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Post by lordb on Aug 21, 2020 16:08:08 GMT
If Gunn is on that much then it would have to be a loan. Looks that way and we pay 50% of his wage. At this point selli g butland for £10m and loaning gunn for a season paying 50% of his wages would do nicely Surely there is no chance of that high a fee now for Butland?
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Post by superjonscape on Aug 21, 2020 16:11:47 GMT
Looks that way and we pay 50% of his wage. At this point selli g butland for £10m and loaning gunn for a season paying 50% of his wages would do nicely Surely there is no chance of that high a fee now for Butland? i think so, not because he is any good but because he is English and a name, 10m in todays market is a punt from premiership clubs
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 21, 2020 16:16:00 GMT
Surely there is no chance of that high a fee now for Butland? i think so, not because he is any good but because he is English and a name, 10m in todays market is a punt from premiership clubs I'd have thought that any fee would be closer to £5 million. Southampton aren't the sort of club to offer well over the odds. Given that he only has a year left on his contract, they aren't going to go much above £5 million and if I were Stoke I'd settle for £5 million. That's only £2 million less than we got for N'Zonzi, who also had a year left on his contract - and he was playing brilliantly!
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 21, 2020 16:21:37 GMT
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Post by superjonscape on Aug 21, 2020 16:45:56 GMT
i think so, not because he is any good but because he is English and a name, 10m in todays market is a punt from premiership clubs I'd have thought that any fee would be closer to £5 million. Southampton aren't the sort of club to offer well over the odds. Given that he only has a year left on his contract, they aren't going to go much above £5 million and if I were Stoke I'd settle for £5 million. That's only £2 million less than we got for N'Zonzi, who also had a year left on his contract - and he was playing brilliantly! I would accept five million also, he needs to be gone this window for my own liking. I'd be asking Tony Pulis' advice at this point about a suitable replacement. He has a knack of identifying decent GK's. That michel Vorm is a free agent, i'd happily sell Butland for £5m and take him for a season
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 20, 2020 6:42:15 GMT
Sunday Mirror
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 20, 2020 6:44:55 GMT
. Jack warming to Southampton move now chelsea have made their move?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 20, 2020 6:48:28 GMT
. Jack warming to Southampton move now chelsea have made their move? Possibly, but would he have been on their list? Southampton have got McCarthy and Forster there though - so wonder where he'd fit?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 20, 2020 7:02:53 GMT
If true, presumably he'd be coming as clear number 1 as a big earner? He's got three more years on Prem money at Southampton - signed as a £10m player who'd been in the England squad
He wouldn't be coming to sit on a Champo bench
What happens to Davies?
Obviously it's good to have competition, but there's normally a clear pecking order with keepers and he's always looked a bit too good and on too good a contract to be a Championship back-up keeper?
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Post by werrington on Sept 20, 2020 7:24:57 GMT
If true, presumably he'd be coming as clear number 1 as a big earner? He's got three more years on Prem money at Southampton - signed as a £10m player who'd been in the England squad He wouldn't be coming to sit on a Champo bench What happens to Davies? Obviously it's good to have competition, but there's normally a clear pecking order with keepers and he's always looked a bit too good and on too good a contract to be a Championship back-up keeper? And the highly rated Bursik whose only on loan and will be back next season vying for a spot which will be very difficult with two keepers on long contracts Where does it leave him as Gunn is no short term stop gap? If this story is true of course
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 20, 2020 7:33:58 GMT
If true, presumably he'd be coming as clear number 1 as a big earner? He's got three more years on Prem money at Southampton - signed as a £10m player who'd been in the England squad He wouldn't be coming to sit on a Champo bench What happens to Davies? Obviously it's good to have competition, but there's normally a clear pecking order with keepers and he's always looked a bit too good and on too good a contract to be a Championship back-up keeper? And the highly rated Bursik whose only on loan and will be back next season vying for a spot which will be very difficult with two keepers on long contracts Where does it leave him as Gunn is no short term stop gap? If this story is true of course Yeah, we seem to have a conveyor belt of prospects. Bursik (20), Blondy (19), Broome (18) all getting international honours - but always a dilemma about when you can chuck in a young keeper, and they aren't natural No.2s as they need to get games. Having a relative youngster like Gunn as a No.1 on a big contract would clog the system up on paper - but you never know how the cards are going to fall. Davies would be the prime casualty and he'd have every right to feel aggrieved and look to move - but it's MON's call (if true!) He obviously signed fully expecting to be our No.1 (and on first-choice keeper wages as a Bosman) - and to be gazumped for a second time, this time after a relatively assured little spell in the team would seem hard to take
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Post by neddy on Sept 20, 2020 7:37:01 GMT
Wonder if this sees any benefit re ffp? I suppose if he were to go for nothing next year at least we get something back?
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Post by discodave on Sept 20, 2020 7:40:50 GMT
Big shout out to Adam Davies
Pardon the pun but he has seized his opportunity with both hands
What next for Jack?...His agent has to find a new start for him
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Post by werrington on Sept 20, 2020 7:41:57 GMT
And the highly rated Bursik whose only on loan and will be back next season vying for a spot which will be very difficult with two keepers on long contracts Where does it leave him as Gunn is no short term stop gap? If this story is true of course Yeah, we seem to have a conveyor belt of prospects. Bursik (20), Blondy (19), Broome (18) all getting international honours - but always a dilemma about when you can chuck in a young keeper, and they aren't natural No.2s as they need to get games. Having a relative youngster like Gunn as a No.1 on a big contract would clog the system up on paper - but you never know how the cards are going to fall. Davies would be the prime casualty and he'd have every right to feel aggrieved and look to move - but it's MON's call (if true!) He obviously signed fully expecting to be our No.1 (and on first-choice keeper wages as a Bosman) - and to be gazumped for a second time, this time after a relatively assured little spell in the team would seem hard to take It wouldn’t be a case of throwing Bursik in as he’ll be 21 with league experience over two seasons He’ll come back ready to be selected
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Post by zerps on Sept 20, 2020 7:42:52 GMT
Butland was the prime reason for our entire demise.
Bye Jack 😂
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 20, 2020 7:47:54 GMT
Yeah, we seem to have a conveyor belt of prospects. Bursik (20), Blondy (19), Broome (18) all getting international honours - but always a dilemma about when you can chuck in a young keeper, and they aren't natural No.2s as they need to get games. Having a relative youngster like Gunn as a No.1 on a big contract would clog the system up on paper - but you never know how the cards are going to fall. Davies would be the prime casualty and he'd have every right to feel aggrieved and look to move - but it's MON's call (if true!) He obviously signed fully expecting to be our No.1 (and on first-choice keeper wages as a Bosman) - and to be gazumped for a second time, this time after a relatively assured little spell in the team would seem hard to take It wouldn’t be a case of throwing Bursik in as he’ll be 21 with league experience over two seasons He’ll come back ready to be selected Yeah - tricky situation. I don't know enough about the potential of Bursik or Gunn to make the call. Presumably the relevant people have watched pretty much every minute of Bursik's loans so will know exactly what level of prospect he is - and are positioned to compare that to Gunn (promising youngster at Man City, excellent at Norwich and very poor at Southampton?) Didn't our keeper coach have something to do with Man City while he was there too?
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Post by werrington on Sept 20, 2020 7:57:39 GMT
It wouldn’t be a case of throwing Bursik in as he’ll be 21 with league experience over two seasons He’ll come back ready to be selected Yeah - tricky situation. I don't know enough about the potential of Bursik or Gunn to make the call. Presumably the relevant people have watched pretty much every minute of Bursik's loans so will know exactly what level of prospect he is - and are positioned to compare that to Gunn (promising youngster at Man City, excellent at Norwich and very poor at Southampton?) Didn't our keeper coach have something to do with Man City while he was there too? Not sure tbh but you’d have to doubt Bursik long term future if we sign Gunn
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 20, 2020 8:03:25 GMT
I think taking Gunn is a long shot for us
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 20, 2020 8:04:22 GMT
Yeah - tricky situation. I don't know enough about the potential of Bursik or Gunn to make the call. Presumably the relevant people have watched pretty much every minute of Bursik's loans so will know exactly what level of prospect he is - and are positioned to compare that to Gunn (promising youngster at Man City, excellent at Norwich and very poor at Southampton?) Didn't our keeper coach have something to do with Man City while he was there too? Not sure tbh but you’d have to doubt Bursik long term future if we sign Gunn Yeah, suppose you'd have to on the face of it. But you can never guess how things will work out. It's a funny old game with unexpected twists and turns - and obviously the Gunn link may yet be bollocks. But it's strange that the not-often-wrong Paul Joyce dredged it up (then deleted the tweet), and now it's resurfaced a few weeks on
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Post by kerouac on Sept 20, 2020 8:20:18 GMT
I’d have given Jack both barrels a long while ago,we’re a different outfit with Davies in the sticks.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 20, 2020 8:25:52 GMT
Jack warming to Southampton move now chelsea have made their move? Possibly, but would he have been on their list? Southampton have got McCarthy and Forster there though - so wonder where he'd fit? Not on Chelsea's no.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 20, 2020 8:27:16 GMT
Possibly, but would he have been on their list? Southampton have got McCarthy and Forster there though - so wonder where he'd fit? Not on Chelsea's no. Oh, I get you - Pope to Chelsea and Butland in at Burnley? Yeah - if that door's closed off maybe he's prepared to take his chances at Soton?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 20, 2020 8:30:08 GMT
Oh, I get you - Pope to Chelsea and Butland in at Burnley? Yeah - if that door's closed off maybe he's prepared to take his chances at Soton? I can't believe one of the big clubs hasn't come in for Pope. The obsession with keepers being good with their feet (as good as an outfield player) is now bordering on the ridiculous.
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Post by lordb on Sept 20, 2020 8:35:41 GMT
Oh, I get you - Pope to Chelsea and Butland in at Burnley? Yeah - if that door's closed off maybe he's prepared to take his chances at Soton? I can't believe one of the big clubs hasn't come in for Pope. The obsession with keepers being good with their feet (as good as an outfield player) is now bordering on the ridiculous. Does not being picked for England make it harder?
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Post by chell_rosey on Sept 20, 2020 8:56:50 GMT
I think taking Gunn is a long shot for us But he's the right calibre.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 20, 2020 8:57:35 GMT
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Post by DentySCFC on Sept 20, 2020 9:02:39 GMT
Surely any deal would involve Gunn coming here on loan? Surely Southampton aren’t writing off a £10m signing for a keeper they can agree to sign on a free in January?
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 20, 2020 9:06:50 GMT
Unless Gunn is willing to come to Stoke and earn considerably less I really can't see this happening. Must be better to sell Butland, even for a small fee, to get rid of his wages and get some money due to FFP!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 20, 2020 9:27:36 GMT
I can't believe one of the big clubs hasn't come in for Pope. The obsession with keepers being good with their feet (as good as an outfield player) is now bordering on the ridiculous. Does not being picked for England make it harder? Possibly...especially given that pickford is shite
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Post by lordb on Sept 20, 2020 9:30:03 GMT
Does not being picked for England make it harder? Possibly...especially given that pickford is shite I know this a minority view however I think Pickford has done fine for England. He looks a liability at times for Everton though. Given Pope and Henderson have been outstanding they should be getting caps ASAP
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