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Post by shrewspotter on Feb 21, 2019 20:10:43 GMT
Well we know one is Berahino. I could guess two or three others
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 20:13:55 GMT
This is a far cry from real journalism. This is school playground tittle tattle. We are not going to be shocked - because he isn't going to tell.
Well he probably can't tell, because it comes to him second hand. He has only "heard" things about this squad. In other words - pure speculative gossip.
Lawrence is now and always has been a fucking idiot.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 21, 2019 20:14:08 GMT
The accusations of 'in my day'ism' and 'shit or get off the pot', are all valid but it is very obviously the case isn't it. It oozes out of ever pore of this team, bad attitudes, rifts, an absolute refusal to take responsibility for the position we're in and gesticulating and chuntering at the crowd.
It's an obviously malignant and toxic environment and that's one of the main reasons its absolute dogs piss on the pitch
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 21, 2019 20:14:48 GMT
Nothing new in that article. I think most know we have a bunch of mercenaries that dont give a flying fcuk. Shane we haven’t been able to find a manager in over 18 months to sort them out. Seriously why has it been allowed? My impression has been lack of ability, rather than a bunch of arseholes though. The in-your-face wankers like Jese and Choupo have gone and we were led to believe Rowett was going for good characters to graft on to some of the old guard. If you go through the squad one-by-one, wankers don't jump off the screen at you. McClean is polarising - but not because of his professionalism. That's never been questioned by anyone that I've seen. Lawrence has waxed lyrical about Woods. Jones says Etebo has been terrific. Who are we left with, apart from Berahino? The only ones I've got no opinion on are Clucas, Ince (who Rowett knew and had worked with before) and Afobe. My impression of them is negative, but that could be off-base, and surely that's not enough to sour a dressing room. And they keep getting picked. Clucas is the only one who's played every minute, and the other 2 are routinely selected ahead of perceived model pros Diouf and Bojan (mind you so was Berahino, so who knows?)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 20:19:33 GMT
Nothing new in that article. I think most know we have a bunch of mercenaries that dont give a flying fcuk. Shane we haven’t been able to find a manager in over 18 months to sort them out. Seriously why has it been allowed? My impression has been lack of ability, rather than a bunch of arseholes though. The in-your-face wankers like Jese and Choupo have gone and we were led to believe Rowett was going for good characters to graft on to some of the old guard. If you go through the squad one-by-one, wankers don't jump off the screen at you. McClean is polarising - but not because of his professionalism. That's never been questioned by anyone that I've seen. Lawrence has waxed lyrical about Woods. Jones says Etebo has been terrific. Who are we left with, apart from Berahino? The only ones I've got no opinion on are Clucas, Ince (who Rowett knew and had worked with before) and Afobe. My impression of them is negative, but that could be off-base, and surely that's not enough to sour a dressing room. And they keep getting picked. Clucas is the only one who's played every minute, and the other 2 are routinely selected ahead of perceived model pros Diouf and Bojan (mind you so was Berahino, so who knows?) Could it possibly be that the Sentnull have released this tripe purely to sell a paper or two. Lawrence, being the brain dead turd that he is, is happy to go along with them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 20:25:03 GMT
The article is quite hard to draw any conclusions from because we don’t know how far back or what he is referring to. The berahino saga has revived this subject but what I can say is, for me, it shows how badly we are crying out for some stability. Jones is the man who has the task of managing us long term (I think he will succeed based on track record and also his core values). He needs time to route out the players he doesn’t like the look of for his own footballing reasons and Squad balance. Very rarely does a frail dressing room get anywhere in football, as we have and are proving this year. Stability was our trademark, we did it better than most and that was the platform to our success at the start and for the majority of the premier league years, so whether you think it was the right appointment or not we have to give jones time to build his squad and personally id be surprised if we are anywhere near as poor as we have been this season. He says that he is referring to " this dressing room. Present tense.
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 21, 2019 20:27:27 GMT
I'm reasonably surprised by this, because I really did think most of the bad eggs were gone. I just thought what we had now was a scary lack of ability. Aside from Berahino (who hasn't lacked effort when he's played this season), I'm struggling to really identify 'wasters' as such. Bauer is one that Lawrence has mentioned previously as a problem, which is at odds with the way he was perceived last season. Butland? Never seen him as a particular problem. McClean, whatever your views on him, seems a good pro. As does Indi, who's been given the captaincy by successive managers in one-off games. Shawcross' character is unimpeachable. Edwards, no issues. Fletcher? No problem. Model pro. Williams? Wouldn't have thought so. Been a captain through his career. Adam? Wouldn't have thought so. Diouf? Not one you'd point to, although seems to be in a Bomb Squad now. Bojan? Wouldn't have thought so. Woods? Lawrence has previously vouched for him. Vokes and Batth seem good eggs. Clucas? Afobe? Ince? Well, they keep getting picked. And Rowett knew, and had worked with, Ince previously. Etebo? Unlikely. Jones was talking very positively about him last week But being as he has a direct line to Delap, Shawcross and Woods, it does probably explain why we are where we are.This makes even more problems because it suggests the information has come from one of those three. All Lawrence has done has created even further divisions at the club. Wholly irresponsible really. Jones really has taken on an almighty task but I certainly think he's the manager that can change the culture around the club.
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Post by Absolution on Feb 21, 2019 20:32:37 GMT
What we need is a Charlie Adam autobiography, sooner rather than later.
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Post by LankyPotter on Feb 21, 2019 20:32:59 GMT
The article is quite hard to draw any conclusions from because we don’t know how far back or what he is referring to. The berahino saga has revived this subject but what I can say is, for me, it shows how badly we are crying out for some stability. Jones is the man who has the task of managing us long term (I think he will succeed based on track record and also his core values). He needs time to route out the players he doesn’t like the look of for his own footballing reasons and Squad balance. Very rarely does a frail dressing room get anywhere in football, as we have and are proving this year. Stability was our trademark, we did it better than most and that was the platform to our success at the start and for the majority of the premier league years, so whether you think it was the right appointment or not we have to give jones time to build his squad and personally id be surprised if we are anywhere near as poor as we have been this season. He says that he is referring to " this dressing room. Present tense. The majority of dressing room is the same and has been the same for some time to be fair.
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Post by wilcopotter on Feb 21, 2019 20:33:06 GMT
It’ll be interesting to see how things look in 6 months time. Who’s gone, who’s in etc. Hopefully we can consolidate a bit then and move forward. This season nearly as bad as last.
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Post by neddy on Feb 21, 2019 20:33:48 GMT
Shocked by this as the irony is there is hardly anyone left from the relegation season with Bera out if the way so us he implying it’s players signed since Rowett?
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Post by bloodtypered on Feb 21, 2019 20:34:26 GMT
Im sure NJ will sort it
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Feb 21, 2019 20:37:20 GMT
What i do not get about all this is just what goes on upstairs this is a business as such & run by some very wealthy people why have they allowed all this crap to go on right under there noses. Have they lost interest because if all Lawrence is saying is true it seems like it to me.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Feb 21, 2019 20:44:35 GMT
"When I was playing we wouldn't dare go out on the piss on a Monday night, it was all wholesome team building activities like gang banging teenage girls and posting a video of it on the internet."
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 21, 2019 20:50:07 GMT
Even more reason to allow Jones time to sort it.
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Feb 21, 2019 20:53:42 GMT
Why not just name them then? He’d never be allowed in the press box again?
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Post by greenhoff on Feb 21, 2019 21:09:19 GMT
What i do not get about all this is just what goes on upstairs this is a business as such & run by some very wealthy people why have they allowed all this crap to go on right under there noses. Have they lost interest because if all Lawrence is saying is true it seems like it to me. Lost interest? Fifty odd million quid says they haven't
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Post by greenhoff on Feb 21, 2019 21:09:51 GMT
Why not just name them then? He’d never be allowed in the press box again? Theres a good chance he won't anyway
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 21, 2019 21:16:00 GMT
What a fuckin sad state of affairs and I would imagine Lawrence’s anger is genuine because of his time at the club.
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Post by neddy on Feb 21, 2019 21:17:46 GMT
What a fuckin sad state of affairs and I would imagine Lawrence’s anger is genuine because of his time at the club. I agree but I think he is treading a fine line re journalist or ex caring player?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 21:20:08 GMT
Could be potentially libellous. Sentinel aren't going to take a risk on printing stories based on tittle tattle. So to sell a few more papers, whilst avoiding a libel suit, they say "We know something that you don't and we aren't going to tell you" Pretty much what I was pointing at!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 21:22:18 GMT
What a fuckin sad state of affairs and I would imagine Lawrence’s anger is genuine because of his time at the club. I agree but I think he is treading a fine line re journalist or ex caring player? Neither. Complete knob.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 21:23:37 GMT
I think he's probably referring to players out on loan who are still stoke players, and the likes of Afobe, Berahino and we have heard in recent days dissatisfaction from bojan and diouf who have bade it clear they aren't happy.
Under rowett we know affellay, badou, imbula, were problems.
I think the dressing room on Saturday will be a good one, just filled with shit players
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Post by stantheman on Feb 21, 2019 21:31:02 GMT
My impression has been lack of ability, rather than a bunch of arseholes though. The in-your-face wankers like Jese and Choupo have gone and we were led to believe Rowett was going for good characters to graft on to some of the old guard. If you go through the squad one-by-one, wankers don't jump off the screen at you. McClean is polarising - but not because of his professionalism. That's never been questioned by anyone that I've seen. Lawrence has waxed lyrical about Woods. Jones says Etebo has been terrific. Who are we left with, apart from Berahino? The only ones I've got no opinion on are Clucas, Ince (who Rowett knew and had worked with before) and Afobe. My impression of them is negative, but that could be off-base, and surely that's not enough to sour a dressing room. And they keep getting picked. Clucas is the only one who's played every minute, and the other 2 are routinely selected ahead of perceived model pros Diouf and Bojan (mind you so was Berahino, so who knows?) Could it possibly be that the Sentnull have released this tripe purely to sell a paper or two. Lawrence, being the brain dead turd that he is, is happy to go along with them. Wow, brain dead turd? I just love this message board
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Post by tony1234 on Feb 21, 2019 21:32:32 GMT
Okay, aside multi-award winning knob of the year, SB..... what of
1) Pieters. Might that explain his otherwise inexplicable exit? 2) Bauer. Its often the quiet ones. Perhaps totally demotivated at being a) here, b) replaced by Cuckoo, c) overlooked
Buck stops at the top of the club though: The fact they didn't formally warn SB about his previous indiscretions shows the dearth of professionalism and process and the type of culture that exists there. Rather than getting him his own coach of the training sort, it should have been of the transportation sort. No manager should have been burdened with that sack of human effluence.
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Post by andystokey on Feb 21, 2019 21:32:40 GMT
One thing is for sure every dressing room needs at least one player that won't take the shit. We haven't got a single player of the calibre of Whelan who has the balls to say "not on my watch you won't"
I was at that game when Abdoulaye warmed up in his flip flops. He might have been a limited footballer but taking on Faye of all people tells you the steel of the man. It nearly kicked off between them on the pitch.
One old school real leader in the dressing room would've kept us up last year. Someone willing to say if you dont care about the badge, the manager or the fans you arent doing it in a team I play in. Every club needs at least one. Huth, Walters, Whelan. We haven't had one of them for far too long.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 21, 2019 21:35:18 GMT
One thing is for sure every dressing room needs at least one player that won't take the shit. We haven't got a single player of the calibre of Whelan who has the balls to say "not on my watch you won't" I was at that game when Abdoulaye warmed up in his flip flops. He might have been a limited footballer but taking on Faye of all people tells you the steel of the man. It nearly kicked off between them on the pitch. One old school real leader in the dressing room would've kept us up last year. Someone willing to say if you dont care about the badge, the manager or the fans you arent doing it in a team I play in. Every club needs at least one. Huth, Walters, Whelan. We haven't had one of them for far too long. Spot on mate but some on here won’t want or even like hearing that
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 21, 2019 21:45:28 GMT
One thing is for sure every dressing room needs at least one player that won't take the shit. We haven't got a single player of the calibre of Whelan who has the balls to say "not on my watch you won't" I was at that game when Abdoulaye warmed up in his flip flops. He might have been a limited footballer but taking on Faye of all people tells you the steel of the man. It nearly kicked off between them on the pitch. One old school real leader in the dressing room would've kept us up last year. Someone willing to say if you dont care about the badge, the manager or the fans you arent doing it in a team I play in. Every club needs at least one. Huth, Walters, Whelan. We haven't had one of them for far too long. Spot on mate but some on here won’t want or even like hearing that Sad indictment of Shawcross & Adam then.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 21, 2019 21:54:21 GMT
Spot on mate but some on here won’t want or even like hearing that Sad indictment of Shawcross & Adam then. Yes maybe so mate but some are cut out for it and some aren’t just like in any workplace environment.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 21, 2019 21:57:16 GMT
Sad indictment of Shawcross & Adam then. Yes maybe so mate but some are cut out for it and some aren’t just like in any workplace environment. All I hear is Ryan is a great Captain. Apparently not.
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