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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 11, 2019 22:30:48 GMT
Perhaps we could get promoted on our 150th anniversary.
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Post by mjg13x on May 11, 2019 22:33:29 GMT
Perhaps we could get promoted on our 150th anniversary. I don't know which camp you're in--would that be 2023 or 2028? |
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Post by Gods on May 11, 2019 22:34:50 GMT
I predict that if and when we do get back the Prem will no longer be the Prem, it won't include English football's biggest guns who will be off locking horns with Barca and Bayern in a European super league.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 11, 2019 22:36:09 GMT
Perhaps we could get promoted on our 150th anniversary. I don't know which camp you're in--would that be 2023 or 2028? I camp anywhere. Ducky. |
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Post by stokie1947 on May 11, 2019 22:39:28 GMT
i will see who comes in and goes out before i have a guess at that question
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Post by wilcopotter on May 11, 2019 23:33:28 GMT
At the start of every season there will be 24 clubs hoping to go up, with at least a dozen of them having some sort of realistic chance to do so. Over a 46 game season it requires a whole load of factors, including luck, to be one of the 3 successful clubs...and every season it potentially gets more difficult, although clubs like Brighton, Bournemouth and Huddersfield and now Sheffield United have shown that parachute payments aren't the be all and end all What this does say is that, for Stoke City, staying in the top flight would probably have been easier, and cheaper, than trying to get back up  The way we’ve played this season we would have gone down anyway. |
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Post by generationex on May 12, 2019 0:04:35 GMT
As long as betting regulation remains lax we’re laughing.
If not next year (and we’ve got a shout),Pulis will be back and he’ll piss it with the available resources (and the dead shit gone).
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Post by adelaidepotter on May 12, 2019 1:01:33 GMT
Stoke will win The Championship in 2022 and I will finally fulfill my dream of coming to Stoke with my brother, and watching them play in 2023.
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Post by Goonie on May 12, 2019 4:52:17 GMT
47 years
To coincide with our bicentennial!
(White flag)😬😁😉
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Post by StaffordPotter on May 12, 2019 5:07:20 GMT
This isn't a quick fix. I'll say at least five.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 5:12:17 GMT
Possibly another three. I said at the start of last season that it would take around three seasons when Rowett walked through the door, not because of him, but because of the enormity of changing the entire club around and correcting the errors of many years.
Once it became apparent that he was leaving I again said that three year period would probably be refreshed, due to a new man with a different philosophy now having to change the original issues and the compounded new issues.
If Jones has used this half a season wisely, and time will tell on that one way or the other, then that three year period might get shaved down to two.
This is the Championship though and things can change very quickly one way or the other.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 12, 2019 7:40:51 GMT
Given that Jones is looking to rebuild I think going up next season wouldn't do us any favours - it would be too soon. So given where we are if we go up under Jones it will ether be in 20/21 or 21/22. I think Jones will get the 20/21 season if we show improvement next season and will get the 21/22 season if we look like genuine challengers in 20/21. If we don't go up by 21/22 we're looking at another change of manager and all bets are off.
Going with Jones, who is inexperienced at this level, was always going to be a gamble but now we've made that call it's pointless going back. And anyway anyone who comes in now has exactly the same problems - offloading an expensive and dysfunctional premier league squad and building an effective Championship side almost from scratch. That's going to take 2 or 3 seasons whoever is the manager. A dinosaur manager might have been a quick fix option last season but they aren't now.
I'm actually looking forward to seeing what comes next - it could go well or it could go badly but at least we're in a competition we can hope to win at some point.
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Post by Pugsley on May 12, 2019 7:53:42 GMT
Pretty retarded comment considering we don't even know what our squad will look like next season. It will look the same as this seasons, bar about 5 or 6 players. Yeah bar 20% of it it will be the same... |
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Post by Gunslinger on May 12, 2019 7:56:14 GMT
Season 20/21 at the earliest
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 7:58:09 GMT
It will look the same as this seasons, bar about 5 or 6 players. Yeah bar 20% of it it will be the same... 5/6 players won't be enough to get this squad promoted. |
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Post by Pugsley on May 12, 2019 8:00:42 GMT
Yeah bar 20% of it it will be the same... 5/6 players won't be enough to get this squad promoted. Maybe not but the squad won't be the same. Changing 5 or 6 players is not insignificant. I think Jones will do well but I must say the first 3 players we have been linked to is worrying and shows no sign of the 'process' improving. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 8:02:18 GMT
5/6 players won't be enough to get this squad promoted. Maybe not but the squad won't be the same. Changing 5 or 6 players is not insignificant. I think Jones will do well but I must say the first 3 players we have been linked to is worrying and shows no sign of the 'process' improving. Fair enough, and on reflection (not full of real ale), it was a bit of a daft statement  I agree with your last sentence wholeheartedly. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 8:08:23 GMT
When our attacking threat of Afobe, McClean and Ince are no longer starting.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 12, 2019 8:08:52 GMT
Drives me round the bastard twist how this suddenly a years and years project. A third of teams who get relegated go straight back up, with our backing we should have been one of them. Not to do so was failure, not to do it next season will be a colossal failure. Why are people so willing to embrace mediocrity and self inflicted decay?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 12, 2019 8:22:39 GMT
Drives me round the bastard twist how this suddenly a years and years project. A third of teams who get relegated go straight back up, with our backing we should have been one of them. Not to do so was failure, not to do it next season will be a colossal failure. Why are people so willing to embrace mediocrity and self inflicted decay? And on that basis 2 thirds don't - which makes it twice as likely we won't make a quick return than going straight back up. Those that did go straight back up had a decent squad that needed tuning. We haven't - we've got a crap squad that needs dismantling. It's not a matter of embracing mediocrity and self inflicted decay its facing up to the reality of the situation we are in. Continually banging on about us being a big club who should be in the Premiership just makes us look stupid and if anything stops us from taking the drastic action that's needed for us to earn promotion. The club recognised this when they sacked Rowett. The problem is a good number of fans are still in denial and wandering the place acting like a pissed up punch drunk boxer telling everyone they coulda been a contender. |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 12, 2019 8:32:47 GMT
!!!!! I hope not 22 years. Was it 23 years years outside the top division between 1985 and 2008. That would make it 2041 until we go up! Shit! I'll be approaching 80! I hope the nursing home has WiFi and that WreckitRob is still doing his stuff!  |
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Post by wakeypotter on May 12, 2019 8:36:38 GMT
We will top this piss pot league next year , with record points 😎 Not much pressure then. I’d be more realistic and say just squeeze into top ten |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 8:39:06 GMT
Just looking forward to some passion and desire. Take it one step at a time
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Post by telfordstoke on May 12, 2019 8:40:56 GMT
Can see solid top 10 finish next season, year after should be in the frame for play offs or better, assuming manager gets the time and backing to do what he wants to.
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Post by RAF on May 12, 2019 8:41:49 GMT
Drives me round the bastard twist how this suddenly a years and years project. A third of teams who get relegated go straight back up, with our backing we should have been one of them. Not to do so was failure, not to do it next season will be a colossal failure. Why are people so willing to embrace mediocrity and self inflicted decay? Because it's the attitude that has been embedded in Stoke on Trent for generations. People don't believe they deserve anything decent and are happy to wallow in a pool of shit for an occasional highlight. It would be quite endearing if it wasn't so fucking sad. H |
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Post by cousindupree on May 12, 2019 9:27:55 GMT
I guess we have a couple more seasons to do it before the board get fed up with losing money and revert back to a self sufficiency model. Then it will be a very long haul.
We simply have to start next season with a starting xi that is at least 30% better (4 new starters better than we already have) than the one we finished with. That means upgrades in key positions ensuring that Ince McClean and Clucas are not first picks.
I am not sure the ponds we are fishing in and the guys doing the fishing will deliver the upgrades we need.
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Post by Potter94 on May 12, 2019 9:32:29 GMT
Why can’t we go up next season? Everyone knows we’ve got one of the best squads in the championship it’s the mentality that’s the problem and no one can put a timescale on how long that takes to sort out. We’ve shown recently we can compete with norwich and Sheff Utd on our day we were the better team and we beat Leeds and derby at home and Norwich away. It’s about being consistent and if we sign the right players get the mentality sorted next season could be massive. People saying on here no chance of us getting promoted next season just toxic in my opinion everyone needs to get behind us. Up the potterssss
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Post by questionable on May 12, 2019 9:36:52 GMT
Heaven knows, however the process is working well and what’s all the fuss about.
Something majorly has gone wrong here and I can only think that the reigns were passed down and whoever is now the major decision maker is hasn’t got a friggin clue and obviously being led by totally totally inept morons.
There’s also the case that nobody is going to ask questions as it’s pretty much beyond debate given the ownership set up.
All in all I don’t really care anymore it’s not as if the owners actually care about the fans anyway. In a warped way I find it hilarious that they’re so pathetic to simply sit by and watch it collapse and act as if they’re doing a good job but losing tens of millions on bang average players most of the time
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Post by kelw on May 12, 2019 11:14:27 GMT
No one has a clue is the answer.
Norwich 14th last year, Sheff Utd didn't make play offs, 10th I think and Millwall just missed the play offs.
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Post by tony1234 on May 12, 2019 11:23:41 GMT
We need to stop descending first
2015/16 - 9th
2016/17 - 13th - fall = 4 places
2017/18 - 19th - fall = 6 places
2018/19 (Xmas) - 34th - fall = 15 places
2018/19 (end of season) - 36th - fall = 2 places
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