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Post by LankyPotter on Feb 24, 2019 21:49:51 GMT
We have just seen an example of that a little further up the road, so it can be done. Granted they have a different set of quality players. For Mourinho read Rowett, for Solskjær read TBA, because it's not Jones. The only similarity is the way they both came blazing in on a wave of positivity and optimism. The major difference is Olë won nine of nine, Jones one of nine. The former has his players' complete backing and they dote on every word, the latter has a squad of players who by and large have no idea what he wants from them and some of them go on pitch with their own game plan, not the manager's. That is exactly as it is coming across at the moment, the players look confused as to what the hell they are supposed to be doing so revert to type, I was hoping the risk taken with NJ would pay off and it might do eventually, however at the moment he has us playing dull negative mind numbing dross relegation form football his use of subs is mind bogglingly amateur and is costing us points. He looks like a rabbit frozen in the headlights, he needs to show he has a plan to take the club forward not fcuking backwards and stick to it or I fear he will become another casualty at Fawlty Towers. Mate if the players could have kept up the tempo of the first 20 minutes we’d have smashed them. The fact is the players aren’t fit or sharp enough. He is managing with one hand tied behind his back. See the rest of this season out because we won’t get relegated and we will go again next year when we will be better prepared for the season |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 24, 2019 22:11:16 GMT
That is exactly as it is coming across at the moment, the players look confused as to what the hell they are supposed to be doing so revert to type, I was hoping the risk taken with NJ would pay off and it might do eventually, however at the moment he has us playing dull negative mind numbing dross relegation form football his use of subs is mind bogglingly amateur and is costing us points. He looks like a rabbit frozen in the headlights, he needs to show he has a plan to take the club forward not fcuking backwards and stick to it or I fear he will become another casualty at Fawlty Towers. Mate if the players could have kept up the tempo of the first 20 minutes we’d have smashed them. The fact is the players aren’t fit or sharp enough. He is managing with one hand tied behind his back. See the rest of this season out because we won’t get relegated and we will go again next year when we will be better prepared for the season Half way through the season and our players are not fit, they are professional athletes and paid as such FFS. |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Feb 24, 2019 22:24:16 GMT
Mate if the players could have kept up the tempo of the first 20 minutes we’d have smashed them. The fact is the players aren’t fit or sharp enough. He is managing with one hand tied behind his back. See the rest of this season out because we won’t get relegated and we will go again next year when we will be better prepared for the season Half way through the season and our players are not fit, they are professional athletes and paid as such FFS. Just becuase they are paid as professional athletes doesn't mean they behave like professional athletes. In fact, from what I've seen over the last three years, they behave more like spoilt children. There's quite a few of them that need there arses tanning. |
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Post by LankyPotter on Feb 24, 2019 22:24:17 GMT
Mate if the players could have kept up the tempo of the first 20 minutes we’d have smashed them. The fact is the players aren’t fit or sharp enough. He is managing with one hand tied behind his back. See the rest of this season out because we won’t get relegated and we will go again next year when we will be better prepared for the season Half way through the season and our players are not fit, they are professional athletes and paid as such FFS. It is a sad reality unfortunately but thats the situation we find ourselves in due to previous mis-management. Thats why I don’t understand why jones is getting as much stick as he has. If the players aren’t fit enough to competer for 90 minutes we won’t win games and thats cost us 4 extra points in our last two games. |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 24, 2019 22:44:11 GMT
Half way through the season and our players are not fit, they are professional athletes and paid as such FFS. Just becuase they are paid as professional athletes doesn't mean they behave like professional athletes. In fact, from what I've seen over the last three years, they behave more like spoilt children. There's quite a few of them that need there arses tanning. I agree mate but there are no problems bullshit within the group does not compute mate, there are obvious issues that need sorting out has NJ got the balls to sort it, the season is fcuked why not call a spade a spade, in my opinion he would stop all this talk of getting rid of NJ already if he had the b*llovks to expose the wasters within the group, they deserve it we owe these highly paid athletes nothing. The Hughes legacy  |
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Post by citynumberten on Feb 24, 2019 22:44:49 GMT
Wait until the cull next season. We will be promoted under Jones. What exactly are you basing that on? Have you watched any of the games since he's taken over? How about the fact that his team are still flying in the league below us? Good foundations take time. We'll reap the rewards in time. Football is not, and never has been, a game of instant gratification. We're fucking shite, weve been fucking shite for 2 and a half years. It will take massive amounts of time to fix this. |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Feb 24, 2019 22:47:23 GMT
Just becuase they are paid as professional athletes doesn't mean they behave like professional athletes. In fact, from what I've seen over the last three years, they behave more like spoilt children. There's quite a few of them that need there arses tanning. I agree mate but there are no problems bullshit within the group does not compute mate, there are obvious issues that need sorting out has NJ got the balls to sort it, the season is fcuked why not call a spade a spade, in my opinion he would stop all this talk of getting rid of NJ already if he had the b*llovks to expose the wasters within the group, they deserve it we owe these highly paid athletes nothing. The Hughes legacy I think he will throw some under the bus at the end of the season. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 24, 2019 22:56:29 GMT
What exactly are you basing that on? Have you watched any of the games since he's taken over? How about the fact that his team are still flying in the league below us? Good foundations take time. We'll reap the rewards in time. Football is not, and never has been, a game of instant gratification. We're fucking shite, weve been fucking shite for 2 and a half years. It will take massive amounts of time to fix this. League 1 is totally different to the championship. |
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Post by spiderpuss on Feb 24, 2019 22:59:49 GMT
NJ seemed to be badly unsettled by the Vokes injury yesterday. Bringing MD on didn't help at-all and yet another player who needs to find another club to ply their very limited skills come May. I hate to say this but after a couple of months, there doesn't seem to be any improvement at-all. There's maybe a little in defence but Villa and Ipswich found it all too easy still to find an equaliser. Perhaps we'd hope that after the Rowtwit show that these players could come up with something different - they can't sadly. Some of the substitution tactics were very disappointing yesterday, they added really nothing. NJ needs to show us that he can get these players fitter, much fitter. He also needs to understand his squad and how to use substitutions effectively. Playing Clucas in 3 different places looks like we have muddled thinking. Overall the jury is firmly out on his managerial capabilities. Based on what you have seen in a handful of games? Daft. Look at what he has done at Luton, simply outstanding. Luton fans came on this board and said it won't be instant. I'll go with that. I've seen probably as many games as you have including Brentford and Ipswich. What he did at Luton is totally irrelevant. I could say look what Sarri did at Napoli, it doesn't work as soon as he's at Chelsea. I'm judging him on Stoke games and performances only, that's what relevant to us. Like I said currently we are seeing negligible "improvements". I'll go with that. |
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Post by Gods on Feb 24, 2019 23:05:54 GMT
What exactly are you basing that on? Have you watched any of the games since he's taken over? How about the fact that his team are still flying in the league below us? Good foundations take time. We'll reap the rewards in time. Football is not, and never has been, a game of instant gratification. We're fucking shite, weve been fucking shite for 2 and a half years. It will take massive amounts of time to fix this. We were 9th in the Premier League in May 2016, 1 place below Liverpool and 1 place above Chelsea. |
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Post by stokefan1972 on Feb 25, 2019 0:04:11 GMT
Give NJ Time he's brilliant
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Post by Absolution on Feb 25, 2019 1:04:03 GMT
How about the fact that his team are still flying in the league below us? Good foundations take time. We'll reap the rewards in time. Football is not, and never has been, a game of instant gratification. We're fucking shite, weve been fucking shite for 2 and a half years. It will take massive amounts of time to fix this. We were 9th in the Premier League in May 2016, 1 place below Liverpool and 1 place above Chelsea. But by 24th August 2016 which is the actual two and a half year period referred to, we’d conceded four goals in four of our previous eight league games and were about to concede another two four goal drubbings in our next three league games. Do you not agree that that’s pretty shite? And to paraphrase an almost subliminal message that you've been imparting in many of your own recent postings; "if anything, it got even worse." The decline won’t be reversed quickly. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 25, 2019 6:27:17 GMT
How about the fact that his team are still flying in the league below us? Good foundations take time. We'll reap the rewards in time. Football is not, and never has been, a game of instant gratification. We're fucking shite, weve been fucking shite for 2 and a half years. It will take massive amounts of time to fix this. We were 9th in the Premier League in May 2016, 1 place below Liverpool and 1 place above Chelsea. We were awful from Feb onwards that season though. |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Feb 25, 2019 6:43:43 GMT
Just becuase they are paid as professional athletes doesn't mean they behave like professional athletes. In fact, from what I've seen over the last three years, they behave more like spoilt children. There's quite a few of them that need there arses tanning. I agree mate but there are no problems bullshit within the group does not compute mate, there are obvious issues that need sorting out has NJ got the balls to sort it, the season is fcuked why not call a spade a spade, in my opinion he would stop all this talk of getting rid of NJ already if he had the b*llovks to expose the wasters within the group, they deserve it we owe these highly paid athletes nothing. The Hughes legacy That would be a ridiculous thing to do. Why would he point out players that have a terrible attitude,when he's going to try and sell them on? It wouldn't be very clever, would it? He knows who the bad apples are but doesn't need to tell anybody outside of the club. |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 25, 2019 7:12:05 GMT
I agree mate but there are no problems bullshit within the group does not compute mate, there are obvious issues that need sorting out has NJ got the balls to sort it, the season is fcuked why not call a spade a spade, in my opinion he would stop all this talk of getting rid of NJ already if he had the b*llovks to expose the wasters within the group, they deserve it we owe these highly paid athletes nothing. The Hughes legacy That would be a ridiculous thing to do. Why would he point out players that have a terrible attitude,when he's going to try and sell them on? It wouldn't be very clever, would it? He knows who the bad apples are but doesn't need to tell anybody outside of the club. No one would want them purely on their errmmm footballing ability alone. |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Feb 25, 2019 7:29:48 GMT
That would be a ridiculous thing to do. Why would he point out players that have a terrible attitude,when he's going to try and sell them on? It wouldn't be very clever, would it? He knows who the bad apples are but doesn't need to tell anybody outside of the club. No one would want them purely on their errmmm footballing ability alone. So just tell the world they're shit? I take it you've never worked in business. |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 25, 2019 7:40:26 GMT
No one would want them purely on their errmmm footballing ability alone. So just tell the world they're shit? I take it you've never worked in business. Anyone with two eyes and any knowledge of football can see they are shit, 25 times we watched these players before signing them  |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Feb 25, 2019 8:04:03 GMT
So just tell the world they're shit? I take it you've never worked in business. Anyone with two eyes and any knowledge of football can see they are shit, 25 times we watched these players before signing them That may be so but it's hardly going to help a sale if a manager comes out and slates their attitude is it? |
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Post by citynumberten on Feb 25, 2019 8:14:10 GMT
How about the fact that his team are still flying in the league below us? Good foundations take time. We'll reap the rewards in time. Football is not, and never has been, a game of instant gratification. We're fucking shite, weve been fucking shite for 2 and a half years. It will take massive amounts of time to fix this. We were 9th in the Premier League in May 2016, 1 place below Liverpool and 1 place above Chelsea. Then we dropped like a stone. Let's not pretend that we hadn't shipped 12 goals in 3 games, drawn to bottom of the league at home then lost to Palace in April 2016... We have been completely and utterly fucking wank since then. Personally I think we've been wank since the League Cup Semi at Liverpool... |
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Post by colinroberts1 on Feb 25, 2019 8:20:17 GMT
Edward's shit pass gets himself in trouble, tries get back, can't, so should of took one for the team. 2 more of our players came across, same result,their number 22.just breezes past em.
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Post by tqstokie on Feb 25, 2019 10:57:52 GMT
Yes it was almost as if instead of putting him in row Z which Whelan would have done, they expected him to check back like Mclean or Ince. Instead he kept going ran past them all and created their equaliser.
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Post by riverman on Feb 25, 2019 11:27:06 GMT
Yes it was almost as if instead of putting him in row Z which Whelan would have done, they expected him to check back like Mclean or Ince. Instead he kept going ran past them all and created their equaliser. Must admit I berated him for it at the time but maybe it's more a lack of experience. No excuses for the rest of the shower of shit tho. |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 25, 2019 11:52:33 GMT
Anyone with two eyes and any knowledge of football can see they are shit, 25 times we watched these players before signing them That may be so but it's hardly going to help a sale if a manager comes out and slates their attitude is it? I think it is pretty common knowledge throughout football that some of our players have attitude problems, it has been alluded to by ex players, ex coaches, Tv pundits and in the case of SB splashed all over the National press, on the pitch you only have to watch the body language and antics of certain players you know who they are to ascertain their attitudes. Who in their right mind would buy these spineless bone idle wasters ?, apart of course from Stoke no one would touch them with a 10ft barge pole.
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Post by Absolution on Feb 25, 2019 11:59:27 GMT
That may be so but it's hardly going to help a sale if a manager comes out and slates their attitude is it? I think it is pretty common knowledge throughout football that some of our players have attitude problems, it has been alluded to by ex players, ex coaches, Tv pundits and in the case of SB splashed all over the National press, on the pitch you only have to watch the body language and antics of certain players you know who they are to ascertain their attitudes. Who in their right mind would buy these spineless bone idle wasters ?, apart of course from Stoke no one would touch them with a 10ft barge pole.
It’s also probably well established that we as a club have a habit of turning previously decent players into utter pish. There’ll be managers who will look at players like Woods, Etebo, Ince, Afobe, Allen, Butland, BMI, Bauer and maybe others, and think they can get a tune out of them. They don’t seem to fit together, but as individuals they’re not all complete shit. |
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Feb 25, 2019 12:23:39 GMT
Cease your post match twaddle and take some responsibility. You're completely out of your depth pal. Don't you know we're on a "journey". Players have to "buy into it" . Total fuckin nonsense!. Makes me wonder if Mick Harford had a lot of influence at Luton. Still doing ok aren't they?. We managed to recruit Paul Hart who sounds like a bloke whose escaped from a convalescent home. Riiigght, so Stoke were shit, they players are shit, Jones takes over, they’re still all shit.....and it’s Jones fault. Luton were good, going great, all players Jones signed, Jones leaves, they’re still good....it’s all Mick Harford. Makes sense. Maybe, just maybe, these bunch of absolute cunts that have the fucking front to pick up their money week in week out, are to blame. Maybe these fucking charlatans, who think they can turn in a decent 90 minutes once every two months and start shushing the fans, are the reason for our plight. Maybe these fucking imposters, this bunch of absolute thundercunts with a level of pride in their performance that is embarrassing are the root cause. A number of these shithouses have seen off 3 managers in 18 months....who’s to blame?.....must be the 4th manager |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 25, 2019 12:32:34 GMT
I think it is pretty common knowledge throughout football that some of our players have attitude problems, it has been alluded to by ex players, ex coaches, Tv pundits and in the case of SB splashed all over the National press, on the pitch you only have to watch the body language and antics of certain players you know who they are to ascertain their attitudes. Who in their right mind would buy these spineless bone idle wasters ?, apart of course from Stoke no one would touch them with a 10ft barge pole.
It’s also probably well established that we as a club have a habit of turning previously decent players into utter pish. There’ll be managers who will look at players like Woods, Etebo, Ince, Afobe, Allen, Butland, BMI, Bauer and maybe others, and think they can get a tune out of them. They don’t seem to fit together, but as individuals they’re not all complete shit. Would you say therefore that the problem with our players is therefore down to poor management/coaching and systems ? I would agree re. the above apart from Ince who has had more clubs than a professional golfer. |
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Post by Absolution on Feb 25, 2019 13:16:31 GMT
It’s also probably well established that we as a club have a habit of turning previously decent players into utter pish. There’ll be managers who will look at players like Woods, Etebo, Ince, Afobe, Allen, Butland, BMI, Bauer and maybe others, and think they can get a tune out of them. They don’t seem to fit together, but as individuals they’re not all complete shit. Would you say therefore that the problem with our players is therefore down to poor management/coaching and systems ? I would agree re. the above apart from Ince who has had more clubs than a professional golfer. To be honest, after every game I think there's a different reason why it's not working. I mean earlier in the season I'd have said our defence was so shit that every resource had to be used to plug it, and that was to the detriment of our attacking play. Now I'm thinking the defence looks more solid, but the midfield is far too lightweight collectively and is easily bossed - when was the last time you saw any of them jump to head a ball as if they actually meant to actually connect with it? Stick any one of them in a decent balanced midfield and they'd probably be OK, but all together, they're a bit powder-puff and eventually get overrun. Then you look at our attack, and we have an injured player who might do the business for us, Afobe who's the biggest disappointment of the season, and Diouf, the only player I've seen look concussed as he runs onto a pitch. You can't really hold anyone blameless, including our new manager, but 95% of the shitstorm seems to be something we can only correct during transfer windows. |
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Post by Will_75 on Feb 25, 2019 13:22:39 GMT
Don't you know we're on a "journey". Players have to "buy into it" . Total fuckin nonsense!. Makes me wonder if Mick Harford had a lot of influence at Luton. Still doing ok aren't they?. We managed to recruit Paul Hart who sounds like a bloke whose escaped from a convalescent home. Riiigght, so Stoke were shit, they players are shit, Jones takes over, they’re still all shit.....and it’s Jones fault. Luton were good, going great, all players Jones signed, Jones leaves, they’re still good....it’s all Mick Harford. Makes sense. Maybe, just maybe, these bunch of absolute cunts that have the fucking front to pick up their money week in week out, are to blame. Maybe these fucking charlatans, who think they can turn in a decent 90 minutes once every two months and start shushing the fans, are the reason for our plight. Maybe these fucking imposters, this bunch of absolute thundercunts with a level of pride in their performance that is embarrassing are the root cause. A number of these shithouses have seen off 3 managers in 18 months....who’s to blame?.....must be the 4th manager I wish I would like this more than once. |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 25, 2019 14:53:44 GMT
Would you say therefore that the problem with our players is therefore down to poor management/coaching and systems ? I would agree re. the above apart from Ince who has had more clubs than a professional golfer. To be honest, after every game I think there's a different reason why it's not working. I mean earlier in the season I'd have said our defence was so shit that every resource had to be used to plug it, and that was to the detriment of our attacking play. Now I'm thinking the defence looks more solid, but the midfield is far too lightweight collectively and is easily bossed - when was the last time you saw any of them jump to head a ball as if they actually meant to actually connect with it? Stick any one of them in a decent balanced midfield and they'd probably be OK, but all together, they're a bit powder-puff and eventually get overrun. Then you look at our attack, and we have an injured player who might do the business for us, Afobe who's the biggest disappointment of the season, and Diouf, the only player I've seen look concussed as he runs onto a pitch. You can't really hold anyone blameless, including our new manager, but 95% of the shitstorm seems to be something we can only correct during transfer windows. So it's all down to poor recruitment then, buying the wrong players to fit the system whichever system we happen to be playing at any given week, paying massively over the odds for poor footballers like JMC, Afobe, Ince, Clucas, Wimmer, Imbula, Berahino and on the list goes, selling our best players below market value, bringing players here who even though watched 25 times and signed off by whichever manager we happen to have in place who have shit attitudes. No point hoping we will correct the shitstorm during any transfer window whilst we have the "process" in place, with Laurel and Hardy lining up the replacements and a patsy of a manager insisting they trust the transfer team, players we can not sell because they are toss or have toss attitudes we are well and truly shafted. We needed a strong manager who would stand up against the hierarchy at the club, which is probably why we ended up with yes men and a football team fit for nothing other than the waste bin.
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Post by colinroberts1 on Feb 25, 2019 14:56:24 GMT
Yes it was almost as if instead of putting him in row Z which Whelan would have done, they expected him to check back like Mclean or Ince. Instead he kept going ran past them all and created their equaliser. Must admit I berated him for it at the time but maybe it's more a lack of experience. No excuses for the rest of the shower of shit tho. He should be experienced enough to not let his man just get away, don't try pulling him back, take him down... |
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