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Post by FullerMagic on May 25, 2019 15:51:43 GMT
Don't worry, these "no mark" clubs will be in a position like ours in the not too distant future. Unless you believe they're going to stay in the Premier League forever, which is obviously what you thought we were going to do. yep exactly right. I was expecting us to consolidate as an Everton type club .solid stable in the prem .top half finishes ,proper tilt at cups and then ...... AS someone said, relegation was a disaster. Last season however then took Stoke City to a completely new level of badly managed, incompetent, fuckwittery. To be fair, we were the longest serving club in the Premier League outside the top 7 at the time of our relegation - so longer than 84 of the pro clubs in the country. We're all 'no marks' these days apart from 6 or 7 clubs -and relegation is a bad season away for anyone. The ÂŁ50m spent last summer shows last season's disaster wasn't down to a lack of interest from the top - just horrifically bad signings from Rowett.
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Post by mickstupp on May 25, 2019 16:04:00 GMT
Don't worry, these "no mark" clubs will be in a position like ours in the not too distant future. Unless you believe they're going to stay in the Premier League forever, which is obviously what you thought we were going to do. yep exactly right. I was expecting us to consolidate as an Everton type club .solid stable in the prem .top half finishes ,proper tilt at cups,graduation to become a proper 'city club' and then ...... AS someone else said, relegation was a disaster. Last season however, then took Stoke City to a completely new level of badly managed,and owned incompetent, fuckwittery. STILL not enough blood on the boardroom carpet IMHO Leeds Aston Villa Wolves Derby Leicester WBA Sunderland Sheffield United Sheffield Wednesday Middlesbrough Portsmouth Southampton Norwich Ipswich All clubs that would see themselves as being bigger clubs with better histories than Stoke City. All with the same story to tell as us (relegated from the top league with a squad containing expensive failures). To suggest we could change 150 years of mediocrity to become “another Everton” is absolutely ridiculous. As the swathes of empty seats in the newly extended stadium have proved this season, we simply do not have the fan base to compete with most of the clubs I’ve listed above, never mind bloody Everton.
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Post by dreamtheater on May 25, 2019 16:15:35 GMT
Smalltown it is then ..A mentality of servile understanding along the lines of: 'we know our place zur ' Meanwhile, less than 3 years ago, we were talking about a worldwide recognised and renowned brand with world class players. People coming from all over the world, to fill the ground to the extent is was grudgingly extended.(and, what a drawn out fucking pantomine that was!!!). I am assuming you mick are happy with this - cos you expected it ? ??? Me I was actually hoping for better... much better
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Post by Davef on May 25, 2019 16:22:37 GMT
You're deluded Tony.
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Post by mickstupp on May 25, 2019 16:28:55 GMT
Smalltown it is then ..A mentality of servile understanding along the lines of: 'we know our place zur ' Meanwhile, less than 3 years ago, we were talking about a worldwide recognised and renowned brand with world class players. People coming from all over the world, to fill the ground to the extent is was grudgingly extended.(and, what a drawn out fucking pantomine that was!!!). I am assuming you mick are happy with this - cos you expected it ? ??? Me I was actually hoping for better... much better There you go again with your “small time” bullshit. You can’t argue with over a century of history. We are what we are, ups and downs, peaks and troughs, just like 95% of the football league. Am I happy with it? Not really, but our stay in the top league was always going to end at some stage, just like a host of bigger clubs I’ve already listed. The good news is we are very well backed by the owners and we may well get another spell in the Premier League sometime soon.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 25, 2019 16:34:11 GMT
Smalltown it is then ..A mentality of servile understanding along the lines of: 'we know our place zur ' Meanwhile, less than 3 years ago, we were talking about a worldwide recognised and renowned brand with world class players. People coming from all over the world, to fill the ground to the extent is was grudgingly extended.(and, what a drawn out fucking pantomine that was!!!). I am assuming you mick are happy with this - cos you expected it ? ??? Me I was actually hoping for better... much better But we were the most over-achieving club in the country for quite some time. Things went very wrong. We then spent an unprecedented, monumental amount trying to get back up at the first time of asking, while carrying a wage bill that will have been maybe the first or second largest ever carried at this level. It was a monumental failure - but all the failures were clearly down to the manager and his mistakes. He'd tried to sign McClean 6 months before (and went on to play him in a front 3 he'd never played in), tried to sign Clucas 6 months before that, had worked with Ince previously, and he chose Afobe ahead of Gayle on the advice of his first team coach - and then played him as a lone striker where he was ill-suited. Who exactly are you blaming?
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Post by dreamtheater on May 25, 2019 16:36:44 GMT
Mickstupp Sorry to insult you.I only saw the club progressing, getting bigger, stronger and being successful, something I was really hoping would happen a change of dynamic , new history made .It just required ambition, a good strategy and good management sadly we got none of that ....Sorry again if i insult.Iknow I sound patronising but our opinions differ because our aspirations differ even more. . I will leave it there.
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Post by mickstupp on May 25, 2019 16:40:08 GMT
Sorry to insult you .I only saw the club getting bigger, stronger and being successful something I was really hoping would happen .it just required ambition, a good strategy and good management sadly we got none of that ....sorry again if i insult our opinions differ beacause our aspirations differ even more. . I will leave it there. We had a brilliant ten years, but it was never going to last and it didn’t. Much in the same way as it won’t last for the current crop of over achievers like Bournemouth, Watford, Leicester and Wolves.
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Post by thevoid on May 25, 2019 18:52:31 GMT
yep exactly right. I was expecting us to consolidate as an Everton type club .solid stable in the prem .top half finishes ,proper tilt at cups,graduation to become a proper 'city club' and then ...... AS someone else said, relegation was a disaster. Last season however, then took Stoke City to a completely new level of badly managed,and owned incompetent, fuckwittery. STILL not enough blood on the boardroom carpet IMHO Leeds Aston Villa Wolves Derby Leicester WBA Sunderland Sheffield United Sheffield Wednesday Middlesbrough Portsmouth Southampton Norwich Ipswich All clubs that would see themselves as being bigger clubs with better histories than Stoke City. All with the same story to tell as us (relegated from the top league with a squad containing expensive failures). To suggest we could change 150 years of mediocrity to become “another Everton” is absolutely ridiculous. As the swathes of empty seats in the newly extended stadium have proved this season, we simply do not have the fan base to compete with most of the clubs I’ve listed above, never mind bloody Everton. Boro and Southampton have won the same as us- two clubs I'd put on a similar standing as ourselves.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 19:10:32 GMT
Yeah! And f'ing Wigan have won the F.A. Cup!
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Post by lordb on May 25, 2019 19:12:08 GMT
yep exactly right. I was expecting us to consolidate as an Everton type club .solid stable in the prem .top half finishes ,proper tilt at cups,graduation to become a proper 'city club' and then ...... AS someone else said, relegation was a disaster. Last season however, then took Stoke City to a completely new level of badly managed,and owned incompetent, fuckwittery. STILL not enough blood on the boardroom carpet IMHO Leeds Aston Villa Wolves Derby Leicester WBA Sunderland Sheffield United Sheffield Wednesday Middlesbrough Portsmouth Southampton Norwich Ipswich All clubs that would see themselves as being bigger clubs with better histories than Stoke City. All with the same story to tell as us (relegated from the top league with a squad containing expensive failures). To suggest we could change 150 years of mediocrity to become “another Everton” is absolutely ridiculous. As the swathes of empty seats in the newly extended stadium have proved this season, we simply do not have the fan base to compete with most of the clubs I’ve listed above, never mind bloody Everton. Please explain how Norwich and Middlesbrough have better histories. Portsmouth and Southampton? If you talking about football history as since the Premier League started then you have a case. Three of those clubs have played fourth division,we never have.
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Post by crapslinger on May 25, 2019 19:21:51 GMT
Sorry to insult you .I only saw the club getting bigger, stronger and being successful something I was really hoping would happen .it just required ambition, a good strategy and good management sadly we got none of that ....sorry again if i insult our opinions differ beacause our aspirations differ even more. . I will leave it there. We had a brilliant ten years, but it was never going to last and it didn’t. Much in the same way as it won’t last for the current crop of over achievers like Bournemouth, Watford, Leicester and Wolves. I agree to a certain extent we were massive favs. for relegation in our first season, Pulis worked miracles keeping us up and establishing us with a European adventure and our first ever FA Cup Final, it started going to shit after the final, got much worse when Scholes was appointed and started meddling with transfers and the nail in the coffin was the appointment of the ex Leek Town GK, Hughes started well three fourth placed finishes then started dismantling the Pulis ethic and players it went to rat shit, the senior management sat by twiddling their fucking thumbs as Mark and his team destroyed our PL status and fucked the club up whilst doing it. It wasn't so much that we were relegated it was the pathetic way we capitulated our seat at the top table, all this overseen by the board and Laurel and Hardy yet two managers on both failures they are still in place, can't people see the kink running through our demise ?
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Post by mickstupp on May 25, 2019 19:55:04 GMT
Leeds Aston Villa Wolves Derby Leicester WBA Sunderland Sheffield United Sheffield Wednesday Middlesbrough Portsmouth Southampton Norwich Ipswich All clubs that would see themselves as being bigger clubs with better histories than Stoke City. All with the same story to tell as us (relegated from the top league with a squad containing expensive failures). To suggest we could change 150 years of mediocrity to become “another Everton” is absolutely ridiculous. As the swathes of empty seats in the newly extended stadium have proved this season, we simply do not have the fan base to compete with most of the clubs I’ve listed above, never mind bloody Everton. Please explain how Norwich and Middlesbrough have better histories. Portsmouth and Southampton? If you talking about football history as since the Premier League started then you have a case. Three of those clubs have played fourth division,we never have. They wouldn’t see themselves as being smaller clubs than us.
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Post by mickstupp on May 25, 2019 19:57:15 GMT
Leeds Aston Villa Wolves Derby Leicester WBA Sunderland Sheffield United Sheffield Wednesday Middlesbrough Portsmouth Southampton Norwich Ipswich All clubs that would see themselves as being bigger clubs with better histories than Stoke City. All with the same story to tell as us (relegated from the top league with a squad containing expensive failures). To suggest we could change 150 years of mediocrity to become “another Everton” is absolutely ridiculous. As the swathes of empty seats in the newly extended stadium have proved this season, we simply do not have the fan base to compete with most of the clubs I’ve listed above, never mind bloody Everton. Boro and Southampton have won the same as us- two clubs I'd put on a similar standing as ourselves. Me too but they have won more than us and been to more domestic and European finals. Their supporters would see themselves as bigger than us
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Post by mickstupp on May 25, 2019 19:58:56 GMT
Yeah! And f'ing Wigan have won the F.A. Cup! Even more reason why it’s silly to see us as another Everton then isn’t it?
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 25, 2019 20:09:24 GMT
I am sorry, but there was nothing inevitable about our demise. Especially from where we were.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 20:11:42 GMT
One of the oldest clubs in the league have not won the F.A.Cup, but those pie eating twats have, plus I didn't say that we were equal, or ever will be to Everton. Our kid did! Coming from Warrington, I resent, resent the fact that they have one the one thing that I have wanted Stoke to win, for the biggest part of my life! If you read my posts on a regular basis you will know this! Smart arse!
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Post by werrington on May 25, 2019 20:14:05 GMT
One of the oldest clubs in the league have not won the F.A.Cup, but those pie eating twats have, plus I didn't say that we were equal, or ever will be to Everton. Our kid did! Coming from Warrington, I resent, resent the fact that they have one the one thing that I have wanted Stoke to win, for the biggest part of my life! If you read my posts on a regular basis you will know this! Smart arse! You pair are like the Mitchell brothers on here
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 25, 2019 20:21:13 GMT
I am sorry, but there was nothing inevitable about our demise. Especially from where we were. 100% agree , we shot ourselves in both feet with such bewildering and sustained incompetence it’s amazing We could pull the trigger .
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Post by mickstupp on May 25, 2019 20:23:51 GMT
I am sorry, but there was nothing inevitable about our demise. Especially from where we were. What’s so different about us though Tricky?
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Post by werrington on May 25, 2019 20:24:58 GMT
I am sorry, but there was nothing inevitable about our demise. Especially from where we were. 100% agree , we shot ourselves in both feet with such bewildering and sustained incompetence it’s amazing We could pull the trigger . Hold on a minute You were predicting gloom every single season even when we were going and playing superb football Are you now admitting you were talking bollocks all along as how could we shoot ourselves in the foot from the good position you never admitted existed?
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Post by Pugsley on May 25, 2019 20:29:59 GMT
yep exactly right. I was expecting us to consolidate as an Everton type club .solid stable in the prem .top half finishes ,proper tilt at cups,graduation to become a proper 'city club' and then ...... AS someone else said, relegation was a disaster. Last season however, then took Stoke City to a completely new level of badly managed,and owned incompetent, fuckwittery. STILL not enough blood on the boardroom carpet IMHO Leeds Aston Villa Wolves Derby Leicester WBA Sunderland Sheffield United Sheffield Wednesday Middlesbrough Portsmouth Southampton Norwich Ipswich All clubs that would see themselves as being bigger clubs with better histories than Stoke City. All with the same story to tell as us (relegated from the top league with a squad containing expensive failures). To suggest we could change 150 years of mediocrity to become “another Everton” is absolutely ridiculous. As the swathes of empty seats in the newly extended stadium have proved this season, we simply do not have the fan base to compete with most of the clubs I’ve listed above, never mind bloody Everton. As usual Stoke City fans love to know their place. This acceptance of mediocrity is pathetic. There is no reason why, with Billionaire owners, we could not have become a permanent fixture in the PL, not one. Arrogance, incompetence and downright bone-idleness have got us in this position. We have a fan base to fill a 35-40K stadium easily but it takes work, something the current owners are not prepared to do.
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 25, 2019 20:30:24 GMT
I am sorry, but there was nothing inevitable about our demise. Especially from where we were. What’s so different about us though Tricky? Nowt. I meant the drop from brilliant to shite was avoidable. The quickness of it. I don't think we have a divine right to be up there, I just don't buy that we couldn't still be in the Premier League with better planning.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 25, 2019 20:33:55 GMT
100% agree , we shot ourselves in both feet with such bewildering and sustained incompetence it’s amazing We could pull the trigger . Hold on a minute You were predicting gloom every single season even when we were going and playing superb football Are you now admitting you were talking bollocks all along as how could we shoot ourselves in the foot from the good position you never admitted existed? To be clear I’m saying that as I did at the time the summer in which we lost Arnie to a relegation rival , allowed Walters to leave replaced them with free transfers and banked £12m was a totally self inflicted equivalent of the roof blowing off the butler street stand with regards to previous years the decline was set a year before and as Pulis himself said in years previous to that the day we get complacent is the time we will get our arsed kicked
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Post by mickstupp on May 25, 2019 20:36:49 GMT
Leeds Aston Villa Wolves Derby Leicester WBA Sunderland Sheffield United Sheffield Wednesday Middlesbrough Portsmouth Southampton Norwich Ipswich All clubs that would see themselves as being bigger clubs with better histories than Stoke City. All with the same story to tell as us (relegated from the top league with a squad containing expensive failures). To suggest we could change 150 years of mediocrity to become “another Everton” is absolutely ridiculous. As the swathes of empty seats in the newly extended stadium have proved this season, we simply do not have the fan base to compete with most of the clubs I’ve listed above, never mind bloody Everton. As usual Stoke City fans love to know their place. This acceptance of mediocrity is pathetic. There is no reason why, with Billionaire owners, we could not have become a permanent fixture in the PL, not one. Arrogance, incompetence and downright bone-idleness have got us in this position. We have a fan base to fill a 35-40K stadium easily but it takes work, something the current owners are not prepared to do. Sorry Pugs, you’re talking shite. You can’t just change history. We are middle of the road and always have been.
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Post by mickstupp on May 25, 2019 20:38:43 GMT
Hold on a minute You were predicting gloom every single season even when we were going and playing superb football Are you now admitting you were talking bollocks all along as how could we shoot ourselves in the foot from the good position you never admitted existed? To be clear I’m saying that as I did at the time the summer in which we lost Arnie to a relegation rival , allowed Walters to leave replaced them with free transfers and banked £12m was a totally self inflicted equivalent of the roof blowing off the butler street stand with regards to previous years the decline was set a year before and as Pulis himself said in years previous to that the day we get complacent is the time we will get our arsed kicked You predicted relegation every season we were in the top flight. What year was that “gravity crocodile” thread you started?
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Post by werrington on May 25, 2019 20:39:23 GMT
Hold on a minute You were predicting gloom every single season even when we were going and playing superb football Are you now admitting you were talking bollocks all along as how could we shoot ourselves in the foot from the good position you never admitted existed? To be clear I’m saying that as I did at the time the summer in which we lost Arnie to a relegation rival , allowed Walters to leave replaced them with free transfers and banked £12m was a totally self inflicted equivalent of the roof blowing off the butler street stand with regards to previous years the decline was set a year before and as Pulis himself said in years previous to that the day we get complacent is the time we will get our arsed kicked Walters spent around 4 transfer windows wanting a pay rise or a transfer
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Post by Pugsley on May 25, 2019 20:39:28 GMT
As usual Stoke City fans love to know their place. This acceptance of mediocrity is pathetic. There is no reason why, with Billionaire owners, we could not have become a permanent fixture in the PL, not one. Arrogance, incompetence and downright bone-idleness have got us in this position. We have a fan base to fill a 35-40K stadium easily but it takes work, something the current owners are not prepared to do. Sorry Pugs, you’re talking shite. You can’t just change history. We are middle of the road and always have been. You can't change history but you can forge a new one. There is nothing middle of the road about the people running our club these days.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 20:41:34 GMT
To be clear I’m saying that as I did at the time the summer in which we lost Arnie to a relegation rival , allowed Walters to leave replaced them with free transfers and banked £12m was a totally self inflicted equivalent of the roof blowing off the butler street stand with regards to previous years the decline was set a year before and as Pulis himself said in years previous to that the day we get complacent is the time we will get our arsed kicked You predicted relegation every season we were in the top flight. What year was that “gravity crocodile” thread you started? He did indeed.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 25, 2019 20:44:47 GMT
To be clear I’m saying that as I did at the time the summer in which we lost Arnie to a relegation rival , allowed Walters to leave replaced them with free transfers and banked £12m was a totally self inflicted equivalent of the roof blowing off the butler street stand with regards to previous years the decline was set a year before and as Pulis himself said in years previous to that the day we get complacent is the time we will get our arsed kicked Walters spent around 4 transfer windows wanting a pay rise or a transfer What do you expect he’s entitled to challenge fur the best deal he can
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