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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 21, 2020 7:35:37 GMT
If we get Gunn + cash for Butland I think we will have done ever so well in this situation. Even if the cash part isn't that big it will hopefully be a good move, not only for financial reasons, but for footballing reasons as well. First of all I think Jack is one of our highest earners, and hopefully we are wise enough to reduce the amount spent on wages considerably with a swap with Gunn, maybe as low as a fourth of what Jack gets? If Jack is as quoted on £60K per week!!?? I guess Gunn will be offered less than a fourth of that. Jack is finished at Stoke and with only one year left of his contract too. Gunn is a player in a little bit of the same situation as Jack, was very promising, started well, but has faded lately. He still is only 24 though and could be very healthy competition for Davies too. This sounds good to me, but we'll see if it materializes.
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Post by theteacher on Aug 21, 2020 7:40:40 GMT
If we get Gunn + cash for Butland I think we will have done ever so well in this situation. Even if the cash part isn't that big it will hopefully be a good move, not only for financial reasons, but for footballing reasons as well. First of all I think Jack is one of our highest earners, and hopefully we are wise enough to reduce the amount spent on wages considerably with a swap with Gunn, maybe as low as a fourth of what Jack gets? If Jack is as quoted on £60K per week!!?? I guess Gunn will be offered less than a fourth of that. Jack is finished at Stoke and with only one year left of his contract too. Gunn is a player in a little bit of the same situation as Jack, was very promising, started well, but has faded lately. He still is only 24 though and could be very healthy competition for Davies too. This sounds good to me, but we'll see if it materializes. A keeper who cost a reported £13.5m purchased from Manchester City by another Premier League club will be on more than £15k/week.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 21, 2020 7:41:48 GMT
If we get Gunn + cash for Butland I think we will have done ever so well in this situation. Even if the cash part isn't that big it will hopefully be a good move, not only for financial reasons, but for footballing reasons as well. First of all I think Jack is one of our highest earners, and hopefully we are wise enough to reduce the amount spent on wages considerably with a swap with Gunn, maybe as low as a fourth of what Jack gets? If Jack is as quoted on £60K per week!!?? I guess Gunn will be offered less than a fourth of that. Jack is finished at Stoke and with only one year left of his contract too. Gunn is a player in a little bit of the same situation as Jack, was very promising, started well, but has faded lately. He still is only 24 though and could be very healthy competition for Davies too. This sounds good to me, but we'll see if it materializes. Jack is not on £60k a week. Gunn will be on Premier League wages. I have no idea what they are but you would imagine that they might be more than £15k a week. Gunn will not come here to be ‘competition’ for Davies. He could stay at Southampton for that. If he comes it will be as number 1.
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Post by Gods on Aug 21, 2020 7:58:58 GMT
I wonder, did MON see enough of Davies in those 4 games at the fag end of last season to be convinced he's our #1 for next season if Jack leaves?
MON is a belt and braces man and I don't think so, if Jack leaves we will sign another keeper but not this one, someone experienced, 30+ years of age and hopefully not crazy expensive FFP and all that.
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Post by tachyon on Aug 21, 2020 8:33:06 GMT
Not sure where everyone's getting this "Gunn plays it out from the back" stuff.
He profiles as a typical long ball keeper. He adds a well below average amount of possession value with his completed passes & gives away a well above average amount of possession value with incompletions.
He's been in the top five for keepers who kick long in both PL seasons at Southampton.
He doesn't ping it long, but find his man either (a la Ederson). He's one of the lowest completion rates when kicking deep.
He's made around half a dozen out of his box interceptions this season, if that qualifies him as a sweeper keeper.
And he has the second worst save/shot difficulty in the PL in 2019/20. Kepa's last.
It's moot anyway because
a) he'll play the ball out how MON tells him to and b) he most probably won't be a Stoke player in 2020/21.
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Post by EccyStokie on Aug 21, 2020 8:37:02 GMT
If we get Gunn + cash for Butland I think we will have done ever so well in this situation. Even if the cash part isn't that big it will hopefully be a good move, not only for financial reasons, but for footballing reasons as well. First of all I think Jack is one of our highest earners, and hopefully we are wise enough to reduce the amount spent on wages considerably with a swap with Gunn, maybe as low as a fourth of what Jack gets? If Jack is as quoted on £60K per week!!?? I guess Gunn will be offered less than a fourth of that. Jack is finished at Stoke and with only one year left of his contract too. Gunn is a player in a little bit of the same situation as Jack, was very promising, started well, but has faded lately. He still is only 24 though and could be very healthy competition for Davies too. This sounds good to me, but we'll see if it materializes. It would be Butland + cash if we want Gunn permanently
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 21, 2020 8:46:12 GMT
Not sure where everyone's getting this "Gunn plays it out from the back" stuff.
He profiles as a typical long ball keeper. He adds a well below average amount of possession value with his completed passes & gives away a well above average amount of possession value with incompletions. He's been in the top five for keepers who kick long in both PL seasons at Southampton. He doesn't ping it long, but find his man either (a la Ederson). He's one of the lowest completion rates when kicking deep. He's made around half a dozen out of his box interceptions this season, if that qualifies him as a sweeper keeper. And he has the second worst save/shot difficulty in the PL in 2019/20. Kepa's last. It's moot anyway because a) he'll play the ball out how MON tells him to and b) he most probably won't be a Stoke player in 2020/21. Mostly we are getting our information from the Oatcake's resident genius - the poster known the world over as bayernoatcake. Bayern knows far more about football than any statistical experts such as yourself. Indeed it was probably both him and you who Michael Gove had in mind when he told the country during the Brexit Referendum that "this country has had enough of experts." That said - I personally found your post both interesting and illuminating but I am swimming against a very strong tide when I say I preferred your analysis to that of bayern. It is you and I against the world tachyon.
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Post by lordb on Aug 21, 2020 8:53:58 GMT
If we get Gunn + cash for Butland I think we will have done ever so well in this situation. Even if the cash part isn't that big it will hopefully be a good move, not only for financial reasons, but for footballing reasons as well. First of all I think Jack is one of our highest earners, and hopefully we are wise enough to reduce the amount spent on wages considerably with a swap with Gunn, maybe as low as a fourth of what Jack gets? If Jack is as quoted on £60K per week!!?? I guess Gunn will be offered less than a fourth of that. Jack is finished at Stoke and with only one year left of his contract too. Gunn is a player in a little bit of the same situation as Jack, was very promising, started well, but has faded lately. He still is only 24 though and could be very healthy competition for Davies too. This sounds good to me, but we'll see if it materializes. A keeper who cost a reported £13.5m purchased from Manchester City by another Premier League club will be on more than £15k/week. Don't think any Stoke players are on more than £30k a week, now, either
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Post by mattythestokie on Aug 21, 2020 8:56:57 GMT
A keeper who cost a reported £13.5m purchased from Manchester City by another Premier League club will be on more than £15k/week. Don't think any Stoke players are on more than £30k a week, now, either Joe Allen? Alan Nixon said last season he was highest earning in the league I think.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Aug 21, 2020 8:58:29 GMT
We all knpw well end up with westwood from sheff wed.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2020 9:00:33 GMT
A keeper who cost a reported £13.5m purchased from Manchester City by another Premier League club will be on more than £15k/week. Don't think any Stoke players are on more than £30k a week, now, either I'd be surprise if there wasn't tbh, we gave new contracts out when we got relegated etc, didn't Allen get one (could be mistaken), no way he's stayed here knowing he could get double or more if he moved.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 21, 2020 9:46:58 GMT
If we get Gunn + cash for Butland I think we will have done ever so well in this situation. Even if the cash part isn't that big it will hopefully be a good move, not only for financial reasons, but for footballing reasons as well. First of all I think Jack is one of our highest earners, and hopefully we are wise enough to reduce the amount spent on wages considerably with a swap with Gunn, maybe as low as a fourth of what Jack gets? If Jack is as quoted on £60K per week!!?? I guess Gunn will be offered less than a fourth of that. Jack is finished at Stoke and with only one year left of his contract too. Gunn is a player in a little bit of the same situation as Jack, was very promising, started well, but has faded lately. He still is only 24 though and could be very healthy competition for Davies too. This sounds good to me, but we'll see if it materializes. A keeper who cost a reported £13.5m purchased from Manchester City by another Premier League club will be on more than £15k/week. With the coranavirus and the wage cap coming I think that is necessary.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 21, 2020 9:49:10 GMT
If we get Gunn + cash for Butland I think we will have done ever so well in this situation. Even if the cash part isn't that big it will hopefully be a good move, not only for financial reasons, but for footballing reasons as well. First of all I think Jack is one of our highest earners, and hopefully we are wise enough to reduce the amount spent on wages considerably with a swap with Gunn, maybe as low as a fourth of what Jack gets? If Jack is as quoted on £60K per week!!?? I guess Gunn will be offered less than a fourth of that. Jack is finished at Stoke and with only one year left of his contract too. Gunn is a player in a little bit of the same situation as Jack, was very promising, started well, but has faded lately. He still is only 24 though and could be very healthy competition for Davies too. This sounds good to me, but we'll see if it materializes. Jack is not on £60k a week. Gunn will be on Premier League wages. I have no idea what they are but you would imagine that they might be more than £15k a week. Gunn will not come here to be ‘competition’ for Davies. He could stay at Southampton for that. If he comes it will be as number 1. Time will tell.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 21, 2020 9:51:07 GMT
If we get Gunn + cash for Butland I think we will have done ever so well in this situation. Even if the cash part isn't that big it will hopefully be a good move, not only for financial reasons, but for footballing reasons as well. First of all I think Jack is one of our highest earners, and hopefully we are wise enough to reduce the amount spent on wages considerably with a swap with Gunn, maybe as low as a fourth of what Jack gets? If Jack is as quoted on £60K per week!!?? I guess Gunn will be offered less than a fourth of that. Jack is finished at Stoke and with only one year left of his contract too. Gunn is a player in a little bit of the same situation as Jack, was very promising, started well, but has faded lately. He still is only 24 though and could be very healthy competition for Davies too. This sounds good to me, but we'll see if it materializes. It would be Butland + cash if we want Gunn permanently Not what I read on the different sites, but you might be right. Time will tell though!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 9:54:23 GMT
Don't think any Stoke players are on more than £30k a week, now, either I'd be surprise if there wasn't tbh, we gave new contracts out when we got relegated etc, didn't Allen get one (could be mistaken), no way he's stayed here knowing he could get double or more if he moved. Allen, Bauer (ouch) and Shawcross are the only players earning above £30k I've been told. There's a whole host that earn between £20-30k.......
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 21, 2020 9:58:03 GMT
I guess all our players had to accept a big reduction in their wages when we were relegated, but if I remember this correctly, Shawcross, Allen, Butland and Bauer were offered improved contracts to that. I don't know how much they get every week, but I wouldn't be surprised if those wages are very high. Badou is said to be on £35K per week as an example.
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Post by EccyStokie on Aug 21, 2020 10:16:45 GMT
It would be Butland + cash if we want Gunn permanently Not what I read on the different sites, but you might be right. Time will tell though! I’d love to be wrong. Would certainly go some way to making up for the crappy end of the stick deals we’ve done over the last few years!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 10:17:19 GMT
He is the son of former Norwich and Scotland Goalkeeper, Bryan.
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Post by biglad180 on Aug 21, 2020 11:29:41 GMT
personally i would rather we go for Frazer Foster he is a beast of a keeper
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Post by nantwichtownpotter on Aug 21, 2020 11:34:24 GMT
personally i would rather we go for Frazer Foster he is a beast of a keeper And he fits nowhere near the budget, he is reportedly on £80k per week
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Post by biglad180 on Aug 21, 2020 11:35:52 GMT
personally i would rather we go for Frazer Foster he is a beast of a keeper And he fits nowhere near the budget, he is reportedly on £80k per week forget that then
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 21, 2020 13:24:39 GMT
personally i would rather we go for Frazer Foster he is a beast of a keeper I hope you’re joking, he’s had a worse drop-off in form than Jack in the past few seasons. Not even close to being #2 there now.
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Post by biglad180 on Aug 21, 2020 13:42:06 GMT
personally i would rather we go for Frazer Foster he is a beast of a keeper I hope you’re joking, he’s had a worse drop-off in form than Jack in the past few seasons. Not even close to being #2 there now. thought he was celtic player of the year last season,might be wrong,
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 21, 2020 14:00:59 GMT
Gunn rumoured to be on 45k a week!!
I would be amazed if our offer to the Saints was anything other than we will take him for a season on loan, paying 50% of his wages during that time, get something like 5m cash for Butland, and let Joe Bursik get a year's experience in League One before he comes back to be our number one when Gunn goes back (only wrinkle to that could be if we get promoted and Gunn stars, so we look to sign him permanently next summer).
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Post by lordb on Aug 21, 2020 14:05:03 GMT
Gunn rumoured to be on 45k a week!! I would be amazed if our offer to the Saints was anything other than we will take him for a season on loan, paying 50% of his wages during that time, get something like 5m cash for Butland, and let Joe Bursik get a year's experience in League One before he comes back to be our number one when Gunn goes back (only wrinkle to that could be if we get promoted and Gunn stars, so we look to sign him permanently next summer). If Gunn is on that much then it would have to be a loan.
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Post by EccyStokie on Aug 21, 2020 14:45:16 GMT
Gunn rumoured to be on 45k a week!! I would be amazed if our offer to the Saints was anything other than we will take him for a season on loan, paying 50% of his wages during that time, get something like 5m cash for Butland, and let Joe Bursik get a year's experience in League One before he comes back to be our number one when Gunn goes back (only wrinkle to that could be if we get promoted and Gunn stars, so we look to sign him permanently next summer). Spot on. I said exactly the same a few pages back. The values of the 2 players just don’t match up unfortunately. Perhaps Butland/Forster are a closer match. Southampton could just aswell keep Gunn for a season and get Jack for nowt next summer. Unless the Southampton scouts haven’t been paying attention to Butlands performances these past 3 years 😂
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 21, 2020 14:46:04 GMT
I hope you’re joking, he’s had a worse drop-off in form than Jack in the past few seasons. Not even close to being #2 there now. thought he was celtic player of the year last season,might be wrong, Haha ok to be fair I didn't realise he'd been loaned back to Celtic, was going off what my Saints fan mate says. Maybe he's picked back up but let's just say he's far from complimentary.
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Post by superjonscape on Aug 21, 2020 14:46:47 GMT
Gunn rumoured to be on 45k a week!! I would be amazed if our offer to the Saints was anything other than we will take him for a season on loan, paying 50% of his wages during that time, get something like 5m cash for Butland, and let Joe Bursik get a year's experience in League One before he comes back to be our number one when Gunn goes back (only wrinkle to that could be if we get promoted and Gunn stars, so we look to sign him permanently next summer). If Gunn is on that much then it would have to be a loan. Looks that way and we pay 50% of his wage. At this point selli g butland for £10m and loaning gunn for a season paying 50% of his wages would do nicely
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Post by EccyStokie on Aug 21, 2020 14:52:38 GMT
I hope you’re joking, he’s had a worse drop-off in form than Jack in the past few seasons. Not even close to being #2 there now. thought he was celtic player of the year last season,might be wrong, Edouard was player of the season. Forster was nominated though, had a good season by all accounts.
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 21, 2020 15:04:47 GMT
Not sure where everyone's getting this "Gunn plays it out from the back" stuff. He profiles as a typical long ball keeper. He adds a well below average amount of possession value with his completed passes & gives away a well above average amount of possession value with incompletions. He's been in the top five for keepers who kick long in both PL seasons at Southampton. He doesn't ping it long, but find his man either (a la Ederson). He's one of the lowest completion rates when kicking deep. He's made around half a dozen out of his box interceptions this season, if that qualifies him as a sweeper keeper. And he has the second worst save/shot difficulty in the PL in 2019/20. Kepa's last. It's moot anyway because a) he'll play the ball out how MON tells him to and b) he most probably won't be a Stoke player in 2020/21. The general impression of Gunn is that he's a young, promising keeper but that he's a confidence player who only performs well when he has a strong defence in front of him. Our centre-halves are still pretty average and we don't need another keeper making howlers due to the inadequacies of Chester and Baath. If Butland goes in a swap deal for Gunn then we may end just getting like-for-like for a season... albeit pocketing circa £10m from Jack's sale, and come to think of it for that reason alone, it might be worth bringing in Gunn.
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