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Post by potterpaul on Feb 17, 2019 22:48:50 GMT
Its really quite simple to get answers. Someone who knows Angela Smith can ask her to ask Jones at the next Presser: Is Bojan working hard enough in training or is he not in your plans to start games? Or is there another issue, for example, financial, as to why he isn't currently playing as he seems far and away the best midfielder to play at the tip of the diamond seen as we have scored 1 in the last 4 games He has to answer one of those questions and if he doesn't, dont let him off. Ask again. SGS Can someone bump this to the top of the thread. It’s a good point, we need to get Angela to ask the question. It’s one big ass elephant that’s in the room ! Agree but its a shitenal article so they need to follow it up
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Post by misii30 on Feb 17, 2019 22:50:12 GMT
There was around 8 pages of united discussion in this thread where those who rate Bojan and even many who don't were all in agreement that this is no way to treat a player, or a human being for that matter. It was actually refreshing to see and while the subject in itself wasn't a positive one this was the first thread in ages where it didn't quickly turn to mindless bickering between posters and to tell you the truth I was almost smiling as I felt this weird sense of unity and togetherness. Hasn't happened too many times this season on this forum.
The discussion was slowly but surely starting to slow down and die out when the usual Bojan-bashing brigade decided to crawl out of the woodwork.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on a player but this isn't about Bojan's ability this time, like it wasn't when Bojan was being unfairly singled out by Rowett when he wasn't even nowhere near the team that was underachieving so badly.
The posters that make this about Bojan's injury, loans, application in training, etc. are missing the point entirely. This is about Stoke City and the way the club is conducting themselves at this moment. In light of this interview it looks really, really bad right now. Are we really denying a footballer whose career is short enough already a chance to ply his trade somewhere else when he's already wasted a number of years here and has shown that he doesn't want to go unless he's practically forced out of the door.
Football is harsh business and I could almost understand if the transfer was denied because we need him as a backup and don't want him to go to a rival team and start tearing up the league. Even though we seem to be 100% sure he can't do that anyway, otherwise he would probably be on the pitch occasionally. The part where this stops being a business matter and starts being a basic human decency matter is the way he's being led with false promises about a new beginning and Jones going as far as telling the press Bojan's "the perfect player for his system". Everyone at the club knows about the hardships he's had to endure in the last few years starting with the knee injury and more recently wasting a year of his career at Alavés because the board decided he was too expensive to be played right after signing him. Then coming back here and getting completely banished from the team to train with under 18's (fun fact; when Bojan was the same age as those lads he had already played two years for Barcelona and won the Champions League.
It's time from the club to offer some amount of transparency because the way it seems everything keeps going from bad to worse as much on the pitch as off it.
I'm sure all of this was already said by other posters in this thread but I needed to vent a bit so I don't blow up from the anger.
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Post by Jimmyg on Feb 17, 2019 23:35:29 GMT
I couldn't care about the past I'm more concerned about the present,and at present bojan is the best option imo as the number 10 in Jones's diamond.The experiment with Ince in that role doesn't seem to be working so i can't see any reason not to give bojan a fair run now.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 17, 2019 23:43:20 GMT
Its a very disturbing interview tbh and another bit of bad press for the club
Are they trying to punish him because of his popularity? It seems vindictive.
It looks like we have another manager whose ego is seemingly challenged by a player's popularity.
The worst thing is we have a player like Ince in the team who couldn't give a shit.
This manager is proving to be a massive disappointment in the way he is handling things.
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Feb 18, 2019 0:16:31 GMT
Can’t imagine him being on the bench for the upcoming games, thanks Bojan for the brief memories between 2014-16 He doesn't actually utter a single word of criticism aimed at Jones, Scholes, or Coates. And yet you want to banish him from the matchday squad! I don’t want to, the fact is he’s spoken out and I bet you he isn’t named in the team on Saturday.
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Post by Bagwash on Feb 18, 2019 1:04:44 GMT
I couldn't care about the past I'm more concerned about the present,and at present bojan is the best option imo as the number 10 in Jones's diamond.The experiment with Ince in that role doesn't seem to be working so i can't see any reason not to give bojan a fair run now. Theres a few of NJ's 'experiments' that are not working(Maclean up front,Clucas,Ince,Woods playing regularly,persisting with diamond formation when results suggest its not working)but I expect the starting 11 aginst Villa and formation to be similar to the one's at Ipswich. Replying to the OP,I am firmly in the Bojan camp and believe he should had been given a run in the team months ago.As has been stated in an earlier post he is the best No 10 we have at the club and I also think he is a better option to play up front with Vokes than a player who the manager himself suggested he should sort his own transfer out during the transfer window.
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Post by mailman44 on Feb 18, 2019 4:30:42 GMT
There must be a financial reason he's not on the pitch whilst complete arsewipes get picked every game. Likely has some bonus or increase in wage for number of games played If it really is football related then I cannot for the life of me understand his lack of chances - Jones MUST explain, and quickly else he'll lose any patience left from the fans for the appalling results of his tenure. This is not good enough Stoke, both on and off the pitch you are losing the fans. Sort it out Time for the Ole Ole Ole next home game maybe? If it doesn’t get him on the pitch, we should at least get him his move. He deserves that much for his past loyalty to the fans and club. We are absolutely dire and can’t buy a proper goal. FFS give him a proper chance Nathan, over that couldn’t care less waster Ince! I remember when Ince was all the rage a few transfer windows ago ....
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 18, 2019 5:34:16 GMT
There was around 8 pages of united discussion in this thread where those who rate Bojan and even many who don't were all in agreement that this is no way to treat a player, or a human being for that matter. It was actually refreshing to see and while the subject in itself wasn't a positive one this was the first thread in ages where it didn't quickly turn to mindless bickering between posters and to tell you the truth I was almost smiling as I felt this weird sense of unity and togetherness. Hasn't happened too many times this season on this forum. The discussion was slowly but surely starting to slow down and die out when the usual Bojan-bashing brigade decided to crawl out of the woodwork. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on a player but this isn't about Bojan's ability this time, like it wasn't when Bojan was being unfairly singled out by Rowett when he wasn't even nowhere near the team that was underachieving so badly. The posters that make this about Bojan's injury, loans, application in training, etc. are missing the point entirely. This is about Stoke City and the way the club is conducting themselves at this moment. In light of this interview it looks really, really bad right now. Are we really denying a footballer whose career is short enough already a chance to ply his trade somewhere else when he's already wasted a number of years here and has shown that he doesn't want to go unless he's practically forced out of the door. Football is harsh business and I could almost understand if the transfer was denied because we need him as a backup and don't want him to go to a rival team and start tearing up the league. Even though we seem to be 100% sure he can't do that anyway, otherwise he would probably be on the pitch occasionally. The part where this stops being a business matter and starts being a basic human decency matter is the way he's being led with false promises about a new beginning and Jones going as far as telling the press Bojan's "the perfect player for his system". Everyone at the club knows about the hardships he's had to endure in the last few years starting with the knee injury and more recently wasting a year of his career at Alavés because the board decided he was too expensive to be played right after signing him. Then coming back here and getting completely banished from the team to train with under 18's (fun fact; when Bojan was the same age as those lads he had already played two years for Barcelona and won the Champions League. It's time from the club to offer some amount of transparency because the way it seems everything keeps going from bad to worse as much on the pitch as off it. I'm sure all of this was already said by other posters in this thread but I needed to vent a bit so I don't blow up from the anger. I didn't decide 'to crawl out of the woodwork' I've had a busy weekend. As much as some of you don't appreciate what you call the "Bojan bashing brigade" likewise some people don't appreciate the "Bojan is my little blue eyed boy" brigade. If he was that good he would be playing, it's that simple, 4 managers do Not have an agenda. Sooner he's fucked off the better, no one player deserves preferential treatment. It's a squad game. He turned up the heat on Rowett & now yet another manager isn't busting a gut to roll out the red carpet to play him, even when he supposedly suits the style of play. Strange, don't you think? What I do think is if he's so unhappy he has to go blarting to the media ask him to mutually terminate his contract instead of us paying his contract up. I'd rather resign Stephen Ireland until the end of the season to replace him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 5:44:11 GMT
I'm more worried about next season, what kind of players are we going to attract?. I'm guessing a lot of journey men , who are going to replace butland, Allen etc. The way its going we could end up going back to how we were in the 80s😩 You're right. The chances that we might attract even a thirdrate Shaq or Arnie, or a fifthrate Boj are probably zero, when word gets spread around how he's been treated. If you're not playing for even shorter than the 100 that he's been left out, and you're still not allowed to leave, that's a language that will attract no one here. Even a fifthrate Walters or Whelan won't be going here, because their careers will stagnate or be nullified. Even journeymen will think twice about joining a club with such a toxic environment, although a few extra bob will get the jon done.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 5:46:57 GMT
This reference to previous managers failing to pick Bojan always makes me smile. Not a one of them is successful. One is managing the team rooted at the bottom of the Championship, the other 4 are currently out of work The only manager who consistently picked him was Pep He was constantly picked for us... however then lost all form and never done anything since. Liar!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 5:49:46 GMT
edit...didn't mean to like my own post You can unlike it. Just click the thumbs up again, and it's gone
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 5:52:25 GMT
All of whom were abject failures in their jobs, and you're right, Jones seems a lot like them. You not think it’s slightly strange how all of them keep overlooking him? For fans we’re all scratching our heads as to why he can’t get a game but managers take a look then leave him out. Like I say something surely has to be going on behind the scenes to which we aren’t being told. I think it's sheer incompetence. And fear that they will be shown to not be able to manage a talent that is vastly bigger than anything they've handled before.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 5:56:38 GMT
Hughes bought Imbula and Allen Bojan had fell off the boil by the time they came in. And again if he was in great form he would of kept his place Give an example of where "Bojan had fell off the boil" or shut the fuck up with your lies and insipid insinuations!
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 18, 2019 5:59:22 GMT
You not think it’s slightly strange how all of them keep overlooking him? For fans we’re all scratching our heads as to why he can’t get a game but managers take a look then leave him out. Like I say something surely has to be going on behind the scenes to which we aren’t being told. I think it's sheer incompetence. And fear that they will be shown to not be able to manage a talent that is vastly bigger than anything they've handled before. That's completely unfounded and based on nothing. I'd go as far as to say you have your head so far up bojan' s backside its affecting your rational thought. All these managers do Not have an agenda against the player, not in a million years, neither are they all incompetent enough to be blind to a stand out player in a squad of footballers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 6:13:02 GMT
I think it's sheer incompetence. And fear that they will be shown to not be able to manage a talent that is vastly bigger than anything they've handled before. That's completely unfounded and based on nothing. I'd go as far as to say you have your head so far up bojan' s backside its affecting your rational thought. All these managers do Not have an agenda against the player, not in a million years, neither are they all incompetent enough to be blind to a stand out player in a squad of footballers. So these managers have not been failures and they are not unemployed?
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 18, 2019 6:26:05 GMT
There was around 8 pages of united discussion in this thread where those who rate Bojan and even many who don't were all in agreement that this is no way to treat a player, or a human being for that matter. It was actually refreshing to see and while the subject in itself wasn't a positive one this was the first thread in ages where it didn't quickly turn to mindless bickering between posters and to tell you the truth I was almost smiling as I felt this weird sense of unity and togetherness. Hasn't happened too many times this season on this forum. The discussion was slowly but surely starting to slow down and die out when the usual Bojan-bashing brigade decided to crawl out of the woodwork. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on a player but this isn't about Bojan's ability this time, like it wasn't when Bojan was being unfairly singled out by Rowett when he wasn't even nowhere near the team that was underachieving so badly. The posters that make this about Bojan's injury, loans, application in training, etc. are missing the point entirely. This is about Stoke City and the way the club is conducting themselves at this moment. In light of this interview it looks really, really bad right now. Are we really denying a footballer whose career is short enough already a chance to ply his trade somewhere else when he's already wasted a number of years here and has shown that he doesn't want to go unless he's practically forced out of the door. Football is harsh business and I could almost understand if the transfer was denied because we need him as a backup and don't want him to go to a rival team and start tearing up the league. Even though we seem to be 100% sure he can't do that anyway, otherwise he would probably be on the pitch occasionally. The part where this stops being a business matter and starts being a basic human decency matter is the way he's being led with false promises about a new beginning and Jones going as far as telling the press Bojan's "the perfect player for his system". Everyone at the club knows about the hardships he's had to endure in the last few years starting with the knee injury and more recently wasting a year of his career at Alavés because the board decided he was too expensive to be played right after signing him. Then coming back here and getting completely banished from the team to train with under 18's (fun fact; when Bojan was the same age as those lads he had already played two years for Barcelona and won the Champions League. It's time from the club to offer some amount of transparency because the way it seems everything keeps going from bad to worse as much on the pitch as off it. I'm sure all of this was already said by other posters in this thread but I needed to vent a bit so I don't blow up from the anger. I didn't decide 'to crawl out of the woodwork' I've had a busy weekend. As much as some of you don't appreciate what you call the "Bojan bashing brigade" likewise some people don't appreciate the "Bojan is my little blue eyed boy" brigade. If he was that good he would be playing, it's that simple, 4 managers do Not have an agenda. Sooner he's fucked off the better, no one player deserves preferential treatment. It's a squad game. He turned up the heat on Rowett & now yet another manager isn't busting a gut to roll out the red carpet to play him, even when he supposedly suits the style if play. Strange, don't you think? Agree but for a completely different reason He should fuck off because it's best for him. We would be no better off at all, probably worse off with the fact we wouldnt have a bonafide no.10 in our squad and we can kiss good bye to the diamond and the chances of Jones succeeding in turning this clubs future around in the short term
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 18, 2019 6:32:03 GMT
That's completely unfounded and based on nothing. I'd go as far as to say you have your head so far up bojan' s backside its affecting your rational thought. All these managers do Not have an agenda against the player, not in a million years, neither are they all incompetent enough to be blind to a stand out player in a squad of footballers. So these managers have not been failures and they are not unemployed? The reason we employ managers is to make those decisions. Not all if any have failed because bojan didn't play.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 18, 2019 6:33:42 GMT
I didn't decide 'to crawl out of the woodwork' I've had a busy weekend. As much as some of you don't appreciate what you call the "Bojan bashing brigade" likewise some people don't appreciate the "Bojan is my little blue eyed boy" brigade. If he was that good he would be playing, it's that simple, 4 managers do Not have an agenda. Sooner he's fucked off the better, no one player deserves preferential treatment. It's a squad game. He turned up the heat on Rowett & now yet another manager isn't busting a gut to roll out the red carpet to play him, even when he supposedly suits the style if play. Strange, don't you think? Agree but for a completely different reason He should fuck off because it's best for him. We would be no better off at all, probably worse off with the fact we wouldnt have a bonafide no.10 in our squad and we can kiss good bye to the diamond and the chances of Jones succeeding in turning this clubs future around in the short term Get Stephen Ireland back in until the end of the season, just been released by Bolton but fits this preferred diamond system
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 18, 2019 6:36:24 GMT
Agree but for a completely different reason He should fuck off because it's best for him. We would be no better off at all, probably worse off with the fact we wouldnt have a bonafide no.10 in our squad and we can kiss good bye to the diamond and the chances of Jones succeeding in turning this clubs future around in the short term Get Stephen Ireland back in until the end of the season, just been released by Bolton but fits this preferred diamond system Ha ha. Fucking idiot
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 18, 2019 6:38:04 GMT
Get Stephen Ireland back in until the end of the season, just been released by Bolton but fits this preferred diamond system Ha ha. Fucking idiot Let's have it right, he's done as much as bojan in the past 3 years and the last time he played under Mark Hughes he actually made a difference even after an injury lay off
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 18, 2019 6:55:45 GMT
Let's have it right, he's done as much as bojan in the past 3 years and the last time he played under Mark Hughes he actually made a difference even after an injury lay off So you keep dribbling the old 4 managers routine but willing to ignore countless medical reports? I see.....goodbye hope you get well soon
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 18, 2019 6:58:17 GMT
Let's have it right, he's done as much as bojan in the past 3 years and the last time he played under Mark Hughes he actually made a difference even after an injury lay off So you keep dribbling the old 4 managers routine but willing to ignore countless medical reports? I see.....goodbye hope you get well soon I didn't say a 5 year contract I said until the end of the season. Even with a leg break he's done as much as bojan in the last 3 years
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 7:10:17 GMT
Bojan had fell off the boil by the time they came in. And again if he was in great form he would of kept his place Give an example of where "Bojan had fell off the boil" or shut the fuck up with your lies and insipid insinuations! Calm down snowflake. You will have a new boyhood hero to cheer one day. Go put paw patrol on. Bless
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Post by elystokie on Feb 18, 2019 7:38:04 GMT
Give an example of where "Bojan had fell off the boil" or shut the fuck up with your lies and insipid insinuations! Calm down snowflake. You will have a new boyhood hero to cheer one day. Go put paw patrol on. Bless I'm sure it was you who said earlier in the thread how sick to death they were of reading about Bojan. Had to laugh, you've written half of it!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 7:42:51 GMT
Calm down snowflake. You will have a new boyhood hero to cheer one day. Go put paw patrol on. Bless I'm sure it was you who said earlier in the thread how sick to death they were of reading about Bojan. Had to laugh, you've written half of it! Hard not when you get copied into your own opinion by snowflakes
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Post by elystokie on Feb 18, 2019 7:44:46 GMT
I'm sure it was you who said earlier in the thread how sick to death they were of reading about Bojan. Had to laugh, you've written half of it! Hard not when you get copied into your own opinion by snowflakes Eh? It's quite easy to avoid. There's usually a fucking big clue in the thread title!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 7:48:15 GMT
Hard not when you get copied into your own opinion by snowflakes Eh? It's quite easy to avoid. There's usually a fucking big clue in the thread title! Isn’t a message board for putting your own opinion out there? Not my fault I’ve touched the nerve of fan boys with there painted faces shouting ole ole ole Bojan. Just because I’ve said managers see more of him than us. Personally as I’ve stated before. I couldn’t care less if he starts or not as long as we play well and win. However it really is fun seeing people cry and lose it because there hero of 3 years ago isn’t playing
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 18, 2019 7:48:26 GMT
Why has this descended into another back and forth?
The issue is the club has barefaced lied to one of its playing staff, thus denying said player the opportunity to continue his career elsewhere, under the false pretence that he is very much still a part of the picture here.
This is no way to treat any player, fan favourite or not, this isn’t a question of ability, it’s a question as to why have we seemingly flushed the only decent quality we had left, our ethics, straight down the shitpan.
We deserve answers as to what the fuck is going on at our club.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 18, 2019 7:51:30 GMT
Eh? It's quite easy to avoid. There's usually a fucking big clue in the thread title! Isn’t a message board for putting your own opinion out there? Not my fault I’ve touched the nerve of fan boys with there painted faces shouting ole ole ole Bojan. Just because I’ve said managers see more of him than us. Personally as I’ve stated before. I couldn’t care less if he starts or not as long as we play well and win. However it really is fun seeing people cry and lose it because there hero of 3 years ago isn’t playing So you're not 'sick to death of reading about it' then? Make your mind up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 7:53:31 GMT
Isn’t a message board for putting your own opinion out there? Not my fault I’ve touched the nerve of fan boys with there painted faces shouting ole ole ole Bojan. Just because I’ve said managers see more of him than us. Personally as I’ve stated before. I couldn’t care less if he starts or not as long as we play well and win. However it really is fun seeing people cry and lose it because there hero of 3 years ago isn’t playing So you're not 'sick to death of reading about it' then? Make your mind up. I’m sick to death of it like I am sick to death of fan boys constantly quoting my thoughts of why he isn’t playing. Hopefully he starts Saturday and scores 3. But i hope tears don’t spoil some of his fancy clubs face paint
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