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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 21, 2019 21:57:38 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 21, 2019 21:58:22 GMT
Yes maybe so mate but some are cut out for it and some aren’t just like in any workplace environment. All I hear is Ryan is a great Captain. Apparently not. He’s never ever been a vocal captain
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 21, 2019 21:59:45 GMT
We’ve totally lost control of th3 PR agenda now , another management disaster
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Post by fca47 on Feb 21, 2019 22:39:14 GMT
Not interested in hearing this, if you are not willing to name names you're just mischief making. Put up or shut up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 22:47:30 GMT
Not interested in hearing this, if you are not willing to name names you're just mischief making. Put up or shut up. Exactly. With our match against Villa, and the return of Glen Whelan in the offing, he timed his shit bomb to perfection.
Pathetic. No other word for it.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 21, 2019 23:07:38 GMT
It backs up exactly what I posted when Rowett was manager that I was told via a friend of Rowett. Obviously we must be deceived by the good character reputation of some players. Again I was not told names but that there were players in the dressing room who refused to cooperate with the manager and did their own thing on the field disregarding what they'd done in training. As before no doubt I will be told to name names or I'm making it up but no names were mentioned or known by my friend but as Lawrence says I was told that I would be shocked by what was going on.
There are too many rumours of this nature for there to be no truth in it and it would explain why two managers with good reputations have criticised players for making the same mistakes over and over again and not sticking to tactics and bemoaning the lack of good characters. It seems to be taking a very long time for supposed top quality experienced players to grasp how to play in the diamond formation. Perhaps that reflects the amount of application they put into training. When Rowett was first appointed I was told by an ex Burton player, a bit of a journeyman that Rowett was by far the best manager he ever played for.
Perhaps instead of blaming the managers we should realise what is going on and question more about how the character of players is researched before they are signed.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 21, 2019 23:15:11 GMT
It backs up exactly what I posted when Rowett was manager that I was told via a friend of Rowett. Obviously we must be deceived by the good character reputation of some players. Again I was not told names but that there were players in the dressing room who refused to cooperate with the manager and did their own thing on the field disregarding what they'd done in training. As before no doubt I will be told to name names or I'm making it up but no names were mentioned or known by my friend but as Lawrence says I was told that I would be shocked by what was going on. There are too many rumours of this nature for there to be no truth in it and it would explain why two managers with good reputations have criticised players for making the same mistakes over and over again and not sticking to tactics and bemoaning the lack of good characters. It seems to be taking a very long time for supposed top quality experienced players to grasp how to play in the diamond formation. Perhaps that reflects the amount of application they put into training. When Rowett was first appointed I was told by an ex Burton player, a bit of a journeyman that Rowett was by far the best manager he ever played for. Perhaps instead of blaming the managers we should realise what is going on and question more about how the character of players is researched before they are signed. Some of the worst offenders on the pitch have been players Rowett signed.
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Post by musik on Feb 21, 2019 23:24:27 GMT
Would this affect my tipping? :Possibly yes. Maybe the crisis is bigger than I first thought.
Could this be solved during the summer? :No, not really IF we are bound to keep the troublemakers according to the contracts.
Who are they? :If we assume Nathan knows, obviously the ones who aren't playing - OR, as soon as we have enough points to survive, the ones who are out then.
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Post by Gods on Feb 21, 2019 23:33:45 GMT
It backs up exactly what I posted when Rowett was manager that I was told via a friend of Rowett. Obviously we must be deceived by the good character reputation of some players. Again I was not told names but that there were players in the dressing room who refused to cooperate with the manager and did their own thing on the field disregarding what they'd done in training. As before no doubt I will be told to name names or I'm making it up but no names were mentioned or known by my friend but as Lawrence says I was told that I would be shocked by what was going on. There are too many rumours of this nature for there to be no truth in it and it would explain why two managers with good reputations have criticised players for making the same mistakes over and over again and not sticking to tactics and bemoaning the lack of good characters. It seems to be taking a very long time for supposed top quality experienced players to grasp how to play in the diamond formation. Perhaps that reflects the amount of application they put into training. When Rowett was first appointed I was told by an ex Burton player, a bit of a journeyman that Rowett was by far the best manager he ever played for. Perhaps instead of blaming the managers we should realise what is going on and question more about how the character of players is researched before they are signed. There was only 4 players (Butland, Edwards, BMI and Allen) in the starting line up in our last 2 matches against Wigan and Ipswich who were not signed by either Gazza Rowett or Nathan Jones. Our 2 latest managers are front and centre of the shit sandwich currently being served up. They signed most of the players for heavens sake.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 21, 2019 23:34:13 GMT
I was first told about the terrible dressing room when Rowett had only been manager for a few, weeks and when the only signing we'd made was Etebo so I'm assuming the summer signings are not the root cause of the toxic atmosphere. The actual quote I was told was 'it is by a long way the worst dressing room he has ever encountered as a player or manager and you wouldn't believe what goes on.' My mutual friend of Rowett didn't know if he'd offered to resign after two weeks but wouldn't have been surprised. She said 'They're horrid'
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 21, 2019 23:39:17 GMT
It backs up exactly what I posted when Rowett was manager that I was told via a friend of Rowett. Obviously we must be deceived by the good character reputation of some players. Again I was not told names but that there were players in the dressing room who refused to cooperate with the manager and did their own thing on the field disregarding what they'd done in training. As before no doubt I will be told to name names or I'm making it up but no names were mentioned or known by my friend but as Lawrence says I was told that I would be shocked by what was going on. There are too many rumours of this nature for there to be no truth in it and it would explain why two managers with good reputations have criticised players for making the same mistakes over and over again and not sticking to tactics and bemoaning the lack of good characters. It seems to be taking a very long time for supposed top quality experienced players to grasp how to play in the diamond formation. Perhaps that reflects the amount of application they put into training. When Rowett was first appointed I was told by an ex Burton player, a bit of a journeyman that Rowett was by far the best manager he ever played for. Perhaps instead of blaming the managers we should realise what is going on and question more about how the character of players is researched before they are signed. Mate there was only 4 players (Butland, Edwards, BMI and Allen) in the starting line up in our last 2 matches against Wigan and Ipswich who were not signed by either Gazza Rowett or Nathan Jones. Our 2 latest managers are front and centre of the shit sandwich currently being served up. They signed most of the players for heavens sake. They don't have to be playing to be causing the trouble. In fact I would say the exact opposite. A manager isn't going to pick the players who are making his life difficult. It might explain why some of the team selections seem strange to us fans and we should be looking at the ones who are not playing or who have been moved on.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 23:43:58 GMT
Mate there was only 4 players (Butland, Edwards, BMI and Allen) in the starting line up in our last 2 matches against Wigan and Ipswich who were not signed by either Gazza Rowett or Nathan Jones. Our 2 latest managers are front and centre of the shit sandwich currently being served up. They signed most of the players for heavens sake. They don't have to be playing to be causing the trouble. In fact I would say the exact opposite. A manager isn't going to pick the players who are making his life difficult. It might explain why some of the team selections seem strange to us fans and we should be looking at the ones who are not playing or who have been moved on. I'm not doubting your honesty, but come on! Names?
We apparently are now getting the "full story" - without one vital factor.
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Post by Gods on Feb 21, 2019 23:49:20 GMT
Mate there was only 4 players (Butland, Edwards, BMI and Allen) in the starting line up in our last 2 matches against Wigan and Ipswich who were not signed by either Gazza Rowett or Nathan Jones. Our 2 latest managers are front and centre of the shit sandwich currently being served up. They signed most of the players for heavens sake. They don't have to be playing to be causing the trouble. In fact I would say the exact opposite. A manager isn't going to pick the players who are making his life difficult. It might explain why some of the team selections seem strange to us fans and we should be looking at the ones who are not playing or who have been moved on. I just think it's the job of the manager to get the squad organised and motivated, that's why we pay him a 6 figure income. Pulis and Hughes managed it for most of their nearly 5 year tenures in the Prem but since then Lambert struggled, Rowett came up short and Nathan Jones couldn't have made a worse start if he tried.
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Post by Bagwash on Feb 21, 2019 23:49:29 GMT
If the dressing room is as toxic as rumours suggest why has nobody from senior management intervened? I find it hard to believe that they did not know what was going on. I still maintain that after relegation we should have approached a manager who had experience of dealing with Premier League players(prima donnas?)even though at the time I thought Rowett and Jones were good appointments. Stating the bleeding obvious it needs sorting as soon as.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 21, 2019 23:51:26 GMT
My guess is as good as your's. I keep saying I was not told names. I don't think Rowett would have told my friend and I doubt very much whether she would have known them or remembered if he had. She was speaking as a friend of Rowett, feeling incredibly sorry for him not as a football fan.
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Post by Gods on Feb 21, 2019 23:51:48 GMT
They don't have to be playing to be causing the trouble. In fact I would say the exact opposite. A manager isn't going to pick the players who are making his life difficult. It might explain why some of the team selections seem strange to us fans and we should be looking at the ones who are not playing or who have been moved on. I'm not doubting your honesty, but come on! Names? We apparently are now getting the "full story" - without one vital factor.
Yes, the 'full story', with the unusual definition of the word 'full' where in fact it means 'empty'
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 23:53:52 GMT
My guess is as good as your's. I keep saying I was not told names. I don't think Rowett would have told my friend and I doubt very much whether she would have known them or remembered if he had. She was speaking as a friend of Rowett, feeling incredibly sorry for him not as a football fan. Could all of this be "pillow talk" by any chance?
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 21, 2019 23:54:37 GMT
If the dressing room is as toxic as rumours suggest why has nobody from senior management intervened? I find it hard to believe that they did not know what was going on. I still maintain that after relegation we should have approached a manager who had experience of dealing with Premier League players(prima donnas?)even though at the time I thought Rowett and Jones were good appointments. Stating the bleeding obvious it needs sorting as soon as. If you are hoping to move players on for good money you are going to try to cover up who the trouble makers and bad characters are. We don't know everything that happens.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 21, 2019 23:56:06 GMT
My guess is as good as your's. I keep saying I was not told names. I don't think Rowett would have told my friend and I doubt very much whether she would have known them or remembered if he had. She was speaking as a friend of Rowett, feeling incredibly sorry for him not as a football fan. Could all of this be "pillow talk" by any chance? No she could be Rowett's mother and is very happily married as is he.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 23:57:27 GMT
Could all of this be "pillow talk" by any chance? No she could be Rowett's mother and is very happily married as is he. I can't see GR telling lies to his Mum.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 21, 2019 23:59:28 GMT
IMO the ones in the side I’d suggest are good eggs and seem like The types that just get on with it are not
Allen Etebo Edwards Batth Vokes Woods
I think for different reasons whether it’s sulking, egos or being generally bad eggs you could pretty much see any of the others clashing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 23:59:54 GMT
That "rumour" about GR wanting to "walk" went viral very quickly. We all heard it.
Mmm This shit really is getting bigger and bigger .....
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Feb 22, 2019 0:04:07 GMT
Let me guess, the players are human like the rest of us with varying degrees of loyalty, honesty, ethics, etc. etc.? I think professionalism and the absolute basics of holding down any job is the main cause for concern, even before you take into account they earn more in a week than I would in a year and the fact us 'average Joe's' pay our hard eared to watch them every fucking week.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 22, 2019 0:27:48 GMT
this just stinks of opportunism and attention seeking by Lawrence
Fact: when teams are not winning the dressing room is never good
Question: In what way does this help the club in its current situation?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 0:33:38 GMT
this just stinks of opportunism and attention seeking by Lawrence That is all it is. He has been "hearing" things for the last ten years at least.
So how childish of him to come out with the line "I know something that you don't" just prior to the Villa game.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Feb 22, 2019 0:43:32 GMT
Lennie was largely good for us but don't forget this was the player who couldn't play because he tripped over his dog!!!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 22, 2019 0:46:39 GMT
IMO the ones in the side I’d suggest are good eggs and seem like The types that just get on with it are not Allen Etebo Edwards Batth Vokes Woods I think for different reasons whether it’s sulking, egos or being generally bad eggs you could pretty much see any of the others clashing. Vokes looks like he'd rather be queuing to return a 10 quid lamp in a 600 metre queue at Ikea on a Sunday morning than play for Stoke so far to me.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 22, 2019 0:49:24 GMT
That's right let's just ignore what we are told is happening and hope it goes away. Perhaps the fact that Berahino was in London at 3am before he was supposed to be at work in the morning should be ignored too. He has caused far more bad publicity than Lawrence and done far less good for the club in his career.
Whatever you think of Liam there is no doubt that the club means a lot to him and he feels this last week is the straw that broke the camel's back and is fed up of the people ruining his club. Just perhaps he also feels sorry for his friend Shawcross who is being made the scape goat by fans (yet another thread on here basically saying good riddance if he leaves) whilst players who are to blame are sitting pretty and perhaps he hopes to help to bring it all out into the open
Barring a complete catastrophe the season is virtually over anyway so perhaps now is the best time to cause waves so that in the summer things can start to improve. How much longer do you want it to be covered up? We are told this sort of thing has been going on for three years. Let it go on into the close season and it will carry on next season.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 0:49:57 GMT
IMO the ones in the side I’d suggest are good eggs and seem like The types that just get on with it are not Allen Etebo Edwards Batth Vokes Woods I think for different reasons whether it’s sulking, egos or being generally bad eggs you could pretty much see any of the others clashing. Vokes looks like he'd rather be queuing to return a 10 quid lamp in a 600 metre queue at Ikea on a Sunday morning than play for Stoke so far to me. How interesting. So glad that you gave us the benefit of your, shall we say, "vivid" imagination.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 0:52:29 GMT
That's right let's just ignore what we are told is happening and hope it goes away. Perhaps the fact that Berahino was in London at 3am before he was supposed to be at work in the morning should be ignored too. He has caused far more bad publicity than Lawrence and done far less good for the club in his career. Whatever you think of Liam there is no doubt that the club means a lot to him and he feels this last week is the straw that broke the camel's back and is fed up of the people ruining his club. Just perhaps he also feels sorry for his friend Shawcross who is being made the scape goat by fans (yet another thread on here basically saying good riddance if he leaves) whilst players who are to blame are sitting pretty and perhaps he hopes to help to bring it all out into the open Barring a complete catastrophe the season is virtually over anyway so perhaps now is the best time to cause waves so that in the summer things can start to improve. How much longer do you want it to be covered up? We are told this sort of thing has been going on for three years. Let it go on into the close season and it will carry on next season. Of course let us not forget poor little Liam. With the camel's back being broken, he stirred himself, and revealed all! "I know something that you lot don't".
What a man!
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