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Post by johnnysoul60 on May 28, 2019 9:59:21 GMT
Maguire rated at £90 million. He was Hughes' first choice target when we signed Wollschied (I think). Football isn't fair sometimes. We wanted Maguire and Robertson from Hull two summers ago. Both were in the building, poised to sign, and both deals fell through. We ended up with Wimmer and Josh Tymon! Timing and trying to get promising players in under the radar is vital these days , we often seem to slow to make a decisive move looking at Villa getting McGinn for 2m was genius and the loans for Abraham and Mings not far behind add in the likes of Hourihane who they picked up from Barnsley and they have moved from a situation where their recruitment was as bad as ours to getting it right .
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 28, 2019 10:15:27 GMT
You could be seeing getting Nick Powell in a similar way. I agree on loans though. A couple of judicious ones could make the difference and, if we get promoted, there's no reason why those loan players couldn't be part of the future as I think Mings and Abraham will probably stay with Villa.
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Post by berahinosgoals on May 28, 2019 10:39:37 GMT
What's happened with the lad from Aberdeen? I said it in January when we were busy buying a 29 year old vokes for 9 million great British pounds that come the summer we will struggle to get Clarke & McKenna as more suitors will be looking for players, we should have got one of them in in Jan and got vokes in this summer for less money. Luckily collins has appeared on the scene & batth looks a decent signing. Would still like to see bmi move on though and another come in
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Post by gaznandi on May 28, 2019 14:55:44 GMT
Transfer News Live @livetransfernew Following Following @livetransfernew More Matt Clarke has undergone a medical with Brighton this afternoon. The defender is set to sign within the next 24 hours. #BHAFC #Pompey
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Post by lordb on May 28, 2019 15:12:07 GMT
What's happened with the lad from Aberdeen? I said it in January when we were busy buying a 29 year old vokes for 9 million great British pounds that come the summer we will struggle to get Clarke & McKenna as more suitors will be looking for players, we should have got one of them in in Jan and got vokes in this summer for less money. Luckily collins has appeared on the scene & batth looks a decent signing. Would still like to see bmi move on though and another come in Not having a go but why would Vokes have been cheaper in the summer? Don't forget part of the deal was Crouch (& his big wages) going the other way. Deal made sense however Vokes fitness has been obvious (looking for him to be ready for August). I think the money was there in January to sign Vokes and McKenna or Clarke.
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Post by kelw on May 28, 2019 15:28:40 GMT
I said it in January when we were busy buying a 29 year old vokes for 9 million great British pounds that come the summer we will struggle to get Clarke & McKenna as more suitors will be looking for players, we should have got one of them in in Jan and got vokes in this summer for less money. Luckily collins has appeared on the scene & batth looks a decent signing. Would still like to see bmi move on though and another come in Not having a go but why would Vokes have been cheaper in the summer? Don't forget part of the deal was Crouch (& his big wages) going the other way. Deal made sense however Vokes fitness has been obvious (looking for him to be ready for August). I think the money was there in January to sign Vokes and McKenna or Clarke. For sure, Vokes irrelevant for me Clarke seems a decent enough player but staying on the S Coast and going to the Prem. Are other players
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Post by berahinosgoals on May 28, 2019 15:44:58 GMT
I said it in January when we were busy buying a 29 year old vokes for 9 million great British pounds that come the summer we will struggle to get Clarke & McKenna as more suitors will be looking for players, we should have got one of them in in Jan and got vokes in this summer for less money. Luckily collins has appeared on the scene & batth looks a decent signing. Would still like to see bmi move on though and another come in Not having a go but why would Vokes have been cheaper in the summer? Don't forget part of the deal was Crouch (& his big wages) going the other way. Deal made sense however Vokes fitness has been obvious (looking for him to be ready for August). I think the money was there in January to sign Vokes and McKenna or Clarke. Nothing factual, it's the assumption that less people would be in for vokes than clarke or mckenna because of his age & wage and Burnley maybe more inclined to do a deal in the summer as they have time to find a suitable replacement, leaving us room to lever a better deal on the player. Crouch wasn't so much a makeweight in the deal was he? It seemed he was a 'make do' player for them to enable the deal to get done as they hadnt the time to find a suitable replacement, all they did was take his contract on until this summer. They didn't want to sell vokes at that particular time if I remember right bbecause of their precarious league position
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Post by FullerMagic on May 28, 2019 15:50:44 GMT
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on May 28, 2019 16:01:30 GMT
Good. Why not just forget Centre half for the time being, stick with batth, Shawcross, with Collins as backup, with souttar also. There are far more pressing positions!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 16:04:48 GMT
Good on Potter. Taking a player from League One to the Premier League.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 28, 2019 16:56:36 GMT
Patrick Bauer, Charlton. £3m He's out of contract at the end of this season.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 28, 2019 16:57:19 GMT
Good. Why not just forget Centre half for the time being, stick with batth, Shawcross, with Collins as backup, with souttar also. There are far more pressing positions!!! I'm sure more than one signing can be done at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 16:58:33 GMT
Patrick Bauer, Charlton. £3m He's out of contract at the end of this season. Even better, we watched him under Rowett 100%.....
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Post by clarkeda on May 28, 2019 17:06:25 GMT
He's out of contract at the end of this season. Even better, we watched him under Rowett 100%..... The ‘spend money’ brigade won’t like this. Although I’d be happy enough with him.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 28, 2019 17:16:52 GMT
Good. Why not just forget Centre half for the time being, stick with batth, Shawcross, with Collins as backup, with souttar also. There are far more pressing positions!!! Batth is fine. Shawcross regained some form at the end of the season but was a liability early on - there's every chance his form could dip again. Collins looks very decent and I'd start with him but he could easily drop out of form as he learns his trade. I've not seen anything from Souttar to suggest he can make it at the is level. It would be a big risk to go into the season with those 4 - and the reason our midfield didn't create last year was because they were spending most of their time shoring up a dodgy defence, We need a left back and centre half as a matter of priority - throwing money at midfielders and strikers while we haven't sorted out the defence is a waste of money. Rowett recognised that last season, missed out on the signings he needed and ended up bringing in a couple of loans at the last minute. To make the same mistake twice would be inexcusable.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on May 28, 2019 17:24:16 GMT
Good. Why not just forget Centre half for the time being, stick with batth, Shawcross, with Collins as backup, with souttar also. There are far more pressing positions!!! Batth is fine. Shawcross regained some form at the end of the season but was a liability early on - there's every chance his form could dip again. Collins looks very decent and I'd start with him but he could easily drop out of form as he learns his trade. I've not seen anything from Souttar to suggest he can make it at the is level. It would be a big risk to go into the season with those 4 - and the reason our midfield didn't create last year was because they were spending most of their time shoring up a dodgy defence, We need a left back and centre half as a matter of priority - throwing money at midfielders and strikers while we haven't sorted out the defence is a waste of money. Rowett recognised that last season, missed out on the signings he needed and ended up bringing in a couple of loans at the last minute. To make the same mistake twice would be inexcusable. Our major issue is creating chances. Our defence seems the least of our worries. It would be nice if we could add some bloody pace into the squad as well.
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Post by jezzascfc on May 28, 2019 17:52:10 GMT
If we keep Bruno, I would start him with Batth, with Collins as back up (again, if he stays). Ryan is a tough call - his back will always trouble him now, and his best days are behind him, but he has a talismanic quality and the right character, which may prove worth keeping around over the coming season (but not beyond).
With those four, do we really need a new central defender? Certainly not more than we need a new left back, holding midfielder, number 10 and pacey striker, and presumably keeper (as Jack looks to be going). For me, Davies, Justin (long shot now, I guess), Ajayi, Powell and Gregory would do the job, with maybe one livewire forward to come, and a replacement for Allen, if he goes too.
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Post by thevoid on May 28, 2019 18:13:09 GMT
Good. Why not just forget Centre half for the time being, stick with batth, Shawcross, with Collins as backup, with souttar also. There are far more pressing positions!!! I'm sure more than one signing can be done at the same time. At Stoke?! We've only got so many messenger pigeons.
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Post by hyaduck on May 29, 2019 1:34:07 GMT
We need pace and a good ball player, Shawcross is neither.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 29, 2019 17:57:39 GMT
Batth is fine. Shawcross regained some form at the end of the season but was a liability early on - there's every chance his form could dip again. Collins looks very decent and I'd start with him but he could easily drop out of form as he learns his trade. I've not seen anything from Souttar to suggest he can make it at the is level. It would be a big risk to go into the season with those 4 - and the reason our midfield didn't create last year was because they were spending most of their time shoring up a dodgy defence, We need a left back and centre half as a matter of priority - throwing money at midfielders and strikers while we haven't sorted out the defence is a waste of money. Rowett recognised that last season, missed out on the signings he needed and ended up bringing in a couple of loans at the last minute. To make the same mistake twice would be inexcusable. Our major issue is creating chances. Our defence seems the least of our worries. It would be nice if we could add some bloody pace into the squad as well. We'll create more chances when the midfield have sufficient confidence in the defence to take more risks going forward. Assuming BMI leaves if we are prepared to risk 4 I'd be looking at Batth and Collins as first choice, A N Other as first reserve, Shawcross as the safety net and Souttar out on loan to avoid doing anything as daft as actually playing him. I agree re pace but that isn't compromised by strengthening at the back. Having said that the really key position is the base of the diamond - that will make or break our season.
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Post by neddy on May 29, 2019 18:19:50 GMT
Our major issue is creating chances. Our defence seems the least of our worries. It would be nice if we could add some bloody pace into the squad as well. We'll create more chances when the midfield have sufficient confidence in the defence to take more risks going forward. Assuming BMI leaves if we are prepared to risk 4 I'd be looking at Batth and Collins as first choice, A N Other as first reserve, Shawcross as the safety net and Souttar out on loan to avoid doing anything as daft as actually playing him. I agree re pace but that isn't compromised by strengthening at the back. Having said that the really key position is the base of the diamond - that will make or break our season. I agree with that but am nervous that Collins is ready.....if it didn’t work we need cover?
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Post by FullerMagic on May 30, 2019 12:52:52 GMT
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Post by baystokie on May 30, 2019 14:16:31 GMT
Our major issue is creating chances. Our defence seems the least of our worries. It would be nice if we could add some bloody pace into the squad as well. We'll create more chances when the midfield have sufficient confidence in the defence to take more risks going forward. Assuming BMI leaves if we are prepared to risk 4 I'd be looking at Batth and Collins as first choice, A N Other as first reserve, Shawcross as the safety net and Souttar out on loan to avoid doing anything as daft as actually playing him. I agree re pace but that isn't compromised by strengthening at the back. Having said that the really key position is the base of the diamond - that will make or break our season. Souttar has probably not been seen by any of us since he left for Fleetwood. He seemed to do well there and Barton seemed satisfied with his performance. I know Australia aren't exactly overloaded with class players but their boss must have seen something worth selecting him for. 'Anything as daft as playing him' and doubting his ability to play at our level' don't seem to be based on current level of ability and form. There seems to be a groundswell of opinion re Collins (and well done to the lad for stepping up) but he hasn't had the exposure that Souttar has had since he left on loan. Collins needs to be tested in the hurly burly of a number of games before we attibute to him the mantle of the next Messiah!
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 30, 2019 17:21:59 GMT
We'll create more chances when the midfield have sufficient confidence in the defence to take more risks going forward. Assuming BMI leaves if we are prepared to risk 4 I'd be looking at Batth and Collins as first choice, A N Other as first reserve, Shawcross as the safety net and Souttar out on loan to avoid doing anything as daft as actually playing him. I agree re pace but that isn't compromised by strengthening at the back. Having said that the really key position is the base of the diamond - that will make or break our season. Souttar has probably not been seen by any of us since he left for Fleetwood. He seemed to do well there and Barton seemed satisfied with his performance. I know Australia aren't exactly overloaded with class players but their boss must have seen something worth selecting him for. 'Anything as daft as playing him' and doubting his ability to play at our level' don't seem to be based on current level of ability and form. There seems to be a groundswell of opinion re Collins (and well done to the lad for stepping up) but he hasn't had the exposure that Souttar has had since he left on loan. Collins needs to be tested in the hurly burly of a number of games before we attibute to him the mantle of the next Messiah! I'm not saying he's the Messiah - in fact I've been arguing we need a proven first team ready centre half to provide backup if Collin struggles or Batth get injured. I think BMI is off, Souttar isn't good enough at this level and Shawcross is coming to the end of career and his fitness and form can no longer be relied up. It's others who are suggesting that a 4 compromising Batth, Collins, Shawcross and Souttar is fine. I really don't think it is. I also think a big reason we didn't create much is because the midfield had to over compensate for a flaky defence. Strengthening the defence will allow the midfield more freedom to support the strikers. If we free up the midfield without strengthening we'll expose the defence and we'll leak goals - which is what kept happening last season. To be fair on Rowett he identified the problem and tried to get defenders in - the problem was he recognised the problem too late and ended up relying on last minute loans. It would be mad to be complacent yet again and end up repeating the same mistake as last season.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 30, 2019 17:28:21 GMT
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Post by liathroid on Jun 18, 2019 13:47:21 GMT
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Post by kelw on Jun 19, 2019 21:15:15 GMT
Been weeks now. I thought other clubs got deals done overnight and these drawn out transfers were 'only at Stoke'
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Post by lordb on Jun 19, 2019 21:16:39 GMT
Been weeks now. I thought other clubs got deals done overnight and these drawn out transfers were 'only at Stoke' Drawn out everywhere because agents wait for the best deal/other offers Solution: radically shorter transfer window.
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Post by Han Solo on Jun 19, 2019 21:18:59 GMT
Didn’t we offer more last season
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Post by kelw on Jun 19, 2019 21:20:52 GMT
Been weeks now. I thought other clubs got deals done overnight and these drawn out transfers were 'only at Stoke' Drawn out everywhere because agents wait for the best deal/other offers Solution: radically shorter transfer window. Of course. Was referring to the transfer experts on here
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