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Post by s8to on Feb 14, 2019 23:35:42 GMT
... and... very soon the season tickets go on sale... selling futures, sorry chaps!! Show me the beef, like has been said changes need to be made higher up.. carto out, Scholes out... as Led Zep said.. the song remains the same! There's been a communication breakdown!! ![(lol)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/lvpvZ64EmrkLcuVniUmo.gif)
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 14, 2019 23:39:06 GMT
Really cannot believe at this juncture we have people concerned about these comments damaging the players’ sensibilities. They could literally not display any less fight, emotion or devotion to this club then they are at the moment, not to mention skill of tactical coherence. This is a good statement from Jones, buck up and buy in or he’ll send you packing. The true evaluation of Jones starts when he gets his own squad in place.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 14, 2019 23:40:17 GMT
This is just bullshit to try to boost Season Ticket sales which are going to be at all time low.
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Post by geoff321 on Feb 14, 2019 23:44:30 GMT
Really cannot believe at this juncture we have people concerned about these comments damaging the players’ sensibilities. They could literally not display any less fight, emotion or devotion to this club then they are at the moment, not to mention skill of tactical coherence. This is a good statement from Jones, buck up and buy in or he’ll send you packing. The true evaluation of Jones starts when he gets his own squad in place. I don't agree, the evaluation of a manager in any business starts the moment he is recruited, that is when he has to take responsibility for results.
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Post by rawli on Feb 14, 2019 23:49:20 GMT
Lee Hughes signing?
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Post by Linx on Feb 15, 2019 0:02:27 GMT
Right now I’d just settle for a couple of goals. That would change the environment.
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Post by mattythestokie on Feb 15, 2019 0:13:32 GMT
There is a danger that you analyse everything in our situation but "turning down things offered to him because money isn't always the answer" is a tad worrying. Why should the manager have to sign player he doesn’t want? Transfers like Imbula and other waste of spaces wouldn’t be here now if we followed that approach. Just let the manager signs who he wants in his squad.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 1:01:22 GMT
I think the club is expecting a hit it season ticket sales regardless.
But he's calling it out. And I reckon most of those he doesn't want probably already know - and they've been told to start playing proper football if you want another club to be interested.....
I'm all for this. It's streets ahead of the 'what's all the fuss about' and 'I don't do relegation' etc etc
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 15, 2019 1:06:16 GMT
Why? He’s laying a challenge to the players, buy into what I want to achieve or I’ll move you on. The ball is in their court..... Ego driven shits though aren’t they? In the real world yes, I’m modern football, with talk of mass clear outs, could they down tools? How many of the team that started on Weds would you consider to be 'ego driven shits'? I very much doubt Butland, Edwards, Batth, BMI, Woods, Allen, Etebo, Vokes are. I'm not buying that these players haven't got the character to beat Wigan.
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Post by starkiller on Feb 15, 2019 1:12:07 GMT
The most positive message the club could put out is the removal of Scholes and Cartwright, or at least Cartwright.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 15, 2019 1:42:00 GMT
Really cannot believe at this juncture we have people concerned about these comments damaging the players’ sensibilities. They could literally not display any less fight, emotion or devotion to this club then they are at the moment, not to mention skill of tactical coherence. This is a good statement from Jones, buck up and buy in or he’ll send you packing. The true evaluation of Jones starts when he gets his own squad in place. I don't agree, the evaluation of a manager in any business starts the moment he is recruited, that is when he has to take responsibility for results. True, but if you change the captain of a sinking ship, without giving him anything different from what the previous captain had, chances are it will carry on sinking. This is the problem with appointing in January. Of course we can make judgements, but it would be unfair to make a full evaluation when we’ve barely scratched the surface of his tenure.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 15, 2019 1:57:31 GMT
Ego driven shits though aren’t they? In the real world yes, I’m modern football, with talk of mass clear outs, could they down tools? How many of the team that started on Weds would you consider to be 'ego driven shits'? I very much doubt Butland, Edwards, Batth, BMI, Woods, Allen, Etebo, Vokes are. I'm not buying that these players haven't got the character to beat Wigan. So why do you think we didn’t beat Wigan?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 2:08:36 GMT
Sounds great, time will tell if he is as good as his word. Is it a good idea to put this kind of stuff into the public domain just yet though? It’s hardly motivational for the current crop between now and the end if the season is it? Why? He’s laying a challenge to the players, buy into what I want to achieve or I’ll move you on. The ball is in their court..... It's a dumbsmart statement. He's not going to be able to move on players who are on lenghty contracts with huge pay packets if those players refuse to move, and this means there will be less money to buy players and to motivate those that do come with lesser wages. Therefore he needs to sweeten the large amount of deadwood that is still going to be around and will be a disruptive force in the dressing room if he doesn't play them.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 15, 2019 2:26:53 GMT
This is just bullshit to try to boost Season Ticket sales which are going to be at all time low. Probably nearer the truth than most things on this thread. They ain’t stupid - give the punters what they want to hear - and keep it simple. The practicalities are very different.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Feb 15, 2019 2:45:07 GMT
Words are good but is it deliverable? We have a lot of expensive dead wood on big wages who are going to be difficult to shift because no one else is likely to offer them the same money as they're on here. And without shifting a significant number of players on, he won't be able to sign enough new players to make the difference he wants to make.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 15, 2019 2:49:09 GMT
How many of the team that started on Weds would you consider to be 'ego driven shits'? I very much doubt Butland, Edwards, Batth, BMI, Woods, Allen, Etebo, Vokes are. I'm not buying that these players haven't got the character to beat Wigan. So why do you think we didn’t beat Wigan? Wrong tactics / formation
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 4:07:39 GMT
Just read the Sentinel article. Jones states, he wants hungry players. Looks like Wimmer will be starting next season for us then chaps.
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Post by RF10 on Feb 15, 2019 4:31:06 GMT
... and... very soon the season tickets go on sale... selling futures, sorry chaps!! Show me the beef, like has been said changes need to be made higher up.. carto out, Scholes out... as Led Zep said.. the song remains the same! There's been a communication breakdown!! I think everyone needs to show Jones a Whole Lotta Love.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 15, 2019 5:46:18 GMT
There is a danger that you analyse everything in our situation but "turning down things offered to him because money isn't always the answer" is a tad worrying. Why should the manager have to sign player he doesn’t want? Transfers like Imbula and other waste of spaces wouldn’t be here now if we followed that approach. Just let the manager signs who he wants in his squad. He shouldn't. That is my point. If the comment is aimed at transfers, is it a sign that hes been presented with playing options he has no interest in? We are in agreement here.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 15, 2019 6:12:26 GMT
I just hope he gets the opportunity to sign his players and not the ones offered to him by Scholes and Cartwright. Sounds very promising. I'm sure he'll give it his all I'm just not convinced by Cartwright and Scholes. Why wouldn’t he? Rowett did?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 15, 2019 6:13:58 GMT
There is a danger that you analyse everything in our situation but "turning down things offered to him because money isn't always the answer" is a tad worrying. Why should the manager have to sign player he doesn’t want? Transfers like Imbula and other waste of spaces wouldn’t be here now if we followed that approach. Just let the manager signs who he wants in his squad. Hughes wanted Imbula.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 15, 2019 6:15:51 GMT
Why should the manager have to sign player he doesn’t want? Transfers like Imbula and other waste of spaces wouldn’t be here now if we followed that approach. Just let the manager signs who he wants in his squad. He shouldn't. That is my point. If the comment is aimed at transfers, is it a sign that hes been presented with playing options he has no interest in? We are in agreement here. If he’s been presented with them and turned them down, doesn’t that again speak to it being the manager who has the final say over transfers?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 6:23:05 GMT
I just hope he gets the opportunity to sign his players and not the ones offered to him by Scholes and Cartwright. Sounds very promising. I'm sure he'll give it his all I'm just not convinced by Cartwright and Scholes. Why wouldn’t he? Rowett did? But even he didn't get his first choices and so instead turned to second rate players, including some that he knew from before. But they haven't turned out to be good choices for us, for a number of reasons.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 15, 2019 6:31:13 GMT
Why wouldn’t he? Rowett did? But even he didn't get his first choices and so instead turned to second rate players, including some that he knew from before. But they haven't turned out to be good choices for us, for a number of reasons. No manager gets all of his first choices though? Guardiola didn’t. Mourinho didn’t. Some of the biggest flops have been his absolute cast-iron top targets.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 15, 2019 6:54:21 GMT
Why should the manager have to sign player he doesn’t want? Transfers like Imbula and other waste of spaces wouldn’t be here now if we followed that approach. Just let the manager signs who he wants in his squad. Hughes wanted Imbula. Let's not bring this up yet again. The manager has always had the final say on transfers.
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Post by lordb on Feb 15, 2019 6:59:25 GMT
This is just bullshit to try to boost Season Ticket sales which are going to be at all time low. Bound to be a huge hit,but all time low? Nah. We used to sell about 3000 season tickets many moons ago
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Post by wilcopotter on Feb 15, 2019 6:59:37 GMT
Why? He’s laying a challenge to the players, buy into what I want to achieve or I’ll move you on. The ball is in their court..... It's a dumbsmart statement. He's not going to be able to move on players who are on lenghty contracts with huge pay packets if those players refuse to move, and this means there will be less money to buy players and to motivate those that do come with lesser wages. Therefore he needs to sweeten the large amount of deadwood that is still going to be around and will be a disruptive force in the dressing room if he doesn't play them. You either pay them up, or alternatively pay them to stay away, much like Lambert did with Afellay. There’s no easy way out financially, but you can stop their disruption by excluding them. Some will sit it out, others, like Wimmer, I think will settle up because they want away.
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 15, 2019 7:03:19 GMT
Getting rid of the Director of Football should be the first step.
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Post by Jimm on Feb 15, 2019 7:08:11 GMT
This is just bullshit to try to boost Season Ticket sales which are going to be at all time low. 10000%
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Post by felonious on Feb 15, 2019 7:10:37 GMT
Sounds great, time will tell if he is as good as his word. Is it a good idea to put this kind of stuff into the public domain just yet though? It’s hardly motivational for the current crop between now and the end if the season is it? Why? He’s laying a challenge to the players, buy into what I want to achieve or I’ll move you on. The ball is in their court..... ...... or a friendly get your house on the market now.
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