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Post by jeycov on Mar 13, 2018 10:55:37 GMT
First of all he was prepared to take on the considerable challenge of our club in potential free fall We only know of 2 "candidates " who turned us down - lots of rumours linking us with others Just like players that we would like to see here - it's a two way process and potential incomings need to want to be here. It was a choice between keeping Hughes or getting someone with experience to take on the job. Most unlikely to sign a very short term contract until the end of the season Hindsight Hughes should have gone much earlier, we need to move on Most players seem to be supporting Lambert and we need to do the same Its hard to support him when his squad selection as nearly as bad as Hughes'. Who would you have chosen to start at 7pm last night, ( rather than judging after the game)? My main concern was the likes of Johnson, Fletcher and Adam being on the bench
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Post by thegift on Mar 13, 2018 10:59:34 GMT
Its hard to support him when his squad selection as nearly as bad as Hughes'. Who would you have chosen to start at 7pm last night, ( rather than judging after the game)? My main concern was the likes of Johnson, Fletcher and Adam being on the bench Crouch up top Jese on bench Ramdan in for choupo Not having adam, johnson and fletcher on the bench. Pieters instead of staffy.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 13, 2018 11:00:51 GMT
We should’ve gone for Jokanovic when we had the chance. I can't like this enough.... I've been saying it since "LAST" season!!!
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Mar 13, 2018 11:43:08 GMT
If fat boy Charlie hadn’t missed a last minute penalty and flapper didn’t decide to throw one in his own net a week after. Lamberts record at Stoke would have been impressive. Also it’s not his fault that every forward we have on the books are a bag of shit and have been for 2 seasons. He claimed to know our squad inside and out etc., when he was appointed. He therefore must've known the striker situation. He was here for much of the transfer window and yet we didn't bring in a striker. He needed to make the board aware that we needed a striker and that he was only prepared to accept appointment if we were making a real and serious attempt to bring one in. The fact that hasn't happened seems to either mean he was complicit in the situation when the window closed ..... or ..... he was just happy to be back managing a club no matter how much the will was lacking in the owners to keep us up. ..... neither scenarios are particularly positive. Why would he only accept a highly paid job with a potential £1M bonus on the condition he could sign a striker in January? He was out of work FFS!
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Post by thegift on Mar 13, 2018 11:48:10 GMT
He claimed to know our squad inside and out etc., when he was appointed. He therefore must've known the striker situation. He was here for much of the transfer window and yet we didn't bring in a striker. He needed to make the board aware that we needed a striker and that he was only prepared to accept appointment if we were making a real and serious attempt to bring one in. The fact that hasn't happened seems to either mean he was complicit in the situation when the window closed ..... or ..... he was just happy to be back managing a club no matter how much the will was lacking in the owners to keep us up. ..... neither scenarios are particularly positive. Why would he only accept a highly paid job with a potential £1M bonus on the condition he could sign a striker in January? He was out of work FFS! No fucker wanted him thats why he was out of work
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Mar 13, 2018 11:48:49 GMT
I didn't want him before his appointment, I don't want him now and I absolutely don't want him next season.
I like to watch attacking football and this bloke hasn't the foggiest idea how to implement that.
But the main reason for not wanting him wafting his arms around on the touchline like he's a shit bird trying to take flight is because he's constantly pushing up the arms of his trackie top. Is he stuck in the 80s or something? Does he not realise you can now buy a nice gilet?
What a loser!!
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Mar 13, 2018 11:52:19 GMT
Why would he only accept a highly paid job with a potential £1M bonus on the condition he could sign a striker in January? He was out of work FFS! No fucker wanted him thats why he was out of work Exactly my point. He was taking the job no matter what.
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 13, 2018 11:56:03 GMT
He claimed to know our squad inside and out etc., when he was appointed. He therefore must've known the striker situation. He was here for much of the transfer window and yet we didn't bring in a striker. He needed to make the board aware that we needed a striker and that he was only prepared to accept appointment if we were making a real and serious attempt to bring one in. The fact that hasn't happened seems to either mean he was complicit in the situation when the window closed ..... or ..... he was just happy to be back managing a club no matter how much the will was lacking in the owners to keep us up. ..... neither scenarios are particularly positive. Why would he only accept a highly paid job with a potential £1M bonus on the condition he could sign a striker in January? He was out of work FFS! Then he therefore has some responsibility for what's happened since he arrived......as I said
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Mar 13, 2018 12:14:27 GMT
Why would he only accept a highly paid job with a potential £1M bonus on the condition he could sign a striker in January? He was out of work FFS! Then he therefore has some responsibility for what's happened since he arrived......as I said Yes he does, absolutely. I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm just stating why he would take the job without making conditional demands.
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Post by maliciousdamage on Mar 13, 2018 12:24:55 GMT
The boards dithering over Hughes and their lack of foresight to identify or pay compo for a decent coach (bar the Flores fiasco) meant he could have said anything and he would have got the job as they were shitting bricks they couldn't get a manager in quick.
To be fair his post appointment rabble rousing and admissions of knowing what we required all seem a long distant memory as he turns into a second rate TP.
I didn't want him but I wanted to get on the rabble rousing bandwagon he presented however I'm fast becoming disillusioned with his tactics, game plan, sub usage and the disappearance of some players in favour of his out of date Scottish compatriots.
I'm also not certain the players are now buying into his mantra either.
If we stay up or go down I think they should pay him up and ship him out like Wolves did and look for an alternative based on what division we are in.
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Post by cousindupree on Mar 13, 2018 12:35:15 GMT
The boards dithering over Hughes and their lack of foresight to identify or pay compo for a decent coach (bar the Flores fiasco) meant he could have said anything and he would have got the job as they were shitting bricks they couldn't get a manager in quick. To be fair his post appointment rabble rousing and admissions of knowing what we required all seem a long distant memory as he turns into a second rate TP. I didn't want him but I wanted to get on the rabble rousing bandwagon he presented however I'm fast becoming disillusioned with his tactics, game plan, sub usage and the disappearance of some players in favour of his out of date Scottish compatriots. I'm also not certain the players are now buying into his mantra either. If we stay up or go down I think they should pay him up and ship him out like Wolves did and look for an alternative based on what division we are in. This would be the 'ballsy' thing to do, and with major overhaul on the pitch likely in the summer irrespective of the division we are in it would be the smartest move. But do the board have the cojones to make such a decision? I doubt it and the thought of 2 more years of Lambert plus him overseeing the rebuilding on the pitch is shudderingly depressing.
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 13, 2018 12:38:06 GMT
Then he therefore has some responsibility for what's happened since he arrived......as I said Yes he does, absolutely. I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm just stating why he would take the job without making conditional demands. Which I understand, however I was discussing another issue tbh. Obviously there are many people that take a job for the money....... that's quite normal but when you decide to take such a high profile job part of that responsibility is to carry the can for what happens after you're appointed, as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by scfc5 on Mar 13, 2018 13:39:06 GMT
His constant reliance on Adam, Fletcher and Johnson shows that he doesn't know as much about our squad as he persuaded the board he does. Anyone with a pair of eyes knows Johnson was finished last season - his legs are gone - as are Fletcher's. Charlie I can understand slightly more as he can create something and play a forward pass, which is something none of our 3 midfield sitters seem able to do.
It is no real surprise that he has tightened us up. He is playing a 433, which is basically a 7-3. The midfielders rarely get beyond the ball anymore and our attacking plan consists of nothing more than give it Shaq and hope for the best.
It has been said in enough places elsewhere, but his persistent reliance on Choupo is baffling - he has had around 6 good games for us this season and mostly, like last night, ambles around the pitch and offers no threat whatsoever. Was it really the plan for him to sit so deep on the left last night whilst, on the other side, at least Shaq tried to get 15 yards up the pitch. I suspect not - it was Choupo being too idle to move around. He neither tracked his runners or closed down the full-back, so offered little defensively either. If Ramadan allegedly doesn't take on board the defensive message Lambert wants him to understand, as Lambert said, I dread to think what he thinks Choupo does in that regard, or in an attacking sense. Lambert's justifications are becoming more baffling by the week.
I fear we are finished as we cannot score goals. Nobody looks like scoring, unless it is a Shaq worldy. With the two full-backs we have now, the only other reasonable plan we have is to play Crouch, stick Shaq and Ramadan as wide as Man City had Sterling and Sane last night and get the full-backs overlapping. Crosses into Crouch are just about all we have left. Jese proved he is no central striker but at least put the effort in to chase and harry last night, followed by Shaq, but was let down as Choupo did not push up and do the same. I fear Lambert does not know how to get a tune out of what attackers he has left. I guess we could go 4231 and play Allen in the number 10 role, which has looked pretty decent at times, but I'm not sure Lambert will risk losing the solidity of the 3 man midfield. Yet, I think we may have to in order to score the goals to survive.
For me, if we stay up, we pay Lambert a handsome bonus and thank him heartily as we close the door behind him. I have every belief that should we stay up and he remain in charge, we will go down next season. I do not think Shaq will be here anyway as he will have only 12 months left on his deal so will be sold as he won't sign another, and I have no faith Lambert will construct an attacking plan capable of breaking down teams in this league.
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Post by stokemark on Mar 13, 2018 13:44:55 GMT
His constant reliance on Adam, Fletcher and Johnson shows that he doesn't know as much about our squad as he persuaded the board he does. Anyone with a pair of eyes knows Johnson was finished last season - his legs are gone - as are Fletcher's. Charlie I can understand slightly more as he can create something and play a forward pass, which is something none of our 3 midfield sitters seem able to do. It is no real surprise that he has tightened us up. He is playing a 433, which is basically a 7-3. The midfielders rarely get beyond the ball anymore and our attacking plan consists of nothing more than give it Shaq and hope for the best. It has been said in enough places elsewhere, but his persistent reliance on Choupo is baffling - he has had around 6 good games for us this season and mostly, like last night, ambles around the pitch and offers no threat whatsoever. Was it really the plan for him to sit so deep on the left last night whilst, on the other side, at least Shaq tried to get 15 yards up the pitch. I suspect not - it was Choupo being too idle to move around. He neither tracked his runners or closed down the full-back, so offered little defensively either. If Ramadan allegedly doesn't take on board the defensive message Lambert wants him to understand, as Lambert said, I dread to think what he thinks Choupo does in that regard, or in an attacking sense. Lambert's justifications are becoming more baffling by the week. I fear we are finished as we cannot score goals. Nobody looks like scoring, unless it is a Shaq worldy. With the two full-backs we have now, the only other reasonable plan we have is to play Crouch, stick Shaq and Ramadan as wide as Man City had Sterling and Sane last night and get the full-backs overlapping. Crosses into Crouch are just about all we have left. Jese proved he is no central striker but at least put the effort in to chase and harry last night, followed by Shaq, but was let down as Choupo did not push up and do the same. I fear Lambert does not know how to get a tune out of what attackers he has left. I guess we could go 4231 and play Allen in the number 10 role, which has looked pretty decent at times, but I'm not sure Lambert will risk losing the solidity of the 3 man midfield. Yet, I think we may have to in order to score the goals to survive. For me, if we stay up, we pay Lambert a handsome bonus and thank him heartily as we close the door behind him. I have every belief that should we stay up and he remain in charge, we will go down next season. I do not think Shaq will be here anyway as he will have only 12 months left on his deal so will be sold as he won't sign another, and I have no faith Lambert will construct an attacking plan capable of breaking down teams in this league. No need to worry - we won’t stay up
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 13, 2018 13:46:21 GMT
The boards dithering over Hughes and their lack of foresight to identify or pay compo for a decent coach (bar the Flores fiasco) meant he could have said anything and he would have got the job as they were shitting bricks they couldn't get a manager in quick. To be fair his post appointment rabble rousing and admissions of knowing what we required all seem a long distant memory as he turns into a second rate TP. I didn't want him but I wanted to get on the rabble rousing bandwagon he presented however I'm fast becoming disillusioned with his tactics, game plan, sub usage and the disappearance of some players in favour of his out of date Scottish compatriots. I'm also not certain the players are now buying into his mantra either. If we stay up or go down I think they should pay him up and ship him out like Wolves did and look for an alternative based on what division we are in. ^ Pretty much summarises my thoughts too, plus the football is turgid dross
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Post by scfc5 on Mar 13, 2018 13:49:17 GMT
His constant reliance on Adam, Fletcher and Johnson shows that he doesn't know as much about our squad as he persuaded the board he does. Anyone with a pair of eyes knows Johnson was finished last season - his legs are gone - as are Fletcher's. Charlie I can understand slightly more as he can create something and play a forward pass, which is something none of our 3 midfield sitters seem able to do. It is no real surprise that he has tightened us up. He is playing a 433, which is basically a 7-3. The midfielders rarely get beyond the ball anymore and our attacking plan consists of nothing more than give it Shaq and hope for the best. It has been said in enough places elsewhere, but his persistent reliance on Choupo is baffling - he has had around 6 good games for us this season and mostly, like last night, ambles around the pitch and offers no threat whatsoever. Was it really the plan for him to sit so deep on the left last night whilst, on the other side, at least Shaq tried to get 15 yards up the pitch. I suspect not - it was Choupo being too idle to move around. He neither tracked his runners or closed down the full-back, so offered little defensively either. If Ramadan allegedly doesn't take on board the defensive message Lambert wants him to understand, as Lambert said, I dread to think what he thinks Choupo does in that regard, or in an attacking sense. Lambert's justifications are becoming more baffling by the week. I fear we are finished as we cannot score goals. Nobody looks like scoring, unless it is a Shaq worldy. With the two full-backs we have now, the only other reasonable plan we have is to play Crouch, stick Shaq and Ramadan as wide as Man City had Sterling and Sane last night and get the full-backs overlapping. Crosses into Crouch are just about all we have left. Jese proved he is no central striker but at least put the effort in to chase and harry last night, followed by Shaq, but was let down as Choupo did not push up and do the same. I fear Lambert does not know how to get a tune out of what attackers he has left. I guess we could go 4231 and play Allen in the number 10 role, which has looked pretty decent at times, but I'm not sure Lambert will risk losing the solidity of the 3 man midfield. Yet, I think we may have to in order to score the goals to survive. For me, if we stay up, we pay Lambert a handsome bonus and thank him heartily as we close the door behind him. I have every belief that should we stay up and he remain in charge, we will go down next season. I do not think Shaq will be here anyway as he will have only 12 months left on his deal so will be sold as he won't sign another, and I have no faith Lambert will construct an attacking plan capable of breaking down teams in this league. No need to worry - we won’t stay up Then I worry he will definitely stay, given his Championship experience...
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Post by thevoid on Mar 13, 2018 13:58:03 GMT
I want to give a shit about Stoke again, whether we go down or not, and PL is not the man to do that. I'd like to see a young, up and coming manager who'd see Stoke as a step up and we could all get behind. To get that though, the old man on the iron throne probably needs to bugger off.
Either one of Potter, Hirst (Shrewsbury) or Smith (Brentford) would sit well with me. If Fulham blew promotion I'd do a sex wee if we could get Jokanovic here- we've more support and potential than Fulham.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 13, 2018 14:05:53 GMT
I didn't want him before his appointment, I don't want him now and I absolutely don't want him next season. I like to watch attacking football and this bloke hasn't the foggiest idea how to implement that. But the main reason for not wanting him wafting his arms around on the touchline like he's a shit bird trying to take flight is because he's constantly pushing up the arms of his trackie top. Is he stuck in the 80s or something? Does he not realise you can now buy a nice gilet? What a loser!! He just needs some KSwiss trainers to finish it off.
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Post by bossthemidfield on Mar 13, 2018 14:09:18 GMT
He should never have come in the first place, but that’s another story best left.
100% should go at the end of the season, we need a complete overhaul of the team and I don’t think he’s up to it.
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 13, 2018 14:17:54 GMT
Who would you have chosen to start at 7pm last night, ( rather than judging after the game)? My main concern was the likes of Johnson, Fletcher and Adam being on the bench Crouch up top Jese on bench Ramdan in for choupo Not having adam, johnson and fletcher on the bench. Pieters instead of staffy. Crouch should never ever start a premier league game again. I would have started with Choupo as striker with Ramadan on the left but that was never going to happen because Lambert clearly doesn't trust Ramadan. Pieters has been shocking all season and Stafy is in on merit, he had another steady game last night I thought.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 13, 2018 14:29:45 GMT
I didn't want him before his appointment, I don't want him now and I absolutely don't want him next season. I like to watch attacking football and this bloke hasn't the foggiest idea how to implement that. But the main reason for not wanting him wafting his arms around on the touchline like he's a shit bird trying to take flight is because he's constantly pushing up the arms of his trackie top. Is he stuck in the 80s or something? Does he not realise you can now buy a nice gilet? What a loser!! Love your second line. Who is he supposed to implement attacking football with? The shower of shit assembled by his predecessor? ”foggiest idea”
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Post by thegift on Mar 13, 2018 14:39:39 GMT
Crouch up top Jese on bench Ramdan in for choupo Not having adam, johnson and fletcher on the bench. Pieters instead of staffy. Crouch should never ever start a premier league game again. I would have started with Choupo as striker with Ramadan on the left but that was never going to happen because Lambert clearly doesn't trust Ramadan. Pieters has been shocking all season and Stafy is in on merit, he had another steady game last night I thought. Staffy was up there with the worst of them last night regarding performance. He was atrocious and made to look silly.
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Mar 13, 2018 15:17:55 GMT
I didn't want him before his appointment, I don't want him now and I absolutely don't want him next season. I like to watch attacking football and this bloke hasn't the foggiest idea how to implement that. But the main reason for not wanting him wafting his arms around on the touchline like he's a shit bird trying to take flight is because he's constantly pushing up the arms of his trackie top. Is he stuck in the 80s or something? Does he not realise you can now buy a nice gilet? What a loser!! Love your second line. Who is he supposed to implement attacking football with? The shower of shit assembled by his predecessor? ”foggiest idea” That's a depressingly good point actually. Shaqiri aside, we really do have an absolute dearth of attacking talent.
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Post by scfc5 on Mar 13, 2018 15:38:31 GMT
Crouch should never ever start a premier league game again. I would have started with Choupo as striker with Ramadan on the left but that was never going to happen because Lambert clearly doesn't trust Ramadan. Pieters has been shocking all season and Stafy is in on merit, he had another steady game last night I thought. Staffy was up there with the worst of them last night regarding performance. He was atrocious and made to look silly. 1. I don't agree for one minute - I thought he was pretty decent - Sterling didn't do a lot other than cheat. 2. Even if it was true, it was probably because he was getting no help from Choupo.
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Post by thegift on Mar 13, 2018 15:43:29 GMT
Staffy was up there with the worst of them last night regarding performance. He was atrocious and made to look silly. 1. I don't agree for one minute - I thought he was pretty decent - Sterling didn't do a lot other than cheat. 2. Even if it was true, it was probably because he was getting no help from Choupo. Choupo indeed gave him no help... however choupo also cant tell staffy how do to the basics
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 13, 2018 15:45:48 GMT
A lot of undeserved negativity towards Lambert here in my opinion! He wasn't my first choice either, but to me he looks like a man who actually can see what's happening on the pitch. In my opinion he is much better at this than Hughes. We aren't far off having a decent team, but we'll never be able to field a team like the one we met yesterday. This doesn't mean we can't beat them now and then, but we of course need a lot of fortune to do this. Against team around us we have looked OK under Lambert in my opinion.
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Post by professorplump on Mar 13, 2018 16:41:05 GMT
Lambert will definitely be here next season no matter what happens. The board gave him a 2.5 year contract and they will consider his experience in the Championship to be beneficial to us. He is a cheap option, happy to be in a job and won't rock the boat too much. Just the sort of person that appeals to Peter Coates.
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 13, 2018 16:50:53 GMT
Lambert will definitely be here next season no matter what happens. The board gave him a 2.5 year contract and they will consider his experience in the Championship to be beneficial to us. He is a cheap option, happy to be in a job and won't rock the boat too much. Just the sort of person that appeals to Peter Coates. All true. On reflection we're lucky they've managed to keep us in the league as long as they have given their dysfunctional approach.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 13, 2018 16:58:19 GMT
Everything about this club is fucking wank at the moment. If any of us were as shit at our jobs as the usual suspects, the job centres would be full.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 13, 2018 17:03:39 GMT
He claimed to know our squad inside and out etc., when he was appointed. He therefore must've known the striker situation. He was here for much of the transfer window and yet we didn't bring in a striker. He needed to make the board aware that we needed a striker and that he was only prepared to accept appointment if we were making a real and serious attempt to bring one in. The fact that hasn't happened seems to either mean he was complicit in the situation when the window closed ..... or ..... he was just happy to be back managing a club no matter how much the will was lacking in the owners to keep us up. ..... neither scenarios are particularly positive. Why would he only accept a highly paid job with a potential £1M bonus on the condition he could sign a striker in January? He was out of work FFS! If he had anything about him then he would have. It was pretty obvious that Stoke were as desperate for a manager as he was for a job.
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