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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 12:13:30 GMT
Fucking joke of a club. I've been going since 1995 and I've never been so pissed off at the whole shit-show. Top-to-bottom laughing stock. Even when we've been shitter in that 24 year time frame, we at least were genuinely shit but trying, didn't have a pot to piss in, and the excuse could be made that the players we had were actually, truly wank. To treat Bojan like this is wank on him and a hard kick in the knackers for every hard-working fan who has had to put up with watching this club implode over the last three years. The willful ineptitude, stubborn myopia and generally toxic, vile atmosphere that has swamped this club has been bad enough; but in these times when the playing staff are loathsome, lazy losers, to ostracise a gifted, creative player (who, crucially, WANTS to play) is just spitting right in our faces. Like my arse, Stoke. Pathetic. I've been a fan since 1969. What really makes this worse is that it happens the same week that Banks died ,and everyone has been going on about how decent people were at this club (Banks especially of course). And now this. There's absolutely nothing decent about Stoke City anymore. Nothing!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 12:15:46 GMT
He gets half a game to prove himself and then dropped for weeks on end - yet other players seem to be given 7/8/9 poor games before being eventually dropped. I really don’t get it. Wrong. They don't even get dropped. The vs Ipswich 11 will be selected again next week.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 17, 2019 12:16:12 GMT
Well done Stoke. Our National embarrassment just went global!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 12:16:28 GMT
The Bojan situation needs to be put to bed once and for all. Play him in the number 10 role (at the tip of the dimond) for the remainder of the season - he either nails the role down for next season or he doesn’t and he leaves with our best wish s at the end of the season. He cannot be any worse that Tom Ince who in my opinion has all the ability in the world but the heart of the tin man (such a waster - just missing the DNA of his father). You cannot build a team with wasters like Tom Ince who delivers something really good once every now and again. This is the thing - he’s been given very little opportunity to prove/disprove himself, where in the meantime we’ve consistently seen zero creativity, players who are patently not suited to a system being shoe-horned into slots and then failing, and players who no matter how bad their performances, seem to get given chance, after chance, after chance, to try & fail. I wonder if Bojan’s a nice lad, and therefore one of the easier ones to leave out/let down, when the manager is left with big egos wanting to know why they’re not getting game time?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 12:17:43 GMT
We should chant his name for 90 mins solid against Villa. I dont give a damn how it affects the little darlings on the pitch as half of them are wankers anyway. Edit - most of them are Wrong. All of them are.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 17, 2019 12:18:12 GMT
You'd have thought the club would be glad that their CUSTOMERS have told them exactly what they want in no uncertain terms week in week out
If Tesco or Asda had that kind of instant feedback they'd be chuffed to bits.
Not Stoke frigging City tho, oh no, we'll just give them the opposite of what they want, tell them a load of lies and then tell them it's their fault when it (inevitably) turns to shit.
It's astonishing.
Not as astonishing as seeing far poorer 'footballers' getting selected ahead of him week in week out but astonishing nonetheless.
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Post by theteacher on Feb 17, 2019 12:23:16 GMT
The Bojan situation needs to be put to bed once and for all. Play him in the number 10 role (at the tip of the dimond) for the remainder of the season - he either nails the role down for next season or he doesn’t and he leaves with our best wish s at the end of the season. He cannot be any worse that Tom Ince who in my opinion has all the ability in the world but the heart of the tin man (such a waster - just missing the DNA of his father). You cannot build a team with wasters like Tom Ince who delivers something really good once every now and again. This is the thing - he’s been given very little opportunity to prove/disprove himself, where in the meantime we’ve consistently seen zero creativity, players who are patently not suited to a system being shoe-horned into slots and then failing, and players who no matter how bad their performances, seem to get given chance, after chance, after chance, to try & fail. I wonder if Bojan’s a nice lad, and therefore one of the easier ones to leave out/let down, when the manager is left with big egos wanting to know why they’re not getting game time? It must be the case where it is easier to leave a “nice lad” out of the team because he doesn’t kick up a fuss when not picked. A dangerous situation for a Manager who doesn’t pick a fans favourite when performances and results are so poor. I can accept players with limited ability who put in 100% effort every week. What I cannot accept is players like Tom Ince who clearly has no heart and is not a team player. The sooner we have a clearout the better.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 12:28:08 GMT
You'd have thought the club would be glad that their CUSTOMERS have told them exactly what they want in no uncertain terms week in week out If Tesco or Asda had that kind of instant feedback they'd be chuffed to bits. Not Stoke frigging City tho, oh no, we'll just give them the opposite of what they want, tell them a load of lies and then tell them it's their fault when it (inevitably) turns to shit. It's astonishing. Not as astonishing as seeing far poorer 'footballers' getting selected ahead of him week in week out but astonishing nonetheless. This is the crux. In weeks gone by we’ve seen; Martina - utter shite, somehow still getting games Clucas - as above, only we’ve also let our only dedicated left-back leave in order to accommodate him 🤮 Woods - absolutely dire, but wouldn’t be in the slightest bit surprised to see him picked again next week Maclean - never a striker Ince - never a no10
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 12:29:10 GMT
He should have kept his powder dry as I think he'd have got a run in the team eventually. It's not as if Ince is pulling up any trees. I totally understand his frustration but all I think he's done is made the situation worse. Should have waited until the end of the season. He didn't use any powder. Just politely answered some questions from a journalist, who stated that Bojan would probably have hated making the statement, but probably is at the end of just being a nice guy. I suppose it is a come and get me plea. That Ince has been useless hasn't stopped Jones from making him ever present in the last four games. Clearly he plans on making Ince the on pitch leader of our midfield diamond. So help us God.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 12:35:35 GMT
The exclusion of Bojan has hardly led to an improvement in form though, has it? I am getting tired of managers making ludicrous team selections, to be honest. How the fuck does McClean start up front ahead of Bojan? These managers that people keep quoting have been fucking useless in the main. Hughes at the end, Lambert and Rowett were abysmal, and Jones is doing his best to live up to them. I would sooner see Bojan on the pitch than Woods, Ince or McClean, either as a striker or attacking midfieider. If there is a reason for his exclusion, have the bollocks to say what it is. Or else give him a run in the team to prove his wankness, like the rest of them seem to get. This was my argument under rowett. Bauer Adam Bojan all outbthr squad when they are better than what we had on the pitch! Address fans and say why these players aren’t playing. For what it’s worth I’d play Bojan however I don’t see him around the club day in day out where there surely must be an issue? Like Smith says, everyone - except you, maybe - likes Bojan. There has never been a story in any newspaper, English, Spanish, German, Italian (can't read Dutch, so I can't vouch for them) that hinted at there being an "issue".
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Feb 17, 2019 12:37:22 GMT
I am sure there are a few things at play here.
Gut feeling is that we have certain players on long contracts that we know we will ultimately need to get rid of this Summer.
Ince MacLean Clucas Woods Afobe Bera Allen Butland
On top of our loan stars, Imbula Ndiaye Wimmer et al .
I'm guessing and it's just a guess that there is encouragement from within to play/keep said players involved to try and avoid complete write offs off fees and paying up of contracts which could be a 100m cash outflow.
If we can somehow get away with giving them free transfers and clubs taking on the obligations it would be a result for a club.
This on top of players such as Bojan/Adam/Shawcross egg who based on the fact they are on legacy contracts most likely have bigger bonuses and possible contract extension built in based on games played.
Basically we are completely hamstrung by some of the fools we have handing out ridiculous contracts and can't really blame Jones for this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 12:39:29 GMT
The Bojan situation needs to be put to bed once and for all. It's too late for that now. We had over 100 games we could play him in and we blew it every time. It's now gone beyond decency. Of course if Bojan was selected between now and the end of season he wouldn't - and couldn't - say no. But no one can blame him if he no longer wants to stay.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 17, 2019 12:39:48 GMT
He should have kept his powder dry as I think he'd have got a run in the team eventually. It's not as if Ince is pulling up any trees. I totally understand his frustration but all I think he's done is made the situation worse. Should have waited until the end of the season. I suppose it is a come and get me plea. Exactly but the window is shut so he can't move until summer. Like I say all he's done is made it worse coming out with this only 2 weeks after the window closed. He should have waited and see what transpired over the next couple of months.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 17, 2019 12:42:30 GMT
You'd have thought the club would be glad that their CUSTOMERS have told them exactly what they want in no uncertain terms week in week out If Tesco or Asda had that kind of instant feedback they'd be chuffed to bits. Not Stoke frigging City tho, oh no, we'll just give them the opposite of what they want, tell them a load of lies and then tell them it's their fault when it (inevitably) turns to shit. It's astonishing. Not as astonishing as seeing far poorer 'footballers' getting selected ahead of him week in week out but astonishing nonetheless. Wholesale change is needed upstairs and most specifically in the CEO and technical director roles. We can all disagree and argue to our hearts content on here however nothing will change until fresh talent fills these 2 roles. We've tried everything else and it hasn't made a jot of difference. Its time to let the owners know.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 12:44:24 GMT
I suppose it is a come and get me plea. Exactly but the window is shut so he can't move until summer. Like I say all he's done is made it worse coming out with this only 2 weeks after the window closed. He should have waited and see what transpired over the next couple of months. As stated earlier the transfer window is still open in some countries, such as the USA.
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 17, 2019 12:47:19 GMT
I think Bojan's comments pretty much sum up everything about the club at the moment, and what he's had to say is just another symptom of things in general. He's as baffled as we are at what's going on. Never, in all the decades of being a Stoke supporter have I known anything like it. Something is seriously wrong (and has been for the last 2/3 years) for this toxic chaos to develop as it has. The last time we were anything like this was when the fans stormed the exec area. Although I'll always love Stoke City FC, I've arrived at the situation where I don't like my club any more. It stinks.
OS.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Feb 17, 2019 12:55:16 GMT
I think Bojan's comments pretty much sum up everything about the club at the moment, and what he's had to say is just another symptom of things in general. He's as baffled as we are at what's going on. Never, in all the decades of being a Stoke supporter have I known anything like it. Something is seriously wrong (and has been for the last 2/3 years) for this toxic chaos to develop as it has. The last time we were anything like this was when the fans stormed the exec area. Although I'll always love Stoke City FC, I've arrived at the situation where I don't like my club any more. It stinks. OS. Spot on. We have been through all sorts but it is just so wrong this time. I did not condone the storming of the exec box, but even then there was some background reasons to a point, given our position for so long and little money. This time, well it is just toxic. For Bojan, whether you are pro or anti, to come out and say what he has speaks volumes about the state we are in Never felt so distant from my club as I do right now and it has nothing to do with our league position
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Post by nott1 on Feb 17, 2019 12:58:13 GMT
I wonder why the Coates family allow one of their employees to be treated in this way. If I owned the club I'd want a good explanation and then take the appropriate action!
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Post by mrred on Feb 17, 2019 13:02:00 GMT
Fuck off Stoke. Just fuck off.
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Post by newsteadst3 on Feb 17, 2019 13:07:13 GMT
Hes never really settled anywhere sadly apart from his early career at Barcelona.....
I think he be retired at 30 and fed up of football..... 20 games here 11 there 13 somewhere else..... Doesn't settle Shame really
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 17, 2019 13:10:12 GMT
First time ever the oatcake is in full agreement 😊 The club is a disgrace. Almost unheard of. The club's position is baffling, frustrating, illogical and opaque. And without a plausible explanation (just what hideous misdemeanour could he possibly have committed?) shabby, shameful, spiteful and frankly embarrassing. Needs direct action. There are a number of options, but my suggestion would be to send Bojan Mackey (my favourite poster atm) to the club, on behalf of the Oatcake, for a full and frank exchange of views. Yep all for it. Shall we get a petition going?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 17, 2019 13:11:04 GMT
This was my argument under rowett. Bauer Adam Bojan all outbthr squad when they are better than what we had on the pitch! Address fans and say why these players aren’t playing. For what it’s worth I’d play Bojan however I don’t see him around the club day in day out where there surely must be an issue?But if there is "an issue" with Bojan - why not simply sell him when an offer was submitted in January? As we are not playing him, we are hardly likely to get a higher offer in the summer. Love Bojan, or hate him, our current stance makes no sense at all! ![:-S](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kdD1n42dnzYd3v59eUB_.gif) Only a bad, evil cretin could hate Bojan.
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Post by trentvale68 on Feb 17, 2019 13:14:06 GMT
Hes never really settled anywhere sadly apart from his early career at Barcelona..... I think he be retired at 30 and fed up of football..... 20 games here 11 there 13 somewhere else..... Doesn't settle Shame really Personally I think he'd go down a storm in the MLS.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 17, 2019 13:16:59 GMT
Hes never really settled anywhere sadly apart from his early career at Barcelona..... I think he be retired at 30 and fed up of football..... 20 games here 11 there 13 somewhere else..... Doesn't settle Shame really Personally I think he'd go down a storm in the MLS. He might go down a storm here if some fucker gave him a decent chance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 13:22:44 GMT
This was my argument under rowett. Bauer Adam Bojan all outbthr squad when they are better than what we had on the pitch! Address fans and say why these players aren’t playing. For what it’s worth I’d play Bojan however I don’t see him around the club day in day out where there surely must be an issue?But if there is "an issue" with Bojan - why not simply sell him when an offer was submitted in January? As we are not playing him, we are hardly likely to get a higher offer in the summer. Love Bojan, or hate him, our current stance makes no sense at all! ![:-S](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kdD1n42dnzYd3v59eUB_.gif) Only thing I can think of is what I said 7263 pages ago. Jones wanted to take a look at each player and hasn’t liked what he as seen. Also imagine the uproar if we sold him to West Brom whilst we kept hold of that scum bag we had from them
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 17, 2019 13:24:54 GMT
Fuck off Stoke. Just fuck off. 6 words that sum it up nicely for me. That is bang on how I feel. You have just clarified my feelings and I feel strangely better for it
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 17, 2019 13:25:25 GMT
I think Bojan's comments pretty much sum up everything about the club at the moment, and what he's had to say is just another symptom of things in general. He's as baffled as we are at what's going on. Never, in all the decades of being a Stoke supporter have I known anything like it. Something is seriously wrong (and has been for the last 2/3 years) for this toxic chaos to develop as it has. The last time we were anything like this was when the fans stormed the exec area. Although I'll always love Stoke City FC, I've arrived at the situation where I don't like my club any more. It stinks. OS. Thanks OS: you've managed articulate just what I'm feeling.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 17, 2019 13:30:43 GMT
I am sure there are a few things at play here. Gut feeling is that we have certain players on long contracts that we know we will ultimately need to get rid of this Summer. Ince MacLean Clucas Woods Afobe Bera Allen Butland On top of our loan stars, Imbula Ndiaye Wimmer et al . I'm guessing and it's just a guess that there is encouragement from within to play/keep said players involved to try and avoid complete write offs off fees and paying up of contracts which could be a 100m cash outflow. If we can somehow get away with giving them free transfers and clubs taking on the obligations it would be a result for a club. This on top of players such as Bojan/Adam/Shawcross egg who based on the fact they are on legacy contracts most likely have bigger bonuses and possible contract extension built in based on games played. Basically we are completely hamstrung by some of the fools we have handing out ridiculous contracts and can't really blame Jones for this. If that is the case, how is Scholes still in a job? Jones can't put out his best team because recruitment has been so bad? I would dismiss this notion out of hand, but it's Stoke we are talking about.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 17, 2019 13:37:44 GMT
I am sure there are a few things at play here. Gut feeling is that we have certain players on long contracts that we know we will ultimately need to get rid of this Summer. Ince MacLean Clucas Woods Afobe Bera Allen Butland On top of our loan stars, Imbula Ndiaye Wimmer et al . I'm guessing and it's just a guess that there is encouragement from within to play/keep said players involved to try and avoid complete write offs off fees and paying up of contracts which could be a 100m cash outflow. If we can somehow get away with giving them free transfers and clubs taking on the obligations it would be a result for a club. This on top of players such as Bojan/Adam/Shawcross egg who based on the fact they are on legacy contracts most likely have bigger bonuses and possible contract extension built in based on games played. Basically we are completely hamstrung by some of the fools we have handing out ridiculous contracts and can't really blame Jones for this. If that is the case, how is Scholes still in a job? Jones can't put out his best team because recruitment has been so bad? I would dismiss this notion out of hand, but it's Stoke we are talking about. Yes it is Stoke and scholes and carto need to go. They have presided over this shit fest for too long now. New ideas and fresh talent required in these roles.
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Post by questionable on Feb 17, 2019 13:41:34 GMT
I have a horrible feeling that it comes down to fit/play/pay sometimes, as said the lad is head and shoulders above most of the team but we persist in the likes Woods constantly giving the ball away.
Then the embarrassment that is called McLean shoehorned into the side to take away what little threat we pose up front.
We really are a gullible lot by letting Scholes and Fatty Greasy off the hook time after time as they’ve poisoned this club for years to come by tinkering behind the scenes.
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