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Post by bolders on May 17, 2019 10:29:08 GMT
Need someone more hard working than Ince in that midfield diamond he goes missing for most of the match.
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Post by LankyPotter on May 17, 2019 10:30:50 GMT
Very unfair to say he had a bad game last night. He was probably the best player on the pitch. Would be a very good signing and id keep Ryan at the club but he should be faded out of the XI gradually from now I didn’t say he was bad I said is he better than what we have. I can’t understand why people are saying he should come in and start over Ryan. I completely agree that Ryan will play a lesser role over time but i can’t see why you’d break up the partnership developing with him and Batth now and bring someone in to start. And if we have Ryan, Batth and Bruno why not let one of the younger ones we have make up the fourth place and see how they get on when given an opportunity. We spent a fortune last summer on players that weren’t better than what we had. Yes and I understand that we spent money last summer and didn’t improve the squad - all apart from etebo probably. But Clarke is certainly at level Ryan is now defensively and also far better on the ball than Ryan has ever been And he is early twenties.We need to be pro-active in our replacements for Ryan Shawcross, he is a legend and should be able to retire at the club but he isn’t the answer long term unfortunately.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on May 17, 2019 10:31:05 GMT
He’s clearly decent player but I’m not sure about his ability on the ball. Very Shawcross like (not a bad thing) and Batth. Think we need more vision from a centre back. Then again what do I know, just an opinion 🤭
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Post by neilb987 on May 17, 2019 10:33:23 GMT
Need someone more hard working than Ince in that midfield diamond he goes missing for most of the match. - and I cant really see Badou as a Number 10 either, even if he does get motivated, or Etebo as the base of the diamond. Both Badou and Etebo are box-to-box midfielders.
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 17, 2019 10:37:41 GMT
It's possible that Collins will turn out to be the gem we all think he is, but it's unlikely an 18 year old would be a starting centre back in the Championship. Give him a season more on loan and let's see how he is then, but it's exciting. You don’t know unless you try. Look at how Edwards has come along this year. He got his chance and he took it. Assuming Ryan, Batth and Bruno are all around would he not be a sufficient fourth choice and should we really be bringing someone in who will force him out? Although it was only one game it looked promising. It would have been better, in my opinion, to give him a few more chances to see how he got on but he didn’t get them for whatever reason. Edwards had a few years on Collins though when he broke into the team under Hughes. Is there any other Championship team that plays a centre back as young as Collins? Just asking...I don't know the answer myself.
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Post by LankyPotter on May 17, 2019 10:38:24 GMT
He’s clearly decent player but I’m not sure about his ability on the ball. Very Shawcross like (not a bad thing) and Batth. Think we need more vision from a centre back. Then again what do I know, just an opinion 🤭 He is tidy on the ball fella and has the confidence to bring the ball down when its needed.
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Post by nott1 on May 17, 2019 10:39:11 GMT
Very unfair to say he had a bad game last night. He was probably the best player on the pitch. Would be a very good signing and id keep Ryan at the club but he should be faded out of the XI gradually from now I didn’t say he was bad I said is he better than what we have. I can’t understand why people are saying he should come in and start over Ryan. I completely agree that Ryan will play a lesser role over time but i can’t see why you’d break up the partnership developing with him and Batth now and bring someone in to start. And if we have Ryan, Batth and Bruno why not let one of the younger ones we have make up the fourth place and see how they get on when given an opportunity. We spent a fortune last summer on players that weren’t better than what we had. We have far more problems up front with the abysmal lack of fire power!
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 17, 2019 10:40:25 GMT
You don’t know unless you try. Look at how Edwards has come along this year. He got his chance and he took it. Assuming Ryan, Batth and Bruno are all around would he not be a sufficient fourth choice and should we really be bringing someone in who will force him out? Although it was only one game it looked promising. It would have been better, in my opinion, to give him a few more chances to see how he got on but he didn’t get them for whatever reason. Edwards had a few years on Collins though when he broke into the team under Hughes. Is there any other Championship team that plays a centre back as young as Collins? Just asking...I don't know the answer myself. Not as young as Collins at least not regularly, there’s a decent list in the 19-21 range though. Tomori for instance has been absolutely superb this year.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 17, 2019 10:41:26 GMT
Has this player been identified as someone who can not only play in this league but higher?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 10:42:07 GMT
You don’t know unless you try. Look at how Edwards has come along this year. He got his chance and he took it. Assuming Ryan, Batth and Bruno are all around would he not be a sufficient fourth choice and should we really be bringing someone in who will force him out? Although it was only one game it looked promising. It would have been better, in my opinion, to give him a few more chances to see how he got on but he didn’t get them for whatever reason. Edwards had a few years on Collins though when he broke into the team under Hughes. Is there any other Championship team that plays a centre back as young as Collins? Just asking...I don't know the answer myself. Edwards played in 6 games relegation season did he not? But not before that? I don’t know the answer to your question but I imagine there must be teams where their forth Choi for any position is of a similar age. As I said it would have been better if we’d seen him play a bit more it for whatever reason he didn’t get the chance. I just can’t see how this guy is better than what we have nor why we aren’t focusing on giving our own youngster the opportunity given the time and money we have put into them.
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Post by lordb on May 17, 2019 10:42:29 GMT
You don’t know unless you try. Look at how Edwards has come along this year. He got his chance and he took it. Assuming Ryan, Batth and Bruno are all around would he not be a sufficient fourth choice and should we really be bringing someone in who will force him out? Although it was only one game it looked promising. It would have been better, in my opinion, to give him a few more chances to see how he got on but he didn’t get them for whatever reason. Edwards had a few years on Collins though when he broke into the team under Hughes. Is there any other Championship team that plays a centre back as young as Collins? Just asking...I don't know the answer myself. Normally no Shawcross was a teenager of course in the promotion season Collins is a gem. Season long loan in League one wouldn't be a bad thing If we don't sign a centre back keep him here Ryan,Bruno, Baath with one of Souttar or Collins (with the other loaned out) would work, they would all get games, 50+ games potentially However if we do sign a very back then loan both out Obviously Bruno might move on?
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 17, 2019 10:43:56 GMT
He won't really get much game time as fourth choice. A season loan is the best for his development.
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 17, 2019 10:47:22 GMT
Edwards had a few years on Collins though when he broke into the team under Hughes. Is there any other Championship team that plays a centre back as young as Collins? Just asking...I don't know the answer myself. Not as young as Collins at least not regularly, there’s a decent list in the 19-21 range though. Tomori for instance has been absolutely superb this year. Tomori is excellent...but he's 21 and 22 in December. Collins has just turned 18. I can't see why he couldn't go and get game time elsewhere and come back to us...having signed a massive contract extension.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on May 17, 2019 10:54:47 GMT
He’s clearly decent player but I’m not sure about his ability on the ball. Very Shawcross like (not a bad thing) and Batth. Think we need more vision from a centre back. Then again what do I know, just an opinion 🤭
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Post by rawli on May 17, 2019 11:01:44 GMT
Ryan was much better towards the end of the season. However, he is always liable to break down so I don't think we can rely on him to put that many appearances in.
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Post by Han Solo on May 17, 2019 11:10:28 GMT
Need someone more hard working than Ince in that midfield diamond he goes missing for most of the match. Spot on he’s way too lazy and goes missing for long periods. We need athletes. From the current crop likely to stay I’d only go with Edwards Batth Etebo (fingers crossed) McClean (never goes missing but not enough quality) Vokes (I don’t think we’ve seen the best of him)
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Post by Han Solo on May 17, 2019 11:12:19 GMT
Ryan was much better towards the end of the season. However, he is always liable to break down so I don't think we can rely on him to put that many appearances in. After Batth had signed. The only combinations that seemed to work had one constant (Batth)
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Post by bolders on May 17, 2019 12:22:19 GMT
Need someone more hard working than Ince in that midfield diamond he goes missing for most of the match. Spot on he’s way too lazy and goes missing for long periods. We need athletes. From the current crop likely to stay I’d only go with Edwards Batth Etebo (fingers crossed) McClean (never goes missing but not enough quality) Vokes (I don’t think we’ve seen the best of him) I’d only keep McClean as a squad player, to bring off the bench but if we could get money for him and replace with better then we should. Lucas is a definite starter no matter what we think
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Post by wakefieldstokie on May 17, 2019 14:18:17 GMT
He’s clearly decent player but I’m not sure about his ability on the ball. Very Shawcross like (not a bad thing) and Batth. Think we need more vision from a centre back. Then again what do I know, just an opinion 🤭 He is tidy on the ball fella and has the confidence to bring the ball down when its needed. To be honest my research is based on three games so perhaps harsh, one of them last night, and there was a lot of hoofing from Pompey throughout the team.
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Post by LankyPotter on May 17, 2019 14:21:30 GMT
He is tidy on the ball fella and has the confidence to bring the ball down when its needed. To be honest my research is based on three games so perhaps harsh, one of them last night, and there was a lot of hoofing from Pompey throughout the team. Yeah it was definitely that type of game - but he coped with that just as well in fairness to him.
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Post by biglad180 on May 17, 2019 15:03:27 GMT
Need someone more hard working than Ince in that midfield diamond he goes missing for most of the match. not only do we need someone more hard working than ince. ince wants fucking off he is a very poor mans bojan
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Post by sting on May 17, 2019 16:00:17 GMT
I think Ethan Pinnock might be on the radar. Ball playing CB. I know a couple of Barnsley supporters who rate him higher than Liam Lindsay, who we were also rumoured to be looking at. I think these will be 2 and 3 on the list.
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 17, 2019 16:07:59 GMT
Pinnock is a left footer too, as is Lindsay. It's all pointing to Bruno going.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 16:33:02 GMT
Spot on he’s way too lazy and goes missing for long periods. We need athletes. From the current crop likely to stay I’d only go with Edwards Batth Etebo (fingers crossed) McClean (never goes missing but not enough quality) Vokes (I don’t think we’ve seen the best of him) I’d only keep McClean as a squad player, to bring off the bench but if we could get money for him and replace with better then we should. Lucas is a definite starter no matter what we think Who’s Lucas?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 16:33:15 GMT
Spot on he’s way too lazy and goes missing for long periods. We need athletes. From the current crop likely to stay I’d only go with Edwards Batth Etebo (fingers crossed) McClean (never goes missing but not enough quality) Vokes (I don’t think we’ve seen the best of him) I’d only keep McClean as a squad player, to bring off the bench but if we could get money for him and replace with better then we should. Lucas is a definite starter no matter what we think Who’s Lucas?
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Post by thehoof on May 17, 2019 16:44:56 GMT
I didn’t say he was bad I said is he better than what we have. I can’t understand why people are saying he should come in and start over Ryan. I completely agree that Ryan will play a lesser role over time but i can’t see why you’d break up the partnership developing with him and Batth now and bring someone in to start. And if we have Ryan, Batth and Bruno why not let one of the younger ones we have make up the fourth place and see how they get on when given an opportunity. We spent a fortune last summer on players that weren’t better than what we had. Yes and I understand that we spent money last summer and didn’t improve the squad - all apart from etebo probably. But Clarke is certainly at level Ryan is now defensively and also far better on the ball than Ryan has ever been And he is early twenties.We need to be pro-active in our replacements for Ryan Shawcross, he is a legend and should be able to retire at the club but he isn’t the answer long term unfortunately. Far better on the ball? Just how many times have you actually seen Clarke play- 5 or 6 or do you follow Pompey regularly.I have seen him 4 times( all on live TV), he seems a decent defender ( similar to Ba’ath and Shawcross) but his use of the ball seemed no different- Nathan Collins in the 110 minutes I’ve seen of him is far better on the ball than the 360 minutes I’ve seen of Clarke. With Collins, Souttar, Ba’ath Shawcross I am not sure that we need to spend 5 or 6 million on a Centre Half- I’d sooner put it to a midfield or striker purchase.
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Post by LankyPotter on May 17, 2019 18:17:51 GMT
Yes and I understand that we spent money last summer and didn’t improve the squad - all apart from etebo probably. But Clarke is certainly at level Ryan is now defensively and also far better on the ball than Ryan has ever been And he is early twenties.We need to be pro-active in our replacements for Ryan Shawcross, he is a legend and should be able to retire at the club but he isn’t the answer long term unfortunately. Far better on the ball? Just how many times have you actually seen Clarke play- 5 or 6 or do you follow Pompey regularly.I have seen him 4 times( all on live TV), he seems a decent defender ( similar to Ba’ath and Shawcross) but his use of the ball seemed no different- Nathan Collins in the 110 minutes I’ve seen of him is far better on the ball than the 360 minutes I’ve seen of Clarke. With Collins, Souttar, Ba’ath Shawcross I am not sure that we need to spend 5 or 6 million on a Centre Half- I’d sooner put it to a midfield or striker purchase. He can step out of defence with the ball and play forward passes, he drives forward with the ball committing midfielders and defenders. Not one of our CB’s do that currently - apart from the odd time ryan fumbles his way forward. And I’ve seen him play 25 times so even the club could vouch for my scouting
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Post by lordb on May 17, 2019 19:20:07 GMT
Far better on the ball? Just how many times have you actually seen Clarke play- 5 or 6 or do you follow Pompey regularly.I have seen him 4 times( all on live TV), he seems a decent defender ( similar to Ba’ath and Shawcross) but his use of the ball seemed no different- Nathan Collins in the 110 minutes I’ve seen of him is far better on the ball than the 360 minutes I’ve seen of Clarke. With Collins, Souttar, Ba’ath Shawcross I am not sure that we need to spend 5 or 6 million on a Centre Half- I’d sooner put it to a midfield or striker purchase. He can step out of defence with the ball and play forward passes, he drives forward with the ball committing midfielders and defenders. Not one of our CB’s do that currently - apart from the odd time ryan fumbles his way forward. And I’ve seen him play 25 times so even the club could vouch for my scouting Sounds good
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Post by kelw on May 17, 2019 20:21:28 GMT
I’d only keep McClean as a squad player, to bring off the bench but if we could get money for him and replace with better then we should. Lucas is a definite starter no matter what we think Who’s Lucas? Seedy guy from Menswear in 'Are You Being Served'
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Post by thehoof on May 17, 2019 20:27:43 GMT
Far better on the ball? Just how many times have you actually seen Clarke play- 5 or 6 or do you follow Pompey regularly.I have seen him 4 times( all on live TV), he seems a decent defender ( similar to Ba’ath and Shawcross) but his use of the ball seemed no different- Nathan Collins in the 110 minutes I’ve seen of him is far better on the ball than the 360 minutes I’ve seen of Clarke. With Collins, Souttar, Ba’ath Shawcross I am not sure that we need to spend 5 or 6 million on a Centre Half- I’d sooner put it to a midfield or striker purchase. He can step out of defence with the ball and play forward passes, he drives forward with the ball committing midfielders and defenders. Not one of our CB’s do that currently - apart from the odd time ryan fumbles his way forward. And I’ve seen him play 25 times so even the club could vouch for my scouting 25 times? I take it you live down there then?
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