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Post by madeleystokie on Jan 29, 2019 13:33:08 GMT
Jeez, listen to the moaning on here. Portsmouth clearly just don't want to sell him.
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Post by westgatelakes on Jan 29, 2019 13:37:25 GMT
Jeez, listen to the moaning on here. Portsmouth clearly just don't want to sell him. Unless they get offered silly money of course which we simply cannot afford to do. Our best hope of getting Clarke is in the summer as long as Portsmouth are still in league one
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Post by madeleystokie on Jan 29, 2019 13:51:56 GMT
Indeed, could be playing the long game with this one. You just never know.
As it stands, we're stuck with Williams until the end of the season anyway so we're top heavy on centre-backs right now but it'll certainly change come July!
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Post by bloodtypered on May 14, 2019 16:45:03 GMT
In for him again
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Post by dreamtheater on May 14, 2019 19:42:53 GMT
Yes I like this one too
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Post by FullerMagic on May 17, 2019 7:52:05 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 17, 2019 8:05:44 GMT
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Post by clarkeda on May 17, 2019 8:10:30 GMT
Think BMI will be off personally and Collins on loan is my gut feeling.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 17, 2019 8:11:11 GMT
I'd be amazed if he went that way. Think the 3 at the back was just a halfway house to allow him to give the diamond an outing late in the season, with a bit more security ,before pre-season allows him to really drill the new squad in the full fat version? I'd certainly be surprised if BMI is still here. But am expecting Shawcross to be a major player again If Clarke does arrive, it'll be interesting to see if he goes in above Shawcross in the pecking order. And then Souttar and Collins are going to have to be handled carefully. If they aren't going to get a decent chunk of games (and would be surprised obviously if they're first-choice), the sensible thing is to loan them out to advance their development. No point them both staying to be 4th and 5th choice. And if it's even sensible for one of them (and which one?) to stay as 4th choice is debatable. Clarke's obviously a good player. The Pompey fans love him and he seems highly regarded around L1 circles, but he would presumably want to move to somewhere where he's going to be a regular and whether he'd stroll in ahead of Shawcross is an interesting question.
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Post by sneydgreenstokie1 on May 17, 2019 8:12:12 GMT
Could we see a loan swap deal with Collins going to Portsmouth for the season and Clarke joining us permanently? BMI going would easily cover the cost and would save a fair wedge on wages too. Clarke is left-footed and dominates in the air. Seemed comfortable on the ball last night and covered for Burgess well too. Seemed decent at corners too
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Post by spitthedog on May 17, 2019 8:19:02 GMT
Could we see a loan swap deal with Collins going to Portsmouth for the season and Clarke joining us permanently? BMI going would easily cover the cost and would save a fair wedge on wages too. Clarke is left-footed and dominates in the air. Seemed comfortable on the ball last night and covered for Burgess well too. Seemed decent at corners too Collins is so, so much better than Clarke imho. btw That photo was when he gave the ball away to a Sunderland player under no pressure at all! I thought he was awful on the ball. Would be depressing and a backward step if that happened.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 8:39:20 GMT
Could we see a loan swap deal with Collins going to Portsmouth for the season and Clarke joining us permanently? BMI going would easily cover the cost and would save a fair wedge on wages too. Clarke is left-footed and dominates in the air. Seemed comfortable on the ball last night and covered for Burgess well too. Seemed decent at corners too Collins is so, so much better than Clarke imho. btw That photo was when he gave the ball away to a Sunderland player under no pressure at all! I thought he was awful on the ball. Would be depressing and a backward step if that happened. How can you come to the decision that Collins is so so much better? Collins has played what? 1 full game? This lad has played most weeks, is highly rated by those that see him week in and week out and is highly rated within the league. If we are going to turn our nose up for someone who gave the ball away under no pressure, we would be turning our nose up against our whole squad, including golden boy Joe Allen who does it regularly.
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 17, 2019 8:40:48 GMT
I've seen Nathan McGinley a few times at Forest Green Rovers, and he's impressed me more than Clarke. He's left footed, cool and calm. 22 years of age and ex Boro youngster. Just saying...
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Post by LankyPotter on May 17, 2019 8:44:16 GMT
Could we see a loan swap deal with Collins going to Portsmouth for the season and Clarke joining us permanently? BMI going would easily cover the cost and would save a fair wedge on wages too. Clarke is left-footed and dominates in the air. Seemed comfortable on the ball last night and covered for Burgess well too. Seemed decent at corners too Collins is so, so much better than Clarke imho. btw That photo was when he gave the ball away to a Sunderland player under no pressure at all! I thought he was awful on the ball. Would be depressing and a backward step if that happened. To be fair to clarke though he isn’t afraid to bring the ball down. He steps out of defence with the ball but also drives beyond his midfielders when he see’s the opportunity. Thought he was the best player on the pitch yesterday tbh and when he had to he put the ball into row z. Would love to have him and Danny B as a partnership next season!
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Post by Han Solo on May 17, 2019 8:45:07 GMT
He’s very highly rated and I heard someone on the commentary last night say someone at the club thinks he’ll be a future England intl. I think him and Batth could work well. Ryan’s been a great servant but we need to look to the future. I’d imagine Ryan’s on big wages still and may want one last crack at the PL.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 17, 2019 8:52:11 GMT
He’s very highly rated and I heard someone on the commentary last night say someone at the club thinks he’ll be a future England intl. I think him and Batth could work well. Ryan’s been a great servant but we need to look to the future. I’d imagine Ryan’s on big wages still and may want one last crack at the PL. The conundrum is maybe that there's no chance of any Prem interest in Ryan though? If there was, that'd be an easy way out for everyone. He's contracted for another 2 years and you'd think he will see them out here on big money. One of the more interesting calls over the summer is who Jones sees as Batth's regular partner. If he's targeting Clarke, maybe he thinks it's him. Obviously there will be injuries and suspensions, but one player will emrge as the 30+ start regular. So does that mean Shawcross sits on the bench most weeks, with Souttar and Collins very peripheral. If so , Shawcross will be pissed off and the youngsters will probably be better off loaned.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 17, 2019 8:53:10 GMT
Hasn't it been suggested that Souttar's heading back to Fleetwood on loan?
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on May 17, 2019 8:58:51 GMT
I'd be looking to loan Nathan Collins out. At his age, playing back up reaps no reward.
If we're seriously interested in Clarke then him and Batth covered by Souttar and Shawcross would be steady enough. There's no way Shawcross will be number one choice next season.
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Post by nott1 on May 17, 2019 9:08:47 GMT
He’s very highly rated and I heard someone on the commentary last night say someone at the club thinks he’ll be a future England intl. I think him and Batth could work well. Ryan’s been a great servant but we need to look to the future. I’d imagine Ryan’s on big wages still and may want one last crack at the PL. The conundrum is maybe that there's no chance of any Prem interest in Ryan though? If there was, that'd be an easy way out for everyone. He's contracted for another 2 years and you'd think he will see them out here on big money. One of the more interesting calls over the summer is who Jones sees as Batth's regular partner. If he's targeting Clarke, maybe he thinks it's him. Obviously there will be injuries and suspensions, but one player will emrge as the 30+ start regular. So does that mean Shawcross sits on the bench most weeks, with Souttar and Collins very peripheral. If so , Shawcross will be pissed off and the youngsters will probably be better off loaned. Ryans form was pretty good latterly and if his back is better, and he has a good pre-season he's good enough for this league isn't he?
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Post by FullerMagic on May 17, 2019 9:16:12 GMT
The conundrum is maybe that there's no chance of any Prem interest in Ryan though? If there was, that'd be an easy way out for everyone. He's contracted for another 2 years and you'd think he will see them out here on big money. One of the more interesting calls over the summer is who Jones sees as Batth's regular partner. If he's targeting Clarke, maybe he thinks it's him. Obviously there will be injuries and suspensions, but one player will emrge as the 30+ start regular. So does that mean Shawcross sits on the bench most weeks, with Souttar and Collins very peripheral. If so , Shawcross will be pissed off and the youngsters will probably be better off loaned. Ryans form was pretty good latterly and if his back is better, and he has a good pre-season he's good enough for this league isn't he? I think so, yeah. I thought he looked fine. But, as a big character around the squad and club captain, will he potentially be okay with not being someone who's a 30/35-game starter - and instead someone who's going to be on the bench a lot? As it is, his wages mean he's basically stuck here. Can't go higher due to lack of interest and can't go lower due to lack of clubs who could get near his deal - so it's an unusual situation if the manager decides someone else is going to come in as a regular.
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Post by spitthedog on May 17, 2019 9:36:34 GMT
Collins is so, so much better than Clarke imho. btw That photo was when he gave the ball away to a Sunderland player under no pressure at all! I thought he was awful on the ball. Would be depressing and a backward step if that happened. How can you come to the decision that Collins is so so much better? Collins has played what? 1 full game? This lad has played most weeks, is highly rated by those that see him week in and week out and is highly rated within the league. If we are going to turn our nose up for someone who gave the ball away under no pressure, we would be turning our nose up against our whole squad, including golden boy Joe Allen who does it regularly. The 'imho' bit is the key here. I have seen Collins a few times (apart from his senior appearances) and imho (like all of us probably) I think I know a good player when I see one. I think Collins is a better footballer than Clarke imho. I just think he's got real class. Yes, I've only seen Clarke 3 or 4 times on TV but I still stand by my opinion. I will be delighted to be proven wrong if he comes here. If he's that good I imagine a few other teams will be in for him then.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 9:37:34 GMT
Did anyone whose suggesting this guy is better than Ryan and would be starting over him honestly watch the game last night?
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Post by scfc75 on May 17, 2019 9:40:37 GMT
Did anyone whose suggesting this guy is better than Ryan and would be starting over him honestly watch the game last night? I wouldn’t say 1 game is a fair sample size to be honest. Ryan has had some stinkers this season himself.
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 17, 2019 9:42:02 GMT
I'd hope Nathan will make the tough call if required if he deems Ryan not good enough to start. With Clarke as a possibility, it looks like that left footer alongside Baath is a pre-requisite, and neither Ryan nor Baath are left footed. Even more reason to expect Indi to go, thus freeing up a decent wage and giving us a fee to re-invest. Ryan's one of the old guard but sentimentality can no longer come into it if he's not worthy of a start. If we sign Clarke I'll reserve judgement of course. He looks like a pretty good footballer but has the turning circle of the Titanic.
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 17, 2019 9:48:49 GMT
How can you come to the decision that Collins is so so much better? Collins has played what? 1 full game? This lad has played most weeks, is highly rated by those that see him week in and week out and is highly rated within the league. If we are going to turn our nose up for someone who gave the ball away under no pressure, we would be turning our nose up against our whole squad, including golden boy Joe Allen who does it regularly. The 'imho' bit is the key here. I have seen Collins a few times (apart from his senior appearances) and imho (like all of us probably) I think I know a good player when I see one. I think Collins is a better footballer than Clarke imho. I just think he's got real class. Yes, I've only seen Clarke 3 or 4 times on TV but I still stand by my opinion. I will be delighted to be proven wrong if he comes here. If he's that good I imagine a few other teams will be in for him then. It's possible that Collins will turn out to be the gem we all think he is, but it's unlikely an 18 year old would be a starting centre back in the Championship. Give him a season more on loan and let's see how he is then, but it's exciting.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 10:02:02 GMT
Did anyone whose suggesting this guy is better than Ryan and would be starting over him honestly watch the game last night? I wouldn’t say 1 game is a fair sample size to be honest. Ryan has had some stinkers this season himself. No but how much have people honestly seen to know he’s better and should be starting. I also don’t think Ryans had any stinkers since Batth joined and don’t see why people are so keen to have that partnership broken up.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 10:04:59 GMT
The 'imho' bit is the key here. I have seen Collins a few times (apart from his senior appearances) and imho (like all of us probably) I think I know a good player when I see one. I think Collins is a better footballer than Clarke imho. I just think he's got real class. Yes, I've only seen Clarke 3 or 4 times on TV but I still stand by my opinion. I will be delighted to be proven wrong if he comes here. If he's that good I imagine a few other teams will be in for him then. It's possible that Collins will turn out to be the gem we all think he is, but it's unlikely an 18 year old would be a starting centre back in the Championship. Give him a season more on loan and let's see how he is then, but it's exciting. You don’t know unless you try. Look at how Edwards has come along this year. He got his chance and he took it. Assuming Ryan, Batth and Bruno are all around would he not be a sufficient fourth choice and should we really be bringing someone in who will force him out? Although it was only one game it looked promising. It would have been better, in my opinion, to give him a few more chances to see how he got on but he didn’t get them for whatever reason.
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Post by LankyPotter on May 17, 2019 10:11:33 GMT
Did anyone whose suggesting this guy is better than Ryan and would be starting over him honestly watch the game last night? Very unfair to say he had a bad game last night. He was probably the best player on the pitch. Would be a very good signing and id keep Ryan at the club but he should be faded out of the XI gradually from now
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 10:18:18 GMT
Did anyone whose suggesting this guy is better than Ryan and would be starting over him honestly watch the game last night? Very unfair to say he had a bad game last night. He was probably the best player on the pitch. Would be a very good signing and id keep Ryan at the club but he should be faded out of the XI gradually from now I didn’t say he was bad I said is he better than what we have. I can’t understand why people are saying he should come in and start over Ryan. I completely agree that Ryan will play a lesser role over time but i can’t see why you’d break up the partnership developing with him and Batth now and bring someone in to start. And if we have Ryan, Batth and Bruno why not let one of the younger ones we have make up the fourth place and see how they get on when given an opportunity. We spent a fortune last summer on players that weren’t better than what we had.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 17, 2019 10:21:50 GMT
I would have gone for Batth, Shawcross and Collins as our 3 central defenders where Shawcross and Collins should play 20+ games the both of them. We need a left wing back, and we need back up for both full backs as well (hopefully one player who can play on both sides). If Woods + one of Allen/Etebo leave we probably will need another midfielder too. Hopefully NJ can persuade Badou to play again as he is better than anyone we can bring in if motivated. I still really hope we can get rid of McClean and Afobe, but rumours say otherwise. Butland will certainly go so a new goalkeeper will be needed too.
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New goalkeeper Left back (+ back up player) Midfielder (dependent on who will leave) Striker (Afobe out)
.................New goalkeeper................. Edwards.......Batth.........Shawcross....New left back .....................Etebo..................... Ince......................................Clucas .....................Badou....................... ..............Vokes........New striker............
Subs: Federici, Collins, New fullback, New midfielder, Sørensen, Verlinden, Campbell.
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