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Post by elystokie on Feb 18, 2019 14:12:02 GMT
You know very little then. So tell us what YOU know ? According to the press there were a number of clubs after him this window and previously.
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Post by tosh on Feb 18, 2019 14:13:27 GMT
You've very much missed the point haven't you. He wanted to fuck off and they wouldn't let him. Honestly, you start to wonder if people can even read on here... So he should fuck off then shouldn't he ? Where to ? Nobody wants him so far as I know. Sounds like you didn’t even bother to read the Sentinel article? West Brom approached Stoke for him in January and there were three other enquiries incl Huddersfield. We turned them down.
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Post by shangamuzo on Feb 18, 2019 14:14:54 GMT
So tell us what YOU know ? According to the press there were a number of clubs after him this window and previously. No firm offers though ? Give him away he's fuckin useless.
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Post by shangamuzo on Feb 18, 2019 14:16:15 GMT
So he should fuck off then shouldn't he ? Where to ? Nobody wants him so far as I know. Sounds like you didn’t even bother to read the Sentinel article? West Brom approached Stoke for him in January and there were three other enquiries incl Huddersfield. We turned them down. Enquiries maybe. Offers ? Fucking zero.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 18, 2019 14:17:37 GMT
According to the press there were a number of clubs after him this window and previously. No firm offers though ? Give him away he's fuckin useless. And YOU know there were no firm offers? It seems, as others have pointed out, you don't know shit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 14:18:03 GMT
It's unbelievable how you can still miss the point quite so spectacularly when I've laid out what I meant as well as I possibly could have without writing a 10-page essay. I can only think that you must have stopped reading at the mention of "Bojan-bashing brigade". I think everyone knows full-well that this site has two vocal sides in the matter and day after day we go against each other. I quite like the argumentative challenge as it gives me an excellent opportunity to train my English language skills, however I must stress that right now it seems like madness to devolve this discussion to back and forth between Pro-Bojan and Anti-Bojan. Lakeland Potter put it best a few hours ago when they said that this matter is above everyones opinion on Bojan's ability or their view on should he be playing or shouldn't he. This is about the club not the player. Substitute any other player in the squad in place of Bojan here and mostly everyone would agree that this isn't the way to treat you own employees. The fact that the player in question is indeed Bojan who's become such polarizing figure among the supporters seems to blind some people here to the fact that his treatment isn't really that fair. Of course everyone has their own personal opinion about what's a fair way to treat a human being, but that's a can of worms I'd rather not open here. NJ does have a place for him, second choice CAM, why does he have to explain himself? It's squad game and NJ has room for him in it. With a bit of luck he'll request to mutually terminate his contract and then he can swan off to the club he wanted to join in January. If he was that good he'd be playingI love this, this message board is almost solely made up of people saying 'why is the manager playing [insert player]?' And yet when it's a player you don't like suddenly the manager's decision making is perfect and he's clearly not good enough to play. I presume you think McClean is great and Clucas is a fantastic player, that Ince gives his all and is showing quality under Jones? All have started several games under Jones, if not all, and all have been torn to shit on this board.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 14:18:58 GMT
Can you give an example of a player that (a) has been given barely a sniff of a place in a team that can scarcely buy a goal at the moment ; and (b) that we had the opportunity to offload in January? I am not saying there isn't one. I just cannot think of one. No but it doesn't mean he's not part of the plans, he's got to earn his spot just like everybody else surely, this will achieve nothing but pushing him further down the pecking order. I'd much rather Berahino before ince & bojan there anyway tbhBerahino? Can't get in the squad. If he was that good he'd be playing
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Post by misii30 on Feb 18, 2019 14:19:00 GMT
According to the press there were a number of clubs after him this window and previously. No firm offers though ? Give him away he's fuckin useless. I present to you a quote from the very article that sparked the whole thread as you seem incapable of finding your way to actually read it yourself. "I never want to speak to the press about these things but now I’m in this situation that I can’t accept anymore. I had an offer in January to go which I think was fair for everyone but they didn’t let me go, perhaps scared about the reaction from fans because they know the fans love me."
"I had an offer in January to go which I think was fair for everyone but they didn’t let me go, perhaps scared about the reaction from fans because they know the fans love me."
"I had an offer in January to go which I think was fair for everyone but they didn’t let me go"
"I had an offer in January"
"I had an offer"
"Offer"
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 18, 2019 14:20:54 GMT
Assuming you've not deliberately missed the point of the entire thread - you're happy with the way the club has been run for the last 3 years? All tickety-boo for you? No but not everything is done with unintentional or intentional malice, there will be a reason we didn't allow the transfer Whatever the reason is, it is a bloody expensive reason at £27k per week for someone who the manager doesn't seem to want to play. I could understand it if the sides he was putting out were overflowing with creativity and scoring for fun. But, one (fluked) goal in 4 league games suggests that isn't the case.
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Post by tosh on Feb 18, 2019 14:20:55 GMT
Sounds like you didn’t even bother to read the Sentinel article? West Brom approached Stoke for him in January and there were three other enquiries incl Huddersfield. We turned them down. Enquiries maybe. Offers ? Fucking zero. I’ll try once more. West Brom wanted him. We refused their offer.
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Post by thebet365 on Feb 18, 2019 14:21:32 GMT
Sounds like you didn’t even bother to read the Sentinel article? West Brom approached Stoke for him in January and there were three other enquiries incl Huddersfield. We turned them down. Enquiries maybe. Offers ? Fucking zero. There was an offer on the table you pipe, and Stoke blocked it. That's what this whole thread is all about.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 14:23:38 GMT
You've very much missed the point haven't you. He wanted to fuck off and they wouldn't let him. Honestly, you start to wonder if people can even read on here... So he should fuck off then shouldn't he ? Where to ? Nobody wants him so far as I know.THAT'S BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T READ THE ARTICLE.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 18, 2019 14:25:19 GMT
The club can't really win in this situation. They keep him - people moan he's not playing (when there are clearly reasons we don't see day in, day out). They sell him to local rivals for peanuts and there is hell up with all the Bojan fanboys the second he has one assist. (Which he probably wouldn't get because they wouldn't pick him either because he's past it). But we didn't have to sell him to West Brom, the only known offer was £50k pw to New England Revolution? A deal he was talked out of, according to Guillem Balague, by Nathan Jones and the club. Sounds like you didn’t even bother to read the Sentinel article? West Brom approached Stoke for him in January and there were three other enquiries incl Huddersfield. We turned them down. Enquiries maybe. Offers ? Fucking zero. I'm sorry, I don't have the actual contract, but will that do?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 18, 2019 14:26:31 GMT
NJ does have a place for him, second choice CAM, why does he have to explain himself? It's squad game and NJ has room for him in it. With a bit of luck he'll request to mutually terminate his contract and then he can swan off to the club he wanted to join in January. If he was that good he'd be playingI love this, this message board is almost solely made up of people saying 'why is the manager playing [insert player]?' And yet when it's a player you don't like suddenly the manager's decision making is perfect and he's clearly not good enough to play. I presume you think McClean is great and Clucas is a fantastic player, that Ince gives his all and is showing quality under Jones? All have started several games under Jones, if not all, and all have been torn to shit on this board. Ask yourself why under his last 5 managers he hasn't nailed down a place, if at even played at all?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 14:26:51 GMT
Sounds like you didn’t even bother to read the Sentinel article? West Brom approached Stoke for him in January and there were three other enquiries incl Huddersfield. We turned them down. Enquiries maybe. Offers ? Fucking zero. If you consistently refuse to read simple pieces of information given to you, don't expect to be taken seriously.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 18, 2019 14:29:30 GMT
No but it doesn't mean he's not part of the plans, he's got to earn his spot just like everybody else surely, this will achieve nothing but pushing him further down the pecking order. I'd much rather Berahino before ince & bojan there anyway tbhBerahino? Can't get in the squad. If he was that good he'd be playing Berahino is sadly a bit of a Herbert or he would be, what's bojan's reason for not nailing a spot down?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 14:29:42 GMT
I love this, this message board is almost solely made up of people saying 'why is the manager playing [insert player]?' And yet when it's a player you don't like suddenly the manager's decision making is perfect and he's clearly not good enough to play. I presume you think McClean is great and Clucas is a fantastic player, that Ince gives his all and is showing quality under Jones? All have started several games under Jones, if not all, and all have been torn to shit on this board. Ask yourself why under his last 5 managers he hasn't nailed down a place, if at even played at all? Hughes - lost his bottle post april 2016. Lambert - shite Rowett - despised him Jones - has been here 7 games, the last 3 of which he's wanted to be able to switch to 433 quickly in game, and the first 3 of which Bojan was ill. On loan - both hoofball teams, one of which couldn't afford to play him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 14:30:24 GMT
Berahino? Can't get in the squad. If he was that good he'd be playing Berahino is sadly a bit of a Herbert or he would be, what's bojan? In the case of the past 4 managers he's played under, he's a victim of being a flair player under a manager terrified of his own shadow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 14:31:20 GMT
I love this, this message board is almost solely made up of people saying 'why is the manager playing [insert player]?' And yet when it's a player you don't like suddenly the manager's decision making is perfect and he's clearly not good enough to play. I presume you think McClean is great and Clucas is a fantastic player, that Ince gives his all and is showing quality under Jones? All have started several games under Jones, if not all, and all have been torn to shit on this board. Ask yourself why under his last 5 managers he hasn't nailed down a place, if at even played at all? You're like an old grammophone record, can only play one and the same groove over and over again. You asked this stupid question a couple of times in this thread already, in fact you've asked this question in every single Bojan thread - and there's quite a few of them. If someone puts up a new Bojan thread, your question is guaranteed to come up at some point.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 18, 2019 14:33:50 GMT
Ask yourself why under his last 5 managers he hasn't nailed down a place, if at even played at all? Hughes - lost his bottle post april 2016. Lambert - shite Rowett - despised him Jones - has been here 7 games, the last 3 of which he's wanted to be able to switch to 433 quickly in game, and the first 3 of which Bojan was ill. On loan - both hoofball teams, one of which couldn't afford to play him. 😁 bloody hell.. yeah, he's been really 'unlucky' has bojan, a bit like mark hughes in a way
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 18, 2019 14:34:47 GMT
No firm offers though ? Give him away he's fuckin useless. I present to you a quote from the very article that sparked the whole thread as you seem incapable of finding your way to actually read it yourself. "I never want to speak to the press about these things but now I’m in this situation that I can’t accept anymore. I had an offer in January to go which I think was fair for everyone but they didn’t let me go, perhaps scared about the reaction from fans because they know the fans love me."
"I had an offer in January to go which I think was fair for everyone but they didn’t let me go, perhaps scared about the reaction from fans because they know the fans love me."
"I had an offer in January to go which I think was fair for everyone but they didn’t let me go"
"I had an offer in January"
"I had an offer"
"Offer"
Yes but what's an offer. I made offers to lots of women but all come to fuck all, well I say fuck all, the odd slap and exclusion order! He offered her honour, she honoured his offer, he was offer and on her all night!
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Post by misii30 on Feb 18, 2019 14:37:48 GMT
I love this, this message board is almost solely made up of people saying 'why is the manager playing [insert player]?' And yet when it's a player you don't like suddenly the manager's decision making is perfect and he's clearly not good enough to play. I presume you think McClean is great and Clucas is a fantastic player, that Ince gives his all and is showing quality under Jones? All have started several games under Jones, if not all, and all have been torn to shit on this board. Ask yourself why under his last 5 managers he hasn't nailed down a place, if at even played at all? Everyone's talking about 5 managers being wrong. It's actually 7 managers plus Nathan Jones so far. Alavés had 3 different managers the season he was there. If you're going to bash someone get your facts right first people. You're welcome.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 18, 2019 14:38:53 GMT
Ask yourself why under his last 5 managers he hasn't nailed down a place, if at even played at all? Everyone's talking about 5 managers being wrong. It's actually 7 managers plus Nathan Jones so far. Alavés had 3 different managers the season he was there. If you're going to bash someone get your facts right first people. You're welcome. Much appreciated .. So then.....😁
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Post by elystokie on Feb 18, 2019 14:54:58 GMT
Ask yourself why under his last 5 managers he hasn't nailed down a place, if at even played at all? You're like an old grammophone record, can only play one and the same groove over and over again. You asked this stupid question a couple of times in this thread already, in fact you've asked this question in every single Bojan thread - and there's quite a few of them. If someone puts up a new Bojan thread, your question is guaranteed to come up at some point. I don't think you're on your own noticing this, it's extremely tedious.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 18, 2019 15:05:42 GMT
Ask yourself why under his last 5 managers he hasn't nailed down a place, if at even played at all? You're like an old grammophone record, can only play one and the same groove over and over again. You asked this stupid question a couple of times in this thread already, in fact you've asked this question in every single Bojan thread - and there's quite a few of them. If someone puts up a new Bojan thread, your question is guaranteed to come up at some point. Do you not see the irony in your own post bearing in mind this player has not done anything of note for 3 years?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 15:10:40 GMT
You're like an old grammophone record, can only play one and the same groove over and over again. You asked this stupid question a couple of times in this thread already, in fact you've asked this question in every single Bojan thread - and there's quite a few of them. If someone puts up a new Bojan thread, your question is guaranteed to come up at some point. Do you not see the irony in your own post bearing in mind this player has not done anything of note for 3 years? But thank the fucking lord Berahino had our backs in those 3 years eh? Also you’ve been proven wrong many times for stating 3 years - 3 years was the end of 2015/16 season which was full Stokealona time. Then we bought Imbula and didn’t need Bojan anymore. And didn’t that work out well for us?! But please do carry on with your disproven “facts” to something which, for the millionth time, is not even the point of this thread
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 15:14:25 GMT
Hughes - lost his bottle post april 2016. Lambert - shite Rowett - despised him Jones - has been here 7 games, the last 3 of which he's wanted to be able to switch to 433 quickly in game, and the first 3 of which Bojan was ill. On loan - both hoofball teams, one of which couldn't afford to play him. 😁 bloody hell.. yeah, he's been really 'unlucky' has bojan, a bit like mark hughes in a way Well it's only as unlucky as we've been as fans. We've had 3 failed managers in the last 3 attempts before Jones. Unless you disagree with that?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 18, 2019 15:29:45 GMT
😁 bloody hell.. yeah, he's been really 'unlucky' has bojan, a bit like mark hughes in a way Well it's only as unlucky as we've been as fans. We've had 3 failed managers in the last 3 attempts before Jones. Unless you disagree with that? i believe mark hughes failed at stoke, the damage had been done before lambert arrived, Rowett took the flack and NJ is arriving at a time when the fans are realising the squad wasnt actually that good to begin with. Players make their own luck.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 18, 2019 15:30:24 GMT
Berahino is sadly a bit of a Herbert or he would be, what's bojan? In the case of the past 4 managers he's played under, he's a victim of being a flair player under a manager terrified of his own shadow. He can hope for Klopp or Guardiola then, I guess they will suit his skills.
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Post by dutchstokie on Feb 18, 2019 15:37:20 GMT
All our latest managers are of the same ilk. Defence seems to be their number one priority and they don't seem to now what to do with a creative player. Then again this discussion is all about how Bojan was treated and why NJ stated he has a role for him while he obviously haven't. Every manager's number one priority should be the defence - get that wrong and you're screwed. The idolatry of Bojan is ludicrous - he's failed to establish himself under 4 manager's at Stoke and 2 others while out on loan. That's either a conspiracy to put the faked moon landings to shame or the plain and simple fact that for all his technical ability Bojan hasn't got what it takes to hold down a place in a professional football team. He doesn't like the physical side of the game, ducks out of tackles and hides after the slightest knock. The sooner he goes the better. Just replace ‘Bojan’ with ‘the squad’ and youve pretty much nailed it
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