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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2021 15:36:56 GMT
We should have sold Butland when we got relegated. That was obvious. It angers me when I think about the likes of Krul (free), Johnstone, Henderson etc all being available that summer. So bloody annoying isn't it. I wanted Krul and for Butland to be sold. It was such a no brainer. It was like no one at the club could see how shit it had got.
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Post by lordb on May 25, 2021 16:14:04 GMT
who came in for Butland? what bids did we turn down?
cant sell a player unless you have a buyer
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 25, 2021 16:31:56 GMT
Has he got long left on his contract? Unless they've snuck another year on quietly, he's one of the big gang who've only got a year left. So looks like it's quite a big call what to do with him. He certainly won't want a season on the bench or be in any hurry at all to extend if he's not No.1. So do we sell him this summer if Bursik is going to be No. 1? - and how much of a market would there be for him? Can't see anyone willing to pay big for him That's why I was asking tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if we sold him, surely it has to be one or the other, we shouldn't be just letting it run out.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2021 16:47:57 GMT
who came in for Butland? what bids did we turn down? cant sell a player unless you have a buyer You can hawk him around. Which is what we should have been doing. Same for Allen. There would have been takers. It was a no brainer. Two of the biggest issues on the pitch. Two players who still had a reputation that would have seen 20/30m come into the club. And two of the biggest wages off the bill.
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Post by lordb on May 25, 2021 17:26:04 GMT
who came in for Butland? what bids did we turn down? cant sell a player unless you have a buyer You can hawk him around. Which is what we should have been doing. Same for Allen. There would have been takers. It was a no brainer. Two of the biggest issues on the pitch. Two players who still had a reputation that would have seen 20/30m come into the club. And two of the biggest wages off the bill. Not convinced by that at all Without benefit of a time machine we will never know
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 17:27:55 GMT
who came in for Butland? what bids did we turn down? cant sell a player unless you have a buyer There were 2 similar sized clubs who inquired. Jack didn't fancy it and saw it as a sideways step because for some reason he, the other players, the management and the board thought we'd piss the league and go straight back up.
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Post by GoBoks on May 25, 2021 17:30:11 GMT
You can hawk him around. Which is what we should have been doing. Same for Allen. There would have been takers. It was a no brainer. Two of the biggest issues on the pitch. Two players who still had a reputation that would have seen 20/30m come into the club. And two of the biggest wages off the bill. Not convinced by that at all Without benefit of a time machine we will never know I tried this on FM and it worked a charm! Scholes Out!
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2021 19:08:49 GMT
You can hawk him around. Which is what we should have been doing. Same for Allen. There would have been takers. It was a no brainer. Two of the biggest issues on the pitch. Two players who still had a reputation that would have seen 20/30m come into the club. And two of the biggest wages off the bill. Not convinced by that at all Without benefit of a time machine we will never know All of it was clear. Butland was done and Allen has never been anything but done. You don't need a time machine for that.
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Post by lordb on May 25, 2021 19:32:55 GMT
Not convinced by that at all Without benefit of a time machine we will never know All of it was clear. Butland was done and Allen has never been anything but done. You don't need a time machine for that. You do need a time machine to demonstrate that clubs would have bid for them had we 'hawked them about'. As it is after relegation not aware any bids West Ham big for Allen but that was the January before relegation.
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Post by LGH87 on May 25, 2021 21:38:01 GMT
Instead we offered them both contracts to ward of interest and tie them down long term.
If we’d had made them both available that summer we’d have raised 25-30m for the pair I’m convinced of it. Their stock remained high.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 25, 2021 21:44:35 GMT
Instead we offered them both contracts to ward of interest and tie them down long term. If we’d had made them both available that summer we’d have raised 25-30m for the pair I’m convinced of it. Their stock remained high. I bet you are in a pretty small minority if you really think we could have got £25m - £30m for the pair. Butland was already clearly on a down slope by the end of the relegation season and Allen never really had the profile to be sold for more than we paid for him. If we did get offers - I doubt if the combined value would have been much above £15m and possibly closer to £10m.
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Post by kjpt140v on May 25, 2021 21:55:37 GMT
Bursik is doing fine but it's great to have two quality 'keepers so let's keep it going that way. Predictions on value are a little dangerous, Butland comes to mind. We should have sold Butland when we got relegated. That was obvious. We thought we'd be back, even so we wouldn't have got much for him.
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Post by LGH87 on May 26, 2021 7:42:13 GMT
Instead we offered them both contracts to ward of interest and tie them down long term. If we’d had made them both available that summer we’d have raised 25-30m for the pair I’m convinced of it. Their stock remained high. I bet you are in a pretty small minority if you really think we could have got £25m - £30m for the pair. Butland was already clearly on a down slope by the end of the relegation season and Allen never really had the profile to be sold for more than we paid for him. If we did get offers - I doubt if the combined value would have been much above £15m and possibly closer to £10m. Butland was still making England squads at the time, Angus Gunn was sold for £14m that same summer without a Premier League appearance & one full season of Championship football under his belt, of course we'd have got £15m at least for Butland. Allen despite what us as Stoke fans think of him, seems to have a good reputation within football still and his performances for Wales will always stand him in good stead, I'd be very surprised if we couldn't have raised at least the £12m that we paid or maybe even a couple more.
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Post by Clem Fandango on May 26, 2021 8:28:59 GMT
I bet you are in a pretty small minority if you really think we could have got £25m - £30m for the pair. Butland was already clearly on a down slope by the end of the relegation season and Allen never really had the profile to be sold for more than we paid for him. If we did get offers - I doubt if the combined value would have been much above £15m and possibly closer to £10m. Butland was still making England squads at the time, Angus Gunn was sold for £14m that same summer without a Premier League appearance & one full season of Championship football under his belt, of course we'd have got £15m at least for Butland. Allen despite what us as Stoke fans think of him, seems to have a good reputation within football still and his performances for Wales will always stand him in good stead, I'd be very surprised if we couldn't have raised at least the £12m that we paid or maybe even a couple more. Especially since last summer Ramsdale went for 18.5 mill as well after one season in goal for Bournemouth.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 26, 2021 12:21:08 GMT
Butland was still making England squads at the time, Angus Gunn was sold for £14m that same summer without a Premier League appearance & one full season of Championship football under his belt, of course we'd have got £15m at least for Butland. Allen despite what us as Stoke fans think of him, seems to have a good reputation within football still and his performances for Wales will always stand him in good stead, I'd be very surprised if we couldn't have raised at least the £12m that we paid or maybe even a couple more. Especially since last summer Ramsdale went for 18.5 mill as well after one season in goal for Bournemouth. I'm sure Butland could have been sold for £18.5 million (or more!) at the end of his first season in goal for Stoke. Unfortunately, by the time we got relegated, he had a couple of dodgy seasons on his CV to counterbalance that excellent first season.
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Post by Wizbit on May 26, 2021 12:43:21 GMT
With Gunn not coming back and Heaton looking like going to Man Utd would be great to get Grant back as our back up and maybe move Davies on for a half decent fee, Grant is solid and would help Bursik and others develop
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Post by Veritas on May 26, 2021 12:53:37 GMT
With Gunn not coming back and Heaton looking like going to Man Utd would be great to get Grant back as our back up and maybe move Davies on for a half decent fee, Grant is solid and would help Bursik and others develop Grant was solid when we last saw him three years ago, now? As for coaching/mentoring, I have no idea and I suspect neither do you.
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Post by Wizbit on May 26, 2021 13:20:26 GMT
With Gunn not coming back and Heaton looking like going to Man Utd would be great to get Grant back as our back up and maybe move Davies on for a half decent fee, Grant is solid and would help Bursik and others develop Grant was solid when we last saw him three years ago, now? As for coaching/mentoring, I have no idea and I suspect neither do you. Well from listening to him speak in various interviews for one but hey who am I to have an opinion on a public message board rolls eyes and shakes head
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Post by Veritas on May 26, 2021 13:52:11 GMT
Grant was solid when we last saw him three years ago, now? As for coaching/mentoring, I have no idea and I suspect neither do you. Well from listening to him speak in various interviews for one but hey who am I to have an opinion on a public message board rolls eyes and shakes head Oh touchy! Not meant as a criticism just pointing out it would be a bit of a blind throw of the dice. Personally I would stick with Bursik and Davies battling it out and would fully expect Bursik to come out on top.
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Post by Wizbit on May 26, 2021 14:30:51 GMT
Well from listening to him speak in various interviews for one but hey who am I to have an opinion on a public message board rolls eyes and shakes head Oh touchy! Not meant as a criticism just pointing out it would be a bit of a blind throw of the dice. Personally I would stick with Bursik and Davies battling it out and would fully expect Bursik to come out on top. I have no idea if Bursik will come out on top , I suspect neither do you !
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Post by Veritas on May 26, 2021 14:39:47 GMT
Oh touchy! Not meant as a criticism just pointing out it would be a bit of a blind throw of the dice. Personally I would stick with Bursik and Davies battling it out and would fully expect Bursik to come out on top. I have no idea if Bursik will come out on top , I suspect neither do you ! Having seen both recently I suspect I do, weren't you watching?
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Post by Wizbit on May 26, 2021 15:15:31 GMT
I have no idea if Bursik will come out on top , I suspect neither do you ! Having seen both recently I suspect I do, weren't you watching? I suspect you only like the sound of your own voice … enjoy your evening
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 28, 2021 22:04:25 GMT
All of it was clear. Butland was done and Allen has never been anything but done. You don't need a time machine for that. You do need a time machine to demonstrate that clubs would have bid for them had we 'hawked them about'. As it is after relegation not aware any bids West Ham big for Allen but that was the January before relegation. No you don’t. There would have been offers. Both were held in high esteem. The fact Butland got a PL move when he was playing to a League One standard showed the reputation he still had even then. And people think Allen is good even now. We would have had offers. Not selling them was a massive mistake by our useless owners and their incompetent CEO.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 22:08:54 GMT
You do need a time machine to demonstrate that clubs would have bid for them had we 'hawked them about'. As it is after relegation not aware any bids West Ham big for Allen but that was the January before relegation. No you don’t. There would have been offers. Both were held in high esteem. The fact Butland got a PL move when he was playing to a League One standard showed the reputation he still had even then. And people think Allen is good even now. We would have had offers. Not selling them was a massive mistake by our useless owners and their incompetent CEO. Why not send our useless owners a blueprint of how a business should be run
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 28, 2021 22:12:26 GMT
No you don’t. There would have been offers. Both were held in high esteem. The fact Butland got a PL move when he was playing to a League One standard showed the reputation he still had even then. And people think Allen is good even now. We would have had offers. Not selling them was a massive mistake by our useless owners and their incompetent CEO. Why not send our useless owners a blueprint of how a business should be run Are you actually defending them? They’re totally incompetent.
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