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Post by terryconroysmagic on May 17, 2019 20:46:15 GMT
I didn’t say he was bad I said is he better than what we have. I can’t understand why people are saying he should come in and start over Ryan. I completely agree that Ryan will play a lesser role over time but i can’t see why you’d break up the partnership developing with him and Batth now and bring someone in to start. And if we have Ryan, Batth and Bruno why not let one of the younger ones we have make up the fourth place and see how they get on when given an opportunity. We spent a fortune last summer on players that weren’t better than what we had. Yes and I understand that we spent money last summer and didn’t improve the squad - all apart from etebo probably. But Clarke is certainly at level Ryan is now defensively and also far better on the ball than Ryan has ever been And he is early twenties.We need to be pro-active in our replacements for Ryan Shawcross, he is a legend and should be able to retire at the club but he isn’t the answer long term unfortunately. Not sure I’d be spending big money when we have someone with the quality of Collins in the squad. He looks easily capable of making the step up
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Post by bolders on May 17, 2019 21:35:39 GMT
I’d only keep McClean as a squad player, to bring off the bench but if we could get money for him and replace with better then we should. Lucas is a definite starter no matter what we think Who’s Lucas? sorry was on phone predictive txt didnt proof read it meant Clucas
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Post by LankyPotter on May 17, 2019 21:36:58 GMT
He can step out of defence with the ball and play forward passes, he drives forward with the ball committing midfielders and defenders. Not one of our CB’s do that currently - apart from the odd time ryan fumbles his way forward. And I’ve seen him play 25 times so even the club could vouch for my scouting 25 times? I take it you live down there then? Was taking the piss out of our recruitment method with that tbh, what ive seen of him has been on the tv. We won’t be disappointed or feellike it was a waste of money if we get Clarke though.
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Post by LankyPotter on May 17, 2019 21:40:23 GMT
Yes and I understand that we spent money last summer and didn’t improve the squad - all apart from etebo probably. But Clarke is certainly at level Ryan is now defensively and also far better on the ball than Ryan has ever been And he is early twenties.We need to be pro-active in our replacements for Ryan Shawcross, he is a legend and should be able to retire at the club but he isn’t the answer long term unfortunately. Not sure I’d be spending big money when we have someone with the quality of Collins in the squad. He looks easily capable of making the step up Big ask for a 17/18 year old though mate. I have been very impressed with collins, he will undoubtedly play regularly for us in the future but if we were to get Clarke and pair him with Batth for the upcoming season and loan Collins out to get him used to playing week in week out in a man’s environment it will benefit us greater long-term. Clarke and Collins should be the two centre halves that we should be looking at down the line.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on May 17, 2019 21:47:06 GMT
Not sure I’d be spending big money when we have someone with the quality of Collins in the squad. He looks easily capable of making the step up Big ask for a 17/18 year old though mate. I have been very impressed with collins, he will undoubtedly play regularly for us in the future but if we were to get Clarke and pair him with Batth for the upcoming season and loan Collins out to get him used to playing week in week out in a man’s environment it will benefit us greater long-term. Clarke and Collins should be the two centre halves that we should be looking at down the line. Fair enough but he easily looks like a championship capable defender to me, hope we don’t loan him out and hope he’s gets a run of games. This lad could be a star
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Post by thehoof on May 18, 2019 13:15:39 GMT
25 times? I take it you live down there then? Was taking the piss out of our recruitment method with that tbh, what ive seen of him has been on the tv. We won’t be disappointed or feellike it was a waste of money if we get Clarke though. Fair enough!
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Post by FullerMagic on May 19, 2019 13:48:50 GMT
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Post by themistocles on May 19, 2019 14:06:46 GMT
Just keep Collins...
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Post by FullerMagic on May 24, 2019 16:10:00 GMT
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Post by franklin66 on May 24, 2019 16:23:16 GMT
Big ask for a 17/18 year old though mate. I have been very impressed with collins, he will undoubtedly play regularly for us in the future but if we were to get Clarke and pair him with Batth for the upcoming season and loan Collins out to get him used to playing week in week out in a man’s environment it will benefit us greater long-term. Clarke and Collins should be the two centre halves that we should be looking at down the line. Fair enough but he easily looks like a championship capable defender to me, hope we don’t loan him out and hope he’s gets a run of games. This lad could be a star If he's good enough he's old enough.
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Post by DC1863 on May 24, 2019 16:24:19 GMT
Premier league club, closer to home, probably more money, they're probably a more attractive prospect for him.
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Post by zerps on May 24, 2019 16:30:46 GMT
Is he actually answering those question? 😆
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Post by Han Solo on May 24, 2019 16:31:20 GMT
Big shame that the PL clubs are fishing in the third tier pond. Even more reason for us to keep Collins. Have Brighton got a new manager yet?
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Post by northernstokie on May 24, 2019 16:32:57 GMT
Big shame that the PL clubs are fishing in the third tier pond. Even more reason for us to keep Collins. Have Brighton got a new manager yet? Yeah potter
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Post by chuckrocky on May 24, 2019 16:45:18 GMT
Never understood how there can be a front-runner if no one has made a bid?
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Post by thevoid on May 24, 2019 16:49:48 GMT
Premier league club, closer to home, probably more money, they're probably a more attractive prospect for him. It's pretty galling being a division below clubs like Brighton and Bournemouth, any other time we'd blow teams like this out of the water.
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Post by dreamtheater on May 24, 2019 17:10:16 GMT
Being out competed by clubs which to my eyes are complete and utter 'no marks' is just another example of what a total and utter
fucking disaster relegation was and remains
So, by observation of some rhetoric on here, It still hasn't dawned on some folk yet
and again, some of those culpable, remain at the club ( my biggest beef)
go figure
oh PS
By simple numbers, income has been more than halved too -
So what power in the transfer market comes next ? with money haemorrhaging out of the club on an already enlarged squad now featuring a few more complete and utter fucking wasters too ?
( Ince, Maclean, Afobe, Clucas - woods ???)
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 17:15:20 GMT
Being out competed by clubs which to my eyes are complete and utter 'no marks' is just another example of what a total and utter fucking disaster relegation was and remains by observation of some rhetoric on here, It still hasn't dawned on some folk yet and again, some of those culpable, remain at the club go figure Any club that gets into and stays in the prem is not a no-mark club. Clubs like Stoke, Derby, West Brom etc can't compete with Bournemouth or Brighton unless we ourselves get up. Hence we will be losing our keeper to Bournemouth this summer. Yes, premier league status is everything these days. Being there for ten years and fucking it up like we did, then fucking up our first season in the championship when we should have got back first time, was a disaster
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Post by dreamtheater on May 24, 2019 17:19:10 GMT
I can only agree - we aren't that far apart in our feelings
more blood on the carpet needed -- seriously !
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Post by kelw on May 24, 2019 19:36:09 GMT
Being out competed by clubs which to my eyes are complete and utter 'no marks' is just another example of what a total and utter fucking disaster relegation was and remains by observation of some rhetoric on here, It still hasn't dawned on some folk yet and again, some of those culpable, remain at the club go figure Any club that gets into and stays in the prem is not a no-mark club. Clubs like Stoke, Derby, West Brom etc can't compete with Bournemouth or Brighton unless we ourselves get up. Hence we will be losing our keeper to Bournemouth this summer. Yes, premier league status is everything these days. Being there for ten years and fucking it up like we did, then fucking up our first season in the championship when we should have got back first time, was a disaster You're assuming Butland is going to Bournemouth if you believe the tabloids etc, will wait until it happens personally. Agree with the rest but if we miss this one then we move on, not the end of we miss out on him
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 10:27:42 GMT
Being out competed by clubs which to my eyes are complete and utter 'no marks' is just another example of what a total and utter fucking disaster relegation was and remains So, by observation of some rhetoric on here, It still hasn't dawned on some folk yet and again, some of those culpable, remain at the club ( my biggest beef) go figure oh PS By simple numbers, income has been more than halved too - So what power in the transfer market comes next ? with money haemorrhaging out of the club on an already enlarged squad now featuring a few more complete and utter fucking wasters too ? ( Ince, Maclean, Afobe, Clucas - woods ???) What makes them any more of a no mark than us? Our history and trophy cabinet is embarrassing.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 25, 2019 10:32:52 GMT
Is that how they really talk down there, Oooh arr, ooh arr me hearties, they be keen indeed!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 10:41:42 GMT
I think if the Brighton interest is genuine then this is one to be chalked off the list. The lad is 22 and the right age to go and test himself. Good luck to him if he goes there. Stoke aside, it's always good to see young British lads get their chance as high as possible.
Well done to Potter too if he takes a chance on him in his first job at the highest level of the game here.
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Post by Davef on May 25, 2019 10:51:00 GMT
Being out competed by clubs which to my eyes are complete and utter 'no marks' is just another example of what a total and utter fucking disaster relegation was and remains So, by observation of some rhetoric on here, It still hasn't dawned on some folk yet and again, some of those culpable, remain at the club ( my biggest beef) go figure oh PS By simple numbers, income has been more than halved too - So what power in the transfer market comes next ? with money haemorrhaging out of the club on an already enlarged squad now featuring a few more complete and utter fucking wasters too ? ( Ince, Maclean, Afobe, Clucas - woods ???) Don't worry, these "no mark" clubs will be in a position like ours in the not too distant future. Unless you believe they're going to stay in the Premier League forever, which is obviously what you thought we were going to do.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 11:33:41 GMT
Being out competed by clubs which to my eyes are complete and utter 'no marks' is just another example of what a total and utter fucking disaster relegation was and remains So, by observation of some rhetoric on here, It still hasn't dawned on some folk yet and again, some of those culpable, remain at the club ( my biggest beef) go figure oh PS By simple numbers, income has been more than halved too - So what power in the transfer market comes next ? with money haemorrhaging out of the club on an already enlarged squad now featuring a few more complete and utter fucking wasters too ? ( Ince, Maclean, Afobe, Clucas - woods ???) What makes them any more of a no mark than us? Our history and trophy cabinet is embarrassing. Maybe look into the history of our club then. It certainly is not embarrassing. The trophy cabinet maybe is embarrassing but when you read about the history of our club you should be proud.
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Post by thehoof on May 25, 2019 11:39:05 GMT
What makes them any more of a no mark than us? Our history and trophy cabinet is embarrassing. Maybe look into the history of our club then. It certainly is not embarrassing. The trophy cabinet maybe is embarrassing but when you read about the history of our club you should be proud. History is bunk!😡
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Post by Turkish Delight on May 25, 2019 15:28:44 GMT
Big ask for a 17/18 year old though mate. I have been very impressed with collins, he will undoubtedly play regularly for us in the future but if we were to get Clarke and pair him with Batth for the upcoming season and loan Collins out to get him used to playing week in week out in a man’s environment it will benefit us greater long-term. Clarke and Collins should be the two centre halves that we should be looking at down the line. Fair enough but he easily looks like a championship capable defender to me, hope we don’t loan him out and hope he’s gets a run of games. This lad could be a star What are you baseing this on? 20 minutes against Swansea or have you watched him all season in the under 18/23s?
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 25, 2019 15:31:38 GMT
I think if the Brighton interest is genuine then this is one to be chalked off the list. The lad is 22 and the right age to go and test himself. Good luck to him if he goes there. Stoke aside, it's always good to see young British lads get their chance as high as possible. Well done to Potter too if he takes a chance on him in his first job at the highest level of the game here.
We know, you adore Potter
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Post by dreamtheater on May 25, 2019 15:44:44 GMT
Being out competed by clubs which to my eyes are complete and utter 'no marks' is just another example of what a total and utter fucking disaster relegation was and remains So, by observation of some rhetoric on here, It still hasn't dawned on some folk yet and again, some of those culpable, remain at the club ( my biggest beef) go figure oh PS By simple numbers, income has been more than halved too - So what power in the transfer market comes next ? with money haemorrhaging out of the club on an already enlarged squad now featuring a few more complete and utter fucking wasters too ? ( Ince, Maclean, Afobe, Clucas - woods ???) Don't worry, these "no mark" clubs will be in a position like ours in the not too distant future. Unless you believe they're going to stay in the Premier League forever, which is obviously what you thought we were going to do. yep exactly right. I was expecting us to consolidate as an Everton type club .solid stable in the prem .top half finishes ,proper tilt at cups,graduation to become a proper 'city club' and then ...... AS someone else said, relegation was a disaster. Last season however, then took Stoke City to a completely new level of badly managed,and owned incompetent, fuckwittery. STILL not enough blood on the boardroom carpet IMHO
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 15:45:00 GMT
I think if the Brighton interest is genuine then this is one to be chalked off the list. The lad is 22 and the right age to go and test himself. Good luck to him if he goes there. Stoke aside, it's always good to see young British lads get their chance as high as possible. Well done to Potter too if he takes a chance on him in his first job at the highest level of the game here.
We know, you adore Potter He's a good manager mate. In another life we could have had Potter in the dugout and Philip Billing marauding round the midfield last January. Instead we had Lambert kissing his guns and Fletcher crawling around midfield.
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