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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 11:26:07 GMT
Selfishly, I hope he doesn’t end up at a rival club He's hardly going to fail, is he
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 11:29:07 GMT
I don’t see why anybody would be surprised or want Bojan to go to WBA. The club gets enough shit, never mind selling one of our “most loved” players to a “local rival”. There would have been hell up on here. I still believe there is an underlying reason Bojan isn’t in the team, all these failure managers not picking him can’t be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 11:33:48 GMT
Lambert once said that certain players were coming across totally different on social media than what they are actually doing behind the scenes. This could well be partly aimed at Bojan? It’s no coincidence that 5/6 managers have all decided against playing him! Something does not add up. Why we kept him I will never know The exclusion of Bojan has hardly led to an improvement in form though, has it? I am getting tired of managers making ludicrous team selections, to be honest. How the fuck does McClean start up front ahead of Bojan? These managers that people keep quoting have been fucking useless in the main. Hughes at the end, Lambert and Rowett were abysmal, and Jones is doing his best to live up to them. I would sooner see Bojan on the pitch than Woods, Ince or McClean, either as a striker or attacking midfieider. If there is a reason for his exclusion, have the bollocks to say what it is. Or else give him a run in the team to prove his wankness, like the rest of them seem to get. This. I don’t think that Pieters, Charlie, Diouf or Bojan would be worse than what we have - I think they would all have improved us to be honest. In fact if you’d started our team from last season with Etebo and Bojan back - Bauer/Edwards, Shawcross, BMI, Pieters, Etebo, Allen, Bojan, Charlie, Diouf and Crouch - I think we’d probably be in a better position than we are! What the hell was £50m spent for! But even if they weren’t any better, they could play a shit team we like instead of a shit team we are all starting to despise. It’s almost as if they are doing it on purpose.
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 17, 2019 11:34:48 GMT
I don’t see why anybody would be surprised or want Bojan to go to WBA. The club gets enough shit, never mind selling one of our “most loved” players to a “local rival”. There would have been hell up on here. I still believe there is an underlying reason Bojan isn’t in the team, all these managers not picking him can’t be wrong. So we should ruin a talented footballers career so that "the fans don't get angry" That's fucking ridiculous! If the current crop of players were paying scintillating football and playing every team of the pitch, his exclusion would be justified, but we are pathetically wank add every time he had made his cameos, he had looked good
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 11:34:49 GMT
Lambert once said that certain players were coming across totally different on social media than what they are actually doing behind the scenes. This could well be partly aimed at Bojan? It’s no coincidence that 5/6 managers have all decided against playing him! Something does not add up. Why we kept him I will never know The exclusion of Bojan has hardly led to an improvement in form though, has it? I am getting tired of managers making ludicrous team selections, to be honest. How the fuck does McClean start up front ahead of Bojan? These managers that people keep quoting have been fucking useless in the main. Hughes at the end, Lambert and Rowett were abysmal, and Jones is doing his best to live up to them. I would sooner see Bojan on the pitch than Woods, Ince or McClean, either as a striker or attacking midfieider. If there is a reason for his exclusion, have the bollocks to say what it is. Or else give him a run in the team to prove his wankness, like the rest of them seem to get. Spot on. I want to be fully behind Nathan Jones but he's making it pretty fucking impossible at the minute with his ridiculous team selections and daft substitutions.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 17, 2019 11:35:41 GMT
The exclusion of Bojan has hardly led to an improvement in form though, has it? I am getting tired of managers making ludicrous team selections, to be honest. How the fuck does McClean start up front ahead of Bojan? These managers that people keep quoting have been fucking useless in the main. Hughes at the end, Lambert and Rowett were abysmal, and Jones is doing his best to live up to them. I would sooner see Bojan on the pitch than Woods, Ince or McClean, either as a striker or attacking midfieider. If there is a reason for his exclusion, have the bollocks to say what it is. Or else give him a run in the team to prove his wankness, like the rest of them seem to get. This. I don’t think that Pieters, Charlie, Diouf or Bojan would be worse than what we have - I think they would all have improved us to be honest. In fact if you’d started our team from last season with Etebo and Bojan back - Bauer/Edwards, Shawcross, BMI, Pieters, Etebo, Allen, Bojan, Charlie, Diouf and Crouch - I think we’d probably be in a better position than we are! What the hell was £50m spent for! But even if they weren’t any better, they could play a shit team we like instead of a shit team we are all starting to despise. It’s almost as if they are doing it on purpose. Couldn’t agree more. At least they play like they care.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 17, 2019 11:36:40 GMT
Why do we have such spineless local media in North Staffs? If I was a reporter (either in the press, on TV or on local radio) I'd be desperate to ask the manager and/or the Chairman the obvious questions - which are: "Why did you refuse to sell a player in the January window if you refuse to give him game time?
"Why is the club happy to pay a player £27k per week to sit on the bench when they have had an offer to take that player off our hands?"
"Why when the first team is crying out for more creativity does the manager leave probably their most creative player on the bench?"If a manager doesn't want to play a player then he probably has the right not to play him. But, that being so, and given that the manager has said that the squad is too large, why on earth wasn't Bojan sold when an offer came in for him in the window? The club policy on Bojan makes no sense at all to most fans - and I do wish our local media contained some reporters who had the balls to try to find out why. ![:-S](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kdD1n42dnzYd3v59eUB_.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 11:37:11 GMT
Lambert once said that certain players were coming across totally different on social media than what they are actually doing behind the scenes. This could well be partly aimed at Bojan? It’s no coincidence that 5/6 managers have all decided against playing him! Something does not add up. Why we kept him I will never know How would Lambert know when he has never even met him, at Stoke anyway? Bojan was not present during Lambert's shitstay, as he was out on loan..
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 17, 2019 11:39:10 GMT
This club is fucking wank. An embarrassing, pathetically run shit-show that is only going one way, and that’s fucking down. Yet still the parties responsible for overseeing this fucking catastrophic abortion are still in their posts. The fact that people are having a go at the fans is a joke, this is way more than most fans put up with before kicking off. The team is wank. The stadium is wank. The matchday experience is wank. The social media is wank. The club shop is wank. The players are to a man wank. The chief executive is wank. The owners have turned into passive wank. Sick of this fucking team, when are we going to get something to make us feel proud again?! Spot on!! BM for CEO (or leader of the country, I don't mind which) ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 11:42:18 GMT
In defence of jones I think he came in with an open mind on all players but like other managers before him he’s made his mind up pretty quickly on him. Then why not let him go? we might even get a bob or two for him.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 17, 2019 11:42:54 GMT
He should have kept his powder dry as I think he'd have got a run in the team eventually. It's not as if Ince is pulling up any trees.
I totally understand his frustration but all I think he's done is made the situation worse. Should have waited until the end of the season.
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Post by sj89 on Feb 17, 2019 11:43:42 GMT
Why do we have such spineless local media in North Staffs? If I was a reporter (either in the press, on TV or on local radio) I'd be desperate to ask the manager and/or the Chairman the obvious questions - which are: "Why did you refuse to sell a player in the January window if you refuse to give him game time?
"Why is the club happy to pay a player £27k per week to sit on the bench when they have had an offer to take that player off our hands?"
"Why when the first team is crying out for more creativity does the manager leave probably their most creative player on the bench?"If a manager doesn't want to play a player then he probably has the right not to play him. But, that being so, and given that the manager has said that the squad is too large, why on earth wasn't Bojan sold when an offer came in for him in the window? The club policy on Bojan makes no sense at all to most fans - and I do wish our local media contained some reporters who had the balls to try to find out why. ![:-S](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kdD1n42dnzYd3v59eUB_.gif) Do questions have be approved before they are allowed to be asked?
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Post by str8outtahampton on Feb 17, 2019 11:46:07 GMT
First time ever the oatcake is in full agreement 😊 The club is a disgrace. Almost unheard of. The club's position is baffling, frustrating, illogical and opaque. And without a plausible explanation (just what hideous misdemeanour could he possibly have committed?) shabby, shameful, spiteful and frankly embarrassing. Needs direct action. There are a number of options, but my suggestion would be to send Bojan Mackey (my favourite poster atm) to the club, on behalf of the Oatcake, for a full and frank exchange of views.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 11:48:15 GMT
The frustration for me is that I felt when he has played, he has at the very least played ok, and for me definitely earned a place in the next game. But this has been the story for such a long time. Plenty of other players seem to be given chance after chance but not Bojan. I want him played regularly for a period so we can judge him once and for all. Berahino, Afobe, and Ince, have all been given a fair crack and still have question marks against them for me. I fear we might soon be adding Vokes to the list too. Sadly, this last interview might see the end of Bojan at Stoke. We are run by idiots it seems. The only mystery is the fact that successive managers have treated Bojan similarly. At least NJ has promoted him to the bench though. Only to punish him apparently. Or he would have sent him on after ten minutes, thirty minutes, fourty, any time because he would have improved yesterday's anti-heroes vastly.
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Post by sj89 on Feb 17, 2019 11:49:36 GMT
He should have kept his powder dry as I think he'd have got a run in the team eventually. It's not as if Ince is pulling up any trees. I totally understand his frustration but all I think he's done is made the situation worse. Should have waited until the end of the season. Why waste time here when he could be playing in the MLS? How long is eventually? Does he have to wait until the club have amassed so many suspensions / injuries to get a game? unless there is some transparent comment at the next NJ interview, fans will be chanting for Bojan on Saturday, regardless of whether he makes the team / bench That probably won’t help the rest of the squad
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 17, 2019 11:49:57 GMT
Why do we have such spineless local media in North Staffs? If I was a reporter (either in the press, on TV or on local radio) I'd be desperate to ask the manager and/or the Chairman the obvious questions - which are: "Why did you refuse to sell a player in the January window if you refuse to give him game time?
"Why is the club happy to pay a player £27k per week to sit on the bench when they have had an offer to take that player off our hands?"
"Why when the first team is crying out for more creativity does the manager leave probably their most creative player on the bench?"If a manager doesn't want to play a player then he probably has the right not to play him. But, that being so, and given that the manager has said that the squad is too large, why on earth wasn't Bojan sold when an offer came in for him in the window? The club policy on Bojan makes no sense at all to most fans - and I do wish our local media contained some reporters who had the balls to try to find out why. ![:-S](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kdD1n42dnzYd3v59eUB_.gif) Do questions have be approved before they are allowed to be asked? I doubt if they have to be approved in the case of a live post match interview. I'm sure that reporters are allowed to ask questions relevant to the match they have just watched.
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Post by Ygor on Feb 17, 2019 11:50:21 GMT
Why do we have such spineless local media in North Staffs? If I was a reporter (either in the press, on TV or on local radio) I'd be desperate to ask the manager and/or the Chairman the obvious questions - which are: "Why did you refuse to sell a player in the January window if you refuse to give him game time?
"Why is the club happy to pay a player £27k per week to sit on the bench when they have had an offer to take that player off our hands?"
"Why when the first team is crying out for more creativity does the manager leave probably their most creative player on the bench?"If a manager doesn't want to play a player then he probably has the right not to play him. But, that being so, and given that the manager has said that the squad is too large, why on earth wasn't Bojan sold when an offer came in for him in the window? The club policy on Bojan makes no sense at all to most fans - and I do wish our local media contained some reporters who had the balls to try to find out why. ![:-S](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kdD1n42dnzYd3v59eUB_.gif) Do questions have be approved before they are allowed to be asked? I strongly suspect so. At the last "meet the manager" (Mark Hughes) I attended, we all wrote our questions on a sheet of paper. Nigel then sat at the bar sorting them in to two piles. Now I'll grant you that part of his task was filtering out duplicates, but I can tell you that none of mine were asked! I'd be surprised if Radio Stoke was any different.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 11:52:56 GMT
I think this may be an outcome which lets the club "off the hook" so to speak Well who's to say those clubs will come back for him after they, presumably his agents and the club, set up a transfer move which he then rejected, because he was asked/told to stay here? If true it borders on indecent behaviour by SCFC.
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Post by Championship Potter on Feb 17, 2019 11:53:28 GMT
Just start him every game between and now and the end of the season. If he gets his form and confidence then we have a top Championship player and one of the key positions in the team nailed down for next year. If not then we can let him leave in the knowledge that we gave him one last shot. Just don’t understand how you can write someone of his pedigree off on the basis of a handful appearances (in which he’s actually looked very decent).
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Post by cousindupree on Feb 17, 2019 11:53:55 GMT
The decision not to sell Bojan to WBA gets my approval. They have rogered us rigidly with the sale to us for the way overpriced of waster Berahino and the deeply unlikable McClean.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 11:58:51 GMT
The Bojan situation should be the first question asked to Nathan Jones in his next press conference. "Why, yet again is Bojan not being picked ahead of players who have had chance after chance yet consistently haven't delivered?" And a totally honest answer might just get some of the fans on his side (Surely he will have learned from Rowetts tactless comments) Saturday will reveal his true opinions? or maybe not if he still includes him on the bench to avoid making more waves ![8-|](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/rY_vRFLA3mqqdMbEG4cF.gif) I don't think he's capable of learning anything. just look at how much he has learned from playing Ince consistently in the team. Absolutely nothing!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 12:04:21 GMT
In defence of jones I think he came in with an open mind on all players but like other managers before him he’s made his mind up pretty quickly on him. Then why not let him go? we might even get a bob or two for him. I’m not the manager I’m just putting a view out there. I’m getting sick of hearing about the lad if I’m honest. 5 or so managers all seem to think he isn’t good enough. What do I know
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 12:04:42 GMT
What an absolute clusterfuck of a club we have become. It’s beyond embarrassing, now.
I think we all kind of know Bojan as a character, to see that this is really the final straw for him. He’s not the bleating type. Who can blame him?
This club is pissing me off more & more by the second, right now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 12:05:10 GMT
According to Trans market. These players between them are worth £95m. Butland Indi shawcross Allen ince Afobe Berahino (...). sell them. Great idea but we'll be lucky to get £95 for them. No one wants them or those that do can't pay the wages we gave them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 12:06:46 GMT
Lambert once said that certain players were coming across totally different on social media than what they are actually doing behind the scenes. This could well be partly aimed at Bojan? It’s no coincidence that 5/6 managers have all decided against playing him! Something does not add up. Why we kept him I will never know The exclusion of Bojan has hardly led to an improvement in form though, has it? I am getting tired of managers making ludicrous team selections, to be honest. How the fuck does McClean start up front ahead of Bojan? These managers that people keep quoting have been fucking useless in the main. Hughes at the end, Lambert and Rowett were abysmal, and Jones is doing his best to live up to them. I would sooner see Bojan on the pitch than Woods, Ince or McClean, either as a striker or attacking midfieider. If there is a reason for his exclusion, have the bollocks to say what it is. Or else give him a run in the team to prove his wankness, like the rest of them seem to get. This was my argument under rowett. Bauer Adam Bojan all outbthr squad when they are better than what we had on the pitch! Address fans and say why these players aren’t playing. For what it’s worth I’d play Bojan however I don’t see him around the club day in day out where there surely must be an issue?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 17, 2019 12:07:53 GMT
Then why not let him go? we might even get a bob or two for him. I’m not the manager I’m just putting a view out there. I’m getting sick of hearing about the lad if I’m honest. 5 or so managers all seem to think he isn’t good enough. What do I know The issue with this is that the fact it appears we’ve outright lied to one of the most popular players at the club, not so much his ability. We used to be seen as a shining example of how to conduct yourself as a football club, look at what we did with Rory. Now we look like we’re constructed of nothing but venom and deceit, that’s not the Stoke I know.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 12:08:23 GMT
Then why not let him go? we might even get a bob or two for him. I’m not the manager I’m just putting a view out there. I’m getting sick of hearing about the lad if I’m honest. 5 or so managers all seem to think he isn’t good enough. What do I know There would have been no harm in him going to WBA then would there? £27k off the wage bill, and maybe a fee, at a stage where we’re looking at a clear-out? Makes perfect sense. Unless, of course.....we think that he’s a player that could strengthen a rival....or it was avoiding bad PR, as Bojan suggests.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 12:08:37 GMT
I’ve felt like they were idiots and I’ve felt in the past they just been too tight and I’ve felt annoyed that we didn’t push on years a go again when we had the chance, but I’ve never felt that we treat our players badly or that they would outright lie to the fans. Maybe I am being too sensitive and I’ll calm down later but I feel like we’ve been totally mugged off. Being relegated was annoying because it was avoidable, being stuck in this league (at best) for the next few years is annoying (because we managed to make the situation worse over the summer not bettter) but treating people like this is just totally unacceptable. I feel like I don’t want any part it in. You don’t get to ruin people’s careers and limit their options if you don’t want them. I’ve always felt that at least Peter was decent and honest and am surprised and disappointed he’d let these things go on. That's the problem. Peter Coates' influence is waning as he's getting older and his wife is seriously ill. The boardroom has been taken over by schoolboys who don't know the first thing about what they're doing.
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Post by theteacher on Feb 17, 2019 12:10:17 GMT
The Bojan situation needs to be put to bed once and for all.
Play him in the number 10 role (at the tip of the dimond) for the remainder of the season - he either nails the role down for next season or he doesn’t and he leaves with our best wishes at the end of the season.
He cannot be any worse than Tom Ince who in my opinion has all the ability in the world but the heart of the tin man (such a waster - just missing the DNA of his father). You cannot build a team with wasters like Tom Ince who delivers something really good once every now and again and the rest of the time a passenger (offering nothing and carried by his team mates).
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 17, 2019 12:10:56 GMT
The exclusion of Bojan has hardly led to an improvement in form though, has it? I am getting tired of managers making ludicrous team selections, to be honest. How the fuck does McClean start up front ahead of Bojan? These managers that people keep quoting have been fucking useless in the main. Hughes at the end, Lambert and Rowett were abysmal, and Jones is doing his best to live up to them. I would sooner see Bojan on the pitch than Woods, Ince or McClean, either as a striker or attacking midfieider. If there is a reason for his exclusion, have the bollocks to say what it is. Or else give him a run in the team to prove his wankness, like the rest of them seem to get. This was my argument under rowett. Bauer Adam Bojan all outbthr squad when they are better than what we had on the pitch! Address fans and say why these players aren’t playing. For what it’s worth I’d play Bojan however I don’t see him around the club day in day out where there surely must be an issue?But if there is "an issue" with Bojan - why not simply sell him when an offer was submitted in January? As we are not playing him, we are hardly likely to get a higher offer in the summer. Love Bojan, or hate him, our current stance makes no sense at all! ![:-S](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kdD1n42dnzYd3v59eUB_.gif)
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