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Post by callas12 on Feb 22, 2019 0:54:03 GMT
It backs up exactly what I posted when Rowett was manager that I was told via a friend of Rowett. Obviously we must be deceived by the good character reputation of some players. Again I was not told names but that there were players in the dressing room who refused to cooperate with the manager and did their own thing on the field disregarding what they'd done in training. As before no doubt I will be told to name names or I'm making it up but no names were mentioned or known by my friend but as Lawrence says I was told that I would be shocked by what was going on. There are too many rumours of this nature for there to be no truth in it and it would explain why two managers with good reputations have criticised players for making the same mistakes over and over again and not sticking to tactics and bemoaning the lack of good characters. It seems to be taking a very long time for supposed top quality experienced players to grasp how to play in the diamond formation. Perhaps that reflects the amount of application they put into training. When Rowett was first appointed I was told by an ex Burton player, a bit of a journeyman that Rowett was by far the best manager he ever played for. Perhaps instead of blaming the managers we should realise what is going on and question more about how the character of players is researched before they are signed. This also ties in with what Id heard at the time regarding Rowetts tenure and posted on here about.. No names were spoke of but it was simply put that Rowett was desperate to leave, said the club was toxic from top to bottom and that the majority of the players weren't interested at all and were just happy to be collecting their handsome pay cheques. All of which seems a pretty accurate assessment to date! A club doesn't simply crash and burn as quickly as we have without something serious going on behind the scenes. Alot of the club's who've fallen from grace have had power struggles, financial issues or years of worsening fortunes and factors leading to their demise. Well finances definately arent a factor with our current owners, the powers that be at Stoke are doing well to keep a lid on the real factors and goings on, but for how long can they keep it on for?!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 22, 2019 0:55:28 GMT
Vokes looks like he'd rather be queuing to return a 10 quid lamp in a 600 metre queue at Ikea on a Sunday morning than play for Stoke so far to me. How interesting. So glad that you gave us the benefit of your, shall we say, "vivid" imagination. My pleasure, clem. Always willing to educate pro bono.
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Post by onefatcopper on Feb 22, 2019 1:01:14 GMT
I like Liam and enjoy his punditry, where his passion for the club and it’s fans are self evident, BUT come on Liam what are you cryptically on about ? Worst dressing room ever, players arriving for training late, wish Glenn was still there to sort them out ? These are old rumours that are probably true and have been circulating since the first game at Leeds. If you have got a story just tell us, we can take it ! But stop putting yourself into a position of self importance just to fill your article for the local rag, we have Martin Spinks occupying that role already. Your time has been and gone, and your not that important in the future of Stoke, you are just like most of us I’m afraid Clueless ! If you genuinely have a story just name names, what are you frightened of, a stadium ban ? You should be so lucky !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 1:05:08 GMT
I like Liam and enjoy his punditry, where his passion for the club and it’s fans are self evident, BUT come on Liam what are you cryptically on about ? Worst dressing room ever, players arriving for training late, wish Glenn was still there to sort them out ? These are old rumours that are probably true and have been circulating since the first game at Leeds. If you have got a story just tell us, we can take it ! But stop putting yourself into a position of self importance just to fill your article for the local rag, we have Martin Spinks occupying that role already. Your time has been and gone, and your not that important in the future of Stoke, you are just like most of us I’m afraid Clueless ! If you genuinely have a story just name names, what are you frightened of, a stadium ban ? You should be so lucky ! But apart from everything that you describe - You like Liam?
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Post by onefatcopper on Feb 22, 2019 1:17:58 GMT
I like Liam and enjoy his punditry, where his passion for the club and it’s fans are self evident, BUT come on Liam what are you cryptically on about ? Worst dressing room ever, players arriving for training late, wish Glenn was still there to sort them out ? These are old rumours that are probably true and have been circulating since the first game at Leeds. If you have got a story just tell us, we can take it ! But stop putting yourself into a position of self importance just to fill your article for the local rag, we have Martin Spinks occupying that role already. Your time has been and gone, and your not that important in the future of Stoke, you are just like most of us I’m afraid Clueless ! If you genuinely have a story just name names, what are you frightened of, a stadium ban ? You should be so lucky ! But apart from everything that you describe - You like Liam? I like his passion for the club and it’s fans, and I can relate to these deep rooted feelings, but basically he is in the same boat as the rest of us, circulating second hand rumours and gossip ! And until Liam names -names, How can we take his journalism seriously ?
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Post by callas12 on Feb 22, 2019 1:23:23 GMT
Wheres Nigel Gleghorn when we need him, sure he'd name names & tell it how it is! Great pundit who got unfairly binned off for giving his true held opinion..
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 22, 2019 1:33:50 GMT
Why not just name them then? He's done this before, says a load of vague nonsense but doesn't actually come out with anything.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 2:54:58 GMT
But apart from everything that you describe - You like Liam? I like his passion for the club and it’s fans, and I can relate to these deep rooted feelings, but basically he is in the same boat as the rest of us, circulating second hand rumours and gossip ! And until Liam names -names, How can we take his journalism seriously ? We don't get paid to circulate rumours.
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Post by greyman on Feb 22, 2019 6:16:14 GMT
How interesting. So glad that you gave us the benefit of your, shall we say, "vivid" imagination. My pleasure, clem. Always willing to educate pro bono. This reminds me of that time you said you hoped we'd get relegated so a certain manager could come back because he's bigger than the club. If you deny you said it, that just proves you said it. *How this works.
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Post by questionable on Feb 22, 2019 6:47:04 GMT
So we pay a CEO to let this go on for what 3 years and let their toxic poison carry on, you can pretty much guess who these players are as they’ve not been playing.
So our stance is to banish them to the U23 and replace them with worse players or to let them go out on loan pay most of their wages and not replace them at all leaving an unbalanced squad.
Sorry but this mess is straight from the top and their doing but obviously the project is working well as we watch players for a number of games and no doubt check behind the scenes about their personalities given the fact we’re paying vastly bloated transfer fees for them.
I can see the club being up for sale soon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 7:06:31 GMT
Nothing new in that article. I think most know we have a bunch of mercenaries that dont give a flying fcuk. Shane we haven’t been able to find a manager in over 18 months to sort them out. Seriously why has it been allowed? My impression has been lack of ability, rather than a bunch of arseholes though. The in-your-face wankers like Jese and Choupo have gone and we were led to believe Rowett was going for good characters to graft on to some of the old guard. If you go through the squad one-by-one, wankers don't jump off the screen at you. McClean is polarising - but not because of his professionalism. That's never been questioned by anyone that I've seen. Lawrence has waxed lyrical about Woods. Jones says Etebo has been terrific. Who are we left with, apart from Berahino? The only ones I've got no opinion on are Clucas, Ince (who Rowett knew and had worked with before) and Afobe. My impression of them is negative, but that could be off-base, and surely that's not enough to sour a dressing room. And they keep getting picked. Clucas is the only one who's played every minute, and the other 2 are routinely selected ahead of perceived model pros Diouf and Bojan (mind you so was Berahino, so who knows?) Afobe doesn't keep being picked. He's a fringe player, of whom it's been said, on here, he never wanted to come to Stoke. He may be a broken man because of the way Wolves treated him. His appearances and the one full game suggest that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 7:29:03 GMT
It backs up exactly what I posted when Rowett was manager that I was told via a friend of Rowett. Obviously we must be deceived by the good character reputation of some players. Again I was not told names but that there were players in the dressing room who refused to cooperate with the manager and did their own thing on the field disregarding what they'd done in training. As before no doubt I will be told to name names or I'm making it up but no names were mentioned or known by my friend but as Lawrence says I was told that I would be shocked by what was going on. There are too many rumours of this nature for there to be no truth in it and it would explain why two managers with good reputations have criticised players for making the same mistakes over and over again and not sticking to tactics and bemoaning the lack of good characters. It seems to be taking a very long time for supposed top quality experienced players to grasp how to play in the diamond formation. Perhaps that reflects the amount of application they put into training. When Rowett was first appointed I was told by an ex Burton player, a bit of a journeyman that Rowett was by far the best manager he ever played for. Perhaps instead of blaming the managers we should realise what is going on and question more about how the character of players is researched before they are signed. It's consistent with what Adam said in his radio interviews - for which he was heavily criticized.
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Post by Dresden_scfc on Feb 22, 2019 7:34:48 GMT
Hopefully this story will show in the summer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 7:35:24 GMT
Vokes looks like he'd rather be queuing to return a 10 quid lamp in a 600 metre queue at Ikea on a Sunday morning than play for Stoke so far to me. He could probably get service at the end of that line sooner than he'd be serviced by one of our midfielders.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 22, 2019 7:36:53 GMT
My impression has been lack of ability, rather than a bunch of arseholes though. The in-your-face wankers like Jese and Choupo have gone and we were led to believe Rowett was going for good characters to graft on to some of the old guard. If you go through the squad one-by-one, wankers don't jump off the screen at you. McClean is polarising - but not because of his professionalism. That's never been questioned by anyone that I've seen. Lawrence has waxed lyrical about Woods. Jones says Etebo has been terrific. Who are we left with, apart from Berahino? The only ones I've got no opinion on are Clucas, Ince (who Rowett knew and had worked with before) and Afobe. My impression of them is negative, but that could be off-base, and surely that's not enough to sour a dressing room. And they keep getting picked. Clucas is the only one who's played every minute, and the other 2 are routinely selected ahead of perceived model pros Diouf and Bojan (mind you so was Berahino, so who knows?) Afobe doesn't keep being picked. He's a fringe player, of whom it's been said, on here, he never wanted to come to Stoke. He may be a broken man because of the way Wolves treated him. His appearances and the one full game suggest that. He wasn't signed to be a fringe player. He was signed to be the main man. He's comprehensively played his way out of the team.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 7:46:19 GMT
Afobe doesn't keep being picked. He's a fringe player, of whom it's been said, on here, he never wanted to come to Stoke. He may be a broken man because of the way Wolves treated him. His appearances and the one full game suggest that. He wasn't signed to be a fringe player. He was signed to be the main man. He's comprehensively played his way out of the team. Because he doesn't want to be here.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 22, 2019 7:48:26 GMT
He wasn't signed to be a fringe player. He was signed to be the main man. He's comprehensively played his way out of the team. Because he doesn't want to be here. Quite possibly. Another fine piece of business from Gary 'smooth operator' Rowett.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 22, 2019 7:51:19 GMT
My pleasure, clem. Always willing to educate pro bono. This reminds me of that time you said you hoped we'd get relegated so a certain manager could come back because he's bigger than the club. If you deny you said it, that just proves you said it. *How this works. Just like when you missed us getting promoted to make a childish point about a great manager in our history to fellate a fat nobody in our history. Oh hang on....that is actually true isn't it!
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Post by theteacher on Feb 22, 2019 8:18:48 GMT
Liam could just come out and say. Player 1 did this on three occasions, Player 2 doesn’t do that etc. etc. he doesn’t need to give names but can tell the stories he has heard and that would probably just about keep those critical off his back. Otherwise he should just have kept quiet.
If a manager is facing such a dressing room problem he would be better just to banish the problem players from the main group. The bomb squad. Whatever we feel about Lambert I was always of the opinion that he should have been given this season to cleanse the dressing room of the problem players. I did feel he was the right man to tackle such a task. Whether he was a long term manager or not is a different issue but in the short term he would have tackled the issues we appear to have.
The club and the fans need to support Nathan Jones to turn the club around. I am confident he has it in him but it will take time and patience.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 22, 2019 8:24:44 GMT
My impression has been lack of ability, rather than a bunch of arseholes though. The in-your-face wankers like Jese and Choupo have gone and we were led to believe Rowett was going for good characters to graft on to some of the old guard. If you go through the squad one-by-one, wankers don't jump off the screen at you. McClean is polarising - but not because of his professionalism. That's never been questioned by anyone that I've seen. Lawrence has waxed lyrical about Woods. Jones says Etebo has been terrific. Who are we left with, apart from Berahino? The only ones I've got no opinion on are Clucas, Ince (who Rowett knew and had worked with before) and Afobe. My impression of them is negative, but that could be off-base, and surely that's not enough to sour a dressing room. And they keep getting picked. Clucas is the only one who's played every minute, and the other 2 are routinely selected ahead of perceived model pros Diouf and Bojan (mind you so was Berahino, so who knows?) Afobe doesn't keep being picked. He's a fringe player, of whom it's been said, on here, he never wanted to come to Stoke. He may be a broken man because of the way Wolves treated him. His appearances and the one full game suggest that. Was just making the point that if you're looking at his selections as any kind of guide as to who this alleged "eye-watering behaviour" was coming from, Afobe has been in the 18 for every game under the new manager, and has come onto the pitch in every one bar West Brom. He's even been used for over an hour as a makeshift winger in the past 2 games when other selections were available if we wanted to avoid problem players wherever possible. Doesn't scream out at you that Jones is dissatisfied with his behaviour off the pitch, whatever his continued big shortcomings on it. If I was a new manager, the first thing I'd do if there were big problem players around the club was remove them from the matchday squad. But the ones that has happened to (Pieters, Diouf, Fletcher) don't exactly seem to be complete shits And even one who was identified as a potential problem by the last regime has been brought back into the fold. It's possible the ones causing the problems aren't ones we'd predict. Or the whole thing's been overblown. I still think the main problem is we just aren't very good
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Feb 22, 2019 8:49:41 GMT
Didn’t Liam star in a sex tape during his Sunderland days?
It’s alright casting judgement now though...
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Feb 22, 2019 8:49:42 GMT
As I said a couple of days ago. There's huge unrest at the club and I would not be surprised in the slightest if there's a couple of players and one member of senior management team who is asked to leave. I can tell you for a fact that Joe Allen has made his views known and if certain players are not given the boot, he wants to leave.
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Post by greyman on Feb 22, 2019 8:56:17 GMT
This reminds me of that time you said you hoped we'd get relegated so a certain manager could come back because he's bigger than the club. If you deny you said it, that just proves you said it. *How this works. Just like when you missed us getting promoted to make a childish point about a great manager in our history to fellate a fat nobody in our history. Oh hang on....that is actually true isn't it! You're going to have to try much harder.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 22, 2019 9:01:24 GMT
So we have a squad full of trouble makers,Shit players,players who don't give a Shit about Stoke City,players who don't want to be here,plus players who are not even at the club,but costing the club a fortune.
The only constant in this total fuck up are,Coates Sr.and Jr.Scholes and Cartwright.
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Post by stokeykez on Feb 22, 2019 9:08:16 GMT
As I said a couple of days ago. There's huge unrest at the club and I would not be surprised in the slightest if there's a couple of players and one member of senior management team who is asked to leave. I can tell you for a fact that Joe Allen has made his views known and if certain players are not given the boot, he wants to leave. Is Joe Allen trying to be the consumate professional in all this and trying to highlight the ones who are not in itndir the right reasons. Joe seems like he would give it all for the club especially in the light of staying after relegation. For me there seems an absolute arrogance about the squad, they have been completely taken by surprise by the extra work, training, games, effort and commitment and players are swanning round still thinking they're on the prem bandwagon, thinking they are prem players who shouldnt be where they are. I think players like diouf, bojan, fletcher, pieters, butland should be moved on permanently. Speaking of wafting arrogance I'm hanging my hat on that fat prick Cartwright being out the door, looks like he wants to be one of the lads rather than senior management. Tell me I'm right fish
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Post by chigstoke on Feb 22, 2019 9:19:56 GMT
Didn’t Liam star in a sex tape during his Sunderland days? It’s alright casting judgement now though... Yep, it was called 'Professional Footballers Have a Gang Bang', I think
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 22, 2019 9:27:55 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 22, 2019 9:31:27 GMT
Didn’t Liam star in a sex tape during his Sunderland days? It’s alright casting judgement now though... Indeed he did. Was caught roasting someone (and I'm not talking electric ovens here)
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 22, 2019 9:33:11 GMT
Ooh, interesting. Sounds like he thinks it's a load of guff then.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 22, 2019 9:35:49 GMT
It’s probably cause Adam reckons it was all Shaqiri’s fault.
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