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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 25, 2019 20:46:10 GMT
You predicted relegation every season we were in the top flight. What year was that âgravity crocodileâ thread you started? He did indeed. Both incorrect but the gravity crocodile I did see and he had his way as predicted and indeed the only ray of of hope is Nathan Jones
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Post by kickbolukanbite on May 25, 2019 20:47:09 GMT
Soooo! Any news on Matt Clarke?
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Post by mickstupp on May 25, 2019 20:51:31 GMT
Sorry Pugs, youâre talking shite. You canât just change history. We are middle of the road and always have been. You can't change history but you can forge a new one. There is nothing middle of the road about the people running our club these days. So how come we still are after such heavy investment? Our story isnât a new one, loads of clubs with better history and much bigger fan bases than us have had exactly the same happen to them. Worse in some cases.
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Post by Pugsley on May 25, 2019 20:56:42 GMT
You can't change history but you can forge a new one. There is nothing middle of the road about the people running our club these days. So how come we still are after such heavy investment? Our story isnât a new one, loads of clubs with better history and much bigger fan bases than us have had exactly the same happen to them. Worse in some cases. Bad football choices, arrogance, lack of hard work, incompetence. Everything you can do something about.
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Post by thevoid on May 25, 2019 21:02:20 GMT
Boro and Southampton have won the same as us- two clubs I'd put on a similar standing as ourselves. Me too but they have won more than us and been to more domestic and European finals. Their supporters would see themselves as bigger than us Huddersfield have three league titles and Bury have two FA Cups- are they bigger clubs than Stoke/Boro/Southampton though? Not a chance.
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Post by lordb on May 25, 2019 21:35:44 GMT
Please explain how Norwich and Middlesbrough have better histories. Portsmouth and Southampton? If you talking about football history as since the Premier League started then you have a case. Three of those clubs have played fourth division,we never have. They wouldnât see themselves as being smaller clubs than us. Portsmouth bloody well should do. The others might be equal.
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Post by mickstupp on May 25, 2019 21:43:59 GMT
They wouldnât see themselves as being smaller clubs than us. Portsmouth bloody well should do. The others might be equal. Ok this kind of thing is subjective. The point Iâm trying to make is that our downtown in fortune is not exclusive to us. These things can and do happen to lots of smaller provincial clubs. Their stories are no different to ours.
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Post by rawli on May 25, 2019 21:44:47 GMT
Leeds Aston Villa Wolves Derby Leicester WBA Sunderland Sheffield United Sheffield Wednesday Middlesbrough Portsmouth Southampton Norwich Ipswich All clubs that would see themselves as being bigger clubs with better histories than Stoke City. All with the same story to tell as us (relegated from the top league with a squad containing expensive failures). To suggest we could change 150 years of mediocrity to become âanother Evertonâ is absolutely ridiculous. As the swathes of empty seats in the newly extended stadium have proved this season, we simply do not have the fan base to compete with most of the clubs Iâve listed above, never mind bloody Everton. As usual Stoke City fans love to know their place. This acceptance of mediocrity is pathetic. There is no reason why, with Billionaire owners, we could not have become a permanent fixture in the PL, not one. Arrogance, incompetence and downright bone-idleness have got us in this position. We have a fan base to fill a 35-40K stadium easily but it takes work, something the current owners are not prepared to do. Disagree that we have the fan base to fill a 40k stadium easily.
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Post by mickstupp on May 25, 2019 21:49:32 GMT
As usual Stoke City fans love to know their place. This acceptance of mediocrity is pathetic. There is no reason why, with Billionaire owners, we could not have become a permanent fixture in the PL, not one. Arrogance, incompetence and downright bone-idleness have got us in this position. We have a fan base to fill a 35-40K stadium easily but it takes work, something the current owners are not prepared to do. Disagree that we have the fan base to fill a 40k stadium easily. Itâs a ludicrous suggestion, as anyone who has attended this season will testify
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Post by Squeekster on May 25, 2019 21:53:57 GMT
I am sorry, but there was nothing inevitable about our demise. Especially from where we were. 100% agree , we shot ourselves in both feet with such bewildering and sustained incompetence itâs amazing We could pull the trigger . Well it's Saturday night been out with the wife and the dog all day but I don't know what they were serving in the bottom Bull or the Bleeding wolf but it's the first time ever I agree with you Ben!
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Post by owdestokie2 on May 25, 2019 22:04:54 GMT
As usual Stoke City fans love to know their place. This acceptance of mediocrity is pathetic. There is no reason why, with Billionaire owners, we could not have become a permanent fixture in the PL, not one. Arrogance, incompetence and downright bone-idleness have got us in this position. We have a fan base to fill a 35-40K stadium easily but it takes work, something the current owners are not prepared to do. Sorry Pugs, youâre talking shite. You canât just change history. We are middle of the road and always have been. Pugs was bang on. Heâs not suggesting you can change history. You can however plan strategically and manage effectively for the future. Thatâs where the failure was and sadly .âlessons donât appear to have been learntâ
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 25, 2019 22:13:33 GMT
100% agree , we shot ourselves in both feet with such bewildering and sustained incompetence itâs amazing We could pull the trigger . Well it's Saturday night been out with the wife and the dog all day but I don't know what they were serving in the bottom Bull or the Bleeding wolf but it's the first time ever I agree with you Ben! Welcome to the dark side đ
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 22:18:42 GMT
Disagree that we have the fan base to fill a 40k stadium easily. Itâs a ludicrous suggestion, as anyone who has attended this season will testify I was in Newcastle again for work this week. Brilliant stadium right in the middle of the city. I can easily see how you could take stoke city on to the next level and add another ten thousand plus regulars on the gate. It's to do with what you want the club to be, real ambition, what can of stadium you want to provide and where, what you want to offer on a matchday and at what price. Stoke could easily be a 40k plus club if the owners wanted it to be. But the fact is attendances don't really matter these days. Also, stoke is 16th for all time seasons in the top flight and is historically a top flight club. If I had coates money I'd have built a top class 40k capacity stadium in Hanley and invested in the transport infrastructure for the city, made it cheap and easy for fans to attend, leave a true legacy for the city as a whole. Mickstupp, your attitude is typical of stoke on Trent, nothing personal mate
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Post by mickstupp on May 25, 2019 22:18:53 GMT
Sorry Pugs, youâre talking shite. You canât just change history. We are middle of the road and always have been. Pugs was bang on. Heâs not suggesting you can change history. Â You can however plan strategically and manage effectively for the future. Â Thatâs where the failure was and sadly .âlessons donât appear to have been learntâ If you thought we would last in the Premier League forever then you were setting yourself up for disappointment. We had a really good run and we will come back at some stage. For a usually pragmatic poster, he was talking rot. 40,000 crowds.....horseshit.
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Post by Scrotnig on May 25, 2019 22:19:19 GMT
As usual Stoke City fans love to know their place. This acceptance of mediocrity is pathetic. There is no reason why, with Billionaire owners, we could not have become a permanent fixture in the PL, not one. Arrogance, incompetence and downright bone-idleness have got us in this position. We have a fan base to fill a 35-40K stadium easily but it takes work, something the current owners are not prepared to do. Disagree that we have the fan base to fill a 40k stadium easily. Just as well really, since we don't have one.
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Post by mickstupp on May 25, 2019 22:55:32 GMT
Itâs a ludicrous suggestion, as anyone who has attended this season will testify I was in Newcastle again for work this week. Brilliant stadium right in the middle of the city. I can easily see how you could take stoke city on to the next level and add another ten thousand plus regulars on the gate. It's to do with what you want the club to be, real ambition, what can of stadium you want to provide and where, what you want to offer on a matchday and at what price. Stoke could easily be a 40k plus club if the owners wanted it to be. But the fact is attendances don't really matter these days. Also, stoke is 16th for all time seasons in the top flight and is historically a top flight club. If I had coates money I'd have built a top class 40k capacity stadium in Hanley and invested in the transport infrastructure for the city, made it cheap and easy for fans to attend, leave a true legacy for the city as a whole. Mickstupp, your attitude is typical of stoke on Trent, nothing personal mate Get real mate, that was like reading an extract from a Hands Christian Anderson fairytale.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 26, 2019 7:16:57 GMT
The fan base isa red herring , it was used years ago and an indicator of wealth , and therefore funds our owning company is wealthier than any of those mentioned . Our model example is actually Leicester , owners of a large private wealth , but with colossal ambition , regular premier league status , top scouting and rising attendances over a sustained period and a premier league to throw in .The difference if course is extremely competent management .
Itâs ridiculous to suggest as one of the top 20 or higher wealthiest football owning companies in the world our rightful place is the championship , itâs part of sport but itâs not where ÂŁ190m investment should get you and itâs even less sustainable a position than mid table premier league
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 7:18:53 GMT
I was in Newcastle again for work this week. Brilliant stadium right in the middle of the city. I can easily see how you could take stoke city on to the next level and add another ten thousand plus regulars on the gate. It's to do with what you want the club to be, real ambition, what can of stadium you want to provide and where, what you want to offer on a matchday and at what price. Stoke could easily be a 40k plus club if the owners wanted it to be. But the fact is attendances don't really matter these days. Also, stoke is 16th for all time seasons in the top flight and is historically a top flight club. If I had coates money I'd have built a top class 40k capacity stadium in Hanley and invested in the transport infrastructure for the city, made it cheap and easy for fans to attend, leave a true legacy for the city as a whole. Mickstupp, your attitude is typical of stoke on Trent, nothing personal mate Get real mate, that was like reading an extract from a Hands Christian Anderson fairytale. We were starting to fill 30k by the end of our time in the PL. An extra 10k isn't out of the question if you get a few things right. Namely the ground and the match day experience. Market it towards families and make it a family day out and give them what you market. Not a stadium on the hill that plainly doesn't want you there too early or too late. The student market is also very much untapped. Many prefer to watch it online these days. Surely there can be something done to tempt them out? What about a regular e sport zone for example? What about ex armed forces and current NHS staff? Could we do something there? What about a craft ale zone to tap into what has been a growing market for the last 5 years or so? Street food is also very popular now. Agains, could something be done down that road? I know for a fact there are a few starter companies around this area in that line of work. We have frozen ticket prices for years and that deserves huge credit, but so much more surrounding that can be done. The fact it's taken this long to get contactless payment and an improved ticket system speaks volumes. It wouldn't be overnight and it's a bit too late now until we get back but this should have been done around the time of the 9th place finishes, a better transfer recruitment and replacing Hughes when he needed replacing. Hope the Roald Dahl novel hasn't sent you to sleep.... đ
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Post by mickstupp on May 26, 2019 7:29:47 GMT
Get real mate, that was like reading an extract from a Hands Christian Anderson fairytale. We were starting to fill 30k by the end of our time in the PL. An extra 10k isn't out of the question if you get a few things right. Namely the ground and the match day experience. Market it towards families and make it a family day out and give them what you market. Not a stadium on the hill that plainly doesn't want you there too early or too late. The student market is also very much untapped. Many prefer to watch it online these days. Surely there can be something done to tempt them out? What about a regular e sport zone for example? What about ex armed forces and current NHS staff? Could we do something there? What about a craft ale zone to tap into what has been a growing market for the last 5 years or so? Street food is also very popular now. Agains, could something be done down that road? I know for a fact there are a few starter companies around this area in that line of work. We have frozen ticket prices for years and that deserves huge credit, but so much more surrounding that can be done. The fact it's taken this long to get contactless payment and an improved ticket system speaks volumes. It wouldn't be overnight and it's a bit too late now until we get back but this should have been done around the time of the 9th place finishes, a better transfer recruitment and replacing Hughes when he needed replacing. Hope the Roald Dahl novel hasn't sent you to sleep.... đ đ All very nice ideas, but non of them are likely to add 10k onto our gates are they? Considering we are a two club city of 260,000 people we do very well to get the crowds we do.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 7:47:32 GMT
We were starting to fill 30k by the end of our time in the PL. An extra 10k isn't out of the question if you get a few things right. Namely the ground and the match day experience. Market it towards families and make it a family day out and give them what you market. Not a stadium on the hill that plainly doesn't want you there too early or too late. The student market is also very much untapped. Many prefer to watch it online these days. Surely there can be something done to tempt them out? What about a regular e sport zone for example? What about ex armed forces and current NHS staff? Could we do something there? What about a craft ale zone to tap into what has been a growing market for the last 5 years or so? Street food is also very popular now. Agains, could something be done down that road? I know for a fact there are a few starter companies around this area in that line of work. We have frozen ticket prices for years and that deserves huge credit, but so much more surrounding that can be done. The fact it's taken this long to get contactless payment and an improved ticket system speaks volumes. It wouldn't be overnight and it's a bit too late now until we get back but this should have been done around the time of the 9th place finishes, a better transfer recruitment and replacing Hughes when he needed replacing. Hope the Roald Dahl novel hasn't sent you to sleep.... đ đ All very nice ideas, but non of them are likely to add 10k onto our gates are they? Considering we are a two club city of 260,000 people we do very well to get the crowds we do. Not straight away no, but if you get the product right and a product that offers more than most it gives you something to market properly. Many years ago I did loads of business in and around Stafford. You never used to see anything related to Stoke but it took years after our promotion for the club to stick up a billboard advertising tickets. That's the county town just 14 miles away. The only other billboards I used to see were on the A500, deep in its own territory! Take a look at Lincoln City and their gates this season. Almost double their usual average. In part to their performance on the pitch no doubt but have a read around about what they are doing off the pitch. Drastically improved their matchday experience and involve supporters groups in a lot of decision making. We have a supporters council that has lip service paid to it.
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Post by owdestokie2 on May 26, 2019 8:27:39 GMT
Pugs was bang on. Heâs not suggesting you can change history. You can however plan strategically and manage effectively for the future. Thatâs where the failure was and sadly .âlessons donât appear to have been learntâ If you thought we would last in the Premier League forever then you were setting yourself up for disappointment. We had a really good run and we will come back at some stage. For a usually pragmatic poster, he was talking rot. 40,000 crowds.....horseshit. I donât believe we could sustain 40,000 gates because I donât think we have the catchment area. I do not accept our relegation as being âwell weâve had 10 yearsâ it was inevitable. Thatâs horseshit to my way of thinking. Good management from the the very top, and throughout the ranks would have provided the environment for an Everton type of existence. The clubs hierarchy were very public in their use of the word âsustainabilityâ, unfortunately they didnât understand the meaning, or have the ability to deliver it. I wonder what Denise would say to someone who suggests that Bet365 is punching above its weight and itâs inevitable that it will fail
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 8:35:16 GMT
We were starting to fill 30k by the end of our time in the PL. An extra 10k isn't out of the question if you get a few things right. Namely the ground and the match day experience. Market it towards families and make it a family day out and give them what you market. Not a stadium on the hill that plainly doesn't want you there too early or too late. The student market is also very much untapped. Many prefer to watch it online these days. Surely there can be something done to tempt them out? What about a regular e sport zone for example? What about ex armed forces and current NHS staff? Could we do something there? What about a craft ale zone to tap into what has been a growing market for the last 5 years or so? Street food is also very popular now. Agains, could something be done down that road? I know for a fact there are a few starter companies around this area in that line of work. We have frozen ticket prices for years and that deserves huge credit, but so much more surrounding that can be done. The fact it's taken this long to get contactless payment and an improved ticket system speaks volumes. It wouldn't be overnight and it's a bit too late now until we get back but this should have been done around the time of the 9th place finishes, a better transfer recruitment and replacing Hughes when he needed replacing. Hope the Roald Dahl novel hasn't sent you to sleep.... đ đ All very nice ideas, but non of them are likely to add 10k onto our gates are they? Considering we are a two club city of 260,000 people we do very well to get the crowds we do. Stoke on Trent and newcastle under Lyme is roughly 380k. I was in Newcastle upon Tyne and got speaking to a guy working for the city council there as it was a big shared office complex. Newcastle upon tyne has lesser population but a good catchment area. Stoke and newc-under-lyme has a bigger population but also a great catchment area of towns and villages around. Newcastle is superb in how it has the stadium in the centre, a clearly defined city centre etc...all helps to mobilise support and identity. Stoke City should have its stadium in Hanley for me, it should have been where tesco is, we should have put in a rail link,it would have started a process where we have a clearly defined city centre, it would have done wonders for the local economy and given us a sustainable city centre. In my view, something like that takes the club to the next level. The potential is there, it's about vision.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 9:26:15 GMT
So basically what you're saying mick, is that you are right and everyone else is wrong. This is what I'm gleaning from your replies. P.S I never brought Everton up!
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Post by werrington on May 26, 2019 9:30:34 GMT
đ All very nice ideas, but non of them are likely to add 10k onto our gates are they? Considering we are a two club city of 260,000 people we do very well to get the crowds we do. Stoke on Trent and newcastle under Lyme is roughly 380k. I was in Newcastle upon Tyne and got speaking to a guy working for the city council there as it was a big shared office complex. Newcastle upon tyne has lesser population but a good catchment area. Stoke and newc-under-lyme has a bigger population but also a great catchment area of towns and villages around. Newcastle is superb in how it has the stadium in the centre, a clearly defined city centre etc...all helps to mobilise support and identity. Stoke City should have its stadium in Hanley for me, it should have been where tesco is, we should have put in a rail link,it would have started a process where we have a clearly defined city centre, it would have done wonders for the local economy and given us a sustainable city centre. In my view, something like that takes the club to the next level. The potential is there, it's about vision. 30 miles from one club city Newcastle upon Tyne is Sunderland and Middlesbrough and thatâs all they compete with until Leeds 90 miles away 30 miles in any direction from Stoke-on-Trent and well you see what I mean The scenarios are nothing alike
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Post by southcoaststokie on May 26, 2019 9:35:21 GMT
Only on the oatcake can you have a thread about a potential signing, and then have two whole pages , where the potential signing's name is not even mentioned,and has gone off in a totally different direction, has anybody actually got any news on Matt Clarke, as that is what I keep coming back to this thread for.
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Post by werrington on May 26, 2019 9:40:46 GMT
Only on the oatcake can you have a thread about a potential signing, and then have two whole pages , where the potential signing's name is not even mentioned,and has gone off in a totally different direction, has anybody actually got any news on Matt Clarke, as that is what I keep coming back to this thread for. Any news on Clarke?...no ...ok then That the oatcake you want?
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Post by southcoaststokie on May 26, 2019 9:56:39 GMT
Only on the oatcake can you have a thread about a potential signing, and then have two whole pages , where the potential signing's name is not even mentioned,and has gone off in a totally different direction, has anybody actually got any news on Matt Clarke, as that is what I keep coming back to this thread for. Any news on Clarke?...no ...ok then That the oatcake you want? No, if there is no news on Clarke, I would expect no news on a Matt Clarke thread, instead of being at the top of the forum, talking about something completely different, sorry I thought that the title of a thread gave you some idea what you were interested in or looking for and so you clicked it, that would be a good idea for a forum.
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Post by werrington on May 26, 2019 10:00:14 GMT
Any news on Clarke?...no ...ok then That the oatcake you want? No, if there is no news on Clarke, I would expect no news on a Matt Clarke thread, instead of being at the top of the forum, talking about something completely different, sorry I thought that the title of a thread gave you some idea what you were interested in or looking for and so you clicked it, that would be a good idea for a forum. I donât think youâve grasped how a forum works then
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Post by onefatcopper on May 26, 2019 10:08:39 GMT
Get real mate, that was like reading an extract from a Hands Christian Anderson fairytale. We were starting to fill 30k by the end of our time in the PL. An extra 10k isn't out of the question if you get a few things right. Namely the ground and the match day experience. Market it towards families and make it a family day out and give them what you market. Not a stadium on the hill that plainly doesn't want you there too early or too late. The student market is also very much untapped. Many prefer to watch it online these days. Surely there can be something done to tempt them out? What about a regular e sport zone for example? What about ex armed forces and current NHS staff? Could we do something there? What about a craft ale zone to tap into what has been a growing market for the last 5 years or so? Street food is also very popular now. Agains, could something be done down that road? I know for a fact there are a few starter companies around this area in that line of work. We have frozen ticket prices for years and that deserves huge credit, but so much more surrounding that can be done. The fact it's taken this long to get contactless payment and an improved ticket system speaks volumes. It wouldn't be overnight and it's a bit too late now until we get back but this should have been done around the time of the 9th place finishes, a better transfer recruitment and replacing Hughes when he needed replacing. Hope the Roald Dahl novel hasn't sent you to sleep.... đ How many times has the attendance crept over the 30,000 mark ? For season after season our highest attendance was for the FA Cup game against Everton ! Even for games which were critical for our Premier League survival, we couldnât fill the ground. Everything finds its natural level, and we have found ours, a former Premier League side who now finds itself in a League filled with former Premier League sides ! All clinging to their memories of what ifs, whenâs and whyâs. How can this club ever move forward if all we ever do is look backwards ?( like Iâve just done)
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Post by southcoaststokie on May 26, 2019 10:21:33 GMT
No, if there is no news on Clarke, I would expect no news on a Matt Clarke thread, instead of being at the top of the forum, talking about something completely different, sorry I thought that the title of a thread gave you some idea what you were interested in or looking for and so you clicked it, that would be a good idea for a forum. I donât think youâve grasped how a forum works then Sorry, I bow to your superior knowledge, as you have posted far more than me, but then again I am more of a watcher than a poster, and as I live outside of where I was born, I like to come onto the oatcake, most days to get information about my team, that usually means scrolling down the list of threads and finding the ones that interest me the most and clicking on them threads,I keep clicking the Saido thread as that interests me, guess what, it is about Saido Berahino,of course a thread can loose track a little, but 2 bloody pages on a Matt Clarke thread, without one mention of the guys name, I think he is a very good player, that can get a lot better, and would be a good signing, shame he is probably destined for the PL, but if there is no news on this topic, then let it slowly drift down the page until someone wants to contribute to the thread on Clarke, that is how a forum works Sir.
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