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Post by emery1985 on Feb 15, 2019 7:14:33 GMT
Sounds great, time will tell if he is as good as his word. Is it a good idea to put this kind of stuff into the public domain just yet though? It’s hardly motivational for the current crop between now and the end if the season is it? Not as if they could get much worse tho is it? 😂
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 15, 2019 7:29:13 GMT
He shouldn't. That is my point. If the comment is aimed at transfers, is it a sign that hes been presented with playing options he has no interest in? We are in agreement here. If he’s been presented with them and turned them down, doesn’t that again speak to it being the manager who has the final say over transfers? It does but when you consider the shit we've got playing for us how bad must those other options have been. Jones strikes me as being very clear about who and want he wants. If those above arent on same page is that not a concern. Equally should the fact that who and what he wants is seemingly Sam vokes, maybe we should be even more worried that he is in charge. Who knows. As I said in the opening line of the initial post in our situation there is a danger we read too much into everything. What is abundantly clear is that the club is a complete mess from top to bottom.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 7:34:27 GMT
A lot of assumptions being made here.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 15, 2019 7:37:07 GMT
A lot of assumptions being made here. On the basis that nobody knows anything about the inner sanctum of the club isn't everything posted on here, unless specifically related to a match, based on a whole host of assumptions? Even your very good point reference leon Clarke yesterday is based on the assumption that his very subdued performance v his one v sheaf utd was based on our centre halves handling him much better? What if it was that Wigan just arent as good as sheff utd? Or his partnership with his colleagues is not as good as his one with Billy sharp or mcgoldrick? What if he was carrying a knock so wasnt 100%. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by questionable on Feb 15, 2019 7:40:53 GMT
Convenient story as Early Bird ST’s are due, don’t you just love Scholes killer business plans.
Loathe doesn’t go anywhere near how much I hate him
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 7:42:25 GMT
I’ve said this on another thread, I could be hugely wrong here;
I’d be very surprised if Vokes and Batth were Jones targets. I say this because of where he came from. Why would he have had either of them watched to the point where he’d have thought, yes, they are the calibre on and off the pitch I want. He came from Luton, which by all accounts, would never have had the pull to lure either of them, even if Luton went up. They wouldn’t have afforded their wages let alone the transfer fee.
Now, if he’d signed Championship players or lower league players for his first signings, then I’d agree, they’d be his targets, as those are the players him and his scouting team would have a far more in-depth knowledge about, because he’d be looking at them for Luton.
I’m not saying he wouldn’t have known of Vokes and Batth, just nowhere to the extent he should know them before signing them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 7:45:21 GMT
It's a dumbsmart statement. He's not going to be able to move on players who are on lenghty contracts with huge pay packets if those players refuse to move, and this means there will be less money to buy players and to motivate those that do come with lesser wages. Therefore he needs to sweeten the large amount of deadwood that is still going to be around and will be a disruptive force in the dressing room if he doesn't play them. You either pay them up, or alternatively pay them to stay away, much like Lambert did with Afellay. There’s no easy way out financially, but you can stop their disruption by excluding them. Some will sit it out, others, like Wimmer, I think will settle up because they want away. A good idea in theory, but how are you going to pay, at a conservative estimate, 10 players who are on high wages, long contracts, and are unsellable? You might have to fork out £100M or more, probably a lot more, to fully pay up their contracts. Then when, in theory, those players are gone, you will condemn Nathan Jones, or any other manager, to only bring in players who cost nothing and will play for peanuts, because even the Coates trunk will have been emptied in that process. As for excluding as much as 25-40% of the squad from training with the team and the manager. That might work for a day or two, maybe even a week, but when longer the PFA are sure to come knocking on our doors, and it may turn out to be even more expensive with excessive fines.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 7:46:44 GMT
A lot of assumptions being made here. On the basis that nobody knows anything about the inner sanctum of the club isn't everything posted on here, unless specifically related to a match, based on a whole host of assumptions? Even your very good point reference leon Clarke yesterday is based on the assumption that his very subdued performance v his one v sheaf utd was based on our centre halves handling him much better? What if it was that Wigan just arent as good as sheff utd? Or his partnership with his colleagues is not as good as his one with Billy sharp or mcgoldrick? What if he was carrying a knock so wasnt 100%. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) Absolutely Dave. What if the conversation with the board was as high level as "Do you want to bring in more players Nathan or do you want to work with what you have until the summer?" People are assuming that Tony and Carto have been jumping desks Rambo style clutching contracts for players ready to be brought in with the manager being waterboarded until he says yes. In reality it's just a load of pre season ticket sales bullshit.
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Post by cousindupree on Feb 15, 2019 8:03:00 GMT
Commandment No 5 ...'thou shalt not kill'...tut tut Reverend Jones. A major clear out and recruitment in the summer...great, spearheaded by the Pizza boys....not so great. Let's be honest our recent recruitment has a 1 in 5 success rate. His 'revolution' could go one of two ways.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Feb 15, 2019 8:20:21 GMT
Why? He’s laying a challenge to the players, buy into what I want to achieve or I’ll move you on. The ball is in their court..... It's a dumbsmart statement. He's not going to be able to move on players who are on lenghty contracts with huge pay packets if those players refuse to move, and this means there will be less money to buy players and to motivate those that do come with lesser wages. Therefore he needs to sweeten the large amount of deadwood that is still going to be around and will be a disruptive force in the dressing room if he doesn't play them. It is not a dumb statement. Players that are going to be thumbed and, they know who they are, are only too aware that they could be in for a torrid time. Ok, some will be perfectly content to sit on their fat arses and pay packets but some will not enjoy enduring a torrid time in the squad. Omission from the match day squad, or never really getting on to the pitch, will sing out to all and sundry that these lazy or inept fuckers will be gone. The one thing the parasites need is uncomfortable pressure. The Fockers need to be publicly declared out of the circle of trust. The club need to be cleansed publicly. The wasters need to be in the spotlight and royally fucked off!
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Post by neddy on Feb 15, 2019 8:29:02 GMT
Everton created a bomb squad and we took two of them??
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Post by neddy on Feb 15, 2019 8:33:38 GMT
I’m beginning to despair of name type players....every week I look at the team sheets and think ok we should win this.....cue defeat!
Even Vokes.......has he really done anything yet? Have you seen just a moment when you’ve thought wow he’s going to be good? I know he’s only had a couple of games or so and yes you can blame the midfield but honestly has anyone seen anything to vindicate the price at his age?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 15, 2019 8:34:16 GMT
On the basis that nobody knows anything about the inner sanctum of the club isn't everything posted on here, unless specifically related to a match, based on a whole host of assumptions? Even your very good point reference leon Clarke yesterday is based on the assumption that his very subdued performance v his one v sheaf utd was based on our centre halves handling him much better? What if it was that Wigan just arent as good as sheff utd? Or his partnership with his colleagues is not as good as his one with Billy sharp or mcgoldrick? What if he was carrying a knock so wasnt 100%. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) Absolutely Dave. What if the conversation with the board was as high level as "Do you want to bring in more players Nathan or do you want to work with what you have until the summer?" People are assuming that Tony and Carto have been jumping desks Rambo style clutching contracts for players ready to be brought in with the manager being waterboarded until he says yes. In reality it's just a load of pre season ticket sales bullshit. Indeed. I did prefix my opening comment with "there is a danger we read too much into everything at moment..." ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) Toxic is involved now though so my working day will go a whole lot quicker ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by cokecystfit on Feb 15, 2019 8:45:30 GMT
*Rejuvenathan mode activated*
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 8:52:17 GMT
I’m beginning to despair of name type players....every week I look at the team sheets and think ok we should win this.....cue defeat! Even Vokes.......has he really done anything yet? Have you seen just a moment when you’ve thought wow he’s going to be good? I know he’s only had a couple of games or so and yes you can blame the midfield but honestly has anyone seen anything to vindicate the price at his age? He’s won nearly every header. He’s supposed to be a target man and he’s doing just that. Not his fault that the others haven’t had the nouse to get near him to pick up those headers but I imagine that will come in time when they have played more together.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 8:54:52 GMT
I’ve said this on another thread, I could be hugely wrong here; I’d be very surprised if Vokes and Batth were Jones targets. I say this because of where he came from. Why would he have had either of them watched to the point where he’d have thought, yes, they are the calibre on and off the pitch I want. He came from Luton, which by all accounts, would never have had the pull to lure either of them, even if Luton went up. They wouldn’t have afforded their wages let alone the transfer fee. Now, if he’d signed Championship players or lower league players for his first signings, then I’d agree, they’d be his targets, as those are the players him and his scouting team would have a far more in-depth knowledge about, because he’d be looking at them for Luton. I’m not saying he wouldn’t have known of Vokes and Batth, just nowhere to the extent he should know them before signing them. I do agree but he said he wanted a leader and a target man. He’s got a leader and a target man. He did of course also said he wanted young athletic players...hopefully he’ll get those in the summer but it kind of makes sense that he went for experience in that window. January window isn’t the easiest one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 8:56:19 GMT
It's a dumbsmart statement. He's not going to be able to move on players who are on lenghty contracts with huge pay packets if those players refuse to move, and this means there will be less money to buy players and to motivate those that do come with lesser wages. Therefore he needs to sweeten the large amount of deadwood that is still going to be around and will be a disruptive force in the dressing room if he doesn't play them. It is not a dumb statement. Players that are going to be thumbed and, they know who they are, are only too aware that they could be in for a torrid time. Ok, some will be perfectly content to sit on their fat arses and pay packets but some will not enjoy enduring a torrid time in the squad. Omission from the match day squad, or never really getting on to the pitch, will sing out to all and sundry that these lazy or inept fuckers will be gone. The one thing the parasites need is uncomfortable pressure. The Fockers need to be publicly declared out of the circle of trust. The club need to be cleansed publicly. The wasters need to be in the spotlight and royally fucked off! I didn't say it was a dumb statement. I might say your statement is pretty dumb. Your suggestions really belong in a different timescape. You might isolate and then pay off a player like Afellay whose career is probably over, but if you use such methods not to mention language on as many as ten or more players then the PFA will eventually come calling, and if it goes to the courts, we could end up paying further fines. Moreover those methods would not at all go down well with Peter Coates.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Feb 15, 2019 8:57:13 GMT
Roll up, roll up - get your season tickets here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 9:09:09 GMT
Absolutely Dave. What if the conversation with the board was as high level as "Do you want to bring in more players Nathan or do you want to work with what you have until the summer?" People are assuming that Tony and Carto have been jumping desks Rambo style clutching contracts for players ready to be brought in with the manager being waterboarded until he says yes. In reality it's just a load of pre season ticket sales bullshit. Indeed. I did prefix my opening comment with "there is a danger we read too much into everything at moment..." ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) Toxic is involved now though so my working day will go a whole lot quicker ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) ![(lol)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/lvpvZ64EmrkLcuVniUmo.gif)
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Post by neddy on Feb 15, 2019 9:11:28 GMT
I’m beginning to despair of name type players....every week I look at the team sheets and think ok we should win this.....cue defeat! Even Vokes.......has he really done anything yet? Have you seen just a moment when you’ve thought wow he’s going to be good? I know he’s only had a couple of games or so and yes you can blame the midfield but honestly has anyone seen anything to vindicate the price at his age? He’s won nearly every header. He’s supposed to be a target man and he’s doing just that. Not his fault that the others haven’t had the nouse to get near him to pick up those headers but I imagine that will come in time when they have played more together. I respect your opinion but winning some headers doesn’t prove anything yet for me.....jury still out for me. Hope he comes good and it will take time as he hasn’t played much this season has he?
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Post by stokie1947 on Feb 15, 2019 9:17:17 GMT
he can like a lot of people talk the talk BUT can he walk the walk time will tell
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 9:17:46 GMT
He’s won nearly every header. He’s supposed to be a target man and he’s doing just that. Not his fault that the others haven’t had the nouse to get near him to pick up those headers but I imagine that will come in time when they have played more together. I respect your opinion but winning some headers doesn’t prove anything yet for me.....jury still out for me. Hope he comes good and it will take time as he hasn’t played much this season has he? No he hasn't had a lot of game time. He said he's still working up his fitness. I just feel that the others haven't quite grasped yet they need to be near him when he's heading the ball. They are nowhere near and so from a good position we end up losing the ball again. I feel its making him look like he's not doing much but he's without someone playing off him which is needed so his efforts are going to waste.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 15, 2019 9:19:43 GMT
This is good news, hopefully the Coates will stick with their man this time
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Post by neddy on Feb 15, 2019 9:23:50 GMT
I respect your opinion but winning some headers doesn’t prove anything yet for me.....jury still out for me. Hope he comes good and it will take time as he hasn’t played much this season has he? No he hasn't had a lot of game time. He said he's still working up his fitness. I just feel that the others haven't quite grasped yet they need to be near him when he's heading the ball. They are nowhere near and so from a good position we end up losing the ball again. I feel its making him look like he's not doing much but he's without someone playing off him which is needed so his efforts are going to waste. We’ll see...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 9:27:18 GMT
I’ve said this on another thread, I could be hugely wrong here; I’d be very surprised if Vokes and Batth were Jones targets. I say this because of where he came from. Why would he have had either of them watched to the point where he’d have thought, yes, they are the calibre on and off the pitch I want. He came from Luton, which by all accounts, would never have had the pull to lure either of them, even if Luton went up. They wouldn’t have afforded their wages let alone the transfer fee. Now, if he’d signed Championship players or lower league players for his first signings, then I’d agree, they’d be his targets, as those are the players him and his scouting team would have a far more in-depth knowledge about, because he’d be looking at them for Luton. I’m not saying he wouldn’t have known of Vokes and Batth, just nowhere to the extent he should know them before signing them. I do agree but he said he wanted a leader and a target man. He’s got a leader and a target man. He did of course also said he wanted young athletic players...hopefully he’ll get those in the summer but it kind of makes sense that he went for experience in that window. January window isn’t the easiest one. I totally agree with that pal, about the leader and target man. But it’s weird how where I’d imagine his knowledge lies, lower league etc that he’d sign two premier league players who I’d doubt he’s know about their giving their blood for the cause character
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Post by heyzeus on Feb 15, 2019 9:30:59 GMT
There's been a communication breakdown!! ![(lol)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/lvpvZ64EmrkLcuVniUmo.gif) Stairway to heaven ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by mrred on Feb 15, 2019 10:07:03 GMT
Cynicism about season ticket sales aside, it's hard taken anything away from that other than- " I want a big fucking axe through the majority of this squad as they won't cut the fucking mustard". They've already let him down time and time again, he won't stand for that shit, which is why fans need to get behind him.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 15, 2019 10:23:01 GMT
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Post by Onneravineet on Feb 15, 2019 10:53:11 GMT
Mr Jones, you are the right man for the job. As supporters we would kill for Stoke, metaphorically speaking of course, and therefore the real supporters of SCFC will be behind you 100%.
Conner wait foreet
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Post by stokienorthants on Feb 15, 2019 11:02:19 GMT
He certainly talks a good game but for me the jury is still out. His current record is atrocious and worse than under Rowett. I agree that he must be given time but FFS let’s see some passion on the pitch, the occasional goal would also be good. Sounds more like a politician. You’re a manager start managing.
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