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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 16:15:30 GMT
But if there is "an issue" with Bojan - why not simply sell him when an offer was submitted in January? As we are not playing him, we are hardly likely to get a higher offer in the summer. Love Bojan, or hate him, our current stance makes no sense at all! Only thing I can think of is what I said 7263 pages ago. Jones wanted to take a look at each player and hasn’t liked what he as seen. Also imagine the uproar if we sold him to West Brom whilst we kept hold of that scum bag we had from them If that's the case why didn't Jones pull him aside, and said, "Look, Boj, you're a beautiful boy, but I looked at you for 60 seconds, and I've decided you're not good enough to play in my team, which will be storming up the league any minute now. I think it's in your best interests as well as the club's, if you piss off to another club, preferably in the far east, so we don't have to suffer watching you scoring goals every week."
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Post by Biblical on Feb 17, 2019 16:15:54 GMT
I really hope Jones uses Bojan between now and the end of the season. If he’s been kept at the club just to save face with the fans and doesn’t play then Scholes should walk.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 17, 2019 16:18:41 GMT
Anyone seriously thinking of not renewing there season ticket solely down to a powder puff midfielder who at least five managers ( loans ) have struggled to find a place for Either need to give there head a wobble or as some have said on here before piss off up the vale So you're clearly okay with players and fans being fed utter bullshit and treated like idiots, are you? Well some of us are not. And this isn't just about whether or not Bojan is good enough, is it? It's about how those controlling our club behave and keep getting away with it. Bojan is a well-mannered, respectful employee who deserves to be treated with a bit more honesty and respect in return, don't you think?
I, for one, will be renewing my season ticket no matter what, but it still doesn't stop Stoke City FC pissing me right off at the moment.
Jones is paid to manage a squad of players he’s said he will give bojan every opportunity he watches him in training and may of decided he’s not up to it or maybe a couple of more weeks off match fitness Only jones knows in his own mind we don’t He has Been promised a fresh start who is to say he hasn’t or is not being given one I know one thing if we’d of won the last four matches half the people on this board wouldn’t give a damm if bojan was making the tea in training
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Post by ceejays on Feb 17, 2019 16:22:18 GMT
Clearly mr waggy did u go Rotherham?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 16:24:34 GMT
Anybody have NJ's email address, Id like to send him a polite note (suggestions welcome)? Could you not do that! The man had death threats from his last club. I know we are a crap club, but we can do a little better, surely. If you want to make your feelings known, then sing Bojan's song non-stop for every home game until Jones decides to leave. And he will. He's only here as his latest climb upwards. In nearly 50 years of following football, I have never booed a player, nor even a manager, and I'm not about to start now, but I am going to sing that one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 16:26:23 GMT
So you're clearly okay with players and fans being fed utter bullshit and treated like idiots, are you? Well some of us are not. And this isn't just about whether or not Bojan is good enough, is it? It's about how those controlling our club behave and keep getting away with it. Bojan is a well-mannered, respectful employee who deserves to be treated with a bit more honesty and respect in return, don't you think?
I, for one, will be renewing my season ticket no matter what, but it still doesn't stop Stoke City FC pissing me right off at the moment.
Jones is paid to manage a squad of players he’s said he will give bojan every opportunity he watches him in training and may of decided he’s not up to or maybe a couple of more weeks off match fitness Only jones knows in his own mind we don’t He has Been promised a fresh start who is to say he hasn’t or is not being given one I know one thing if we’d of won the last four matches half the people on this board wouldn’t give a damm if bojan was making the tea in training Have you even read the article? They've actively stopped him from leaving. Do you seriously think he's made the decision to stay on a half assed promise of being "looked at"? Again, you can't see the point can you? Even if we'd won you still don't get to treat someone like this. They don't get to make that kind of decision to affect someone's career to try to save face and lie to everyone in the process. I don't want to get into whether he should or shouldn't play as its not the point here. But anyone who went to the Hull game could see how well he played and how we turned to shit when Ince came on. There was no fucking reason to drop him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 16:27:45 GMT
I fear that this interview will lead to repercussions and won't do him any favours. I hope I'm wrong but only time will tell. How could things possibly get any worse for Bojan?
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Post by Absolution on Feb 17, 2019 16:30:06 GMT
Anybody have NJ's email address, Id like to send him a polite note (suggestions welcome)? Could you not do that! The man had death threats from his last club. I know we are a crap club, but we can do a little better, surely. If you want to make your feelings known, then sing Bojan's song non-stop for every home game until Jones decides to leave. And he will. He's only here as his latest climb upwards. In nearly 50 years of following football, I have never booed a player, nor even a manager, and I'm not about to start now, but I am going to sing that one. He'll only 'climb upwards' if he's successful here. Sounds like you'd rather he wasn't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 16:31:13 GMT
I'm actually dreading the news on how many season tickets we'll sell. I think there's lots of unrest at Stoke and it's boiling over for all to see. I hope it will keep on boiling till everyone responsible for these actions are cooked dry...I would love if not a single season ticket is sold, that might just send a message they can understand
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Post by Dresden_scfc on Feb 17, 2019 16:38:20 GMT
It’s criminal and I mean criminal He gets 20 mins or one half of football and he’s judged both on here and by the manager(s) yet the same sorry bunch who create nothing and concede for fun get picked week after fucking week It’s bollocks You're absolutely right some players are continually shit and still get in the side bojan gets 20 minutes a month if he's lucky, we certainly would not create less if he was in the side. We know he's not the player he was but giving him more time he could help us create and score more than we are.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 16:43:44 GMT
He'll only 'climb upwards' if he's successful here. He'll climb upwards if another club comes in for him, it could be Hudds or Fulham, for instance. Clubs that will go down but want to sign a bright young thing.
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Post by Absolution on Feb 17, 2019 16:52:19 GMT
He'll only 'climb upwards' if he's successful here. He'll climb upwards if another club comes in for him, it could be Hudds or Fulham, for instance. Clubs that will go down but want to sign a bright young thing. He won't be seen as a bright young thing if he fails here. He'd go to a League 1 or 2 team or back to Luton if he made the right noises. I'd rather he succeeded here then leave us happily in the lurch half way up the Premier League.
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Post by bojanwonder on Feb 17, 2019 16:58:22 GMT
Jones is paid to manage a squad of players he’s said he will give bojan every opportunity he watches him in training and may of decided he’s not up to or maybe a couple of more weeks off match fitness Only jones knows in his own mind we don’t He has Been promised a fresh start who is to say he hasn’t or is not being given one I know one thing if we’d of won the last four matches half the people on this board wouldn’t give a damm if bojan was making the tea in training Have you even read the article? They've actively stopped him from leaving. Do you seriously think he's made the decision to stay on a half assed promise of being "looked at"? Again, you can't see the point can you? Even if we'd won you still don't get to treat someone like this. They don't get to make that kind of decision to affect someone's career to try to save face and lie to everyone in the process. I don't want to get into whether he should or shouldn't play as its not the point here. But anyone who went to the Hull game could see how well he played and how we turned to shit when Ince came on. There was no fucking reason to drop him. Saved me the bother of replying. Cheers. Think you've just nailed it! 👍
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Feb 17, 2019 16:59:18 GMT
I fear that this interview will lead to repercussions and won't do him any favours. I hope I'm wrong but only time will tell. How could things possibly get any worse for Bojan? I know what you're saying but he could face further isolation, which would not be helpful.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 17, 2019 17:05:26 GMT
Anybody have NJ's email address, Id like to send him a polite note (suggestions welcome)? Could you not do that! The man had death threats from his last club. I know we are a crap club, but we can do a little better, surely. If you want to make your feelings known, then sing Bojan's song non-stop for every home game until Jones decides to leave. And he will. He's only here as his latest climb upwards. In nearly 50 years of following football, I have never booed a player, nor even a manager, and I'm not about to start now, but I am going to sing that one. Neither have I and I said I'd send him a POLITE note, plus you don't want to hear me singing .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 17:07:59 GMT
It can't do NJ any favours having a fans favourite not playing. You can only assume that the reason we insisted he stayed was either NJ was unsure about his midfield options and didn't want to let him go. Or someone upstairs blocked the move to a rival. He said himself he was an important player and would be an important part of his team. Perfect I think was the word used. Also Bojan says in that article he doesn’t know why he’s not playing so no-ones bothered to have a conversation with him. So NJ in my eyes now looks like a right twat and is as culpable in this as the rest of them. All talk.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 17:13:42 GMT
He said himself he was an important player and would be an important part of his team. Perfect I think was the word used. Also Bojan says in that article he doesn’t know why he’s not playing so no-ones bothered to have a conversation with him. So NJ in my eyes now looks like a right twat and is as culpable in this as the rest of them. All talk. It looks that way doesn’t it. Whether it is or not is another matter but something like this after a month in the job is a bit of a disaster now really. Seeds of doubt now sewn in anything he says. What a fucking mess.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 17:18:21 GMT
He'll climb upwards if another club comes in for him, it could be Hudds or Fulham, for instance. Clubs that will go down but want to sign a bright young thing. He won't be seen as a bright young thing if he fails here. He'd go to a League 1 or 2 team or back to Luton if he made the right noises. I'd rather he succeeded here then leave us happily in the lurch half way up the Premier League. Actually it won't make a difference. Anyone with a little insight, and clubs do talk to each other, can see that the primary problem lies with, and has for several years, the club hierarchy. Jones won't be seen as a failure. he will be seen as someone who bravely tried to stem the tide of the impossible. There's no manager who can get Stoke out of trouble, unless there's a real complete overhaul of the hierarchy. as well as the players. And since that hierarchy consists of the extended Coates family, that's unlikely to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 17:23:59 GMT
How could things possibly get any worse for Bojan? I know what you're saying but he could face further isolation, which would not be helpful. How much further isolated can he get than training with the under-18s? Will he only be allowed to train with the tea ladies? He's already on excellent terms with those, you know. Or will he barred from entering the training ground? If Bojan in his mind has already decided to leave, then even that - which the PFA might have something to say about, not to mention the long time members of our squad - will just be a ripple in the water.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 17:27:39 GMT
Could you not do that! The man had death threats from his last club. I know we are a crap club, but we can do a little better, surely. If you want to make your feelings known, then sing Bojan's song non-stop for every home game until Jones decides to leave. And he will. He's only here as his latest climb upwards. In nearly 50 years of following football, I have never booed a player, nor even a manager, and I'm not about to start now, but I am going to sing that one. Neither have I and I said I'd send him a POLITE note, plus you don't want to hear me singing . It sounds sarcastic. Leave the manager alone, what little time he has in his private sphere should be just that - private. As for singing. If 20-23.000 sing your voice will just be part of the total noise, it won't be heard in individual parts.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Feb 17, 2019 17:31:50 GMT
I know what you're saying but he could face further isolation, which would not be helpful. How much further isolated can he get than training with the under-18s? Will he only be allowed to train with the tea ladies? He's already on excellent terms with those, you know. Or will he barred from entering the training ground? If Bojan in his mind has already decided to leave, then even that - which the PFA might have something to say about, not to mention the long time members of our squad - will just be a ripple in the water. Do you know what...absolutely nothing would surprise me at the moment.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 17, 2019 17:41:21 GMT
How much further isolated can he get than training with the under-18s? Will he only be allowed to train with the tea ladies? He's already on excellent terms with those, you know. Or will he barred from entering the training ground? If Bojan in his mind has already decided to leave, then even that - which the PFA might have something to say about, not to mention the long time members of our squad - will just be a ripple in the water. Do you know what...absolutely nothing would surprise me at the moment. Bojan to start left back next game !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 17:48:12 GMT
Only thing I can think of is what I said 7263 pages ago. Jones wanted to take a look at each player and hasn’t liked what he as seen. Also imagine the uproar if we sold him to West Brom whilst we kept hold of that scum bag we had from them If that's the case why didn't Jones pull him aside, and said, "Look, Boj, you're a beautiful boy, but I looked at you for 60 seconds, and I've decided you're not good enough to play in my team, which will be storming up the league any minute now. I think it's in your best interests as well as the club's, if you piss off to another club, preferably in the far east, so we don't have to suffer watching you scoring goals every week." Last time I checked I’m not Nathan Jones. However it seems he’s got the same opinions of the previous managers and of those who have taken him on loan
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Feb 17, 2019 17:49:05 GMT
#FreeBojan
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 17, 2019 18:04:40 GMT
I really hope Jones uses Bojan between now and the end of the season. If he’s been kept at the club just to save face with the fans and doesn’t play then Scholes should walk. Why Scholes?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 17, 2019 18:20:01 GMT
I seem to remember in his opening interview, Jones described Stoke as a “community club”.
Are we fuck, not anymore.
A community club has a solid link between the fans and the local area, with players that genuinely enjoy putting smiles on the faces of everyone from local kiddies on sports days to people stricken with illness.
A community club does not allow players to saunter around fragrantly taking the piss out of the fans and the club that pays their wages, a community club keeps a strong bond with the fanbase, which has been lacking for several years at this point, and yet the heads at the top remain silent, not even a whimper that they give a shit about us.
Most poignantly though, a community club treats its players, even if they’re shithouses, with professionalism and respect, to be ousted as outright liars in this case, and I have no reason to disbelieve Bojan, he’s the least troublesome member of the entire team, and has had ample reasons to feel aggrieved, just completely shatters this myth that the club has been hiding behind for evidently quite a while, and is a massive, massive kick in the bollocks for the long suffering support, as for many of us, myself included, the fact that we were a “club that cared”, taking on the likes of Bojan, Rory, Arnie, Ethers, Pennant etc and nurturing them was the only thing we had left to actually be proud of.
Now even that’s gone, the club is a disgusting, corrosive mess, I’m under no illusions that it will be nigh on a decade before we get some semblance of pride and unity back under those floodlights.
The leadership is evidently full of shysters and yes men, the players are useless and couldn’t give a fuck, we’re ran with all the care and nouse of a half-arsed car boot sale in a muddy field.
We want our club back.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 18:26:03 GMT
If that's the case why didn't Jones pull him aside, and said, "Look, Boj, you're a beautiful boy, but I looked at you for 60 seconds, and I've decided you're not good enough to play in my team, which will be storming up the league any minute now. I think it's in your best interests as well as the club's, if you piss off to another club, preferably in the far east, so we don't have to suffer watching you scoring goals every week." Last time I checked I’m not Nathan Jones. However it seems he’s got the same opinions of the previous managers and of those who have taken him on loan All of whom were abject failures in their jobs, and you're right, Jones seems a lot like them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 18:30:06 GMT
How much further isolated can he get than training with the under-18s? Will he only be allowed to train with the tea ladies? He's already on excellent terms with those, you know. Or will he barred from entering the training ground? If Bojan in his mind has already decided to leave, then even that - which the PFA might have something to say about, not to mention the long time members of our squad - will just be a ripple in the water. Do you know what...absolutely nothing would surprise me at the moment. I'm sure you well aware that others who have abused a player's contract have been taken to the sport courts and have lost, paying fines, and that one manager lost his job, in no small part because he critisised a fan favourite...frankly I'd be very surprised if Stoke would resort to any heavy handed measures. It will come back to haunt them if they do...
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Post by dave1 on Feb 17, 2019 18:34:49 GMT
Diddums poor lad. I won't be able sleep tonight now...
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Post by questionable on Feb 17, 2019 18:45:07 GMT
Staggering that we think that NJ isn’t yet another “puppet” for Scholes and his cronies.
We’ve gone from always conceding to still always conceding and from not scoring to still not scoring but we’ve spent vast amounts of money yet again with Jones.
There’s no chance that Vokes & Batth were Jones signings not a chance and I’d tell him he’s a liar to his face, all this shite that he’ll play fast attacking football and we’ll have a team we’re proud of this has Scholes diseased fingers all over it.
Jones is just carrying on where Rowette left, nothing more, nothing less.
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