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Post by jarhead on Feb 18, 2019 7:55:53 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Feb 18, 2019 7:56:29 GMT
So you're not 'sick to death of reading about it' then? Make your mind up. I’m sick to death of it like I am sick to death of fan boys constantly quoting my thoughts of why he isn’t playing. Hopefully he starts Saturday and scores 3. But i hope tears don’t spoil some of his fancy clubs face paint You're making less and less sense the more you go on, maybe take a few minutes out, have a lie down, re read what you've already wrote (you seem to have forgotten) and see how you feel then?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 7:58:43 GMT
I’m sick to death of it like I am sick to death of fan boys constantly quoting my thoughts of why he isn’t playing. Hopefully he starts Saturday and scores 3. But i hope tears don’t spoil some of his fancy clubs face paint You're making less and less sense the more you go on, maybe take a few minutes out, have a lie down, re read what you've already wrote (you seem to have forgotten) and see how you feel then? Again you can’t stop quoting my comments can you! Listen I’ve got go work now. Enjoy half term and keep the faith.. Ole ole ole ole Bojan
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Post by elystokie on Feb 18, 2019 8:00:14 GMT
You're making less and less sense the more you go on, maybe take a few minutes out, have a lie down, re read what you've already wrote (you seem to have forgotten) and see how you feel then? Again you can’t stop quoting my comments can you! Listen I’ve got go work now. Enjoy half term and keep the faith.. Ole ole ole ole Bojan
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 18, 2019 8:01:40 GMT
To be a non-believer when it comes to Bojan leads to endless discussions on this board, very strange that such a fantastic player aren't picked by manager after manager though!
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Post by stokesupporter on Feb 18, 2019 8:09:45 GMT
To be a non-believer when it comes to Bojan leads to endless discussions on this board, very strange that such a fantastic player aren't picked by manager after manager though! All our latest managers are of the same ilk. Defence seems to be their number one priority and they don't seem to now what to do with a creative player. Then again this discussion is all about how Bojan was treated and why NJ stated he has a role for him while he obviously haven't.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 18, 2019 8:10:51 GMT
To be a non-believer when it comes to Bojan leads to endless discussions on this board, very strange that such a fantastic player aren't picked by manager after manager though! Very...
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 18, 2019 8:31:04 GMT
Quite bizarre (but probably inevitable) that this thread has now descended to this level of abuse between the pro Bojan and anti Bojan camps. Can't we ALL agree, whatever our opinion on Bojan's current ability - or lack of it, that the club is at fault for refusing an offer (from West Brom) in January for a player who the manager is not prepared to play. It is made worse by the fact that NJ has previously said that Bojan does have a future at the club. To me it all boils down to the fact that any Championship club which pays a 28 year old player £27k* per week to sit on the bench having refused point blank to transfer him in January, doesn't really deserve any sympathy. I have no idea whether the ultimate blame lies with the manager, the chief exec or the board (or a combination of all three) but there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with the way this club is being run at present. Can we please get back to debating how and why the club has got into this mess and leave our personal opinions as to Bojan's ability aside? Note: £27K per week equals nearly £700,000 in wages from January to the end of the club's financial year in June - that's a heluva lot of season tickets. I hope the club have a think about that before moaning if sales are dramatically down this spring.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Feb 18, 2019 8:34:13 GMT
What really stinks about this is just how complicit NJ is with the whole charade. I’d hoped he’d cut through all the bollocks, but it seems to be a case of ‘meet The new boss, same as the old boss’.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 8:40:03 GMT
What really stinks about this is just how complicit NJ is with the whole charade. I’d hoped he’d cut through all the bollocks, but it seems to be a case of ‘meet The new boss, same as the old boss’. I feel the same. And so disappointed because I did like him. I thought he at least seamed honest and decent but this looks bad now doesn’t it. And the fact that Bojan says he doesn’t know why suggests he hasn’t even spoken with him which is also quite bad. I understand he must have a lot on but if he’s not communicating properly with the squad then you wonder whether he’s ever going to get anything out of them. Such a shame. Be interesting to see what he says about it when he’s asked and what he does. If we see Bojan now bombed out again then it’ll be 90mins of ole ole ole for the rest of the season which isn’t really what anyone wants or needs.
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Post by pottarius on Feb 18, 2019 9:01:41 GMT
Quite bizarre (but probably inevitable) that this thread has now descended to this level of abuse between the pro Bojan and anti Bojan camps. Can't we ALL agree, whatever our opinion on Bojan's current ability - or lack of it, that the club is at fault for refusing an offer (from West Brom) in January for a player who the manager is not prepared to play. It is made worse by the fact that NJ has previously said that Bojan does have a future at the club. To me it all boils down to the fact that any Championship club which pays a 28 year old player £27k* per week to sit on the bench having refused point blank to transfer him in January, doesn't really deserve any sympathy. I have no idea whether the ultimate blame lies with the manager, the chief exec or the board (or a combination of all three) but there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with the way this club is being run at present. Can we please get back to debating how and why the club has got into this mess and leave our personal opinions as to Bojan's ability aside? Note: £27K per week equals nearly £700,000 in wages from January to the end of the club's financial year in June - that's a heluva lot of season tickets. I hope the club have a think about that before moaning if sales are dramatically down this spring. Hear, hear! It frankly is a bizarre situation (the Bojan treatment not the numbnut arguments). I am struggling to see how he's not getting a chance with the likes of Ince, Woods, Clucas, Saido, Afobe etc seemingly relatively immune to the cold shoulder I was going to attempt to reel off footballing ideas why he'd be getting ignored but interestingly, and perhaps not coincidentally the other getting similar is Diouf. The more I consider it, the more I'm convinced there is a financial angle to this - both Diouf and Bojan are on the higher end of the weekly wedge brigade and have been at SCFC about similar length of time. Is there a bonus due? Perhaps even a stipulation for it to be paid in the event of a transfer also that might make any low offer from a bidder even worse as Stoke might be further out of pocket? Clutching at straws I know but there is something very amiss about this
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Post by realstokebloke on Feb 18, 2019 9:21:47 GMT
Quite bizarre (but probably inevitable) that this thread has now descended to this level of abuse between the pro Bojan and anti Bojan camps. Can't we ALL agree, whatever our opinion on Bojan's current ability - or lack of it, that the club is at fault for refusing an offer (from West Brom) in January for a player who the manager is not prepared to play. It is made worse by the fact that NJ has previously said that Bojan does have a future at the club. To me it all boils down to the fact that any Championship club which pays a 28 year old player £27k* per week to sit on the bench having refused point blank to transfer him in January, doesn't really deserve any sympathy. I have no idea whether the ultimate blame lies with the manager, the chief exec or the board (or a combination of all three) but there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with the way this club is being run at present. Can we please get back to debating how and why the club has got into this mess and leave our personal opinions as to Bojan's ability aside? Note: £27K per week equals nearly £700,000 in wages from January to the end of the club's financial year in June - that's a heluva lot of season tickets. I hope the club have a think about that before moaning if sales are dramatically down this spring. Forny, you usually spout a load of old bollox on here but that, sirrah, is bang on.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 18, 2019 9:22:31 GMT
To be a non-believer when it comes to Bojan leads to endless discussions on this board, very strange that such a fantastic player aren't picked by manager after manager though! All our latest managers are of the same ilk. Defence seems to be their number one priority and they don't seem to now what to do with a creative player. Then again this discussion is all about how Bojan was treated and why NJ stated he has a role for him while he obviously haven't. Every manager's number one priority should be the defence - get that wrong and you're screwed. The idolatry of Bojan is ludicrous - he's failed to establish himself under 4 manager's at Stoke and 2 others while out on loan. That's either a conspiracy to put the faked moon landings to shame or the plain and simple fact that for all his technical ability Bojan hasn't got what it takes to hold down a place in a professional football team. He doesn't like the physical side of the game, ducks out of tackles and hides after the slightest knock. The sooner he goes the better.
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Post by realstokebloke on Feb 18, 2019 9:25:56 GMT
What really stinks about this is just how complicit NJ is with the whole charade. I’d hoped he’d cut through all the bollocks, but it seems to be a case of ‘meet The new boss, same as the old boss’. Correct. NJ's own personal agenda this far seemed to have been change, revolution, new broom etc. etc.
So unless he explains (hopefully) or distances himself from this nonsense, his approval ratings won't stack up for very much longer.
And, of course, if he distances himself from these events, he alienates the board or the powerful individual(s) drving them.
It is a mess.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 18, 2019 9:49:14 GMT
If you look at the recent 'disasters' the club has been through (this isn't a comprehensive list) mostly off the pitch i.e.
Relegation* 4 managers in a year QSF debacle Wimmer negotiation Berahino off field antics and tabloids McCleangate Bauer social media handling Bojan Pieters sold with no LB replacement Etc etc.
Yes Scholes/Cartwright have presided over all of it. But a major change has been evolving in Peter handing over to John (See welcoming photos of the recent managers). The culture of an organisation follows the lead from the top generally, change the top and change the culture.
* Mostly on the pitch but influenced by recruitment, investment, overgenerous contracts, contract renewals etc.
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Post by tosh on Feb 18, 2019 9:57:23 GMT
All our latest managers are of the same ilk. Defence seems to be their number one priority and they don't seem to now what to do with a creative player. Then again this discussion is all about how Bojan was treated and why NJ stated he has a role for him while he obviously haven't. Every manager's number one priority should be the defence - get that wrong and you're screwed. The idolatry of Bojan is ludicrous - he's failed to establish himself under 4 manager's at Stoke and 2 others while out on loan. That's either a conspiracy to put the faked moon landings to shame or the plain and simple fact that for all his technical ability Bojan hasn't got what it takes to hold down a place in a professional football team. He doesn't like the physical side of the game, ducks out of tackles and hides after the slightest knock. The sooner he goes the better. If the Stoke hierarchy agreed with you why didn’t they snap West Brom’s hand off and save themselves a load of cash? If he were that bad, they would have been able to point the finger at him failing at the Baggies, and say Look - we did the right thing and we don’t know what all the fuss was about! Could it be that they feared the embarrassment and backlash if he did well there and they were promoted? Why else would you waste the money, not play him and yet trick him into staying. Perhaps they’re not as convinced as you that he’s now a bad player? If they were they would surely have sold him. Mores the pity then, that the manager’s not given him a run of games, like he has with other players, so we can all find out. To deceive and act against the career interests of a player, who has shown nothing but loyalty and respect to your club for five years would be inexcusable behaviour and something I would never have expected to see at Stoke City.
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Post by mrred on Feb 18, 2019 9:58:26 GMT
What really stinks about this is just how complicit NJ is with the whole charade. I’d hoped he’d cut through all the bollocks, but it seems to be a case of ‘meet The new boss, same as the old boss’. Is is the worrying thing. I want to be fully behind this guy. But I'm not going to support any 'office politics' or any of the same shit that's been going on for years. The purpose of Jones is that he's clean slate and not a resentful, bitter old prick like the last few.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Feb 18, 2019 10:26:12 GMT
Every manager's number one priority should be the defence - get that wrong and you're screwed. The idolatry of Bojan is ludicrous - he's failed to establish himself under 4 manager's at Stoke and 2 others while out on loan. That's either a conspiracy to put the faked moon landings to shame or the plain and simple fact that for all his technical ability Bojan hasn't got what it takes to hold down a place in a professional football team. He doesn't like the physical side of the game, ducks out of tackles and hides after the slightest knock. The sooner he goes the better. If the Stoke hierarchy agreed with you why didn’t they snap West Brom’s hand off and save themselves a load of cash? If he were that bad, they would have been able to point the finger at him failing at the Baggies, and say Look - we did the right thing and we don’t know what all the fuss was about! Could it be that they feared the embarrassment and backlash if he did well there and they were promoted? Why else would you waste the money, not play him and yet trick him into staying. Perhaps they’re not as convinced as you that he’s now a bad player? If they were they would surely have sold him. Mores the pity then, that the manager’s not given him a run of games, like he has with other players, so we can all find out. To deceive and act against the career interests of a player, who has shown nothing but loyalty and respect to your club for five years would be inexcusable behaviour and something I would never have expected to see at Stoke City. Indeed. It's nothing to do with idolatry. Lakeland's post above makes that clear, and there is little to add on whether he is a good or inadequate player. In the absence of an argument to justify the club's position (and I cannot see one in 12 pages of exchanges), that position looks perverse and illogical at best.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Feb 18, 2019 10:31:54 GMT
The club can't really win in this situation. They keep him - people moan he's not playing (when there are clearly reasons we don't see day in, day out). They sell him to local rivals for peanuts and there is hell up with all the Bojan fanboys the second he has one assist. (Which he probably wouldn't get because they wouldn't pick him either because he's past it).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 10:36:47 GMT
The club can't really win in this situation. They keep him - people moan he's not playing (when there are clearly reasons we don't see day in, day out). They sell him to local rivals for peanuts and there is hell up with all the Bojan fanboys the second he has one assist. (Which he probably wouldn't get because they wouldn't pick him either because he's past it). So instead they lie to him and lie to the fans which is worse than both those situations above in many people's eyes Bojan fans or none Bojan fans. Only at Stoke could they make a bad situation worse.
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Post by pez75 on Feb 18, 2019 10:40:04 GMT
All our latest managers are of the same ilk. Defence seems to be their number one priority and they don't seem to now what to do with a creative player. Then again this discussion is all about how Bojan was treated and why NJ stated he has a role for him while he obviously haven't. Every manager's number one priority should be the defence - get that wrong and you're screwed. The idolatry of Bojan is ludicrous - he's failed to establish himself under 4 manager's at Stoke and 2 others while out on loan. That's either a conspiracy to put the faked moon landings to shame or the plain and simple fact that for all his technical ability Bojan hasn't got what it takes to hold down a place in a professional football team. He doesn't like the physical side of the game, ducks out of tackles and hides after the slightest knock. The sooner he goes the better. Yet tough guy Paul Ince gets his shirt??? Oh the irony...
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 18, 2019 10:40:11 GMT
The club can't really win in this situation. They keep him - people moan he's not playing (when there are clearly reasons we don't see day in, day out). They sell him to local rivals for peanuts and there is hell up with all the Bojan fanboys the second he has one assist. (Which he probably wouldn't get because they wouldn't pick him either because he's past it). No hell up from me. Nobody should be treated with such disrespect. I doubt we will sell anyway, just a mutually agreed freebie to see him through the door.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 18, 2019 10:53:27 GMT
The club can't really win in this situation. They keep him - people moan he's not playing (when there are clearly reasons we don't see day in, day out). They sell him to local rivals for peanuts and there is hell up with all the Bojan fanboys the second he has one assist. (Which he probably wouldn't get because they wouldn't pick him either because he's past it). But we didn't have to sell him to West Brom, the only known offer was £50k pw to New England Revolution? A deal he was talked out of, according to Guillem Balague, by Nathan Jones and the club.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 18, 2019 11:00:37 GMT
Every manager's number one priority should be the defence - get that wrong and you're screwed. The idolatry of Bojan is ludicrous - he's failed to establish himself under 4 manager's at Stoke and 2 others while out on loan. That's either a conspiracy to put the faked moon landings to shame or the plain and simple fact that for all his technical ability Bojan hasn't got what it takes to hold down a place in a professional football team. He doesn't like the physical side of the game, ducks out of tackles and hides after the slightest knock. The sooner he goes the better. Yet tough guy Paul Ince gets his shirt??? Oh the irony... I agree about wince (sorry that was a typo), biggest pussy in football he doesn't fool me with his acrobatics to avoid contact but what does it tell you when bojan cant get in ahead of ince? 😁
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Post by chiswickpotter on Feb 18, 2019 11:09:19 GMT
All our latest managers are of the same ilk. Defence seems to be their number one priority and they don't seem to now what to do with a creative player. Then again this discussion is all about how Bojan was treated and why NJ stated he has a role for him while he obviously haven't. Every manager's number one priority should be the defence - get that wrong and you're screwed. The idolatry of Bojan is ludicrous - he's failed to establish himself under 4 manager's at Stoke and 2 others while out on loan. That's either a conspiracy to put the faked moon landings to shame or the plain and simple fact that for all his technical ability Bojan hasn't got what it takes to hold down a place in a professional football team. He doesn't like the physical side of the game, ducks out of tackles and hides after the slightest knock. The sooner he goes the better. lets not forget the context. We have hardly created a chance in 5 games and now seem to have reverted to 4-3-3 as under Rowett but with Vokes as the inefective central striker instead of Afobe. In midfield we have 3 identikit players, only one of whom (Etebo) has any dynamism. Despite this, we leave Bojan on the bench for nearly all of those 5 games, even bringing on Shawcross up front. If we want to score goals we need to be more creative and take some risk - in all of Jones' systems we rarely have more than three men forward. Surely giving Bojan a platform at number 10 with Allen and Etebo in a 2 is worth trying. Then we might consider who Diouf, who for all his limitations, does get chances than others don't seem to, is not even in our best 18 which for some reason includes two centre backs. All we are asking for is a bit of imagination and flexibility given no-one could seriously argue we are progressing, indeed in my view Rowett was more effective at managing this group than Jones so far.
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Post by pez75 on Feb 18, 2019 11:21:22 GMT
Every manager's number one priority should be the defence - get that wrong and you're screwed. The idolatry of Bojan is ludicrous - he's failed to establish himself under 4 manager's at Stoke and 2 others while out on loan. That's either a conspiracy to put the faked moon landings to shame or the plain and simple fact that for all his technical ability Bojan hasn't got what it takes to hold down a place in a professional football team. He doesn't like the physical side of the game, ducks out of tackles and hides after the slightest knock. The sooner he goes the better. lets not forget the context. We have hardly created a chance in 5 games and now seem to have reverted to 4-3-3 as under Rowett but with Vokes as the inefective central striker instead of Afobe. In midfield we have 3 identikit players, only one of whom (Etebo) has any dynamism. Despite this, we leave Bojan on the bench for nearly all of those 5 games, even bringing on Shawcross up front. If we want to score goals we need to be more creative and take some risk - in all of Jones' systems we rarely have more than three men forward. Surely giving Bojan a platform at number 10 with Allen and Etebo in a 2 is worth trying. Then we might consider who Diouf, who for all his limitations, does get chances than others don't seem to, is not even in our best 18 which for some reason includes two centre backs. All we are asking for is a bit of imagination and flexibility given no-one could seriously argue we are progressing, indeed in my view Rowett was more effective at managing this group than Jones so far. Exactly - when NJ arrived he told us it may be painful in the short-term, but we were going to play HIS way and it would be entertaining & attacking football. At the moment he is out-Rowetting Rowett.
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Post by stokesupporter on Feb 18, 2019 11:35:07 GMT
Defence seems to be our only priority atm. Our attacks are relying on luck, long balls to the box and waiting for that lucky bounce. Well, not surprisingly that hasn't worked well at all.
If a team is dangerous when in posession it helps the defence too.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Feb 18, 2019 11:39:45 GMT
All this talk of Nathan Jones at Luton being the highest scorers in the football league and playing a diamond with full on attacking football.
7 games into his tenure at Stoke and we can't score for shit and playing plodders up front with zero creativity.
Bojan should have been a nailed on starter given our squad and Nathan Jones preferred playing style. He even looked good in the 60 minutes he has played in this position.
Something aint right down Stoke
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Feb 18, 2019 11:43:47 GMT
All this talk of Nathan Jones at Luton being the highest scorers in the football league and playing a diamond with full on attacking football. 7 games into his tenure at Stoke and we can't score for shit and playing plodders up front with zero creativity. Bojan should have been a nailed on starter given our squad and Nathan Jones preferred playing style. He even looked good in the 60 minutes he has played in this position. Something aint right down Stoke Bizarre isn't it? and yet Ince continues to play at the top of the diamond, where he has been about as effective as Stephen Hawking.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 18, 2019 11:45:31 GMT
The club can't really win in this situation. They keep him - people moan he's not playing (when there are clearly reasons we don't see day in, day out). They sell him to local rivals for peanuts and there is hell up with all the Bojan fanboys the second he has one assist. (Which he probably wouldn't get because they wouldn't pick him either because he's past it). The club can give themselves a better chance of 'winning' quite easily. Stopping lying and treating their customers like twats would be a good start.
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