 12, 2019 11:36:07 GMT
I predict that if and when we do get back the Prem will no longer be the Prem, it won't include English football's biggest guns who will be off locking horns with Barca and Bayern in a European super league. Agree with this. Markets, in which products don't radically change, will continue to see power aggregated with the market leaders - unless the competition regulators step in (which i can't see they will given how FFP has gone). Can anyone really see the PL carrying on for 10 more years like it is? Then again, if money plays such as massive role, it leaves open the door for any club to get their own Sheik. Extrapolate today - can see today's top 6 being in a 2 tier European league of 14-16 clubs each, ending the season with a Rugby League style play off and Grand Final competition to replace today's Champions League. Effectively its a cartel. To sweeten it, the top 6 might field branded 'B' teams (equivalent to Castilla, say), in the English League OR they might be allowed to take ownership of today's struggling L1/L2 clubs, who become their B teams and feeder clubs. Can see Stoke in the top English league, with Derby, Forest, Wednesday, Leeds - there might even be a European competition for this level too, with the top clubs in other national leagues. The sickening thing will be the argument that might get used is that this will protect smaller clubs, and allow them to compete and make football more exciting. |
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Post by jebbstuart on May 12, 2019 13:42:59 GMT
we got to stop the rot and start looking forward to rebuilt from where we are now. it starts at the top we need fresh energy and start looking elsewhere than the same pond of UK based managers and players. we have to look at recruitment do we need the tiers of bods we have at present. No slim it down lets look for talent at all levels and ages have a scouting network who actually look at players not on video and match recordings. look at the utter crap we have signed without seeing them and they are still here or on loan, we need at least 3 years to get rid of the dross we got at present or just pay them up. People use to look at us as a benchmark for staying in the premier league now we have to look at Wolves, Watford, Leicester,Palace, bournemoth etc.
Lets stop feeling sorry for ourselves we are not a big name or a prize to draw in a cup. we are a middle sized club with a stadium we could just about fill every week that's it. we have to compete with the Watford's, palace's for players at best. we got to put on the pitch players we know will give 100%, we have had players last season who did not give a toss. i will give this manager the summer and see what we got after that, he cant undo the last 3-4 years mal-administration but we got to at least had a plan and a style of play to tackle next season. lets have a go at the play offs as a minimum and anything else is a bonus.
we got to start now or we fall further and further behind the last of the parashute payments have got to used wisely or we are in trouble.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 12, 2019 14:41:37 GMT
we got to stop the rot and start looking forward to rebuilt from where we are now. it starts at the top we need fresh energy and start looking elsewhere than the same pond of UK based managers and players. we have to look at recruitment do we need the tiers of bods we have at present. No slim it down lets look for talent at all levels and ages have a scouting network who actually look at players not on video and match recordings. look at the utter crap we have signed without seeing them and they are still here or on loan, we need at least 3 years to get rid of the dross we got at present or just pay them up. People use to look at us as a benchmark for staying in the premier league now we have to look at Wolves, Watford, Leicester,Palace, bournemoth etc. Lets stop feeling sorry for ourselves we are not a big name or a prize to draw in a cup. we are a middle sized club with a stadium we could just about fill every week that's it. we have to compete with the Watford's, palace's for players at best. we got to put on the pitch players we know will give 100%, we have had players last season who did not give a toss. i will give this manager the summer and see what we got after that, he cant undo the last 3-4 years mal-administration but we got to at least had a plan and a style of play to tackle next season. lets have a go at the play offs as a minimum and anything else is a bonus. we got to start now or we fall further and further behind the last of the parashute payments have got to used wisely or we are in trouble. A lot of what you say is correct - except the reality is we can't compete with Watford and Palace while we are in the Championship. If a player has a choice between us and Palace or Watford they will go to Palace or Watford every time. Also if we try to compete financially with Watford or Palace we will fall foal of FFP and get a points deduction like Birmingham. Its scary how many posters think we can buy our way out this league and that the fact we were in the Premier League for 10 years counts for something. We can't and it doesn't. The only way we are going to get out of this league is to recognise we are a Championship club and will have to earn promotion by building a team capable of promotion with players who individually aren't Premiership quality. If (hopefully when) we get promoted we will be in a position to attract Premiership quality players - and if we survive a couple of season start to compete once more with the likes of Palace and Watford (assuming they are still up there). This isn't "poor little Stoke". This is recognising Stoke are in the Championship - along with other minnows of the game like Leeds, Villa, West Brom, Derby, Sheffield Wednesday..... |
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Post by stokiejoe on May 12, 2019 15:01:19 GMT
Personally I reckon we will be in the play offs at least next season. Not because we buy our way out or because we were a PL side, because we have a man with a plan.
Jones has already planned each day of close season training, identified who he wants to keep and who to buy. We have spent the years since Pulis left (and I was happy to see him go) without an identity and a plan. We got limited success with Hughes for three seasons but perhaps without realising it at the time lost our way and our identity.
Pulis had a plan, didn't like it but for years it worked, Jones has a plan that will be great if it works and I am optimistic that it will.
Hostage to fortune of course but that is how I feel.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 16:36:47 GMT
I think we'll most probably just miss out on the play offs next season, but will either get automatic promotion, or win via the play offs the following season.
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 12, 2019 16:37:45 GMT
A decade in the wilderness....
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Post by nott1 on May 12, 2019 18:00:43 GMT
As above.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on May 12, 2019 18:05:07 GMT
I think we'll most probably just miss out on the play offs next season, but will either get automatic promotion, or win via the play offs the following season. Agreed, and that's fine by me. My biggest worry is the fans won't accept anything less than us romping the league next season. People seem to think it's our God-given right as we've endured a shit season this time round. It simply won't happen. |
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Post by harrysburrow on May 12, 2019 18:09:26 GMT
Impossible to say as we're now in a completely different place. We've gone from being relegated and keeping a bunch of our 'Prem' players, to the prospect of a Millwall forward who cut his teeth at Halifax and replacing Butland with the Barnsley keeper. Some on here have gone from saying why are we after Matt Ritche, to why would Matt Ritchie come here? In Nathan Jobes we have to trust.
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Post by harrysburrow on May 12, 2019 18:12:40 GMT
I think we'll most probably just miss out on the play offs next season, but will either get automatic promotion, or win via the play offs the following season. Agreed, and that's fine by me. My biggest worry is the fans won't accept anything less than us romping the league next season. People seem to think it's our God-given right as we've endured a shit season this time round. It simply won't happen. Don't think anyone with half a brain cell thinks we've got a God-given right to anything anymore mate? We can't even score penalties. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 18:15:55 GMT
I cant see a quick return myself. I honestly think we've more chance of going down than going up next season. Some teams spend years and years stuck in this quagmire of a division. I think we might be looking 5 or 6 years yet minimum. Just hope it's not longer. When you finish your season in the bottom third, after being thereabouts since the most recent manager was appointed, then there's a pretty good chance you'll be there the season after, and with no Rowett cushion to fall back upon, this is where it gets risky and you need the board to stand by their own decisions. Still we appear to have chosen the path of slowly rebuilding with time and space to do some wrong, but mostly using the time to get it right, then we could add about five players each transfer window, then it should take NJ 2-3 to get the players he wants and get rid of those he was bequeathed, then another 2 years for the manager to instill everyone in the team/squad to exactly know what the manager wants of each individual, and for everyone to know what everyone else should do to. Very clumsily described, I admit. So that's a minimum of 3-5 years before everything falls in to place. We might get promoted after three years, but we'd better not, because we won't be ready and will likely come down straight away. So give it five. |
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Post by swampySCFC on May 12, 2019 22:39:42 GMT
Cant see us competing with what we have and what we are likely to get
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Post by Dr Hesham on May 13, 2019 3:54:38 GMT
If Coates family want Stoke to qualify, Stoke will qualify, but do they?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 4:48:31 GMT
I thought at the beginning of this season we would be nowhere near the top six. We had an unbalanced squad, a losing culture, a manager without a killer instinct and a few other issues that didn't feel quite right.
Our manager has a better killer instinct now, but we'll have to see what happens to the squad, which won 12 of 50 games this season. Three or four smart signings, moving on the deadbeats and excess (regardless of the financial loss) and getting a good start to next season is crucial. In fact it's crucial for any season and we haven't done this for years.
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Post by kustokie on May 13, 2019 5:52:08 GMT
I predict that if and when we do get back the Prem will no longer be the Prem, it won't include English football's biggest guns who will be off locking horns with Barca and Bayern in a European super league. I agree. I have been saying that for a while. It’s only a matter of time. |
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Post by kustokie on May 13, 2019 5:56:41 GMT
Personally I reckon we will be in the play offs at least next season. Not because we buy our way out or because we were a PL side, because we have a man with a plan. Jones has already planned each day of close season training, identified who he wants to keep and who to buy. We have spent the years since Pulis left (and I was happy to see him go) without an identity and a plan. We got limited success with Hughes for three seasons but perhaps without realising it at the time lost our way and our identity. Pulis had a plan, didn't like it but for years it worked, Jones has a plan that will be great if it works and I am optimistic that it will. Hostage to fortune of course but that is how I feel. “Planning is essential, but all plans are useless once the enemy is engaged” Dwight Eisenhower. In other other words, planning is fine but will we have right players, especially leaders on the pitch, for the battle? |
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on May 13, 2019 6:56:24 GMT
10+
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 13, 2019 7:00:21 GMT
No one has the foggiest and if they claim to have the foggiest then they're bullshitting you.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 13, 2019 7:34:52 GMT
No one has the foggiest and if they claim to have the foggiest then they're bullshitting you. True - but it is possible to have a view on the probabilities. Mine are 2019-20 10% and probably a disaster if we were to go up 2020-21 30% 2021-22 50% If Jones does ok I think he'll get 3 seasons after that it is anyones guess as to what will happen. I'm excited about our prospects under Jones - he's passionate,has a clear idea of what he wants to do and has the backing of the club to build his own squad subject to the constraints of FFP. However that doesn't mean I'm unrealistic about the size of the task and the fact that Jones is unproven at this level. However he has my full backing and I'm genuinely looking forward to next season to see if we can turn the corner and build an effective football team. |
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Post by hanibal7 on May 13, 2019 9:48:46 GMT
Personally I reckon we will be in the play offs at least next season. Not because we buy our way out or because we were a PL side, because we have a man with a plan. Jones has already planned each day of close season training, identified who he wants to keep and who to buy. We have spent the years since Pulis left (and I was happy to see him go) without an identity and a plan. We got limited success with Hughes for three seasons but perhaps without realising it at the time lost our way and our identity. Pulis had a plan, didn't like it but for years it worked, Jones has a plan that will be great if it works and I am optimistic that it will. Hostage to fortune of course but that is how I feel. only planned since close of season, omfg. |
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Post by s8to on May 13, 2019 10:25:36 GMT
At the start of every season there will be 24 clubs hoping to go up, with at least a dozen of them having some sort of realistic chance to do so. Over a 46 game season it requires a whole load of factors, including luck, to be one of the 3 successful clubs...and every season it potentially gets more difficult, although clubs like Brighton, Bournemouth and Huddersfield and now Sheffield United have shown that parachute payments aren't the be all and end all What this does say is that, for Stoke City, staying in the top flight would probably have been easier, and cheaper, than trying to get back up  Only cheaper if you mismanage your transfer kitty. We spent a fortune badly. Norwich and Sheff Utd on the other hand were both promoted whilst making a net profit on transfer activity. You don’t have to spend big to go up, you just need to spend wisely. .. and probably nailed on favourites to come straight back down as they have NO Prem quality in their sides.. Let's face is it we saw it so many times with Championship shaped squads... |
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Post by stokiejoe on May 13, 2019 13:21:44 GMT
Personally I reckon we will be in the play offs at least next season. Not because we buy our way out or because we were a PL side, because we have a man with a plan. Jones has already planned each day of close season training, identified who he wants to keep and who to buy. We have spent the years since Pulis left (and I was happy to see him go) without an identity and a plan. We got limited success with Hughes for three seasons but perhaps without realising it at the time lost our way and our identity. Pulis had a plan, didn't like it but for years it worked, Jones has a plan that will be great if it works and I am optimistic that it will. Hostage to fortune of course but that is how I feel. only planned since close of season, omfg. Huh? Don't understand your point. |
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Post by stokiejoe on May 13, 2019 13:25:34 GMT
Personally I reckon we will be in the play offs at least next season. Not because we buy our way out or because we were a PL side, because we have a man with a plan. Jones has already planned each day of close season training, identified who he wants to keep and who to buy. We have spent the years since Pulis left (and I was happy to see him go) without an identity and a plan. We got limited success with Hughes for three seasons but perhaps without realising it at the time lost our way and our identity. Pulis had a plan, didn't like it but for years it worked, Jones has a plan that will be great if it works and I am optimistic that it will. Hostage to fortune of course but that is how I feel. “Planning is essential, but all plans are useless once the enemy is engaged” Dwight Eisenhower. In other other words, planning is fine but will we have right players, especially leaders on the pitch, for the battle? Completely agree, but the point of planning a battle is to have leaders who can take decisions and players who can implement them. The test of a good plan is not when everything goes as you expected, it stands and falls when the unexpected occurs which is when the leaders on the pitch take over. This is why we need to make sure our recruitment is sound |
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Post by franklin66 on May 13, 2019 14:14:56 GMT
Nest season should see us back.
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Post by thehoof on May 13, 2019 14:59:44 GMT
I’m planning for a return next year. I’ve planned overnight stays and everything and because I have a plan, it will happen.😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 13, 2019 18:59:25 GMT
I’m planning for a return next year. I’ve planned overnight stays and everything and because I have a plan, it will happen.😂😂😂😂😂 But do you have a project manager? You need a project manager, If you don't have a project manager who is going to blame you when it goes wrong and take the credit if it comes off? |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 7:55:06 GMT
Our manager has a better killer instinct now As proven by his 3/21 wins? |
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Post by pb1863 on May 14, 2019 10:57:23 GMT
We got points from 72% of games last season with too many draws as we know. Next season top 6 and hopefully top 2.
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Post by Godo on May 14, 2019 11:04:39 GMT
If not by May 2021 at the latest then I worry I may never see us play in the Premiership again in my lifetime!!
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Post by Silkystoke on May 14, 2019 12:43:48 GMT
Hopefully before I’m 60...!!!!!
Gotta go now my mummy is making dinner and I have my favorite fish fingers with tomato sauce....😂
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