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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 7, 2019 13:56:18 GMT
Probably would do if bojan did what he was supposed to be doing instead of touring around Europe adding nothing and getting 10 or 11 games a season at bang average teams/clubs So we’re having a go at players who didn’t do anything for the club whilst not actually with the club now are we? On that basis, what’s Berahino’s excuse for now resembling a league 1 player that can’t score and is grossly unprofessional? Looking at it objectively with no fanboying: Bojan has more goals Bojan has more assists Bojan has a connection with the fanbase Berahino turns up when he wants for training and just pays the fine Berahino doesn’t have the technical ability to play behind a front man to accommodate for his actual finishing ability vanishing The only memorable thing Saido Berahino has done for this club is provide the assist to Jese to score the winner against Arsenal. Quite why there’s this clamour for a bang average unprofessional player that can’t even be arsed to show up on time to the club that pays him a handsome wage I’ve no idea. Rowett said it, Jones has said it. Berahino is the best natural finishers we've got. This guy needs to play alongside vokes and get chances. Bojan will leave on a free transfer when his contract is up and end up in some mediocre Spanish second division side. Berahino has been applauded off well a few times this season by the fans that hate him.. hmmmm
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 7, 2019 13:58:36 GMT
So we’re having a go at players who didn’t do anything for the club whilst not actually with the club now are we? On that basis, what’s Berahino’s excuse for now resembling a league 1 player that can’t score and is grossly unprofessional? Looking at it objectively with no fanboying: Bojan has more goals Bojan has more assists Bojan has a connection with the fanbase Berahino turns up when he wants for training and just pays the fine Berahino doesn’t have the technical ability to play behind a front man to accommodate for his actual finishing ability vanishing The only memorable thing Saido Berahino has done for this club is provide the assist to Jese to score the winner against Arsenal. Quite why there’s this clamour for a bang average unprofessional player that can’t even be arsed to show up on time to the club that pays him a handsome wage I’ve no idea. Rowett said it, Jones has said it. Berahino is one of my the best natural finishers we've got. This guy needs to play alongside vokes and get chances. Bojan will leave on a free transfer when his contract is up and end up in some mediocre Spanish second division side. That may transpire. However Berahino has had more chances than most, and hasn’t produced even a tenth of what we were expecting. Anyone can score in training, I scored an outrageous outside of the foot screamer once and I’m complete dogshit. Berahino is beyond redemption at this point.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 7, 2019 13:59:43 GMT
Rowett said it, Jones has said it. Berahino is one of my the best natural finishers we've got. This guy needs to play alongside vokes and get chances. Bojan will leave on a free transfer when his contract is up and end up in some mediocre Spanish second division side. That may transpire. However Berahino has had more chances than most, and hasn’t produced even a tenth of what we were expecting. Anyone can score in training, I scored an outrageous outside of the foot screamer once and I’m complete dogshit. Berahino is beyond redemption at this point. Berahino has been applauded off well a few times this season by the fans that hate him.. hmmm. No connection with the fans? It's his performances on the pitch that matter.
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Post by pavel on Feb 7, 2019 14:00:14 GMT
Probably would do if bojan did what he was supposed to be doing instead of touring around Europe adding nothing and getting 10 or 11 games a season at bang average teams/clubs So we’re having a go at players who didn’t do anything for the club whilst not actually with the club now are we? On that basis, what’s Berahino’s excuse for now resembling a league 1 player that can’t score and is grossly unprofessional? Looking at it objectively with no fanboying: Bojan has more goals Bojan has more assists Bojan has a connection with the fanbase Berahino turns up when he wants for training and just pays the fine Berahino doesn’t have the technical ability to play behind a front man to accommodate for his actual finishing ability vanishing The only memorable thing Saido Berahino has done for this club is provide the assist to Jese to score the winner against Arsenal. Quite why there’s this clamour for a bang average unprofessional player that can’t even be arsed to show up on time to the club that pays him a handsome wage I’ve no idea. This sums it all up and i’m someone who thinks Berahino has played reasonably this year and applied himself a bit more, but and it’s a big but, he’s not scoring goals and not looking like doing so and that’s his job. I still think there’s a player in there somewhere but I’m not sure it will ever get out. Basically he’s wasted what was once a promising career, which is a shame for him and us.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 7, 2019 14:02:14 GMT
So we’re having a go at players who didn’t do anything for the club whilst not actually with the club now are we? On that basis, what’s Berahino’s excuse for now resembling a league 1 player that can’t score and is grossly unprofessional? Looking at it objectively with no fanboying: Bojan has more goals Bojan has more assists Bojan has a connection with the fanbase Berahino turns up when he wants for training and just pays the fine Berahino doesn’t have the technical ability to play behind a front man to accommodate for his actual finishing ability vanishing The only memorable thing Saido Berahino has done for this club is provide the assist to Jese to score the winner against Arsenal. Quite why there’s this clamour for a bang average unprofessional player that can’t even be arsed to show up on time to the club that pays him a handsome wage I’ve no idea. This sums it all up and i’m someone who thinks Berahino has played reasonably this year and applied himself a bit more, but and it’s a big but, he’s not scoring goals and not looking like doing so and that’s his job. I still think there’s a player in there somewhere but I’m not sure it will ever get out. Basically he’s wasted what was once a promising career, which is a shame for him and us. Who is scoring goals? Why do we think this is then?
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Post by pavel on Feb 7, 2019 14:04:42 GMT
This sums it all up and i’m someone who thinks Berahino has played reasonably this year and applied himself a bit more, but and it’s a big but, he’s not scoring goals and not looking like doing so and that’s his job. I still think there’s a player in there somewhere but I’m not sure it will ever get out. Basically he’s wasted what was once a promising career, which is a shame for him and us. Who is scoring goals? Why do we think this is then? Just give it a break mate, we all know where you’re coming from. Repeat, repeat, repeat won’t make your assertions any less risible.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 7, 2019 14:05:36 GMT
Who is scoring goals? Why do we think this is then? Just give it a break mate, we all know where you’re coming from. Repeat, repeat, repeat won’t make your assertions any less risible. Well that's some reply, I rest my case.
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Post by pavel on Feb 7, 2019 14:06:55 GMT
Just give it a break mate, we all know where you’re coming from. Repeat, repeat, repeat won’t make your assertions any less risible. Well that's some reply, I rest my case. I’m afraid you haven’t got one
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 7, 2019 14:11:04 GMT
Well that's some reply, I rest my case. I’m afraid you haven’t got one I certainly have. Who else is scoring goals in this team? Why arnt they scoring goals? You tell me?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 14:18:28 GMT
I’m afraid you haven’t got one I certainly have. Who else is scoring goals in this team? Why arnt they scoring goals? You tell me? No-one but you've come on here slagging of Bojan for doing "fuck all" for three years (which isn't even true) then gone on a bizarre rant about Berahino who literally sat on his fat arse for three years despite being given numerous chances. Why aren't the team scoring goals? Because they've had no service. We've had no-one who will get the ball forward. Who can help sort that out? Bojan. Who was doing that on Saturday and took the free kick that Batth hit the bar from and put the cross in for the penalty? Bojan. If you want to go and make a case for Berahino why don't you do it on a Berahino thread rather than slag someone else off for no reason whatsoever?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 7, 2019 14:25:51 GMT
I certainly have. Who else is scoring goals in this team? Why arnt they scoring goals? You tell me? No-one but you've come on here slagging of Bojan for doing "fuck all" for three years (which isn't even true) then gone on a bizarre rant about Berahino who literally sat on his fat arse for three years despite being given numerous chances. Why aren't the team scoring goals? Because they've had no service. We've had no-one who will get the ball forward. Who can help sort that out? Bojan. Who was doing that on Saturday and took the free kick that Batth hit the bar from and put the cross in for the penalty? Bojan. If you want to go and make a case for Berahino why don't you do it on a Berahino thread rather than slag someone else off for no reason whatsoever? Well you've said it yourself so how do you expect anybody to score goals if they don't get chances. I didnt bring berahino up either somebody else did. Bojan has done fuck all for scfc in 3 years. 1 appearance and he's gods gift again. The sooner he's fucked off the better.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 14:30:04 GMT
No-one but you've come on here slagging of Bojan for doing "fuck all" for three years (which isn't even true) then gone on a bizarre rant about Berahino who literally sat on his fat arse for three years despite being given numerous chances. Why aren't the team scoring goals? Because they've had no service. We've had no-one who will get the ball forward. Who can help sort that out? Bojan. Who was doing that on Saturday and took the free kick that Batth hit the bar from and put the cross in for the penalty? Bojan. If you want to go and make a case for Berahino why don't you do it on a Berahino thread rather than slag someone else off for no reason whatsoever? Well you've said it yourself so how do you expect anybody to score goals if they don't get chances. Bojan has done fuck all for scfc in 3 years. 1 appearance and he's gods gift again. The sooner he's fucked off the better. [br The sooner Berahino is fucked off the better more like. Bojan has and always will be streets ahead of Berahino
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 7, 2019 14:32:49 GMT
Well you've said it yourself so how do you expect anybody to score goals if they don't get chances. Bojan has done fuck all for scfc in 3 years. 1 appearance and he's gods gift again. The sooner he's fucked off the better. [br The sooner Berahino is fucked off the better more like. Bojan has and always will be streets ahead of Berahino Yeah that's why Hughes got rid, Lambert didn't bring him back, Rowett didn't use him and NJ has used him once in five games.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 14:36:30 GMT
[br The sooner Berahino is fucked off the better more like. Bojan has and always will be streets ahead of Berahino Yeah that's why Hughes got rid, Lambert didn't bring him back, Rowett didn't use him and NJ has used him once in five games. Hughes dropped Boj for Imbula largely. Also Berahino was in and out of the team under Lambert and Rowett. How many games has Saido played under Jones tell me??
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 14:40:26 GMT
No-one but you've come on here slagging of Bojan for doing "fuck all" for three years (which isn't even true) then gone on a bizarre rant about Berahino who literally sat on his fat arse for three years despite being given numerous chances. Why aren't the team scoring goals? Because they've had no service. We've had no-one who will get the ball forward. Who can help sort that out? Bojan. Who was doing that on Saturday and took the free kick that Batth hit the bar from and put the cross in for the penalty? Bojan.
If you want to go and make a case for Berahino why don't you do it on a Berahino thread rather than slag someone else off for no reason whatsoever? Well you've said it yourself so how do you expect anybody to score goals if they don't get chances. I didnt bring berahino up either somebody else did. Bojan has done fuck all for scfc in 3 years. 1 appearance and he's gods gift again. The sooner he's fucked off the better. Please see above to answer your first question. For the second one, no-one's said that though, on the most part people can just see he has something to offer and wants him to be given a chance. And its a fucking joke that people come on and slag him off after one game for no reason.
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Post by eddie741 on Feb 7, 2019 14:51:55 GMT
Hard to expect much from him after being out for so long but lets be honest he didnt effect the game at all yesterday. I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon just yet saying hes crap because 3 managers havent picked him yet. But the question I have is the unwavering support in him warranted and if so why aren't other players afforded this kind of treatment from the fans? Most of the excuses I hear are confidence related etc and that he should be given a 10 game run or so in the team. It almost sounds reasonable but if you were to apply that to any other player in the squad itd be laughed at. The idea of giving a player not performing an extended run in the team just for a confidence boost. Thoughts?
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Post by eddie741 on Feb 7, 2019 14:52:54 GMT
Hard to expect much from him after being out for so long but lets be honest he didnt effect the game at all yesterday. I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon just yet saying hes crap because 3 managers havent picked him yet. But the question I have is the unwavering support in him warranted and if so why aren't other players afforded this kind of treatment from the fans? Most of the excuses I hear are confidence related etc and that he should be given a 10 game run or so in the team. It almost sounds reasonable but if you were to apply that to any other player in the squad itd be laughed at. The idea of giving a player not performing an extended run in the team just for a confidence boost. Thoughts?
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Post by vahl on Feb 7, 2019 15:00:07 GMT
That is the point. Including Bojan, what are we doing better? The Preston match should say something at least. Don't tell me it's only 2 matches being compared (preston without, hull with) and it's unfair because it's really not. You're the one that's dubious about Bojan after one match (which despite the fact that anyone who actually saw it will tell you was a million miles better than Preston and he was a big part of that but as you say let's not compare after one match. Better just write him off now and assume inccorectly he did fuck all). It's not one match though is it. Bojan has been the messiah for 3 seasons apparently. I think he can be a real asset to our team given circumstances - but he's not playing with players that suit him and he's not going to be either, because from here on out (now the so-called 'Premier League' lads are being shown the door) we're only going to be signing energizer bunnies. He will show glimpses of quality because that's Bojan, but that's all it ever is.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 7, 2019 15:00:32 GMT
Yeah that's why Hughes got rid, Lambert didn't bring him back, Rowett didn't use him and NJ has used him once in five games. Hughes dropped Boj for Imbula largely. Also Berahino was in and out of the team under Lambert and Rowett. How many games has Saido played under Jones tell me?? Hughes dropped bojan because he was doing nothing on the pitch, neither creating or defending, he was bringing nothing to the team on the pitch that's why he was bombed out. You believe bojan is upto creating opportunities and I believe Berahino is capable of scoring them playing alongside vokes in a pair. Well if both keep to their end if the deal we should be good then shouldn't we, over to you Mr Jones.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 15:06:17 GMT
You're the one that's dubious about Bojan after one match (which despite the fact that anyone who actually saw it will tell you was a million miles better than Preston and he was a big part of that but as you say let's not compare after one match. Better just write him off now and assume inccorectly he did fuck all). It's not one match though is it. Bojan has been the messiah for 3 seasons apparently. I think he can be a real asset to our team given circumstances - but he's not playing with players that suit him and he's not going to be either, because from here on out (now the so-called 'Premier League' lads are being shown the door) we're only going to be signing energizer bunnies. He will show glimpses of quality because that's Bojan, but that's all it ever is. You literally said you were dubious of him and asked for a heat map of the Preston game in which he didn't even play. You've literally just slagged him without even seeing him. I don't think he's the Messiah for what it's worth but I do think he's got more talent in his little toe than most of the others on the pitch and I don't really get the logic of slagging him off before he's been given a chance and why we shouldn't all be behind him instead of writing him off. It's literally as if because he's not single handedly winning us a game he's shit and past it.
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Post by vahl on Feb 7, 2019 15:20:24 GMT
It's not one match though is it. Bojan has been the messiah for 3 seasons apparently. I think he can be a real asset to our team given circumstances - but he's not playing with players that suit him and he's not going to be either, because from here on out (now the so-called 'Premier League' lads are being shown the door) we're only going to be signing energizer bunnies. He will show glimpses of quality because that's Bojan, but that's all it ever is. You literally said you were dubious of him and asked for a heat map of the Preston game in which he didn't even play. You've literally just slagged him without even seeing him. I don't think he's the Messiah for what it's worth but I do think he's got more talent in his little toe than most of the others on the pitch and I don't really get the logic of slagging him off before he's been given a chance and why we shouldn't all be behind him instead of writing him off. It's literally as if because he's not single handedly winning us a game he's shit and past it. A heat map would show us this diamond formation in all its glory and who's doing what. That's all that is. He's played for us nearly 80 times and 16 appearances this season alone - obviously not all from the start. He's not doing anything really. If you don't know what Bojan brings to the team at this point then I don't know what to say. Not just that but Alaves & Mainz have happened and not exactly been great. I think you are overrating Bojan completely tbh. He's no more important or effective than any other Stoke player at this point, to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 15:23:43 GMT
You literally said you were dubious of him and asked for a heat map of the Preston game in which he didn't even play. You've literally just slagged him without even seeing him. I don't think he's the Messiah for what it's worth but I do think he's got more talent in his little toe than most of the others on the pitch and I don't really get the logic of slagging him off before he's been given a chance and why we shouldn't all be behind him instead of writing him off. It's literally as if because he's not single handedly winning us a game he's shit and past it. A heat map would show us this diamond formation in all its glory and who's doing what. That's all that is. He's played for us nearly 80 times and 16 appearances this season alone - obviously not all from the start. He's not doing anything really. If you don't know what Bojan brings to the team at this point then I don't know what to say. Not just that but Alaves & Mainz have happened and not exactly been great. I think you are overrating Bojan completely tbh. He's no more important or effective than any other Stoke player at this point, to me. I do know what he brings to the team. His vision and quality is the link between the midfield and the forwards we've been missing. I have absolutely no idea how he's played 80 times this season or what he was meant to do in the 5-10 minute cameos in deep midfield or the left wing but I will just leave this here as how anyone can suggest he's no more important or effective than any other Stoke player which by default includes the likes Sam fucking Clucas is beyond me.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 7, 2019 15:26:14 GMT
He clearly needs games. Was let down by Rowett badly and just needs to get a bit more sharpness. I think he has a part to play, no doubt.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 7, 2019 15:26:45 GMT
Stephen Ireland is a free agent since December 2018. he'd probably make decent back up/ competition as a number 10 atm in this formation until the end of the season and he'd have a contract to play for, if not here somewhere else
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Post by vahl on Feb 7, 2019 15:34:59 GMT
A heat map would show us this diamond formation in all its glory and who's doing what. That's all that is. He's played for us nearly 80 times and 16 appearances this season alone - obviously not all from the start. He's not doing anything really. If you don't know what Bojan brings to the team at this point then I don't know what to say. Not just that but Alaves & Mainz have happened and not exactly been great. I think you are overrating Bojan completely tbh. He's no more important or effective than any other Stoke player at this point, to me. I do know what he brings to the team. His vision and quality is the link between the midfield and the forwards we've been missing. I have absolutely no idea how he's played 80 times this season or what he was meant to do in the 5-10 minute cameos in deep midfield or the left wing but I will just leave this here as how anyone can suggest he's no more important or effective than any other Stoke player which by default includes the likes Sam fucking Clucas is beyond me. What he was meant to do is have an impact. Something which he's not done in ages. I don't know what Clucas has to do with anything but I'd bet if you look at the stats he's not doing anything worse. Bojan has been one of the most talked up players of our recent history imo and yet here we are, mid-table Championship 2019, discussing if he's good enough for the first 11.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 15:38:46 GMT
I do know what he brings to the team. His vision and quality is the link between the midfield and the forwards we've been missing. I have absolutely no idea how he's played 80 times this season or what he was meant to do in the 5-10 minute cameos in deep midfield or the left wing but I will just leave this here as how anyone can suggest he's no more important or effective than any other Stoke player which by default includes the likes Sam fucking Clucas is beyond me. What he was meant to do is have an impact. Something which he's not done in ages. I don't know what Clucas has to do with anything but I'd bet if you look at the stats he's not doing anything worse. Bojan has been one of the most talked up players of our recent history imo and yet here we are, mid-table Championship 2019, discussing if he's good enough for the first 11. What Sam Clucas has to do with anything is that you said he's not as important or effective as any other Stoke player so by way of example I used Sam Clucas. I bet if you look up the stats on Saturday he was a million times worse but you obviously didn't go or watch it by any other means. There is no point in responding to you because someone says something in direct response to something you say then you say it has nothing to do with anything...
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Post by vahl on Feb 7, 2019 15:57:43 GMT
What he was meant to do is have an impact. Something which he's not done in ages. I don't know what Clucas has to do with anything but I'd bet if you look at the stats he's not doing anything worse. Bojan has been one of the most talked up players of our recent history imo and yet here we are, mid-table Championship 2019, discussing if he's good enough for the first 11. What Sam Clucas has to do with anything is that you said he's not as important or effective as any other Stoke player so by way of example I used Sam Clucas. I bet if you look up the stats on Saturday he was a million times worse but you obviously didn't go or watch it by any other means. There is no point in responding to you because someone says something in direct response to something you say then you say it has nothing to do with anything... Clucas had one of the worst performances possible I think, so I can't disagree with that. Bojan's played nearly 80 times overall for us and I'd say a good half of those appearances have been just as poor. Yet you talk him up as if he's been our star player and we can't cope without him. Shoulda/Woulda/Coulda mate. The PR team and Spanish mates he knows are good, I'll give them that. Even now it's 'Oh yeah, Bojan, he scored more goals than Leo Messi for La Masia - what a player!'. He's 28.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 16:09:02 GMT
What he was meant to do is have an impact. Something which he's not done in ages. Because he virtually hasn't been picked in ages.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 16:12:45 GMT
What Sam Clucas has to do with anything is that you said he's not as important or effective as any other Stoke player so by way of example I used Sam Clucas. I bet if you look up the stats on Saturday he was a million times worse but you obviously didn't go or watch it by any other means. There is no point in responding to you because someone says something in direct response to something you say then you say it has nothing to do with anything... Clucas had one of the worst performances possible I think, so I can't disagree with that. Bojan's played nearly 80 times overall for us and I'd say a good half of those appearances have been just as poor. Yet you talk him up as if he's been our star player and we can't cope without him. Shoulda/Woulda/Coulda mate. The PR team and Spanish mates he knows are good, I'll give them that. Even now it's 'Oh yeah, Bojan, he scored more goals than Leo Messi for La Masia - what a player!'. He's 28. I have literally said he deserves a chance and I believe he has a lot to offer. You are so intent on slating him you have decided to judge him against a standard I have not mentioned or set!
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 7, 2019 18:27:15 GMT
What he was meant to do is have an impact. Something which he's not done in ages. Because he virtually hasn't been picked in ages. Can't be doing much in training then can he if he can't get in a struggling team?
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