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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Feb 24, 2019 11:47:28 GMT
Rowett spent £50m and had a full pre-season with the players..... Correct about Rowett, what I can’t get is that we can all see that these players aren’t as fit as their opponents , yet four managers have failed to get to grips with it , the stats don’t lie about the number of games that we have lost or drawn in the second half, maybe they rely on the wrong people to oversee this . I'm sorry, as so called professional athlete's, the players are responsible to there own fitness levels, time spent with the manager should be to work on shape and passages of play. This fucking shower have no commitment to their careers |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 24, 2019 11:51:46 GMT
The Campbell one is a tough call. One the one hand, he does have pace, he had shown promise, he is probably the best option for a run alongside Vokes. On the other, is he ready yet? Could a run now with these wasters actually do his development more harm than good? If he gets the smell in his nostrils at Shrewsbury and he comes bac a better, more confident player raring to go then, might that work out better for us and for him long term? I could understand a loan to Luton where he may get first hand insight to the workings of the diamond. Do Shrewsbury set up that way? If not it all sounds pretty pointless as the majority of next season he'll be sitting out a good portion of season until he's caught up. Surely the important thing is that he just gets senior professional minutes playing up front? |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Feb 24, 2019 12:08:37 GMT
Nathan is a negative bottle job. One win in nine? We sacked the guy before him for being absolutely shyte, yet he was infinitely better than the new guy. We didn't sack Rowett for being shit, we sacked him for continually have a pop at the supporters and trying to start a riot in the stands. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 24, 2019 12:35:42 GMT
At this rate we will get through 3 or 4 managers a season. Can all these people who want Jones to go name one manager they think would be better who would come in knowing he'll be given 10 games to prove himself. Not even Guardiola or Klopp could promise to improve things that quickly. The squad would be a complete mish mash of players bought by different managers and nobody would understand which tactics we were playing.
As I said before grow up and realise that doing things properly and thoroughly takes time and is better than a quick fix papering over cracks.
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Post by canadianmoose on Feb 24, 2019 12:57:05 GMT
Nathan is a negative bottle job. One win in nine? We sacked the guy before him for being absolutely shyte, yet he was infinitely better than the new guy. We didn't sack Rowett for being shit, we sacked him for continually have a pop at the supporters and trying to start a riot in the stands. Agreed. Rowett getting sacked was about his attitude and big mouth rather than the results and style of play. However, it is ironic that many supporters wanted Rowett gone for “shit football” somehow thinking that these players would respond to somebody else in a different manner. Now the football imho is no better than the tripe Rowett was serving up yet now everyone is saying he deserves time and he inherited a shit squad. Surely a new, better manger should be getting something more out of this bunch? Apparently not as the same bottler attitude can still be seen all over the pitch. I have yet to see Tom Ince or Afobe even challenge for a 50/50 let alone win one. The reality is that too many of these players believe they are too good for Stoke City in the championship. They mope around hoping that they don’t get injured before another premier league team comes knocking for an inflated fee and wage packet. This league is full of younger and hungry players who despite possibly more limited skill sets more than make up for it in fitness, application, work rate and team work. So in conclusion, it will be a major rebuild job and we have to seriously decide if Nathan is the man to do it. At this point after firing so many managers lately, we have to give him the opportunity and hope that short term pain equals long term gain. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 24, 2019 12:59:58 GMT
Nathan is a negative bottle job. One win in nine? We sacked the guy before him for being absolutely shyte, yet he was infinitely better than the new guy. We didn't sack Rowett for being shit, we sacked him for continually have a pop at the supporters and trying to start a riot in the stands. And being shit. |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Feb 24, 2019 13:02:54 GMT
We didn't sack Rowett for being shit, we sacked him for continually have a pop at the supporters and trying to start a riot in the stands. And being shit. I think if he had been a bit clever, managed expectation and talked about building something so he could develop the style he wanted he might still be here. Then again if my auntie had bollocks she'd be my uncle. |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Feb 24, 2019 13:08:27 GMT
We didn't sack Rowett for being shit, we sacked him for continually have a pop at the supporters and trying to start a riot in the stands. Agreed. Rowett getting sacked was about his attitude and big mouth rather than the results and style of play. However, it is ironic that many supporters wanted Rowett gone for “shit football” somehow thinking that these players would respond to somebody else in a different manner. Now the football imho is no better than the tripe Rowett was serving up yet now everyone is saying he deserves time and he inherited a shit squad. Surely a new, better manger should be getting something more out of this bunch? Apparently not as the same bottler attitude can still be seen all over the pitch. I have yet to see Tom Ince or Afobe even challenge for a 50/50 let alone win one. The reality is that too many of these players believe they are too good for Stoke City in the championship. They mope around hoping that they don’t get injured before another premier league team comes knocking for an inflated fee and wage packet. This league is full of younger and hungry players who despite possibly more limited skill sets more than make up for it in fitness, application, work rate and team work. So in conclusion, it will be a major rebuild job and we have to seriously decide if Nathan is the man to do it. At this point after firing so many managers lately, we have to give him the opportunity and hope that short term pain equals long term gain. Can't argue with a word of that! I'm happy to see if Nathan can build a dynasty and know it will take time and patience. I don't think there are many fans who are prepared to give him that time. |
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Post by bertiestan on Feb 24, 2019 13:57:15 GMT
Agreed. Rowett getting sacked was about his attitude and big mouth rather than the results and style of play. However, it is ironic that many supporters wanted Rowett gone for “shit football” somehow thinking that these players would respond to somebody else in a different manner. Now the football imho is no better than the tripe Rowett was serving up yet now everyone is saying he deserves time and he inherited a shit squad. Surely a new, better manger should be getting something more out of this bunch? Apparently not as the same bottler attitude can still be seen all over the pitch. I have yet to see Tom Ince or Afobe even challenge for a 50/50 let alone win one. The reality is that too many of these players believe they are too good for Stoke City in the championship. They mope around hoping that they don’t get injured before another premier league team comes knocking for an inflated fee and wage packet. This league is full of younger and hungry players who despite possibly more limited skill sets more than make up for it in fitness, application, work rate and team work. So in conclusion, it will be a major rebuild job and we have to seriously decide if Nathan is the man to do it. At this point after firing so many managers lately, we have to give him the opportunity and hope that short term pain equals long term gain. Can't argue with a word of that! I'm happy to see if Nathan can build a dynasty and know it will take time and patience. I don't think there are many fans who are prepared to give him that time. i certainly am. |
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Post by spiderpuss on Feb 24, 2019 14:28:55 GMT
NJ seemed to be badly unsettled by the Vokes injury yesterday. Bringing MD on didn't help at-all and yet another player who needs to find another club to ply their very limited skills come May. I hate to say this but after a couple of months, there doesn't seem to be any improvement at-all. There's maybe a little in defence but Villa and Ipswich found it all too easy still to find an equaliser.
Perhaps we'd hope that after the Rowtwit show that these players could come up with something different - they can't sadly. Some of the substitution tactics were very disappointing yesterday, they added really nothing. NJ needs to show us that he can get these players fitter, much fitter.
He also needs to understand his squad and how to use substitutions effectively. Playing Clucas in 3 different places looks like we have muddled thinking.
Overall the jury is firmly out on his managerial capabilities.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 24, 2019 14:39:03 GMT
NJ seemed to be badly unsettled by the Vokes injury yesterday. Bringing MD on didn't help at-all and yet another player who needs to find another club to ply their very limited skills come May. I hate to say this but after a couple of months, there doesn't seem to be any improvement at-all. There's maybe a little in defence but Villa and Ipswich found it all too easy still to find an equaliser. Perhaps we'd hope that after the Rowtwit show that these players could come up with something different - they can't sadly. Some of the substitution tactics were very disappointing yesterday, they added really nothing. NJ needs to show us that he can get these players fitter, much fitter. He also needs to understand his squad and how to use substitutions effectively. Playing Clucas in 3 different places looks like we have muddled thinking. Overall the jury is firmly out on his managerial capabilities. No improvement ? We dont spend 15 minutes of each game passing the ball along / between the back 4 and Woods that is my abiding memory of rowettball. We are playing shite at the moment but at least we are trying to go forward however ineffectual we are. I firmly expect us to give someone a proper 2-0 or 2-1 tonking before the season is out  |
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Post by stokeson on Feb 24, 2019 14:45:06 GMT
NJ seemed to be badly unsettled by the Vokes injury yesterday. Bringing MD on didn't help at-all and yet another player who needs to find another club to ply their very limited skills come May. I hate to say this but after a couple of months, there doesn't seem to be any improvement at-all. There's maybe a little in defence but Villa and Ipswich found it all too easy still to find an equaliser. Perhaps we'd hope that after the Rowtwit show that these players could come up with something different - they can't sadly. Some of the substitution tactics were very disappointing yesterday, they added really nothing. NJ needs to show us that he can get these players fitter, much fitter. He also needs to understand his squad and how to use substitutions effectively. Playing Clucas in 3 different places looks like we have muddled thinking. Overall the jury is firmly out on his managerial capabilities. No improvement ? We dont spend 15 minutes of each game passing the ball along / between the back 4 and Woods that is my abiding memory of rowettball. We are playing shite at the moment but at least we are trying to go forward however ineffectual we are. I firmly expect us to give someone a proper 2-0 or 2-1 tonking before the season is out No memory of the points Rowett put on the board then that will keep us up. Ineffectual is a good word for all areas of management at the club. |
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Post by lordb on Feb 24, 2019 14:46:41 GMT
NJ seemed to be badly unsettled by the Vokes injury yesterday. Bringing MD on didn't help at-all and yet another player who needs to find another club to ply their very limited skills come May. I hate to say this but after a couple of months, there doesn't seem to be any improvement at-all. There's maybe a little in defence but Villa and Ipswich found it all too easy still to find an equaliser. Perhaps we'd hope that after the Rowtwit show that these players could come up with something different - they can't sadly. Some of the substitution tactics were very disappointing yesterday, they added really nothing. NJ needs to show us that he can get these players fitter, much fitter. He also needs to understand his squad and how to use substitutions effectively. Playing Clucas in 3 different places looks like we have muddled thinking. Overall the jury is firmly out on his managerial capabilities. Based on what you have seen in a handful of games? Daft. Look at what he has done at Luton, simply outstanding. Luton fans came on this board and said it won't be instant. I'll go with that. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 24, 2019 14:53:33 GMT
As I said his first 2 years at Crewe were very similar to Jones at Luton, you're taking his last 2 and a half years into account there where he then got them relegated after he was offered the wolves job and leaving them back in the bottom half of league 2 before getting fired. You’re talking out of your arse. You're not keen on facts then? |
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Post by stokeson on Feb 24, 2019 15:02:17 GMT
You’re talking out of your arse. You're not keen on facts then? Thank you Hackett.Steve Davis that's what the Jones love in reminds me of. He could do no wrong with the pundits its a pity the players who could buy him and sell him ten times over didn't agree. Jones is worth about the same as Ryans hairdresser and thats what counts in todays millionare playground ask Berahino... |
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Post by wearepremierleague on Feb 24, 2019 15:12:10 GMT
The Williams sub was up there with the strangest.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 15:47:14 GMT
His start has been more than ropey but some of these comments are embarrassing by people who need to read up on the definition of 'supporter'.
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Post by philb on Feb 24, 2019 15:50:25 GMT
The Williams sub was up there with the strangest. It was strange, but obviously his idea was to shift Clucas (who is clearly one of his favourites it seems, not sure why tbh) into midfield so that’s why he brought Williams on to replace Adam. Most people would have said the simpler and more obvious thing to do would have been to replace Adam with Woods and keep the defence as it was. For me it just upset the balance of the whole team and we became even less effective after that than we were before. |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 24, 2019 16:04:13 GMT
The Williams sub was up there with the strangest. It was strange, but obviously his idea was to shift Clucas (who is clearly one of his favourites it seems, not sure why tbh) into midfield so that’s why he brought Williams on to replace Adam. Most people would have said the simpler and more obvious thing to do would have been to replace Adam with Woods and keep the defence as it was. For me it just upset the balance of the whole team and we became even less effective after that than we were before. He keeps making the same mistakes that is not bad luck it's bad management simple as that, should have been a like for like or as close as possible to keep the disruption to a minimum. |
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Post by philb on Feb 24, 2019 16:09:20 GMT
It was strange, but obviously his idea was to shift Clucas (who is clearly one of his favourites it seems, not sure why tbh) into midfield so that’s why he brought Williams on to replace Adam. Most people would have said the simpler and more obvious thing to do would have been to replace Adam with Woods and keep the defence as it was. For me it just upset the balance of the whole team and we became even less effective after that than we were before. He keeps making the same mistakes that is not bad luck it's bad management simple as that, should have been a like for like or as close as possible to keep the disruption to a minimum. I think it’s become quite clear that no manager can manage this group of players. They’re a lost cause. End of. |
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Post by stokeson on Feb 24, 2019 16:09:43 GMT
His start has been more than ropey but some of these comments are embarrassing by people who need to read up on the definition of 'supporter'. Or maybe they should look at "unconditional" |
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Post by stokefan1972 on Feb 24, 2019 16:17:42 GMT
His start has been more than ropey but some of these comments are embarrassing by people who need to read up on the definition of 'supporter'. Or maybe they should look at "unconditional" just because you moan doesn't mean you're not a supporter |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Feb 24, 2019 16:19:57 GMT
Nathan is a negative bottle job. One win in nine? We sacked the guy before him for being absolutely shyte, yet he was infinitely better than the new guy. We didn't sack Rowett for being shit, we sacked him for continually have a pop at the supporters and trying to start a riot in the stands. Really? John and Peter Coates tell you that did they? I would suggest the on he pitch stuff in comparison to the money spent was the major reason he was sacked. If he was winning football matches and playing well the board wouldn't give a fuck if he was having a pop at supporters |
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Post by deadwait on Feb 24, 2019 16:29:35 GMT
It might help if he picked the best players, Bojan for Ince, Bauer for Edwards. I also get a gut feeling that he would ditch Charlie at the first opportunity.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Feb 24, 2019 16:47:56 GMT
We didn't sack Rowett for being shit, we sacked him for continually have a pop at the supporters and trying to start a riot in the stands. Really? John and Peter Coates tell you that did they? I would suggest the on he pitch stuff in comparison to the money spent was the major reason he was sacked. If he was winning football matches and playing well the board wouldn't give a fuck if he was having a pop at supporters OK sausage. Thanks for playing. |
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 24, 2019 17:38:07 GMT
No improvement ? We dont spend 15 minutes of each game passing the ball along / between the back 4 and Woods that is my abiding memory of rowettball. We are playing shite at the moment but at least we are trying to go forward however ineffectual we are. I firmly expect us to give someone a proper 2-0 or 2-1 tonking before the season is out No memory of the points Rowett put on the board then that will keep us up. Ineffectual is a good word for all areas of management at the club. He had his pick of who to keep, 50m to spend and you want to build a statue of him for keeping us up ! Give Jones a full window and pre season and I am confident he will perform much better than Rowett. |
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Post by lordb on Feb 24, 2019 17:39:49 GMT
It might help if he picked the best players, Bojan for Ince, Bauer for Edwards. I also get a gut feeling that he would ditch Charlie at the first opportunity. Edwards has been better than Bauer I think. He's played Adam every opportunity he has had since the Shewsbury game. |
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Post by deadwait on Feb 24, 2019 20:11:04 GMT
I think Bauer at the moment, but Edward's time will come. Charlie has not given the Manager the opportunity to ditch him---- yet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 20:25:43 GMT
it is ironic that many supporters wanted Rowett gone for “shit football” somehow thinking that these players would respond to somebody else in a different manner. We have just seen an example of that a little further up the road, so it can be done. Granted they have a different set of quality players. For Mourinho read Rowett, for Solskjær read TBA, because it's not Jones. The only similarity is the way they both came blazing in on a wave of positivity and optimism. The major difference is Olë won nine of nine, Jones one of nine. The former has his players' complete backing and they dote on every word, the latter has a squad of players who by and large have no idea what he wants from them and some of them go on pitch with their own game plan, not the manager's. |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 24, 2019 21:40:45 GMT
it is ironic that many supporters wanted Rowett gone for “shit football” somehow thinking that these players would respond to somebody else in a different manner. We have just seen an example of that a little further up the road, so it can be done. Granted they have a different set of quality players. For Mourinho read Rowett, for Solskjær read TBA, because it's not Jones. The only similarity is the way they both came blazing in on a wave of positivity and optimism. The major difference is Olë won nine of nine, Jones one of nine. The former has his players' complete backing and they dote on every word, the latter has a squad of players who by and large have no idea what he wants from them and some of them go on pitch with their own game plan, not the manager's. That is exactly as it is coming across at the moment, the players look confused as to what the hell they are supposed to be doing so revert to type, I was hoping the risk taken with NJ would pay off and it might do eventually, however at the moment he has us playing dull negative mind numbing dross relegation form football his use of subs is mind bogglingly amateur and is costing us points. He looks like a rabbit frozen in the headlights, he needs to show he has a plan to take the club forward not fcuking backwards and stick to it or I fear he will become another casualty at Fawlty Towers. |
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