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Post by jimmygscfc on Feb 18, 2019 11:46:54 GMT
I think Diouf, as well as Bojan, might offer an option to galvanise that Saido doesn't have in him. They've both played together in Stoke performances that had a bit more spark than what we're currently experiencing.
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Post by kurt on Feb 18, 2019 11:49:32 GMT
Bojan's had enough; I know how he feels. That´s for sure and i think he should play in a technically better equiped league like in Spain. Don´t think that the football in England suits to him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 12:19:05 GMT
Bojan - 445 minutes of football in the league spread across 15 appearances. Only four starts and a number of apperances of 10 minutes or less. 1 Goal (and it was a cracker). Never started consecutive games. Never had a chance to fit into the team or form a partnership or understanding with a fellow attacker.
James Maclean - 1862 minutes across 29 appearances. 20 Starts. 2 goals (inclusive of the gimme on the weekend)
Tom Ince - 2357 minutes of football in the league across 29 appearances. 28 starts. 6 goals.
Even Diouf with 457 minutes in 7 appearances (six starts) has more time on the park than Bojan. But that was mainly at the beginning of the season.
I accept Maclean and Ince were Rowett's signing and he had to use them, but that's hardly a solid attacking partnership.
This data is diabolical.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 12:26:50 GMT
Bojan - 445 minutes of football in the league spread across 15 appearances. Only four starts and a number of apperances of 10 minutes or less. 1 Goal (and it was a cracker). Never started consecutive games. Never had a chance to fit into the team or form a partnership or understanding with a fellow attacker. James Maclean - 1862 minutes across 29 appearances. 20 Starts. 2 goals (inclusive of the gimme on the weekend) Tom Ince - 2357 minutes of football in the league across 29 appearances. 28 starts. 6 goals. Even Diouf with 457 minutes in 7 appearances (six starts) has more time on the park than Bojan. But that was mainly at the beginning of the season. I accept Maclean and Ince were Rowett's signing and he had to use them, but that's hardly a solid attacking partnership. This data is diabolical. Also I would be interested to know how many goals we have conceded when Bojan was on the pitch. You always see the weak defensively argument but against Hull the goal we conceded from open play was when he went off and Ince came on - 3/4 minutes after I believe. Now I'm not saying he's Robert Huth II by any means but I think his ability to move forwards and cause so many problem helps us not concede and he helps keep the ball at the right end. I could be wrong but it is a stat I would be interested to see...
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Post by kidcrewbob on Feb 18, 2019 12:27:25 GMT
It's this sort of diabolical story that makes a decision not to renew 3 STs all the easier - we're a shit show, wall to wall wankers from the top down who have not only killed the golden goose but ripped out its entrails having fucked it in the parsons nose.....and if Jones is carrying this treatment on for the rest of the season then he can go and get fucked as well.....
QSF was the man to develop a true continental style & flair and we fucked it up by getting all precious at the death - bunch of fucking clowns
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Post by maliciousdamage on Feb 18, 2019 12:29:51 GMT
Bojan - 445 minutes of football in the league spread across 15 appearances. Only four starts and a number of apperances of 10 minutes or less. 1 Goal (and it was a cracker). Never started consecutive games. Never had a chance to fit into the team or form a partnership or understanding with a fellow attacker. James Maclean - 1862 minutes across 29 appearances. 20 Starts. 2 goals (inclusive of the gimme on the weekend) Tom Ince - 2357 minutes of football in the league across 29 appearances. 28 starts. 6 goals. Even Diouf with 457 minutes in 7 appearances (six starts) has more time on the park than Bojan. But that was mainly at the beginning of the season. I accept Maclean and Ince were Rowett's signing and he had to use them, but that's hardly a solid attacking partnership. This data is diabolical. For me it is quite unbelievable and you’d think Jones would say stuff it let’s give him a run but no we continually get the cart horse McClean up top!
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Post by nott1 on Feb 18, 2019 12:32:47 GMT
It all points to one thing, both Rowett and Jones don't have a clue what they are doing. They don't have the nous to manage in a league higher than League one and they are not capable of treating or inspiring players to perform better.Things will not get better and Jones will be gone next season. Moyes is on his way unless he gets snapped up by another club.He's not top drawer but he's better than Jones and Rowett. The experiment is over.We need real experience to get out of this mess.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Feb 18, 2019 12:38:11 GMT
and as if it couldn't get any worse for the little fella, he has to sit on the bench and watch the shit that is chosen to play ahead of him.
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Post by misii30 on Feb 18, 2019 13:15:41 GMT
There was around 8 pages of united discussion in this thread where those who rate Bojan and even many who don't were all in agreement that this is no way to treat a player, or a human being for that matter. It was actually refreshing to see and while the subject in itself wasn't a positive one this was the first thread in ages where it didn't quickly turn to mindless bickering between posters and to tell you the truth I was almost smiling as I felt this weird sense of unity and togetherness. Hasn't happened too many times this season on this forum. The discussion was slowly but surely starting to slow down and die out when the usual Bojan-bashing brigade decided to crawl out of the woodwork. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on a player but this isn't about Bojan's ability this time, like it wasn't when Bojan was being unfairly singled out by Rowett when he wasn't even nowhere near the team that was underachieving so badly. The posters that make this about Bojan's injury, loans, application in training, etc. are missing the point entirely. This is about Stoke City and the way the club is conducting themselves at this moment. In light of this interview it looks really, really bad right now. Are we really denying a footballer whose career is short enough already a chance to ply his trade somewhere else when he's already wasted a number of years here and has shown that he doesn't want to go unless he's practically forced out of the door. Football is harsh business and I could almost understand if the transfer was denied because we need him as a backup and don't want him to go to a rival team and start tearing up the league. Even though we seem to be 100% sure he can't do that anyway, otherwise he would probably be on the pitch occasionally. The part where this stops being a business matter and starts being a basic human decency matter is the way he's being led with false promises about a new beginning and Jones going as far as telling the press Bojan's "the perfect player for his system". Everyone at the club knows about the hardships he's had to endure in the last few years starting with the knee injury and more recently wasting a year of his career at Alavés because the board decided he was too expensive to be played right after signing him. Then coming back here and getting completely banished from the team to train with under 18's (fun fact; when Bojan was the same age as those lads he had already played two years for Barcelona and won the Champions League. It's time from the club to offer some amount of transparency because the way it seems everything keeps going from bad to worse as much on the pitch as off it. I'm sure all of this was already said by other posters in this thread but I needed to vent a bit so I don't blow up from the anger. I didn't decide 'to crawl out of the woodwork' I've had a busy weekend. As much as some of you don't appreciate what you call the "Bojan bashing brigade" likewise some people don't appreciate the "Bojan is my little blue eyed boy" brigade. If he was that good he would be playing, it's that simple, 4 managers do Not have an agenda. Sooner he's fucked off the better, no one player deserves preferential treatment. It's a squad game. He turned up the heat on Rowett & now yet another manager isn't busting a gut to roll out the red carpet to play him, even when he supposedly suits the style of play. Strange, don't you think? What I do think is if he's so unhappy he has to go blarting to the media ask him to mutually terminate his contract instead of us paying his contract up. I'd rather resign Stephen Ireland until the end of the season to replace him. It's unbelievable how you can still miss the point quite so spectacularly when I've laid out what I meant as well as I possibly could have without writing a 10-page essay. I can only think that you must have stopped reading at the mention of "Bojan-bashing brigade". I think everyone knows full-well that this site has two vocal sides in the matter and day after day we go against each other. I quite like the argumentative challenge as it gives me an excellent opportunity to train my English language skills, however I must stress that right now it seems like madness to devolve this discussion to back and forth between Pro-Bojan and Anti-Bojan. Lakeland Potter put it best a few hours ago when they said that this matter is above everyones opinion on Bojan's ability or their view on should he be playing or shouldn't he. This is about the club not the player. Substitute any other player in the squad in place of Bojan here and mostly everyone would agree that this isn't the way to treat you own employees. The fact that the player in question is indeed Bojan who's become such polarizing figure among the supporters seems to blind some people here to the fact that his treatment isn't really that fair. Of course everyone has their own personal opinion about what's a fair way to treat a human being, but that's a can of worms I'd rather not open here.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 18, 2019 13:21:05 GMT
I didn't decide 'to crawl out of the woodwork' I've had a busy weekend. As much as some of you don't appreciate what you call the "Bojan bashing brigade" likewise some people don't appreciate the "Bojan is my little blue eyed boy" brigade. If he was that good he would be playing, it's that simple, 4 managers do Not have an agenda. Sooner he's fucked off the better, no one player deserves preferential treatment. It's a squad game. He turned up the heat on Rowett & now yet another manager isn't busting a gut to roll out the red carpet to play him, even when he supposedly suits the style of play. Strange, don't you think? What I do think is if he's so unhappy he has to go blarting to the media ask him to mutually terminate his contract instead of us paying his contract up. I'd rather resign Stephen Ireland until the end of the season to replace him. It's unbelievable how you can still miss the point quite so spectacularly when I've laid out what I meant as well as I possibly could have without writing a 10-page essay. I can only think that you must have stopped reading at the mention of "Bojan-bashing brigade". I think everyone knows full-well that this site has two vocal sides in the matter and day after day we go against each other. I quite like the argumentative challenge as it gives me an excellent opportunity to train my English language skills, however I must stress that right now it seems like madness to devolve this discussion to back and forth between Pro-Bojan and Anti-Bojan. Lakeland Potter put it best a few hours ago when they said that this matter is above everyones opinion on Bojan's ability or their view on should he be playing or shouldn't he. This is about the club not the player. Substitute any other player in the squad in place of Bojan here and mostly everyone would agree that this isn't the way to treat you own employees. The fact that the player in question is indeed Bojan who's become such polarizing figure among the supporters seems to blind some people here to the fact that his treatment isn't really that fair. Of course everyone has their own personal opinion about what's a fair way to treat a human being, but that's a can of worms I'd rather not open here. NJ does have a place for him, second choice CAM, why does he have to explain himself? It's squad game and NJ has room for him in it. With a bit of luck he'll request to mutually terminate his contract and then he can swan off to the club he wanted to join in January. If he was that good he'd be playing
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Post by jimmygscfc on Feb 18, 2019 13:28:41 GMT
If you promise to swan off to another message board at the same time, I might just be able to get over Bojan leaving.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 18, 2019 13:31:29 GMT
If you promise to swan off to another message board at the same time, I might just be able to get over Bojan leaving. I'll promise you the sun will still come up the next morning without poor ickle hard done too bojey😚
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Post by jimmygscfc on Feb 18, 2019 13:36:36 GMT
It's less to do with Bojan, and everything to do with how you handle yourself on this board, and on this topic in particular. It's not what you say, it's how you say it. Grow up a bit.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 18, 2019 13:40:01 GMT
It's less to do with Bojan, and everything to do with how you handle yourself on this board, and on this topic in particular. It's not what you say, it's how you say it. Grow up a bit. If this was a different player people would be saying he's an arse for going public
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 13:47:17 GMT
Bojan - 445 minutes of football in the league spread across 15 appearances. Only four starts and a number of apperances of 10 minutes or less. 1 Goal (and it was a cracker). Never started consecutive games. Never had a chance to fit into the team or form a partnership or understanding with a fellow attacker. James Maclean - 1862 minutes across 29 appearances. 20 Starts. 2 goals (inclusive of the gimme on the weekend) Tom Ince - 2357 minutes of football in the league across 29 appearances. 28 starts. 6 goals. Even Diouf with 457 minutes in 7 appearances (six starts) has more time on the park than Bojan. But that was mainly at the beginning of the season. I accept Maclean and Ince were Rowett's signing and he had to use them, but that's hardly a solid attacking partnership. This data is diabolical. Makes you wonder whether there isn't some percentages going somewhere in the club. X helped sign Y player and gets a percentage from Y's agent everytime Y plays. Player Z was signed through U's personal contacts, and X gets no percentages every time Z plays. X is an old friend of W, so X offers W a small share of his percentage if he makes sure Z doesn't play. Well to quote someone earlier in the thread, nothing will surprise me anymore.
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Post by bertjones on Feb 18, 2019 13:48:14 GMT
It’s an absolute disgrace the way he has been treated. I’m just amazed that none of the Premier League clubs have come in for him. Surely Shaq should have told "Klipppy Klop" how good he is? It’s amazing that he has been ignored by the big clubs. I mean don’t they know how gifted he is? And as for Stoke City, the way they treat their employees is a disgrace. They probably only pay him in excess of £30,000 a week, and yet again another manager thinks he ain't good enough to play, so they put him on the bench.
Despicable treatment from Stoke.
I am just glad my employers don't pay me £30,000 a week and treat me that way, cos if they did, I would also go and search out the local comic and shit stir. Perhaps to help the young man, we should all start a "just giving" page for him. Like my arse Bojan, like my arse.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Feb 18, 2019 13:52:05 GMT
It's less to do with Bojan, and everything to do with how you handle yourself on this board, and on this topic in particular. It's not what you say, it's how you say it. Grow up a bit. If this was a different player people would be saying he's an arse for going public Can you give an example of a player that (a) has been given barely a sniff of a place in a team that can scarcely buy a goal at the moment ; and (b) that we had the opportunity to offload in January? I am not saying there isn't one. I just cannot think of one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 13:52:30 GMT
To be a non-believer when it comes to Bojan leads to endless discussions on this board, very strange that such a fantastic player aren't picked by manager after manager though! Have you even read the interview?
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Post by shangamuzo on Feb 18, 2019 13:56:09 GMT
Fuck off then and good riddance-lightweight.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Feb 18, 2019 14:00:47 GMT
It's less to do with Bojan, and everything to do with how you handle yourself on this board, and on this topic in particular. It's not what you say, it's how you say it. Grow up a bit. If this was a different player people would be saying he's an arse for going public Would they fuck - SCFC has such a stench of fetid ineptitude that people need to start lifting the lid - who better than the players? We are a fucking festering sore and it's not going to get better until someone rips the scab off once and for all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 14:03:32 GMT
Fuck off then and good riddance-lightweight. You've very much missed the point haven't you. He wanted to fuck off and they wouldn't let him. Honestly, you start to wonder if people can even read on here...
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Post by elystokie on Feb 18, 2019 14:05:44 GMT
It's less to do with Bojan, and everything to do with how you handle yourself on this board, and on this topic in particular. It's not what you say, it's how you say it. Grow up a bit. If this was a different player people would be saying he's an arse for going public If it was a player like Berahino they probably would. It's probably something to do with a couple of things called context and history, humans are weird that way...
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Post by shangamuzo on Feb 18, 2019 14:05:49 GMT
Fuck off then and good riddance-lightweight. You've very much missed the point haven't you. He wanted to fuck off and they wouldn't let him. Honestly, you start to wonder if people can even read on here... So he should fuck off then shouldn't he ? Where to ? Nobody wants him so far as I know.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 18, 2019 14:07:11 GMT
You've very much missed the point haven't you. He wanted to fuck off and they wouldn't let him. Honestly, you start to wonder if people can even read on here... So he should fuck off then shouldn't he ? Where to ? Nobody wants him so far as I know. You know very little then.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 18, 2019 14:07:14 GMT
If this was a different player people would be saying he's an arse for going public Would they fuck - SCFC has such a stench of fetid ineptitude that people need to start lifting the lid - who better than the players? We are a fucking festering sore and it's not going to get better until someone rips the scab off once and for all. Club in "doesn't want to let a player go in January scandal" , not even worthy of chip wrapper if the player didn't make a big deal of it
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Post by shangamuzo on Feb 18, 2019 14:08:27 GMT
So he should fuck off then shouldn't he ? Where to ? Nobody wants him so far as I know. You know very little then. So tell us what YOU know ?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 18, 2019 14:08:51 GMT
Fuck off then and good riddance-lightweight. You've very much missed the point haven't you. He wanted to fuck off and they wouldn't let him. Honestly, you start to wonder if people can even read on here... He can probably read the words. But that is all they are to him - words. He hasn't yet reached that lightbulb moment when he works out that words actually mean something. He'll be as happy as a pig in shit when he works that out.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Feb 18, 2019 14:10:10 GMT
Would they fuck - SCFC has such a stench of fetid ineptitude that people need to start lifting the lid - who better than the players? We are a fucking festering sore and it's not going to get better until someone rips the scab off once and for all. Club in "doesn't want to let a player go in January scandal" , not even worthy of chip wrapper if the player didn't make a big deal of it Assuming you've not deliberately missed the point of the entire thread - you're happy with the way the club has been run for the last 3 years? All tickety-boo for you?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 18, 2019 14:10:21 GMT
If this was a different player people would be saying he's an arse for going public Can you give an example of a player that (a) has been given barely a sniff of a place in a team that can scarcely buy a goal at the moment ; and (b) that we had the opportunity to offload in January? I am not saying there isn't one. I just cannot think of one. No but it doesn't mean he's not part of the plans, he's got to earn his spot just like everybody else surely, this will achieve nothing but pushing him further down the pecking order. I'd much rather Berahino before ince & bojan there anyway tbh
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 18, 2019 14:11:53 GMT
Club in "doesn't want to let a player go in January scandal" , not even worthy of chip wrapper if the player didn't make a big deal of it Assuming you've not deliberately missed the point of the entire thread - you're happy with the way the club has been run for the last 3 years? All tickety-boo for you? No but not everything is done with unintentional or intentional malice, there will be a reason we didn't allow the transfer
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