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Post by redwhite on Feb 8, 2019 9:49:54 GMT
Bojan has played 40 games as poorly as Sam Clucas' performance against Hull. Fucking hell this board. More or less, yeah, I'd say if you were to go through all of his appearances with a fine tooth comb it would suggest overall he's not been great. He will be remembered for the spell we had under Sparky because frankly that was brilliant to watch, but otherwise it has been poor touch, poor pass, poor performance or injury. Fucking hell nothing mate. It's a simple thing to understand. You are talking utter bollocks.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 8, 2019 9:55:45 GMT
Yeah that's why Hughes got rid, Lambert didn't bring him back, Rowett didn't use him and NJ has used him once in five games.You don't think that NJ has used Bojan once in 5 games because Bojan was ill with a virus for the first 3 games of NJ's reign and then NJ gave him a match on the bench as an unused sub before starting him in the 5th game? No, that would be far too sensible for any decent manager to contemplate wouldn't it? Seriously, you should realise that you have an agenda which might just be blinding you to the facts of NJ's treatment of Bojan. No agenda but the harsh facts are he's done fuck all for 3 year anywhere.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 8, 2019 10:06:18 GMT
You don't think that NJ has used Bojan once in 5 games because Bojan was ill with a virus for the first 3 games of NJ's reign and then NJ gave him a match on the bench as an unused sub before starting him in the 5th game? No, that would be far too sensible for any decent manager to contemplate wouldn't it? Seriously, you should realise that you have an agenda which might just be blinding you to the facts of NJ's treatment of Bojan. No agenda but the harsh facts are he's done fuck all for 3 year anywhere. Your suggestion that NJ didn't rate Bojan because he only played him once in 5 games DOES suggest an agenda. Do you really think a new manager (or any decent manager, come to that) should play a player when he is ill with a virus? Or that he should rush him back after the virus - even though he has not played a competitive game for nearly 3 months? If you really think that, then we should all be grateful that it is NJ and not you who is in charge of our team.
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Post by tosh on Feb 8, 2019 10:28:08 GMT
No agenda but the harsh facts are he's done fuck all for 3 year anywhere. Your suggestion that NJ didn't rate Bojan because he only played him once in 5 games DOES suggest an agenda. Do you really think a new manager (or any decent manager, come to that) should play a player when he is ill with a virus? Or that he should rush him back after the virus - even though he has not played a competitive game for nearly 3 months? If you really think that, then we should all be grateful that it is NJ and not you who is in charge of our team. On top of which, hasn’t NJ been quoted as saying that he wants Bojan at Stoke as he sees him as the ideal player for the top of his diamond? His recent statement that he’s “not going anywhere” even though he could increase earnings considerably, may suggest he’s had some assurances from the manager.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 8, 2019 10:28:50 GMT
I don’t buy that. I’d love to see him rip the Championship apart for us, but let’s be realistic. He’s done nothing, absolutely nothing either with us, or two other clubs on loan in three years. The chances are the guy is a busted flush, and we are hoping for a repeat of an eight game purple patch four years ago to rescue us. It ain’t happening. People clung on to Jon Walters’ six month purple patch for six years. Bojan was an integral part of the best football I’ve ever seen a Stoke team play, and for some reason has been ostracised whilst we have to watch repeated shite from the likes of Joe Allen, Peter Etebo and Tom Ince, who week on week produce next to fuck all but escape the cull. Ability wise, even if he lost a leg he’s in a completely different league to the plodders we’re infested with. People clung on to Walters 6 month golden patch? 6 months? Is this the Walters our highest premiership goalscorer? That Walters? Seriously? Bojan had the purple patch get your facts right.. Unbelievable, I'm out of this thread. Love is blind, as they say.
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Post by salvioni97 on Feb 8, 2019 10:31:06 GMT
People clung on to Jon Walters’ six month purple patch for six years. Bojan was an integral part of the best football I’ve ever seen a Stoke team play, and for some reason has been ostracised whilst we have to watch repeated shite from the likes of Joe Allen, Peter Etebo and Tom Ince, who week on week produce next to fuck all but escape the cull. Ability wise, even if he lost a leg he’s in a completely different league to the plodders we’re infested with. People clung on to Walters 6 month golden patch? 6 months? Is this the Walters our highest premiership goalscorer? That Walters? Seriously? Bojan had the purple patch get your facts right.. Unbelievable, I'm out of this thread. Love is blind, as they say.
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 8, 2019 10:35:04 GMT
When are we going to hear this "Tough Truth about Bojan" all I've read is agenda driven made up clap trap.
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Post by Robo10 on Feb 8, 2019 10:42:50 GMT
Our club is full of nobbers - some in charge, others in the stands.
Bodger is the closest we have to any creative spark whatsoever in the team, and a run of 8-10 games will see him match fit, match speed, and ripping oppositions to bits.
He needs time to get back into the swing of it with regular football, for players to understand his movement and ideas, which channels he will run down or play the ball through, and to cover any defensive weakness he might have
You cant do that on the training pitch
People on here wanting their own players to fail fucking baffles me!
If he had played as many games as Berahino (your username is fairly ironic!), Ince, McClean and he was still struggling I could accept it - but he simply hasnt!
NJ will have faith, and I have faith too.
Time and patience - some of you need to learn what that is.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 8, 2019 11:05:51 GMT
Your suggestion that NJ didn't rate Bojan because he only played him once in 5 games DOES suggest an agenda. Do you really think a new manager (or any decent manager, come to that) should play a player when he is ill with a virus? Or that he should rush him back after the virus - even though he has not played a competitive game for nearly 3 months? If you really think that, then we should all be grateful that it is NJ and not you who is in charge of our team. On top of which, hasn’t NJ been quoted as saying that he wants Bojan at Stoke as he sees him as the ideal player for the top of his diamond? His recent statement that he’s “not going anywhere” even though he could increase earnings considerably, may suggest he’s had some assurances from the manager. Yes, that's true. I was saving that titbit to throw at Berahinosgoals if he didn't admit defeat gracefully! And you can understand why NJ would feel that way. On the face of it Bojan looks like he is POTENTIALLY the ideal candidate for the top of the diamond. I think it will depend upon NJ's motivational and confidence building skills. Bojan clearly has lost something since his purple patch before his long injury lay off. But he has done enough good things in flashes since then to suggest it may be a confidence/mental thing rather than simply that he has lost his skill. Certainly NJ (and the club) would be foolish to write Bojan off before giving him a chance to see if he can recapture his mojo under a new manager and in a formation to which he would appear to be suited. Everything so far suggests NJ is prepared to spend the time end effort to try bring things to a happy conclusion. Obviously we have to hope that NJ and berahinosgoals don't become bosom buddies between now and the end of the season.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Feb 8, 2019 11:32:11 GMT
Relegation caused through “signing shit players not capable of winning football matches and not wanting to play for Stoke”. Some truth in that but a slightly strange statement to put on a Bojan thread from someone inspired to choose as his user name berahinosgoals. In terms of talent, attitude, loyalty and commitment to Stoke City Bojan possesses everything which Berahino lacks. The absence of “Berahino’s goals” and his couldn’t care less attitude contributed massively to our demise. No strikers will score goals if you don't give them chances, what's bojans excuse for the past 3 years at 3 different clubs for making zero impact? Wether you like him or not Berahino has been one of the better performers this season when played. I'd like to see him tried alongside vokes. If it works you have to just let the guy paying his fines, fuller was no choir boy. "Ric is Ric" was a popular quote. Bojan has had a few personal things going on. We anyway it's wrong this idea that there championship requires a team a full of grafters, look at wolves and fulham last season. When we had a wobble in the premier league people always wanted is to drop the good technical players, even though they just like now are the matchwinners
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 8, 2019 12:25:12 GMT
People clung on to Jon Walters’ six month purple patch for six years. Bojan was an integral part of the best football I’ve ever seen a Stoke team play, and for some reason has been ostracised whilst we have to watch repeated shite from the likes of Joe Allen, Peter Etebo and Tom Ince, who week on week produce next to fuck all but escape the cull. Ability wise, even if he lost a leg he’s in a completely different league to the plodders we’re infested with. People clung on to Walters 6 month golden patch? 6 months? Is this the Walters our highest premiership goalscorer? That Walters? Seriously? Bojan had the purple patch get your facts right.. Unbelievable, I'm out of this thread. Love is blind, as they say. The same Walters who played about 3000 games, so I’d expect the goals scored stat to be higher, and was by and large, an extremely limited footballer. I’m not quite sure why this post was dug up given we were debating Berahino’s usefulness against Bojan’s.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 8, 2019 12:47:07 GMT
People clung on to Walters 6 month golden patch? 6 months? Is this the Walters our highest premiership goalscorer? That Walters? Seriously? Bojan had the purple patch get your facts right.. Unbelievable, I'm out of this thread. Love is blind, as they say. The same Walters who played about 3000 games, so I’d expect the goals scored stat to be higher, and was by and large, an extremely limited footballer. I’m not quite sure why this post was dug up given we were debating Berahino’s usefulness against Bojan’s. ^^^ Nurse! nurse! The lunatics have taken over the asylum. If we had a team of Walters' we wouldn't be where we are today. If this is what we rate footballers by now, individual skill then we truly are fucked. How anyone can shout down jon Walters is beyond belief. He is literally everything we havnt got, money doesn't buy it. Unbelievable. This time I am out of this thread. Bojan held in higher regard than jon walters, ive heard it all now. There is a reason jon Walters was consistently picked & has played more games for scfc than bojan has. Unbelievable.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 8, 2019 12:57:28 GMT
On top of which, hasn’t NJ been quoted as saying that he wants Bojan at Stoke as he sees him as the ideal player for the top of his diamond? His recent statement that he’s “not going anywhere” even though he could increase earnings considerably, may suggest he’s had some assurances from the manager. Yes, that's true. I was saving that titbit to throw at Berahinosgoals if he didn't admit defeat gracefully! And you can understand why NJ would feel that way. On the face of it Bojan looks like he is POTENTIALLY the ideal candidate for the top of the diamond. I think it will depend upon NJ's motivational and confidence building skills. Bojan clearly has lost something since his purple patch before his long injury lay off. But he has done enough good things in flashes since then to suggest it may be a confidence/mental thing rather than simply that he has lost his skill. Certainly NJ (and the club) would be foolish to write Bojan off before giving him a chance to see if he can recapture his mojo under a new manager and in a formation to which he would appear to be suited. Everything so far suggests NJ is prepared to spend the time end effort to try bring things to a happy conclusion. Obviously we have to hope that NJ and berahinosgoals don't become bosom buddies between now and the end of the season. Sorry can't go without replying to this.. Me and nath will be like that 🤞 by the end of the season, he's just having a few teething problems atm 😉
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Post by jimmygscfc on Feb 8, 2019 13:02:27 GMT
That's the third time you've exited this thread. Make your bloody mind up.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 8, 2019 13:05:20 GMT
The same Walters who played about 3000 games, so I’d expect the goals scored stat to be higher, and was by and large, an extremely limited footballer. I’m not quite sure why this post was dug up given we were debating Berahino’s usefulness against Bojan’s. ^^^ Nurse! nurse! The lunatics have taken over the asylum. If we had a team of Walters' we wouldn't be where we are today. If this is what we rate footballers by now, individual skill then we truly are fucked. How anyone can shout down jon Walters is beyond belief. He is literally everything we havnt got, money doesn't buy it. Unbelievable. This time I am out of this thread. Bojan held in higher regard than jon walters, ive heard it all now. There is a reason jon Walters was consistently picked & has played more games for scfc than bojan has. Unbelievable. What are we supposed to rate footballers on if we don’t rate them on skill?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 14:13:41 GMT
Because he virtually hasn't been picked in ages. Can't be doing much in training then can he if he can't get in a struggling team? He just got into the team last week so what are you talking about, prejudice?
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Post by pavel on Feb 8, 2019 14:24:18 GMT
The same Walters who played about 3000 games, so I’d expect the goals scored stat to be higher, and was by and large, an extremely limited footballer. I’m not quite sure why this post was dug up given we were debating Berahino’s usefulness against Bojan’s. ^^^ Nurse! nurse! The lunatics have taken over the asylum. If we had a team of Walters' we wouldn't be where we are today. If this is what we rate footballers by now, individual skill then we truly are fucked. How anyone can shout down jon Walters is beyond belief. He is literally everything we havnt got, money doesn't buy it. Unbelievable. This time I am out of this thread. Bojan held in higher regard than jon walters, ive heard it all now. There is a reason jon Walters was consistently picked & has played more games for scfc than bojan has. Unbelievable. Jesus wept
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Post by redwhite on Feb 8, 2019 14:34:01 GMT
The same Walters who played about 3000 games, so I’d expect the goals scored stat to be higher, and was by and large, an extremely limited footballer. I’m not quite sure why this post was dug up given we were debating Berahino’s usefulness against Bojan’s. ^^^ Nurse! nurse! The lunatics have taken over the asylum. If we had a team of Walters' we wouldn't be where we are today. If this is what we rate footballers by now, individual skill then we truly are fucked. How anyone can shout down jon Walters is beyond belief. He is literally everything we havnt got, money doesn't buy it. Unbelievable. This time I am out of this thread. Bojan held in higher regard than jon walters, ive heard it all now. There is a reason jon Walters was consistently picked & has played more games for scfc than bojan has. Unbelievable. You're right in one sense, we wouldn't be where we are today, we'd probably be a league lower. Such a laughable and lazy idea that somehow having 11 players who are awful on the ball but work aarrrddd is the key to success. What is it Walters has that people like Allen and McClean don't? Rowett's teams were full of workhorses who lacked skill and it led to horrendous and ineffective football. We have been absolutely screaming out for creativity and 'individual skill' all season. The rose tinted specs for Walters are hilarious. Loved because he's a 'model pro' and scored two at Wembley. He was massively limited and consistently one of our worst players season after season. We have a very similar player in McClean now and he's similarly missing good chances, messing up attacks, and running down blind alleys.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 14:39:53 GMT
^^^ Nurse! nurse! The lunatics have taken over the asylum. If we had a team of Walters' we wouldn't be where we are today. If this is what we rate footballers by now, individual skill then we truly are fucked. How anyone can shout down jon Walters is beyond belief. He is literally everything we havnt got, money doesn't buy it. Unbelievable. This time I am out of this thread. Bojan held in higher regard than jon walters, ive heard it all now. There is a reason jon Walters was consistently picked & has played more games for scfc than bojan has. Unbelievable. You're right in one sense, we wouldn't be where we are today, we'd probably be a league lower. Such a laughable and lazy idea that somehow having 11 players who are awful on the ball but work aarrrddd is the key to success. What is it Walters has that people like Allen and McClean don't? Rowett's teams were full of workhorses who lacked skill and it led to horrendous and ineffective football. We have been absolutely screaming out for creativity and 'individual skill' all season. The rose tinted specs for Walters are hilarious. Loved because he's a 'model pro' and scored two at Wembley. He was massively limited and consistently one of our worst players season after season. We have a very similar player in McClean now and he's similarly missing good chances, messing up attacks, and running down blind alleys. You can’t compare Super John to McClean!
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 8, 2019 14:55:51 GMT
All I can say is I'm flabbergasted at the lack of knowledge the select few on this thread has on football. Truly staggered. Even embarrassed for you.😁
I could pick them last few posts to pieces as I'm sure many more could but I'm done with trying to change half wits opinions, they bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Lol
I rest my case your honour.
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Post by tosh on Feb 8, 2019 15:00:08 GMT
You're right in one sense, we wouldn't be where we are today, we'd probably be a league lower. Such a laughable and lazy idea that somehow having 11 players who are awful on the ball but work aarrrddd is the key to success. What is it Walters has that people like Allen and McClean don't? Rowett's teams were full of workhorses who lacked skill and it led to horrendous and ineffective football. We have been absolutely screaming out for creativity and 'individual skill' all season. The rose tinted specs for Walters are hilarious. Loved because he's a 'model pro' and scored two at Wembley. He was massively limited and consistently one of our worst players season after season. We have a very similar player in McClean now and he's similarly missing good chances, messing up attacks, and running down blind alleys. You can’t compare Super John to McClean! Absolutely right! Being a Bojan supporter in no way stops me appreciating Walters’ qualities. A great signing for Stoke who gave everything on the pitch and was great in the dressing room. He always worried and wound up defenders, and scored a lot of great goals including a “perfect” hat trick against QPR. When McLean matches Walters contribution I will be impressed.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 8, 2019 15:07:53 GMT
All I can say is I'm flabbergasted at the lack of knowledge the select few on this thread has on football. Truly staggered. Even embarrassed for you.😁 I could pick them last few posts to pieces as I'm sure many more could but I'm done with trying to change half wits opinions, they bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Lol I rest my case your honour. Then why don’t you? Given this evidently superior intellect you possess over the filthy, unwashed masses. I could have sworn the posts offered are opinions, I think Walters is crap, you think Bojan is crap, doesn’t make either of us a halfwit, however taking the elitist approach does.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 15:10:31 GMT
You can’t compare Super John to McClean! Absolutely right! Being a Bojan supporter in no way stops me appreciating Walters’ qualities. A great signing for Stoke who gave everything on the pitch and was great in the dressing room. He always worried and wound up defenders, and scored a lot of great goals including a “perfect” hat trick against QPR. When McLean matches Walters contribution I will be impressed. Indeed. I stayed off this thread after yesterday when the following were just so absurd I just couldn't comment and wasted my day: 1. Berahino has contributed more to this football club than Bojan 2. A heat map of the Preston game could be used to show Bojan did nothing at No.10 (true but unfair considering he didn't play) 3. Sam Clucas is better footballer than Bojan We always needed a mix in my view of a bit of flair and bit of muscle (although in no way am I saying Walters was not talented). The Everybody Needs a Whelan song summed it up perfectly. My argument for Bojan on this has always been we're now completely bereft of any flair or even players who can accurately pass a ball forwards. Even the Berahino love in, although the comment I refer to above is mental, he has tried more this year and I do think he would benefit if Bojan was on the pitch as would all of our strikers.
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Post by pavel on Feb 8, 2019 15:23:13 GMT
All I can say is I'm flabbergasted at the lack of knowledge the select few on this thread has on football. Truly staggered. Even embarrassed for you.😁 I could pick them last few posts to pieces as I'm sure many more could but I'm done with trying to change half wits opinions, they bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Lol I rest my case your honour. Then why don’t you? Given this evidently superior intellect you possess over the filthy, unwashed masses. I could have sworn the posts offered are opinions, I think Walters is crap, you think Bojan is crap, doesn’t make either of us a halfwit, however taking the elitist approach does. Yep why doesn’t he enlighten us but he rests his case without putting one forward, truly delusional. Yet he calls people on this thread half - wits and lunatics, you couldn’t make it up!!
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Post by elystokie on Feb 8, 2019 15:26:24 GMT
That's the third time you've exited this thread. Make your bloody mind up. Think he's punch drunk, not surprising given the pasting he's taken, if it was a boxing match it would have been stopped long ago.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 8, 2019 16:09:46 GMT
The same Walters who played about 3000 games, so I’d expect the goals scored stat to be higher, and was by and large, an extremely limited footballer. I’m not quite sure why this post was dug up given we were debating Berahino’s usefulness against Bojan’s. ^^^ Nurse! nurse! The lunatics have taken over the asylum. If we had a team of Walters' we wouldn't be where we are today. If this is what we rate footballers by now, individual skill then we truly are fucked. How anyone can shout down jon Walters is beyond belief. He is literally everything we havnt got, money doesn't buy it. Unbelievable. This time I am out of this thread. Bojan held in higher regard than jon walters, ive heard it all now. There is a reason jon Walters was consistently picked & has played more games for scfc than bojan has. Unbelievable. You said you were out of this thread.......sod off.
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Post by stantheman on Feb 8, 2019 16:19:12 GMT
I can't be arsed to trawl through all the pages on this thread, so just to summarise, Bojan is the only chink of light in what is slowly becoming a darker, and darker tunnel.
He has an affinity with supporters and we have very few of those at the club. He's been treated woefully this season and for our former manager to have said what he did say, was the final straw for me.
This season is over so there is nothing to lose in srating him every match for the next 8 to 10 games, and let's see what form is still has left in him.
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Post by stokierich on Feb 8, 2019 16:27:53 GMT
^^^ Nurse! nurse! The lunatics have taken over the asylum. If we had a team of Walters' we wouldn't be where we are today. If this is what we rate footballers by now, individual skill then we truly are fucked. How anyone can shout down jon Walters is beyond belief. He is literally everything we havnt got, money doesn't buy it. Unbelievable. This time I am out of this thread. Bojan held in higher regard than jon walters, ive heard it all now. There is a reason jon Walters was consistently picked & has played more games for scfc than bojan has. Unbelievable. You said you were out of this thread.......sod off. The bloke is idiot/WUM, he was saying something completely different at the start of season regarding Bojan. For some reason them post have magical vanished from his history
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 8, 2019 16:32:34 GMT
^^^ Nurse! nurse! The lunatics have taken over the asylum. If we had a team of Walters' we wouldn't be where we are today. If this is what we rate footballers by now, individual skill then we truly are fucked. How anyone can shout down jon Walters is beyond belief. He is literally everything we havnt got, money doesn't buy it. Unbelievable. This time I am out of this thread. Bojan held in higher regard than jon walters, ive heard it all now. There is a reason jon Walters was consistently picked & has played more games for scfc than bojan has. Unbelievable. You said you were out of this thread.......sod off. 😁 O.k Linus, walters<Bojan? Lmao backwards
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 8, 2019 16:34:25 GMT
You said you were out of this thread.......sod off. The bloke is idiot/WUM, he was saying something completely different at the start of season regarding Bojan. For some reason them post have magical vanished from his history of course I was, whatever suits your ideal, Pillock. I don't need to say anymore the delusions of grandeur say it all in the last few pages.
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