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Post by str8outtahampton on Feb 17, 2019 13:49:16 GMT
Why do we have such spineless local media in North Staffs? If I was a reporter (either in the press, on TV or on local radio) I'd be desperate to ask the manager and/or the Chairman the obvious questions - which are: "Why did you refuse to sell a player in the January window if you refuse to give him game time?
"Why is the club happy to pay a player £27k per week to sit on the bench when they have had an offer to take that player off our hands?"
"Why when the first team is crying out for more creativity does the manager leave probably their most creative player on the bench?"If a manager doesn't want to play a player then he probably has the right not to play him. But, that being so, and given that the manager has said that the squad is too large, why on earth wasn't Bojan sold when an offer came in for him in the window? The club policy on Bojan makes no sense at all to most fans - and I do wish our local media contained some reporters who had the balls to try to find out why. I no longer live in the area, but on the basis of when I did, I would say that the day the local media asks the club a difficult question - and refuses to be fobbed off with numpty platitudes - is probably the day after the temperature in Hades dips below zero degrees. The relationship is symbiotic, and thrives on cosy, bland, opiate, beige flummery. A bit like when a politician decides to be interviewed on the One Show. However, the difference these days is that even the voice of an individual can be made to be heard. As has been noted, it is practically unheard of for there to be unanimity on here. The Bojan issue is in that respect exceptional. Somebody younger than me can I am guessing harness the frustration. Whether the club takes any notice is another matter, but at least an unpleasant stink can be met with an uncomfortable noise.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 17, 2019 13:54:22 GMT
I have a horrible feeling that it comes down to fit/play/pay sometimes, as said the lad is head and shoulders above most of the team but we persist in the likes Woods constantly giving the ball away. Then the embarrassment that is called McLean shoehorned into the side to take away what little threat we pose up front. We really are a gullible lot by letting Scholes and Fatty Greasy off the hook time after time as they’ve poisoned this club for years to come by tinkering behind the scenes. Your last sentence is bang on the money. Don't agree with McLean as an embarrassment though. Limited maybe but at least he puts a full shift in which is a lot more than the rest of the playing staff. And I know people will question a player just getting in the team because "he works hard" but things really have got that bad at stoke that yes the first names on the team sheet for me are the ones who are at least prepared to fight for the cause. It's wrong because they should all be doing this as a minimum requirement but they aren't. We are currently f***ed.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 17, 2019 13:55:35 GMT
But if there is "an issue" with Bojan - why not simply sell him when an offer was submitted in January? As we are not playing him, we are hardly likely to get a higher offer in the summer. Love Bojan, or hate him, our current stance makes no sense at all! Only a bad, evil cretin could hate Bojan. There are one or two in our midst who,strangely, have gone back under their stones, knowing how much they are in a minority
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 17, 2019 13:58:54 GMT
Only a bad, evil cretin could hate Bojan. There are one or two in our midst who,strangely, have gone back under their stones, knowing how much they are in a minority Indeed
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Post by dutchstokie on Feb 17, 2019 14:01:48 GMT
Thats it Im done....
Go fuck yourselves Stoke
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Post by nott1 on Feb 17, 2019 14:13:14 GMT
Anybody have NJ's email address, Id like to send him a polite note (suggestions welcome)?
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Post by newsteadst3 on Feb 17, 2019 14:16:54 GMT
Hes never really settled anywhere sadly apart from his early career at Barcelona..... I think he be retired at 30 and fed up of football..... 20 games here 11 there 13 somewhere else..... Doesn't settle Shame really Personally I think he'd go down a storm in the MLS. I think that's his best chance of gegging a career.... Holland, Germany and Italy and now England has been a struggle for the lad. I think he would struggle in Scotland too. Get him in MLS or Australia and let him enjoy his football. He deserves that
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Post by deadwait on Feb 17, 2019 14:23:30 GMT
The problem is, the longer Jones leaves him out of the team and we continue to play this dross, the more difficult the situation becomes.
Just imagine if he had to play him one week, and he has a blinder, that would leave the Manager with a lot of awkward questions to answer. I don't think he would want that.
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Post by trentvale68 on Feb 17, 2019 14:24:49 GMT
Personally I think he'd go down a storm in the MLS. I think that's his best chance of gegging a career.... Holland, Germany and Italy and now England has been a struggle for the lad. I think he would struggle in Scotland too. Get him in MLS or Australia and let him enjoy his football. He deserves that I'll say this though, I think even Saido would score loads in that league!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 14:29:08 GMT
There are one or two in our midst who,strangely, have gone back under their stones, knowing how much they are in a minority Indeed Even those who don’t like Bojan probably wouldn’t agree that this is not an acceptable way to treat someone. I can’t see how anyone could defend this whether or not you think he should play. It’s gone beyond an argument as to whether he should play or not and points to how disgustingly this club is now run and how far they will go to mislead the fans. They have no credibility left whatsoever in my eyes. It will be interesting to see how the deal with this. To my mind there are only two ways they could come out with any credibility: 1. Admit that this whole farce they’ve put him through was a massive error of judgement and completely unfair, apologise to him and pay up his contract and let him leave. 2. Apologise to him and hope they haven’t pushed him too far now and give him the run of games they promised and also he deserves. I imagine neither will happen and he’ll get banished to the U23s for the rest of the season which is an absolute disgrace if it’s allowed to happen. I’ve given those running the club the benefit of doubt but can’t now. Absolutely disgusting behaviour from disgusting individuals who are way out of their depth. It’s like this is just some game to them. Their outright deception to both a player and the fans is unacceptable. They need to fuck off now.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 17, 2019 14:41:59 GMT
Even those who don’t like Bojan probably wouldn’t agree that this is not an acceptable way to treat someone. I can’t see how anyone could defend this whether or not you think he should play. It’s gone beyond an argument as to whether he should play or not and points to how disgustingly this club is now run and how far they will go to mislead the fans. They have no credibility left whatsoever in my eyes. It will be interesting to see how the deal with this. To my mind there are only two ways they could come out with any credibility: 1. Admit that this whole farce they’ve put him through was a massive error of judgement and completely unfair, apologise to him and pay up his contract and let him leave. 2. Apologise to him and hope they haven’t pushed him too far now and give him the run of games they promised and also he deserves. I imagine neither will happen and he’ll get banished to the U23s for the rest of the season which is an absolute disgrace if it’s allowed to happen. I’ve given those running the club the benefit of doubt but can’t now. Absolutely disgusting behaviour from disgusting individuals who are way out of their depth. It’s like this is just some game to them. Their outright deception to both a player and the fans is unacceptable. They need to fuck off now. Couldn’t agree more.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Feb 17, 2019 15:12:59 GMT
This is a huge blow for the club. Management are hugely concerned about how many season tickets we'll sell and this could sway a quite few into not renewing. He's obviously a fan favourite and this will only add fuel to the fire. I don't blame him to be honest. He's obviously struggled mentally and received very little support internally, which is poor on our part. I fear that this interview will lead to repercussions and won't do him any favours. I hope I'm wrong but only time will tell.
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Post by mrred on Feb 17, 2019 15:28:31 GMT
Reading that again- just what the fuck goes on at this club? If the last 3 years has tonight me anything- it's that there's no real leadership, direction, communication or purpose.
I've never claimed that Bojan is our saviour but when you break it down- how is this anyway to treat an employee? It's fucking disgusting and I can't remember been so ashamed of this club for a long time.
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Post by jarhead on Feb 17, 2019 15:29:18 GMT
Another shit storm of many from our crumbling unprofessional club.
Fuckin disgrace from top to bottom.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Feb 17, 2019 15:36:11 GMT
Another shit storm of many from our crumbling unprofessional club. Fuckin disgrace from top to bottom. I'm actually dreading the news on how many season tickets we'll sell. I think there's lots of unrest at Stoke and it's boiling over for all to see.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 15:36:28 GMT
This is a huge blow for the club. Management are hugely concerned about how many season tickets we'll sell and this could sway a quite few into not renewing. He's obviously a fan favourite and this will only add fuel to the fire. I don't blame him to be honest. He's obviously struggled mentally and received very little support internally, which is poor on our part. I fear that this interview will lead to repercussions and won't do him any favours. I hope I'm wrong but only time will tell. A huge blow cos the disgraceful frauds got found out and their stupid little lies will now probably affect season ticket sales because they have been caught actively trying to deceive the fans and one of players. So a few fans will save themselves some money by refusing to be mugged off anymore. I'm glad he said it. It is now crystal clear exactly what we are dealing with and neither the fans, or our players, deserve to be lied to. How do you let this one go? Seriously, we used to at least feel like we were an honest and decent club and now that's gone too. So much for fucking building a club we can be proud of. I've never felt so ashamed. I can't imagine not going but I don't want to be part of this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 15:39:13 GMT
Anybody have NJ's email address, Id like to send him a polite note (suggestions welcome)? Why hide behind a monitor and email? If you get to the ground early enough on a matchday you can have a word with him when he arrives. I've spoke to him twice since he's been here. He's very approachable.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Feb 17, 2019 15:40:35 GMT
This is a huge blow for the club. Management are hugely concerned about how many season tickets we'll sell and this could sway a quite few into not renewing. He's obviously a fan favourite and this will only add fuel to the fire. I don't blame him to be honest. He's obviously struggled mentally and received very little support internally, which is poor on our part. I fear that this interview will lead to repercussions and won't do him any favours. I hope I'm wrong but only time will tell. A huge blow cos the disgraceful frauds got found out and their stupid little lies will now probably affect season ticket sales because they have been caught actively trying to deceive the fans and one of players. So a few fans will save themselves some money but refusing to be mugged off anymore. I'm glad he said it. It is now crystal clear exactly what we are dealing with and neither the fans, or our players, deserve to be lied to. How do you let this one go? Seriously, we used to at least feel like we were an honest and decent club and now that's gone too. So much for fucking building a club we can be proud of. I've never felt so ashamed. I can't imagine not going but I don't want to be part of this. I wholeheartedly agree. However, not all management are to be blamed here. I wouldn't be surprised if one in particular leaves because they've had enough of the cloak and dagger shenanigans and feel loathed to be tarred with the same brush.
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 17, 2019 15:47:37 GMT
One or more to leave. Can you elaborate who you are referring to?.
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Post by Absolution on Feb 17, 2019 15:48:55 GMT
Why do we have such spineless local media in North Staffs? If I was a reporter (either in the press, on TV or on local radio) I'd be desperate to ask the manager and/or the Chairman the obvious questions - which are: "Why did you refuse to sell a player in the January window if you refuse to give him game time?
"Why is the club happy to pay a player £27k per week to sit on the bench when they have had an offer to take that player off our hands?"
"Why when the first team is crying out for more creativity does the manager leave probably their most creative player on the bench?"If a manager doesn't want to play a player then he probably has the right not to play him. But, that being so, and given that the manager has said that the squad is too large, why on earth wasn't Bojan sold when an offer came in for him in the window? The club policy on Bojan makes no sense at all to most fans - and I do wish our local media contained some reporters who had the balls to try to find out why. They're too busy sticking the boot into a stressed-out drowning League 2 manager, then referring to that as asking the hard questions, a couple of days after letting Scholes have free-reign on their station.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 15:50:03 GMT
A huge blow cos the disgraceful frauds got found out and their stupid little lies will now probably affect season ticket sales because they have been caught actively trying to deceive the fans and one of players. So a few fans will save themselves some money but refusing to be mugged off anymore. I'm glad he said it. It is now crystal clear exactly what we are dealing with and neither the fans, or our players, deserve to be lied to. How do you let this one go? Seriously, we used to at least feel like we were an honest and decent club and now that's gone too. So much for fucking building a club we can be proud of. I've never felt so ashamed. I can't imagine not going but I don't want to be part of this. I wholeheartedly agree. However, not all management are to be blamed here. I wouldn't be surprised if one in particular leaves because they've had enough of the cloak and dagger shenanigans and feel loathed to be tarred with the same brush. They just all look bad though. Even NJ because he's said it himself and now its turned out to be a lie. That interview even says he hasn't even been told why. Its just not on and I so wanted NJ to do well and felt like after GR we at least had a decent, honest manager. I get we don't know the whole story but it doesn't look good for him either right now. You start to wonder if he's just all talk and really he's just going to be the same. All the photos of NJ and Bojan when NJ came and stuff. Feel like we're being completely mugged off as fans with this. I used to feel like they were just wildly incompetent but this is something else. It really is.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 17, 2019 15:51:06 GMT
Anyone seriously thinking of not renewing there season ticket solely down to a powder puff midfielder who at least five managers ( loans ) have struggled to find a place for
Either need to give there head a wobble or as some have said on here before piss off up the vale
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Post by tony1234 on Feb 17, 2019 15:54:32 GMT
Top management clearly worried by the fact that Bojan would have gone and then scored 5-6 for WBA by the end of the season and quickly developed into a fans fave, while helping them get promotion; rather as Huth did.
I'm not sure why. Do Cw and Schs really think that there is any lower they can go in our estimations? Are they really sweating under the delusion that we might think something other than they are thieves of the football club, existing only to line their own pockets and play games to satisfy their own ego; that we suspect they have mummy issues which make them haplessly ego-centric; that their ability with transfers is so inept it suggests they couldn't piss or cough without soiling themselves??? No offence, just wondering.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 15:55:09 GMT
Anyone seriously thinking of not renewing there season ticket solely down to a powder puff midfielder who at least five managers ( loans ) have struggled to find a place for Either need to give there head a wobble or as some have said on here before piss off up the vale It’s not about that though is it. It’s about the fact that it’s a fucking disgrace that he’s been lied to and the fans have been lied to. But if your happy to go singing and clapping whilst being completely mugged off in the process that your business. There are some of us who used to take a bit of pride in our club being decent and fair and honest and aren’t too happy with the disgusting way it’s being run. Doesn’t make us shit fans.
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Post by ceejays on Feb 17, 2019 15:57:06 GMT
Think you are seriously missing the point. The issue is one of integrity of honesty of being human. All the fans are saying I’d give him a fair run in the team and if it don’t work then issue is sorted. To treat ANYBODY in the manner Bojan has been treated is not consistent with a club who were once at the forefront of decency
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Post by jarhead on Feb 17, 2019 16:01:03 GMT
Another shit storm of many from our crumbling unprofessional club. Fuckin disgrace from top to bottom. I'm actually dreading the news on how many season tickets we'll sell. I think there's lots of unrest at Stoke and it's boiling over for all to see. Tell me about it! IF those wankers think about putting the price up after the shit show THEY have dished out these past three seasons they won’t sell one! And these fuckwits supposed to be clever and educated!! BOLLOCKS!
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Post by bojanwonder on Feb 17, 2019 16:04:59 GMT
Anyone seriously thinking of not renewing there season ticket solely down to a powder puff midfielder who at least five managers ( loans ) have struggled to find a place for Either need to give there head a wobble or as some have said on here before piss off up the vale So you're clearly okay with players and fans being fed utter bullshit and treated like idiots, are you? Well some of us are not. And this isn't just about whether or not Bojan is good enough, is it? It's about how those controlling our club behave and keep getting away with it. Bojan is a well-mannered, respectful employee who deserves to be treated with a bit more honesty and respect in return, don't you think?
I, for one, will be renewing my season ticket no matter what, but it still doesn't stop Stoke City FC pissing me right off at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 16:07:26 GMT
I wonder why the Coates family allow one of their employees to be treated in this way. If I owned the club I'd want a good explanation and then take the appropriate action! Like it or not it's one or more members (perhaps of the extended) family that are treating the employee this way. So the chances of appropriate action have got to be seriously slim...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 16:08:51 GMT
Hes never really settled anywhere sadly apart from his early career at Barcelona..... I think he be retired at 30 and fed up of football..... 20 games here 11 there 13 somewhere else..... Doesn't settle Shame really So why do you think his fixed abode has been exactly here for five years? He loves you, me, everybody at the club.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 16:09:13 GMT
I wonder why the Coates family allow one of their employees to be treated in this way. If I owned the club I'd want a good explanation and then take the appropriate action! Like it or not it's one or more members (perhaps of the extended) family that are treating the employee this way. So the chances of appropriate action have got to be seriously slim... I do wonder if Peter is just not very involved anymore. I can't see him being happy with it. Or perhaps I just don't want to as I'd quite like to believe there is one shred of decency left in the club...
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