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Post by foster on Oct 26, 2021 11:01:23 GMT
I don't pay much attention to the PL, but based on my limited understanding, I find it hard not to feel sorry for Solskjaer.
He was brought in as a temporary fix to just be a nice guy who the players would rally around following Mourinho's negativity. Unsurprisingly, the players responded and they got a few wins against some poor teams. Despite his career showing that he's a very limited manager, there was then a press clamour for him to get the job permanently. He got the job and as soon as they didn't win a couple of games, the same press were demanding blood and wondering who would ever think it was a good idea to appoint him. In spite of all of that, he found a style of play with a young team that was surprisingly successful.with a high intensity pressing game. To everybody's surprise, he was flavour of the month again. Then Matt Busby II heard that Man City were about to buy Ronaldo, a thirty-something who doesn't press and is entirely unsuited to Solskjaer's system. Ferguson then arranges the signing. Now, his system doesn't work when Ronaldo plays, so results are poor, and Busby II criticises Solskjaer to anybody who will listen if Ronaldo doesn't play. Crap manager makes surprisingly decent fist of poisoned chalice before being undermined by former manager. Why would you feel sorry for someone who got a job purely because of his previous affiliation with the club? Who is earning millions now and in the past, and who could quite easily walk away from the job and never need work another day in his life. I can think of plenty of people to feel sorry for than a Premier League football manager.
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Post by datguy on Oct 26, 2021 14:03:44 GMT
SAF has had a say in all of the appointments hasn’t he? They’ve all been shite.
And it seems like it was his vote of confidence that has kept him in his job until Spurs at very least.
Why is it taking them so long to move on from Ferguson?
Was absolutely brilliant mind walking round Piccadilly Gardens Sunday evening. Couldn’t write it.
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 26, 2021 18:54:05 GMT
I don't pay much attention to the PL, but based on my limited understanding, I find it hard not to feel sorry for Solskjaer.
He was brought in as a temporary fix to just be a nice guy who the players would rally around following Mourinho's negativity. Unsurprisingly, the players responded and they got a few wins against some poor teams. Despite his career showing that he's a very limited manager, there was then a press clamour for him to get the job permanently. He got the job and as soon as they didn't win a couple of games, the same press were demanding blood and wondering who would ever think it was a good idea to appoint him. In spite of all of that, he found a style of play with a young team that was surprisingly successful.with a high intensity pressing game. To everybody's surprise, he was flavour of the month again. Then Matt Busby II heard that Man City were about to buy Ronaldo, a thirty-something who doesn't press and is entirely unsuited to Solskjaer's system. Ferguson then arranges the signing. Now, his system doesn't work when Ronaldo plays, so results are poor, and Busby II criticises Solskjaer to anybody who will listen if Ronaldo doesn't play. Crap manager makes surprisingly decent fist of poisoned chalice before being undermined by former manager. Why would you feel sorry for someone who got a job purely because of his previous affiliation with the club? Who is earning millions now and in the past, and who could quite easily walk away from the job and never need work another day in his life. I can think of plenty of people to feel sorry for than a Premier League football manager. Well, it's relative really. I feel a little bit bad for him, but not as bad as I do for, say, families of murder victims.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 26, 2021 19:02:01 GMT
Glazers spent all day with the new md apparently What makes you a prick Button? Thank you for such an eloquent and well thought through contribution
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 26, 2021 19:10:03 GMT
SAF has had a say in all of the appointments hasn’t he? They’ve all been shite. And it seems like it was his vote of confidence that has kept him in his job until Spurs at very least. Why is it taking them so long to move on from Ferguson? Was absolutely brilliant mind walking round Piccadilly Gardens Sunday evening. Couldn’t write it. Fergie is like the grim reaper at Old Trafford, every time he’s there and Man Utd are getting dicked the camera is always on him in a “I wouldn’t have done that” kind of way. It’s hilarious.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 26, 2021 19:13:19 GMT
Re the OP. What did this loser do to get the job? Get Cardiff relegated? 😂
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Post by chigstoke on Oct 26, 2021 19:25:50 GMT
Re the OP. What did this loser do to get the job? Get Cardiff relegated? 😂 Even looking at his stats from Molde, a decent win rate but he wasn't absolutely blistering in the honors department.
And certainly not worthy of a job like United. If he wasn't an old boy he'd have had absolutely no chance, we knew that already though.
People are not going to let Ferdinand live down his 'Ole's at the wheel' comment. He's at the fucking Fisher Price wheel.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 26, 2021 19:30:03 GMT
Re the OP. What did this loser do to get the job? Get Cardiff relegated? 😂 Even looking at his stats from Molde, a decent win rate but he wasn't absolutely blistering in the honors department.
And certainly not worthy of a job like United. If he wasn't an old boy he'd have had absolutely no chance, we knew that already though.
People are not going to let Ferdinand live down his 'Ole's at the wheel' comment. He's at the fucking Fisher Price wheel.
Oles at the wheel is just a permanent gif that keeps on giving
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 26, 2021 19:33:16 GMT
They should have got Ancelotti in the first place, he’s past it now but he’d have sorted them no doubt. Now they’ll be desperate for Pochetino who has a rather cushy number at PSG or Zidane which would be gettable
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 26, 2021 22:52:46 GMT
They should have got Ancelotti in the first place, he’s past it now but he’d have sorted them no doubt. Now they’ll be desperate for Pochetino who has a rather cushy number at PSG or Zidane which would be gettable I can see Zidane being a good fit at United… A true legend of the game who’s record speaks for itself both as a player and manager. Zidane would also have two of his former Real Madrid players in the squad. Surprised for such a global superstar, he still can’t speak English.
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Post by klingon on Oct 27, 2021 15:41:18 GMT
Danny Mills has a view................
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Post by gassy on Oct 27, 2021 15:59:01 GMT
Danny Mills has a view................ Oh dear, hahahah...
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Post by thevoid on Oct 27, 2021 16:52:11 GMT
They should have got Ancelotti in the first place, he’s past it now but he’d have sorted them no doubt. Now they’ll be desperate for Pochetino who has a rather cushy number at PSG or Zidane which would be gettable I can see Zidane being a good fit at United… A true legend of the game who’s record speaks for itself both as a player and manager. Zidane would also have two of his former Real Madrid players in the squad. Surprised for such a global superstar, he still can’t speak English. It's even more surprising that Marcelo Bielsa still can't give an interview in English after four years here, although at least it gives his little mate something to do
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 27, 2021 18:28:02 GMT
I can see Zidane being a good fit at United… A true legend of the game who’s record speaks for itself both as a player and manager. Zidane would also have two of his former Real Madrid players in the squad. Surprised for such a global superstar, he still can’t speak English. It's even more surprising that Marcelo Bielsa still can't give an interview in English after four years here, although at least it gives his little mate something to do There’s no excuse for it really, though Bielsa and his mate are almost inseparable now, like Dr Evil and Mini Me. I remember Ranieri was the same when he had an interpreter at Chelsea, though his was some old Cockney geezer if I remember correctly. But at least Ranieri went on to become fluent in English.
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Post by alsagerstokie on Oct 27, 2021 19:14:24 GMT
It's even more surprising that Marcelo Bielsa still can't give an interview in English after four years here, although at least it gives his little mate something to do There’s no excuse for it really, though Bielsa and his mate are almost inseparable now, like Dr Evil and Mini Me. I remember Ranieri was the same when he had an interpreter at Chelsea, though his was some old Cockney geezer if I remember correctly. But at least Ranieri went on to become fluent in English. Is that old fella at Chelsea the one who always seems to get himself on camera and seems to have done every job going at the club?
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Oct 28, 2021 12:29:01 GMT
Interesting comments from Graeme Souness:
"They have a problem because they can't play the way Ole wants to play. They can't be the high pressing team that the very best teams are, because if one person [Ronaldo] doesn't commit to the press, people can get out.
"He [Ronaldo] won't give you that so they will have to be a different brand of football - that Ole doesn't really want to play."
A couple of other big names are saying Juventus are better since Ronaldo left.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 28, 2021 12:34:07 GMT
Interesting comments from Graeme Souness: "They have a problem because they can't play the way Ole wants to play. They can't be the high pressing team that the very best teams are, because if one person [Ronaldo] doesn't commit to the press, people can get out. "He [Ronaldo] won't give you that so they will have to be a different brand of football - that Ole doesn't really want to play." A couple of other big names are saying Juventus are better since Ronaldo left. They were fairly bad without Ronaldo and had a lot of the problems they've got now even then.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Oct 28, 2021 18:20:50 GMT
Interesting comments from Graeme Souness: "They have a problem because they can't play the way Ole wants to play. They can't be the high pressing team that the very best teams are, because if one person [Ronaldo] doesn't commit to the press, people can get out. "He [Ronaldo] won't give you that so they will have to be a different brand of football - that Ole doesn't really want to play." A couple of other big names are saying Juventus are better since Ronaldo left. They were fairly bad without Ronaldo and had a lot of the problems they've got now even then. They did well to finish 2nd last year despite Liverpool's issues, and Ronaldo looked like the best of an excellent trio of signings made since last season. It seems they won't be title contenders this season though, but I wouldn't rule out top 4. That may not be enough to keep Solskjaer in the job.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 28, 2021 18:49:21 GMT
They were fairly bad without Ronaldo and had a lot of the problems they've got now even then. They did well to finish 2nd last year despite Liverpool's issues, and Ronaldo looked like the best of an excellent trio of signings made since last season. It seems they won't be title contenders this season though, but I wouldn't rule out top 4. That may not be enough to keep Solskjaer in the job. It shouldn’t do tbh, he’s not up to it. Can’t say I noticed them having a well oiled pressing machine last season - they still looked like they didn’t have a plan, they looked light and lost in midfield and constantly went behind and had to turn it round against lesser opposition. He may well have had Ronaldo foisted on him but not signing a defensive midfielder is bizarre.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 28, 2021 18:49:46 GMT
Manchester City have Guardiola.
Liverpool have Klopp.
Chelsea have Tuchel.
Manchester United have Solskjaer.
That feels like a total mismatch to me. United are the most successful British club post war, they need to find a top manager with a record of winning titles. Finishing second isn't going to be good enough, especially after Ferguson, perhaps they should look to Conte.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 28, 2021 19:02:04 GMT
Manchester City have Guardiola. Liverpool have Klopp. Chelsea have Tuchel. Manchester United have Solskjaer. That feels like a total mismatch to me. United are the most successful British club post war, they need to find a top manager with a record of winning titles. Finishing second isn't going to be good enough, especially after Ferguson, perhaps they should look to Conte. Mancini👀
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Oct 28, 2021 19:22:03 GMT
They did well to finish 2nd last year despite Liverpool's issues, and Ronaldo looked like the best of an excellent trio of signings made since last season. It seems they won't be title contenders this season though, but I wouldn't rule out top 4. That may not be enough to keep Solskjaer in the job. It shouldn’t do tbh, he’s not up to it. Can’t say I noticed them having a well oiled pressing machine last season - they still looked like they didn’t have a plan, they looked light and lost in midfield and constantly went behind and had to turn it round against lesser opposition. He may well have had Ronaldo foisted on him but not signing a defensive midfielder is bizarre. Why did they appoint Solskjaer in the first place? Because he made a good impression during his caretaker spell, so they thought they had no other choice? I also think it's not just the manager - maybe Solskjaer alone isn't up to the task, but I imagined Ferguson would mentor Solskjaer, and Mike Phelan was credited as a big reason for the successes towards the end of Ferguson's reign.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 28, 2021 19:35:03 GMT
It shouldn’t do tbh, he’s not up to it. Can’t say I noticed them having a well oiled pressing machine last season - they still looked like they didn’t have a plan, they looked light and lost in midfield and constantly went behind and had to turn it round against lesser opposition. He may well have had Ronaldo foisted on him but not signing a defensive midfielder is bizarre. Why did they appoint Solskjaer in the first place? Because he made a good impression during his caretaker spell, so they thought they had no other choice? I also think it's not just the manager - maybe Solskjaer alone isn't up to the task, but I imagined Ferguson would mentor Solskjaer, and Mike Phelan was credited as a big reason for the successes towards the end of Ferguson's reign. Because they panicked and he was a club legend. He had no pedigree whatsoever to warrant the job. He did well at first at least in part because he wasn’t Mourinho. Would you want him near the Stoke job? I wouldn’t want him anywhere close to it if it became available.
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Oct 28, 2021 19:39:28 GMT
Really, who gives a flying fuck? I hope they get consecutive relegations until they are playing the Vale and Crewe every season with crowds of 2500 spaced around Old Trafford! Same goes for Scousers!
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Post by hardcastle on Oct 28, 2021 19:49:29 GMT
True. But you think he'll last 'til May ?
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Oct 28, 2021 21:27:22 GMT
Why did they appoint Solskjaer in the first place? Because he made a good impression during his caretaker spell, so they thought they had no other choice? I also think it's not just the manager - maybe Solskjaer alone isn't up to the task, but I imagined Ferguson would mentor Solskjaer, and Mike Phelan was credited as a big reason for the successes towards the end of Ferguson's reign. Because they panicked and he was a club legend. He had no pedigree whatsoever to warrant the job. He did well at first at least in part because he wasn’t Mourinho. Would you want him near the Stoke job? I wouldn’t want him anywhere close to it if it became available. I wouldn't, but don't you think there's anything in putting the right people around the manager? It's not all on the manager, especially at most clubs these days. Hughes always had Bowen and Niedzwiecki. Conte had the same assistant following him around. Would Jones have done better at Stoke with Harford here too? Not to mention the tens of other people surrounding managers. It's not all on Solskjaer, but the manager is where the axe falls.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 28, 2021 21:29:52 GMT
Because they panicked and he was a club legend. He had no pedigree whatsoever to warrant the job. He did well at first at least in part because he wasn’t Mourinho. Would you want him near the Stoke job? I wouldn’t want him anywhere close to it if it became available. I wouldn't, but don't you think there's anything in putting the right people around the manager? It's not all on the manager, especially at most clubs these days. Hughes always had Bowen and Niedzwiecki. Conte had the same assistant following him around. Would Jones have done better at Stoke with Harford here too? Not to mention the tens of other people surrounding managers. It's not all on Solskjaer, but the manager is where the axe falls. There’s something in it to a degree but the ghost of Matt Busby couldn’t make a top line manager of Solskjaer. You can’t just take any manager and put them with a good backroom team.
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Post by innocentbystander on Oct 28, 2021 21:54:22 GMT
Really, who gives a flying fuck? I hope they get consecutive relegations until they are playing the Vale and Crewe every season with crowds of 2500 spaced around Old Trafford! Same goes for Scousers! The Referees MUFC Supporters Club will make sure that doesn't happen.
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Post by alsagerstokie on Oct 29, 2021 11:11:24 GMT
Lots of top managers seem to have an assistant they trust and who they have a good relationship with. Klopp had Zeljko Buvac for years and when he left I thought he would struggle maybe but he has done the opposite.
I Cant think that Mike Phelan can have as much say so at united. Having worked for 10 years under Ferige he must have more ideas than Carrick. with the team all over the place that wouldn't be a team who has Phelan on the coaching staff.
The simple fact is that has been mentioned is that Tuchel Guardiola Klopp are winners experienced winners. Solskajer isn't and isn't up to it. When you see some of the games its almost like Fergie is the ghost hanging over because he did such a good job.
I disagree with the ones on Moyes. Given more time I actually think Moyes could of done something.
Solskajer has to deal with Dea who for the last few years in my opinion given up because he is fed up. Why they have not given it to Henderson yet is beyond me.
Wan Bisaka is overrated as to very much is Maguire in my opinion. Ronaldo is Ronaldo will probably go on to score 20ish but they have to fit everything around him and if they don't the media will be on Solskjaers back.
One positive for United is Greenwood. Which is why they didn't need Sancho.
Pogba is Pogba . Get rid hes not worth the trouble. I wouldn't have him in a Stoke shirt even if it only cost a pound.
As ive stated in the past all this is hilarious.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 29, 2021 11:13:50 GMT
Moyes would never have done anything there, he was the wrong fit and out of his depth.
He tried to turn them into Everton.
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