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Post by followyoudown on Feb 1, 2019 21:34:13 GMT
We arguably needed to sign a complete new back four. The defence and I don’t think I am exaggerating is/has been performing catastrophically and has been for a while. 2 centre backs needed, 1 clod-hopper (according to Wolves fans) signed and he could not get into the Middlesbrough side - I suppose we should be grateful he is not 40 Martina has gone from the right side of defence - not a brilliant player but the best of a poor bunch We had an issue where Pieter’s desperately needed backup and competition, we have solved that issue by getting rid of Pieter’s, we now do not have a viable left-sided defender on our books, to go with our right side of defence. Up front, another unprolific clod-hopper signed, puts himself about and will be a handful but hardly, as stated, prolific. Gone backwards in the window if that was humanly possible 2 defenders out and 1 in from that defence – beggars belief NJ is looking as bad as Hughes. Just another front man who is letting the backroom staff get on with the streamlining. What a disaster Not even a week after holocaust memorial day in the uk, clowns like you use the holocaust as a reference for a perceived poor transfer window. You couldnt make it up..... |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 1, 2019 21:36:58 GMT
I'm staggered that the Coates' just sit back and watch as Barry & Paul piss millions away year after year.
There may not be anything wrong with the policy but there is most definatly something wrong with those in charge of using it.
I don't trust the chuckle brothers to take stoke back to the premiership & fear in a few years time when the payments stop we'll be looking back at their 'era' as a fucking disaster that should have been ended years before. These idiots havnt the slightest clue in squad building.
I really hope NJ is not a yes man who is happy for the job.
Just like they left it too long to sack Hughes, they are repeating it with the c.e.o & head of recruitment.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 1, 2019 21:37:50 GMT
January is the time for paying over the odds to get you over the line. There's no point throwing silly money at loans, or paying excessive transfer fees for players who will be available for less in the summer, if there's no immediate need.
Our promotion hunt is long over. The big rebuild starts in the summer.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 1, 2019 21:43:32 GMT
January is the time for paying over the odds to get you over the line. There's no point throwing silly money at loans, or paying excessive transfer fees for players who will be available for less in the summer, if there's no immediate need. Our promotion hunt is long over. The big rebuild starts in the summer. Unless of course the players you want in January may go elsewhere in the summer so you’ve one chance to sign the player , if that’s the case your not over paying your laying founadations . id suggest now from what I’m told , the boy from Aberdeen will never play for stoke and we’ve tried to be too cute , for which we have a long and painful history |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 1, 2019 21:45:59 GMT
January is the time for paying over the odds to get you over the line. There's no point throwing silly money at loans, or paying excessive transfer fees for players who will be available for less in the summer, if there's no immediate need. Our promotion hunt is long over. The big rebuild starts in the summer. Unless of course the players you want in January may go elsewhere in the summer so you’ve one chance to sign the player , if that’s the case your not over paying your laying founadations . id suggest now from what I’m told , the boy from Aberdeen will never play for stoke and we’ve tried to be too cute , for which we have a long and painful history No chance of him in the summer, we missed the boat with that one. It's unbelievable really the level of incompetence. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 1, 2019 21:47:28 GMT
I'm staggered that the Coates' just sit back and watch as Barry & Paul piss millions away year after year. There may not be anything wrong with the policy but there is most definatly something wrong with those in charge of using it. I don't trust the chuckle brothers to take stoke back to the premiership & fear in a few years time when the payments stop we'll be looking back at their 'era' as a fucking disaster that should have been ended years before. These idiots havnt the slightest clue in squad building. I really hope NJ is not a yes man who is happy for the job. Just like they left it too long to sack Hughes, they are repeating it with the c.e.o & head of recruitment. Barry RIP ...............😎 |
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 1, 2019 21:55:27 GMT
This window has been dull. Thank fuck. overpaid under performing money grabbing wankers
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Post by Goonie on Feb 1, 2019 21:58:58 GMT
We arguably needed to sign a complete new back four. The defence and I don’t think I am exaggerating is/has been performing catastrophically and has been for a while. 2 centre backs needed, 1 clod-hopper (according to Wolves fans) signed and he could not get into the Middlesbrough side - I suppose we should be grateful he is not 40 Martina has gone from the right side of defence - not a brilliant player but the best of a poor bunch We had an issue where Pieter’s desperately needed backup and competition, we have solved that issue by getting rid of Pieter’s, we now do not have a viable left-sided defender on our books, to go with our right side of defence. Up front, another unprolific clod-hopper signed, puts himself about and will be a handful but hardly, as stated, prolific. Gone backwards in the window if that was humanly possible 2 defenders out and 1 in from that defence – beggars belief NJ is looking as bad as Hughes. Just another front man who is letting the backroom staff get on with the streamlining. What a disaster Not even a week after holocaust memorial day in the uk, clowns like you use the holocaust as a reference for a perceived poor transfer window. You couldnt make it up..... Indeed. Semantic inflation at its worse |
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 1, 2019 22:15:17 GMT
January is the time for paying over the odds to get you over the line. There's no point throwing silly money at loans, or paying excessive transfer fees for players who will be available for less in the summer, if there's no immediate need. Our promotion hunt is long over. The big rebuild starts in the summer. Unless of course the players you want in January may go elsewhere in the summer so you’ve one chance to sign the player , if that’s the case your not over paying your laying founadations . id suggest now from what I’m told , the boy from Aberdeen will never play for stoke and we’ve tried to be too cute , for which we have a long and painful history Do you really want to pay £10 million, on top of the other £50 million that we've already spent, on a player from the SPL? |
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Post by lordb on Feb 1, 2019 22:19:23 GMT
Unless of course the players you want in January may go elsewhere in the summer so you’ve one chance to sign the player , if that’s the case your not over paying your laying founadations . id suggest now from what I’m told , the boy from Aberdeen will never play for stoke and we’ve tried to be too cute , for which we have a long and painful history No chance of him in the summer, we missed the boat with that one. It's unbelievable really the level of incompetence. I'm not disagreeing that we shy have got the player now but why exactly is there no chance of getting him in the summer? |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 1, 2019 22:25:43 GMT
Unless of course the players you want in January may go elsewhere in the summer so you’ve one chance to sign the player , if that’s the case your not over paying your laying founadations . id suggest now from what I’m told , the boy from Aberdeen will never play for stoke and we’ve tried to be too cute , for which we have a long and painful history Do you really want to pay £10 million, on top of the other £50 million that we've already spent, on a player from the SPL? We’ve scouted him 25 times “ allegedly “ so presumably the club think he’s the best available , dont know him personally all I’m saying is if we wanted him Now was the time if we think he’s that good , the chance simply won’t come again |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 1, 2019 22:27:20 GMT
No chance of him in the summer, we missed the boat with that one. It's unbelievable really the level of incompetence. I'm not disagreeing that we shy have got the player now but why exactly is there no chance of getting him in the summer? Plenty more will be looking to make changes, managers change, squads change, teams go up & others come down. He's very highly rated |
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Post by pmjh on Feb 1, 2019 22:36:05 GMT
Do you really want to pay £10 million, on top of the other £50 million that we've already spent, on a player from the SPL? We’ve scouted him 25 times “ allegedly “ so presumably the club think he’s the best available , dont know him personally all I’m saying is if we wanted him Now was the time if we think he’s that good , the chance simply won’t come again You have to set yourself a target price. You can't pay more than you think a player is worth just because you want them. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 1, 2019 22:40:14 GMT
We’ve scouted him 25 times “ allegedly “ so presumably the club think he’s the best available , dont know him personally all I’m saying is if we wanted him Now was the time if we think he’s that good , the chance simply won’t come again You have to set yourself a target price. You can't pay more than you think a player is worth just because you want them. What price do you put on a long term successor to your club captain in 2019, imo slightly more than a 29 year old focal point. I thought we would have got him for 7m but you watch in summer we'll spend 3m on at least one squad/team player that won't work out for whatever reason. |
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Post by pmjh on Feb 1, 2019 22:45:16 GMT
You have to set yourself a target price. You can't pay more than you think a player is worth just because you want them. What price do you put on a long term successor to your club captain in 2019, imo slightly more than a 29 year old focal point. I thought we would have got him for 7m but you watch in summer we'll spend 3m on a player that won't work out for whatever reason I've no idea how they set the price and we all might value the players differently but whatever your price is you need to stick to it we don't have unlimited funds. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 1, 2019 22:47:48 GMT
What price do you put on a long term successor to your club captain in 2019, imo slightly more than a 29 year old focal point. I thought we would have got him for 7m but you watch in summer we'll spend 3m on a player that won't work out for whatever reason I've no idea how they set the price and we all might value the players differently but whatever your price is you need to stick to it we don't have unlimited funds. I agree but then you prioritise, what's more important a 29 year old focal point or a long term successor to your club captain? |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 1, 2019 22:52:18 GMT
You also have to weigh it up, chances are we would have had more chance signing vokes in the summer than McKenna, if McKenna was our top target we should have held off the batth bid until it was a definate not to happen
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Post by pmjh on Feb 1, 2019 22:52:53 GMT
I've no idea how they set the price and we all might value the players differently but whatever your price is you need to stick to it we don't have unlimited funds. I agree but then you prioritise, what's more important a 29 year old focal point or a long term successor to your club captain? I don't think signing Vokes had any bearing on whether we signed McKenna or not did it? |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 1, 2019 22:58:33 GMT
I agree but then you prioritise, what's more important a 29 year old focal point or a long term successor to your club captain? I don't think signing Vokes had any bearing on whether we signed McKenna or not did it? I'm not sure but we would have had extra funds if we had left vokes until the summer. don't want to write batth off as he might turn out decent but we could have had Clarke & McKenna this January, both have a bit of pace too. A solid longterm platform to begin building the new era from. It just doesn't make sense to me, grab it well the opportunity is there and adjust next year's budget to suit |
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Post by pmjh on Feb 1, 2019 23:04:11 GMT
I don't think signing Vokes had any bearing on whether we signed McKenna or not did it? I'm not sure but we would have had extra funds if we had left vokes until the summer. don't want to write batth off as he might turn out decent but we could have had Clarke & McKenna this January, both have a bit of pace too. A solid longterm platform to begin building the new era from. It just doesn't make sense to me, grab it well the opportunity is there and adjust next year's budget to suit I'd have liked at least one of them as well, preferably both, but they have their price. If I want to buy a car that's worth 10K I'm not paying 15K even if I can afford it. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 1, 2019 23:10:21 GMT
I'm not sure but we would have had extra funds if we had left vokes until the summer. don't want to write batth off as he might turn out decent but we could have had Clarke & McKenna this January, both have a bit of pace too. A solid longterm platform to begin building the new era from. It just doesn't make sense to me, grab it well the opportunity is there and adjust next year's budget to suit I'd have liked at least one of them as well, preferably both, but they have their price. If I want to buy a car that's worth 10K I'm not paying 15K even if I can afford it. So you'd get one for 3k then and 'hope' it's up to the job? If I needed a people carrier I wouldn't buy a van even if it was value for money |
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Post by lordb on Feb 1, 2019 23:10:53 GMT
I'm not disagreeing that we shy have got the player now but why exactly is there no chance of getting him in the summer? Plenty more will be looking to make changes, managers change, squads change, teams go up & others come down. He's very highly rated So that means Stoke can't sign him? You've lost me. Are you saying there is only one chance to sign a player? That's daft. |
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Post by Gods on Feb 1, 2019 23:12:43 GMT
Using the word holocaust in a football post? Inappropriate. I didn’t bother after that. I’m sure it was coherent. There is no issue at all in using it in a football post or a post on any other subject for that matter. You often see it used by esteemed writers on rock music for example. If you think there is you either don't know what it means or you are happy to have the word hijacked for a single niche definition. No one person or group owns any word. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 1, 2019 23:13:12 GMT
Plenty more will be looking to make changes, managers change, squads change, teams go up & others come down. He's very highly rated So that means Stoke can't sign him? You've lost me. Are you saying there is only one chance to sign a player? That's daft. No I'm saying there will be a hell of a lot more compitition. My bet is he'll end up at one of the promoted clubs |
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 1, 2019 23:16:19 GMT
We arguably needed to sign a complete new back four. The defence and I don’t think I am exaggerating is/has been performing catastrophically and has been for a while. 2 centre backs needed, 1 clod-hopper (according to Wolves fans) signed and he could not get into the Middlesbrough side - I suppose we should be grateful he is not 40 Martina has gone from the right side of defence - not a brilliant player but the best of a poor bunch We had an issue where Pieter’s desperately needed backup and competition, we have solved that issue by getting rid of Pieter’s, we now do not have a viable left-sided defender on our books, to go with our right side of defence. Up front, another unprolific clod-hopper signed, puts himself about and will be a handful but hardly, as stated, prolific. Gone backwards in the window if that was humanly possible 2 defenders out and 1 in from that defence – beggars belief NJ is looking as bad as Hughes. Just another front man who is letting the backroom staff get on with the streamlining. What a disaster Not even a week after holocaust memorial day in the uk, clowns like you use the holocaust as a reference for a perceived poor transfer window. You couldnt make it up..... "Holocaust" is a word that in broad terms means destruction, what you are possibly referring to is the phrase "The Holocaust" which is used to describe the persecution of the Jews in the 2nd world war. We could, for instance, be very close to a "Nuclear Holocaust" Saying we should not use the word "Holocaust" is like saying we should not use the word "War" because 100's of millions of people have died in wars, or, in deed, we should not use words like Persecution What we should not be allowed to do on the Oatie is persecute people for having an opinion or by calling them clowns - that sort of behaviour is more in line with the very people you report to dislike and, unfortunately, is regularly allowed on this site |
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Post by pmjh on Feb 1, 2019 23:22:35 GMT
I'd have liked at least one of them as well, preferably both, but they have their price. If I want to buy a car that's worth 10K I'm not paying 15K even if I can afford it. So you'd get one for 3k then and 'hope' it's up to the job? If I needed a people carrier I wouldn't buy a van even if it was value for money That's not really what I said is it. Most people will not pay more than they think something is worth even if they can afford it. After the way they have had their fingers burned in the past( Palacios, Wimmer, Imbula to name but 3 they are probably even more careful. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 1, 2019 23:28:48 GMT
So you'd get one for 3k then and 'hope' it's up to the job? If I needed a people carrier I wouldn't buy a van even if it was value for money That's not really what I said is it. Most people will not pay more than they think something is worth even if they can afford it. After the way they have had their fingers burned in the past( Palacios, Wimmer, Imbula to name but 3 they are probably even more careful. It comes right back to the age of the lads which brings a resale value, the state of our current defence, the risk factor of not being as good a choice for them in the summer. Not all the time but I think sometimes you need to raise the bar that bit higher in certain situations and see their true value to the club. Two solid signings like that would pay for themselves ten times over especially if it means you'll be right up there in the promotion mix, then in 5 yesrs time they are still 27 years of age |
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Post by mermaidsal on Feb 1, 2019 23:30:48 GMT
ask me in March
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Post by pmjh on Feb 1, 2019 23:47:55 GMT
Younger players would indeed be more likely to have a resale value than older ones. But that is not my point. The signing of Vokes and Batth wouldn't have any bearing on whether we signed McKenna or not. It seems that we had the money. we apparently offered 3 mill for Osborn. If we wanted to pay an extra £3 mill for Mckenna we could have simply used that. However somebody rightly or wrongly decided that he was not worth what Aberdeen were asking ( As apparently Aston Villa did in the summer). TBH I have no idea what he's worth. In fact I'd never heard of him until last week. I'd not heard of Matt Clarke either. It's OK saying push the boat out. but how far? 18mill for Wimmer 18.3 for Imbula.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 0:16:46 GMT
Younger players would indeed be more likely to have a resale value than older ones. But that is not my point. The signing of Vokes and Batth wouldn't have any bearing on whether we signed McKenna or not. It seems that we had the money. we apparently offered 3 mill for Osborn. If we wanted to pay an extra £3 mill for Mckenna we could have simply used that. However somebody rightly or wrongly decided that he was not worth what Aberdeen were asking ( As apparently Aston Villa did in the summer). TBH I have no idea what he's worth. In fact I'd never heard of him until last week. I'd not heard of Matt Clarke either. It's OK saying push the boat out. but how far? 18mill for Wimmer 18.3 for Imbula. Also £56.61m spent this season on transfer fees alone. Then comes the wages. The owners are putting the money in, but it needs to go to get players who will be dedicated to the cause. are not are putting funds in. But they need to be |
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