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Post by spitthedog on Mar 4, 2018 12:52:43 GMT
He picked that bench though Suffolk. There was no need to have a bench that bad. He chose to do it. I agree which is why I agree with you re he needs to go at the end of the season So let's get this right........you sack a manager because of the selection of 3 defenders on the bench for an away game at Southampton That would be a first I'll give you that!!!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 4, 2018 13:04:14 GMT
And I’m sure the response will be 100% honest and in no way self-serving. Again, if you read what I wrote, I said I hoped we were getting the Norwich Lambert, but that we hadn’t got that version. At no point did I say that’s what we’d been playing like or were going to play like. Again, it must take some going for a newly promoted Prem side to be hideously dour and defensive and still score more goals than all but six teams... You saying I'm a lier? I've already told you that they haven't a bad word to say about him. I don’t know if you are or not Dave. Either way, whatever the response is, I think the evidence I’ve put forward is reasonably clear. It’s neither here nor there anyway, as that Lambert is apparently over the hills and far away, and we’ve got this bloke instead.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 4, 2018 13:09:32 GMT
You saying I'm a lier? I've already told you that they haven't a bad word to say about him. I don’t know if you are or not Dave. Either way, whatever the response is, I think the evidence I’ve put forward is reasonably clear. It’s neither here nor there anyway, as that Lambert is apparently over the hills and far away, and we’ve got this bloke instead. Ha ha...the response..."We were better than that . He produced the best Norwich side since our famous bayern Munich winning team and from the bottom of the 3rd division as well. Hoolahan and holt were massively underrated. Don't lose faith. He'll keep you up and then produce a really good side. Wish we still had him". That is word for word, copied and pasted.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 13:22:12 GMT
I think it's unrealistic to expect somebody to come in and sort the defence out and also get us sparking at the other end of the pitch with just a month or so under his belt. Whilst also being forced to spend significant time on fitness and conditioning as well. I'm really not sure what people were expecting him to do. I was expecting nothing from PL and that is 100% what we have got.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 4, 2018 13:26:03 GMT
I have a couple of work colleagues who are big Villa fans and they speak highly of Lambert despite the torrid time he had there.
Comments: He was doing well under difficult circumstances. He was unlucky as the club was in total chaos when he came. Dont expect fancy football but you'll get 100% commitment and he won't tolerate players who don't give him that. He was put in an impossible situation.
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Sounding familiar already!
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 4, 2018 13:27:06 GMT
Whilst also being forced to spend significant time on fitness and conditioning as well. I'm really not sure what people were expecting him to do. I was expecting nothing from PL and that is 100% what we have got. So you don't think he has sorted the defence out???? How do you come to that conclusion? Only 1 Premiership club has conceded less goals than us in their last 6 games, namely Spurs who have conceded 3 as opposed to our 4
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 13:29:10 GMT
I was expecting nothing from PL and that is 100% what we have got. So you don't think he has sorted the defence out???? How do you come to that conclusion? It's not exactly rocket science how to sort it was it? And he's gone in the total opposite way.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 13:29:39 GMT
I was expecting nothing from PL and that is 100% what we have got. So you don't think he has sorted the defence out???? How do you come to that conclusion? No see who we have played !!! just as wank as us it a false dawn saying the defence is better he played the wankest teams in the league and scraped a few draws lol.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 4, 2018 13:31:31 GMT
I was expecting nothing from PL and that is 100% what we have got. So you don't think he has sorted the defence out???? How do you come to that conclusion? Even under Hughes our defensive record when playing our so called peers wasn't too bad. We had 11 clean sheets last season. Our goals against column was predominantly borne from the fact that against the better sides a 3-0 defeat would have been considered a good effort...and indeed was at old Trafford.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 4, 2018 13:31:44 GMT
So you don't think he has sorted the defence out???? How do you come to that conclusion? No see who we have played !!! just as wank as us it a false dawn saying the defence is better he played the wankest teams in the league and scraped a few draws lol. Only 1 Premiership club has conceded less goals than us in their last 6 games (most Form tables take the last 6 games), namely Spurs who have conceded 3 as opposed to our 4
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 13:34:46 GMT
No see who we have played !!! just as wank as us it a false dawn saying the defence is better he played the wankest teams in the league and scraped a few draws lol. Only 1 Premiership club has conceded less goals than us in their last 6 games, namely Spurs who have conceded 3 as opposed to our 4 Who have Spurs played ? How many more points did LMH get against the same teams PL has faced ? Face facts PL has not out performed LMH in the corresponding fixtures on that basis he's wank.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 13:35:12 GMT
No see who we have played !!! just as wank as us it a false dawn saying the defence is better he played the wankest teams in the league and scraped a few draws lol. Only 1 Premiership club has conceded less goals than us in their last 6 games (most Form tables take the last 6 games), namely Spurs who have conceded 3 as opposed to our 4 We've played ultra negative defensive football. What do you expect?
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 4, 2018 13:40:40 GMT
Only 1 Premiership club has conceded less goals than us in their last 6 games, namely Spurs who have conceded 3 as opposed to our 4 Who have Spurs played ? How many more points did LMH get against the same teams PL has faced ? Face facts PL has not out performed LMH in the corresponding fixtures on that basis he's wank. Its 6 bloody games!!! You sack a manager who doesn't outperform another manager in 6 games? A new manager every 6 games in all probability, what planet are you on? The fact is: The players are technically shit, not Premiership standard (apart from Shaq, Bruno and Butland) we brought in a manager far too late to do anything about it with an inept recruitment/backroom staff.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 13:45:54 GMT
Who have Spurs played ? How many more points did LMH get against the same teams PL has faced ? Face facts PL has not out performed LMH in the corresponding fixtures on that basis he's wank. Its 6 bloody games!!! You sack a manager who doesn't outperform another manager in 6 games? A new manager every 6 games in all probability, what planet are you on? The fact is: The players are technically shit, not Premiership standard (apart from Shaq, Bruno and Butland) we brought in a manager far too late to do anything about it with an inept recruitment/backroom staff. Look we sacked a cock by all accounts and appointed a man to save us. He's worse than LMH thats a fact , out of touch, no coaching staff, no plan in game, mental subs, no players to sign, inane mumblings when he's interviewed he's a nice fella no doubt but not as Stoke manager it's as plain as day how wank he is.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 4, 2018 13:48:02 GMT
Its 6 bloody games!!! You sack a manager who doesn't outperform another manager in 6 games? A new manager every 6 games in all probability, what planet are you on? The fact is: The players are technically shit, not Premiership standard (apart from Shaq, Bruno and Butland) we brought in a manager far too late to do anything about it with an inept recruitment/backroom staff. Look we sacked a cock by all accounts and appointed a man to save us. He's worse than LMH thats a fact , out of touch, no coaching staff, no plan in game, mental subs, no players to sign, inane mumblings when he's interviewed he's a nice fella no doubt but not as Stoke manager it's as plain as day how wank he is. Well looks you've made your mind up...so goodbye!!! Enjoy the ride!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 13:53:13 GMT
Look we sacked a cock by all accounts and appointed a man to save us. He's worse than LMH thats a fact , out of touch, no coaching staff, no plan in game, mental subs, no players to sign, inane mumblings when he's interviewed he's a nice fella no doubt but not as Stoke manager it's as plain as day how wank he is. Well looks you've made your mind up...so goodbye!!! Enjoy the ride! I have and knew it from day one the only comparison to make is like for like fixtures LMH was sacked PL has done worse in the same fixtures how can you be enthused by that. If by some miracle we do stay up I would sack him the very next day he's just not good enough for us.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 4, 2018 14:01:11 GMT
So disappointed with you mate Why? He's clearly a pretty dreadful manager. Do you honestly want him past this season? As Suffolk says if he was suggested 6 months by someone, we would have laughed them off and called them a mad cunt. Lambert isn't what this football club needs past this season. Time will tell if he's what we need for this one and I hope to God he is because the Championship is shite. Because over the last few weeks I've actually grown to realise you tend to more sense these days than you used to and I find myself agreeing with you, but occassionally you revert back to utter bat shit crazy nonsense. Lambert was given an impossible task. Yes we need wins, but are you seriously telling me other managers would have got us winning? The rot was left by Mark Hughes. Lambert has come in and really strengthened us defensively, but much like I said the other day, he can't get our strikers scoring and to be honest, I'm not sure any manager can. With Diouf potentially out for a while, Lambert has a bit of freedom to experiment, but realistically, you're asking a lot of the man. Do I want him past the end of the season? I don't know. I think he deserves a proper chance, and you're not really giving it him, are you?
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 4, 2018 14:04:45 GMT
Well looks you've made your mind up...so goodbye!!! Enjoy the ride! I have and knew it from day one the only comparison to make is like for like fixtures LMH was sacked PL has done worse in the same fixtures how can you be enthused by that. If by some miracle we do stay up I would sack him the very next day he's just not good enough for us. I'll leave you with just one thought: The players!!! Evidence: Watch the first half yesterday, no-one remotely on the same planet as Shaqiri in that team.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 14:08:55 GMT
I have and knew it from day one the only comparison to make is like for like fixtures LMH was sacked PL has done worse in the same fixtures how can you be enthused by that. If by some miracle we do stay up I would sack him the very next day he's just not good enough for us. I'll leave you with just one thought: The players!!! Oh dunna get me wrong they have more than a fair share of blame but this is about the manager. 100% agree the players should be ashamed of the effort and quality they have produced. I'm not blaming PL for where we are but he's not what we needed. I've already stated he's a patsy
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 14:14:15 GMT
Why? He's clearly a pretty dreadful manager. Do you honestly want him past this season? As Suffolk says if he was suggested 6 months by someone, we would have laughed them off and called them a mad cunt. Lambert isn't what this football club needs past this season. Time will tell if he's what we need for this one and I hope to God he is because the Championship is shite. Because over the last few weeks I've actually grown to realise you tend to more sense these days than you used to and I find myself agreeing with you, but occassionally you revert back to utter bat shit crazy nonsense. Lambert was given an impossible task. Yes we need wins, but are you seriously telling me other managers would have got us winning? The rot was left by Mark Hughes. Lambert has come in and really strengthened us defensively, but much like I said the other day, he can't get our strikers scoring and to be honest, I'm not sure any manager can. With Diouf potentially out for a while, Lambert has a bit of freedom to experiment, but realistically, you're asking a lot of the man. Do I want him past the end of the season? I don't know. I think he deserves a proper chance, and you're not really giving it him, are you? 1) it's not impossible. That's just a crazy thing to suggest and indeed means we should have kept Hughes cos hey what's the point? 2) yeah, I'd expect us to win more than one of the 6 games we've had with him. Pretty easily tbh. 3) I'm asking him to the do job he came here to do, keep us up. Draws won't achieve that. 4) I'm giving him half a season more than I wanted to.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 4, 2018 14:16:05 GMT
Because over the last few weeks I've actually grown to realise you tend to more sense these days than you used to and I find myself agreeing with you, but occassionally you revert back to utter bat shit crazy nonsense. Lambert was given an impossible task. Yes we need wins, but are you seriously telling me other managers would have got us winning? The rot was left by Mark Hughes. Lambert has come in and really strengthened us defensively, but much like I said the other day, he can't get our strikers scoring and to be honest, I'm not sure any manager can. With Diouf potentially out for a while, Lambert has a bit of freedom to experiment, but realistically, you're asking a lot of the man. Do I want him past the end of the season? I don't know. I think he deserves a proper chance, and you're not really giving it him, are you? 1) it's not impossible. That's just a crazy thing to suggest and indeed means we should have kept Hughes cos hey what's the point? 2) yeah, I'd expect us to win more than one of the 6 games we've had with him. Pretty easily tbh. 3) I'm asking him to the do job he came here to do, keep us up. Draws won't achieve that. 4) I'm giving him half a season more than I wanted to. Really though, we are two horrible mistakes away from a good win at home and an excellent win away. Who are you blaming for that? Lambert? Come on mate. You're smarter than this.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2018 14:18:21 GMT
1) it's not impossible. That's just a crazy thing to suggest and indeed means we should have kept Hughes cos hey what's the point? 2) yeah, I'd expect us to win more than one of the 6 games we've had with him. Pretty easily tbh. 3) I'm asking him to the do job he came here to do, keep us up. Draws won't achieve that. 4) I'm giving him half a season more than I wanted to. Really though, we are two horrible mistakes away from a good win at home and an excellent win away. Who are you blaming for that? Lambert? Come on mate. You're smarter than this. Yes. Mistakes happen especially when you play useless fat oafs like Adam and persist with a bone idle left winger. We were also absolutely rotten vs Brighton and were lucky to get a point in the end.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 4, 2018 14:18:44 GMT
1) it's not impossible. That's just a crazy thing to suggest and indeed means we should have kept Hughes cos hey what's the point? 2) yeah, I'd expect us to win more than one of the 6 games we've had with him. Pretty easily tbh. 3) I'm asking him to the do job he came here to do, keep us up. Draws won't achieve that. 4) I'm giving him half a season more than I wanted to. Really though, we are two horrible mistakes away from a good win at home and an excellent win away. Who are you blaming for that? Lambert? Come on mate. You're smarter than this. You could say the same about home defeats to Bournemouth and Newcastle yet the previous manager isn't allowed such excuses.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 4, 2018 14:19:24 GMT
Really though, we are two horrible mistakes away from a good win at home and an excellent win away. Who are you blaming for that? Lambert? Come on mate. You're smarter than this. Yes. Mistakes happen especially when you play useless fat oafs like Adam and persist with a bone idle left winger. We were also absolutely rotten vs Brighton and were lucky to get a point in the end. Oh come off it. We were unlucky not to win. As you said, a fat oaf fucked it for us. What about Butland? Should he have dropped him?
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Post by metalhead on Mar 4, 2018 14:20:30 GMT
Really though, we are two horrible mistakes away from a good win at home and an excellent win away. Who are you blaming for that? Lambert? Come on mate. You're smarter than this. You could say the same about home defeats to Bournemouth and Newcastle yet the previous manager isn't allowed such excuses. Oh come on mate. The previous manager had plenty of opportunities to correct his mistakes. You can't afford him the same excuses after he had laid the foundations for this rot.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 4, 2018 14:21:01 GMT
Yes. Mistakes happen especially when you play useless fat oafs like Adam and persist with a bone idle left winger. We were also absolutely rotten vs Brighton and were lucky to get a point in the end. Oh come off it. We were unlucky not to win. As you said, a fat oaf fucked it for us. What about Butland? Should he have dropped him? Who picked the fat oaf? Who ensured we took to the pitch without a designated penalty taker?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 4, 2018 14:21:03 GMT
We really weren’t unlucky. We didn’t do enough to win either game.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 4, 2018 14:22:25 GMT
Oh come off it. We were unlucky not to win. As you said, a fat oaf fucked it for us. What about Butland? Should he have dropped him? Who picked the fat oaf? Who ensured we took to the pitch without a designated penalty taker? Be honest mate. You wouldn't have had anyone else taking that penalty. Charlie Adam is usually Mr Reliable on penalties. Who could have predicted the comical events? Nobody.
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Post by superheroantonius on Mar 4, 2018 14:23:22 GMT
He won he won a European champions league medal with borrusia Dortmund And played in the 1998 world cup finals
You can't question ,the guys knowledge of top flight football
The real question is ,can he get the current crop of stoke city players, organised and fighting, for a point or a three in each and every match
All I can say ,is he is doing a much better job of doing that ,than mark Hughes .
He hasn't been given enough time to do the job
And he has been told to do it without a striker ...even those around us have the likes of Andre / Jordan ayew , Arnautovic and hernadez , zaha and benteke , Glenn Murray ..
He has done pretty much all he can do , at a club playing at the highest level , with no striker .
Basically, tighten things up defensively , get everyone to get stuck in and hope to wing it !
Good luck to him
If he keeps this lot up , then he is manager of the season
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 4, 2018 14:24:03 GMT
Who picked the fat oaf? Who ensured we took to the pitch without a designated penalty taker? Be honest mate. You wouldn't have had anyone else taking that penalty. Charlie Adam is usually Mr Reliable on penalties. Who could have predicted the comical events? Nobody. Being honest, if he's on the pitch Shaqiri should take all free kicks, corners and penalties. The fact he doesn't is just another example of how shit our new manager is.
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