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Post by mattythestokie on Dec 27, 2018 23:58:22 GMT
Thing is, I don’t agree what some people say that Bojan is the best player in this league and that he should be starting every week. I don’t think he’s as good as some make out on here. BUT. He’s becoming a symbol of Rowetts lack of creativity and inability to be positive. The way we are playing isn’t working the way it should and won’t get us anywhere, and he’s got someone there who can make a difference to a boring team and just simply offer something else. But for some unknown reason, it’s the last thing on his mind. He’d of been perfect bring on at Birmingham. He needs to be in th squad every week. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 0:47:30 GMT
Thing is, I don’t agree what some people say that Bojan is the best player in this league and that he should be starting every week. I don’t think he’s as good as some make out on here. BUT. He’s becoming a symbol of Rowetts lack of creativity and inability to be positive. The way we are playing isn’t working the way it should and won’t get us anywhere, and he’s got someone there who can make a difference to a boring team and just simply offer something else. But for some unknown reason, it’s the last thing on his mind. He’d of been perfect bring on at Birmingham. He needs to be in th squad every week. His natural ability is light years ahead of any other player in this League. He doesn't rely on pace or skill he's just an extremely talented footballer and you don't find them very often. He's only just turned 28 and is therefore in his prime. But like any other professional sports person he needs competitive game time to reach full throttle. We know that especially with him as it took him a good few games to get going when he first joined....but he scored that beauty against Spurs and he was off. He has started 2 League games and one Cup game this year. He was good against Bolton and causing Forest real problems in the Cup before our defence capitulated. Other than that has started probably no more than 15 games in the last 2 years. He has averaged about a goal every four games when playing for us and I am no illusions had be have started every game for us this season he would have had at least 6 goals. What I will say is when he goes, which quite clearly he is, every person at the Club should hang their heads in shame and I will be forever pissed off that he was never given the opportunity to show us what he could do in this League. We should have been building the team around him this summer. |
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Post by tosh on Dec 28, 2018 0:50:00 GMT
Thing is, I don’t agree what some people say that Bojan is the best player in this league and that he should be starting every week. I don’t think he’s as good as some make out on here. BUT. He’s becoming a symbol of Rowetts lack of creativity and inability to be positive. The way we are playing isn’t working the way it should and won’t get us anywhere, and he’s got someone there who can make a difference to a boring team and just simply offer something else. But for some unknown reason, it’s the last thing on his mind. He’d of been perfect bring on at Birmingham. He needs to be in th squad every week. Think you make a good point. Bojan is an ideal focal point to make our disillusionment known about Rowett’s style of management - or lack of it. And what about following up the Ole Ole Ole song with a seasonal version of The First Noel that we used to sing:- Bojan Bojan Bojan Bojan - Born is the King of Boothen End.etc., If nothing else it will annoy Rowett and boy does he deserve it! |
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Post by tony1234 on Dec 28, 2018 1:14:11 GMT
Rowett and his football is a symptom, not a cause. He is not immune from blame, but let's remember what is going on elsewhere in the club.
Idiots above him were clearly not accountable for last season's surrender, but more than that, creating a financial and logistical burden on the club that will take us 3 years to clear.
"Lessons learned" meant, the blame got landed at the door of our "prima dona" players, instead of their own incredible ineptitude.
How did they get away with it and keep their jobs? Well, perhaps like any employee might - being the whipping boy/errand boy/fall guy/deferrent fool for a boss can be more useful for keeping your job than honesty or offering a challenge, especially if that boss is egocentric, overly sentimental and deluded.
It seemed to create a mentality of "right we are going to buy hard working sorts.... mainly British... but definitely triers"
Which equated to us having two attacking threats up to the job, when other teams with serious promotion hopes have 4-5
Which also equated to us not going for loans for those crop of players who can win games for you.... "none of that rubbish... we want committment, dedication, our own players".
Which all leads nicely to ideas like dropping our top scorer, sitting on slender leads begging for the final whistle against teams like Millwall.
And generally playing the sort of football that causes IBS with prolonged exposure.
Employees perfom according to the trust and opportunity the boss places in them and their own talent. So we can blame Rowett for some of this, but then who gets the blame if Rowett is operating without conviction, and responding defensively to all that comes his way. (A trait that Lambert shared somewhat too, let's recall.) A fear of losing that stops an ambition to play attacking football, take risks, commit players forward.... but firstly buy the players we need to play this way?
Rowett wasn't this bad at Derby - they scored 69 in 46 games and won 20 in 46 games. Had a frontline that rotated Lawrence, Vydra, Jerome, Weimann, Nugent and Winnall - who are, admittedly, not exactly Messi and Ronaldo, but he had 4a battery of players who could create and score and typically 3-5 of them got game time, each game, most often in a 4-2-3-1 with 4 very attack minded players.
He now have just 2 such players and drops 1 of them? He isn't picking Beharinho because he believes in him.
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Post by madnellie on Dec 28, 2018 3:17:39 GMT
Must say, there was a point yesterday that I was tempted (probably through annoyance and anger) to sing along with the Birmingham supporters...... "Gary Rowett, your football is shit" I often randomly sing along when I'm watching on the telly, and I must admit I joined in with that for a good few seconds before I realised it was the Bluenoses, not us. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 28, 2018 6:44:24 GMT
Bojan is the prime example of Rowett's awful man management skills and agenda driven decision making. I'll never understand why managers like him and Pulis do it.
I probably shouldn't be using the Vale manager as an example but he was right when he said "I'd pick a player who I hated over someone I liked if he was a better player and meant we had more chance of winning".. it's logical isn't it?!
Btw, I've never said Bojan is the answer to all our problems but not even having him on the bench is beyond a joke.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 28, 2018 7:20:02 GMT
I can see Rowetts career going the same way as Quiteralls,applying for every managerial job that comes up,hoping some daft chairman takes him on.
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Post by nott1 on Dec 28, 2018 7:37:41 GMT
Get him back in the team and kiss his feet Rowett! |
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Post by pb1863 on Dec 28, 2018 8:07:23 GMT
In Sparky’s last season I wanted Rowett to manage and he was my first choice. I’m not 100% that we can’t make the play offs but it’s looking less likely as each week goes by. Had we won at Brum he would have been left alone.
It’s a big big game on Saturday where we traditionally fail to win and struggle to score having not got a result there in our last 9 games against them away.
PC needs to back GR big time with cash for signings in Jan or move him on.
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Post by hyaduck on Dec 28, 2018 8:40:45 GMT
This song is for you, this song is for youuu, Garry Rowett this song is for you....Ole ole ole ole Bojan Bojan..
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Post by berahinosgoals on Dec 28, 2018 9:02:08 GMT
I can see Rowetts career going the same way as Quiteralls,applying for every managerial job that comes up,hoping some daft chairman takes him on. Haha just have a read of his c.v. so far in his very short managerial career. He's done decent everywhere he has been. The guy has resussatated a player we paid 12 million for that we had given up on, he is 5 points off 6th with 22 to go having taken over a club rotten to the core with a deeply rooted losing mentality, a chairman & a hostile support that wants it turned from a super strength shit show into box office in one transfer window. Don't kid yourself that he won't find another decent sized club. The guy is on a hiding to nothing here |
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Post by pottersson on Dec 28, 2018 9:29:06 GMT
This club is imploding. Fans wanted pulis out, wanted Hughes out, wanted Lambert out and now want Rowett out.
What happened to getting behind your team regardless. There appears to be more divisions in our fan base that there are on Brexit!
I suspect a lot is to do with a lot jumping on the premier league bandwagon and not having any real experience of stoke city before then.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 9:38:29 GMT
This club is imploding. Fans wanted pulis out, wanted Hughes out, wanted Lambert out and now want Rowett out. What happened to getting behind your team regardless. There appears to be more divisions in our fan base that there are on Brexit! I suspect a lot is to do with a lot jumping on the premier league bandwagon and not having any real experience of stoke city before then. Sorry but that's nonsense. Personally I've been watching stoke since 86 and seen far worse times but we've seen the board effectively give away our premier league status having worked so had to get there and maintain that, they've made bad decision after bad decision, we're a shambles on and off the pitch. Fans are entitled to make their feelings known. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 28, 2018 9:47:39 GMT
This club is imploding. Fans wanted pulis out, wanted Hughes out, wanted Lambert out and now want Rowett out. What happened to getting behind your team regardless. There appears to be more divisions in our fan base that there are on Brexit! I suspect a lot is to do with a lot jumping on the premier league bandwagon and not having any real experience of stoke city before then. Disagree. We should be doing a lot better. I would suggest the majority on here were fans long before we made it in the Premier league as well. We have a very good squad, with numerous international players. We've kept a lot of the team together and this is where I think the frustration is coming from. We shouldn't be winning every game as if it's some god given right but we should at the very least be competing. There are many worrying signs, we still don't seem to have a settled first 11, we have no plan B, we aren't scoring enough goals and we aren't keeping clean sheets. The longer we stay in this league the harder it is to get out as the parachute payments dwindle. Rowetts arrogance isn't going to get the fans on side and they're more than entitled to voice their opinion if they're paying to go the game. |
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Post by stroller on Dec 28, 2018 10:08:34 GMT
This club is imploding. Fans wanted pulis out, wanted Hughes out, wanted Lambert out and now want Rowett out. What happened to getting behind your team regardless. There appears to be more divisions in our fan base that there are on Brexit! I suspect a lot is to do with a lot jumping on the premier league bandwagon and not having any real experience of stoke city before then. Nothing to do with the premier league as far as I'm concerned. I just want a bit of entertainment and excitement. Is that too much to ask? |
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 28, 2018 10:16:01 GMT
This club is imploding. Fans wanted pulis out, wanted Hughes out, wanted Lambert out and now want Rowett out. What happened to getting behind your team regardless. There appears to be more divisions in our fan base that there are on Brexit! I suspect a lot is to do with a lot jumping on the premier league bandwagon and not having any real experience of stoke city before then. Drivel. Fans want underperforming managers out - what is wrong with that? Blind faith has put us in the middle of the Championship despite spending a shed load of money. I suggest that it is fans like you that are part of the problem. |
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Post by lstokie on Dec 28, 2018 10:21:26 GMT
The Oatcake is definitely not a good indication of the overview of the rest of the fan-base
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 28, 2018 10:34:17 GMT
I can see Rowetts career going the same way as Quiteralls,applying for every managerial job that comes up,hoping some daft chairman takes him on. I thought exactly that myself!!! |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 28, 2018 10:37:32 GMT
The arrogant one has gone too far. The swing from those on the fence in the Rowett in or Rowett out debate has clearly swung towards him deservedly being given the boot judging by the posts on here since yesterday. A sold out away end at Birmingham witnessed possibly the biggest pile of shite seen in many years when following OUR club, yes OUR club, not this fools club. He is but very temporary. It was so bad that I felt too numb to bother shouting shit at Rowett at the end of the game. This idiot needs to know very loudly what the supporters think of him and his shit, negative, and clueless football. I know that the saints on here will chip in with the give him a bit more time, and just get behind the team ramblings, but we are seriously going backwards with this bell end in charge. I will get behind the team as I tried to at Brum, but the fucking life is being sucked out of any optimism and enthusiasm that I have had since the morning of the debacle at Leeds. I will not get behind this odious twat. Rowett Out!! another thread about rowett ffs take some kalms fella or have a spliff What exactly are you expecting to see threads about? Gaelic folk music? Iconic lighthouses of the world maybe? |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 28, 2018 10:43:35 GMT
This club is imploding. Fans wanted pulis out, wanted Hughes out, wanted Lambert out and now want Rowett out. What happened to getting behind your team regardless. There appears to be more divisions in our fan base that there are on Brexit! I suspect a lot is to do with a lot jumping on the premier league bandwagon and not having any real experience of stoke city before then. I suspect it's down to three years of unarrested decline and shit football. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Dec 28, 2018 10:59:11 GMT
He wants backing not sacking. Throw him a medal too for putting up with the shit for good measure. He's a scapegoat atm
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Post by silverdollar on Dec 28, 2018 11:01:45 GMT
The arrogant one has gone too far. The swing from those on the fence in the Rowett in or Rowett out debate has clearly swung towards him deservedly being given the boot judging by the posts on here since yesterday. A sold out away end at Birmingham witnessed possibly the biggest pile of shite seen in many years when following OUR club, yes OUR club, not this fools club. He is but very temporary. It was so bad that I felt too numb to bother shouting shit at Rowett at the end of the game. This idiot needs to know very loudly what the supporters think of him and his shit, negative, and clueless football. I know that the saints on here will chip in with the give him a bit more time, and just get behind the team ramblings, but we are seriously going backwards with this bell end in charge. I will get behind the team as I tried to at Brum, but the fucking life is being sucked out of any optimism and enthusiasm that I have had since the morning of the debacle at Leeds. I will not get behind this odious twat. Rowett Out!! "Arrogance" I thought is when someone thinks they can talk and do for the majority! I am feeling pretty low right now but I would not presume to use the word "we" when it is "I" you should be saying. So your proposal I assume is to make the atmosphere at Stoke and away matches worse than it already is just when the team needs our backing? |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Dec 28, 2018 11:09:21 GMT
another thread about rowett ffs take some kalms fella or have a spliff What exactly are you expecting to see threads about? Gaelic folk music? Iconic lighthouses of the world maybe? There's a beautiful lighthouse looking out over the Chesapeak Bay in Maryland. |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Dec 28, 2018 11:13:58 GMT
He wants backing not sacking. Throw him a medal too for putting up with the shit for good measure. He's a scapegoat atm He has the most expensively assembled and talented squad in the league. He has been handsomely backed, I'm sorry that excuse is the biggest load of bollocks aver spouted. Granted there are underlying issues at the club and have been for years which should have been dealt with as part of the root and branch restructure that was prommised after relegation. |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 28, 2018 11:22:46 GMT
He wants backing not sacking. Throw him a medal too for putting up with the shit for good measure. He's a scapegoat atm Scapegoat??? For real??? It's his brand of football, formations, and team selections we're being subjected too.... Apart from the Derby and Villa games we've looked anything BUT a top half team, nevermind a top six team!!! If you're enjoying the shit on offer, then go ahead and back him, thats your prerogative.....but don't expect others to follow in their droves!!! |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Dec 28, 2018 11:23:39 GMT
He wants backing not sacking. Throw him a medal too for putting up with the shit for good measure. He's a scapegoat atm He has the most expensively assembled and talented squad in the league. He has been handsomely backed, I'm sorry that excuse is the biggest load of bollocks aver spouted. Granted there are underlying issues at the club and have been for years which should have been dealt with as part of the root and branch restructure that was prommised after relegation. this club was rotten to the core, if we could rid half of our squad tomorrow I'm sure we would. There is no healthry compitition for places, berahino aside (who he has happened to ressusatate from the dead) the players gary has spent money on are our best players, that speaks volumes for a squad that have been classing themselves as premier league players for the past few years. These arnt premier league players, they were expensively & overly paid assembled shit by another manager who happened to be around to give out extended contracts like they were confetti. Fletcher, crouch although once upon a time good players are past it. The rebuild has only just began, it wasn't a tart you up with a bit of paint job either, its a complete rebuild, the size of rebuild that doesn't happen in 1 transfer window |
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Post by mrred on Dec 28, 2018 11:40:15 GMT
He wants backing not sacking. Throw him a medal too for putting up with the shit for good measure. He's a scapegoat atm Christ, there's wide of the mark, then there's this comment. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 28, 2018 11:43:37 GMT
He wants backing not sacking. Throw him a medal too for putting up with the shit for good measure. He's a scapegoat atm Christ, there's wide of the mark, then there's this comment. I think it’s his wife 😎 |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 28, 2018 11:44:45 GMT
He has the most expensively assembled and talented squad in the league. He has been handsomely backed, I'm sorry that excuse is the biggest load of bollocks aver spouted. Granted there are underlying issues at the club and have been for years which should have been dealt with as part of the root and branch restructure that was prommised after relegation. this club was rotten to the core, if we could rid half of our squad tomorrow I'm sure we would. There is no healthry compitition for places, berahino aside (who he has happened to ressusatate from the dead) the players gary has spent money on are our best players, that speaks volumes for a squad that have been classing themselves as premier league players for the past few years. These arnt premier league players, they were expensively & overly paid assembled shit by another manager who happened to be around to give out extended contracts like they were confetti. Fletcher, crouch although once upon a time good players are past it. The rebuild has only just began, it wasn't a tart you up with a bit of paint job either, its a complete rebuild, the size of rebuild that doesn't happen in 1 transfer window "the players gary has spent money on are our best players" You're either related to Rowett or you're taking some seriously good shit!!! The only half decent player Rowett has brought in is Ince, and he's a stop/start player!!! As for Berahino.....I wouldn't say Rowett has resurrected his career, he's just playing a player who at the moment looks about the best of a bad bunch in that position, Berahino's found his niche in this division!!! |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Dec 28, 2018 11:50:16 GMT
Christ, there's wide of the mark, then there's this comment. I think it’s his wife 😎 I think you lot are related to his ex wife  |
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