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Imbula
Jan 23, 2018 17:05:11 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 23, 2018 17:05:11 GMT
In some aspects he is, agreed. However crucially, in others he's the worst which is the big issue. What I would say is I'd get him back in the summer (if we can't now) and give him another go. I personally don't think he was really given a chance, played out of position, and was working under a horrendous manager. Get him back give him another shot under a manager with a bit of passion. Doesn't seem to have improved attitude wise at another club or indeed even showing some consistent form.
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Post by tosh on Jan 23, 2018 17:30:58 GMT
Joe Allen's worth 10 of him...... Exactly.. Him being the most talented doesn't mean he is the best. Without the right attitude and hard work his talent means fuck all. This. He never wanted to come to Stoke. It has been widely publicised in the french press that he never wanted to go to Porto either. His career apparently is manipulated by his father as his agent, with a view to maximising his father's agent's fees and Imbula's income. He obtained a lucrative contract with Stoke and then ensured with his lack of enthusiasm and refusal to integrate that that we would have to ship him out on a loan. He got his wish when we found him a loan back in France, whilst we pay him Premier League wages. Presumably his attitude would be the same if we brought him back. Shay Given was right. He didn't try and he had no intention of succeeding at Stoke
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Imbula
Jan 23, 2018 17:40:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 17:40:35 GMT
If he really wants it, and Lambert thinks he can do something with him, I would like him back.
That three man midfield would suit him but we'd need a more mobile physical holding midfielder behind
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Imbula
Jan 23, 2018 17:41:12 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 17:41:12 GMT
Exactly.. Him being the most talented doesn't mean he is the best. Without the right attitude and hard work his talent means fuck all. This. He never wanted to come to Stoke. It has been widely publicised in the french press that he never wanted to go to Porto either. His career apparently is manipulated by his father as his agent, with a view to maximising his father's agent's fees and Imbula's income. He obtained a lucrative contract with Stoke and then ensured with his lack of enthusiasm and refusal to integrate that that we would have to ship him out on a loan. He got his wish when we found him a loan back in France, whilst we pay him Premier League wages. Presumably his attitude would be the same if we brought him back. Shay Given was right. He didn't try and he had no intention of succeeding at Stoke Sometimes all it takes is the right manager to strike the right chord with a player to get him going. Arnie under Moyes is a different player than under Bilic, in all aspects, for example.
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Post by raythesailor on Jan 23, 2018 17:45:11 GMT
As I have said before;
If we are paying his wages BRING HIM BACK asa TOILET CLEANER and BALL BOY on Match days.
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Imbula
Jan 23, 2018 17:47:50 GMT
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 23, 2018 17:47:50 GMT
This. He never wanted to come to Stoke. It has been widely publicised in the french press that he never wanted to go to Porto either. His career apparently is manipulated by his father as his agent, with a view to maximising his father's agent's fees and Imbula's income. He obtained a lucrative contract with Stoke and then ensured with his lack of enthusiasm and refusal to integrate that that we would have to ship him out on a loan. He got his wish when we found him a loan back in France, whilst we pay him Premier League wages. Presumably his attitude would be the same if we brought him back. Shay Given was right. He didn't try and he had no intention of succeeding at Stoke Sometimes all it takes is the right manager to strike the right chord with a player to get him going. Arnie under Moyes is a different player than under Bilic, in all aspects, for example. Arnie hadn't been several shades of shite for three managers in a row.
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Imbula
Jan 23, 2018 17:48:23 GMT
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jan 23, 2018 17:48:23 GMT
Exactly.. Him being the most talented doesn't mean he is the best. Without the right attitude and hard work his talent means fuck all. This. He never wanted to come to Stoke. It has been widely publicised in the french press that he never wanted to go to Porto either. His career apparently is manipulated by his father as his agent, with a view to maximising his father's agent's fees and Imbula's income. He obtained a lucrative contract with Stoke and then ensured with his lack of enthusiasm and refusal to integrate that that we would have to ship him out on a loan. He got his wish when we found him a loan back in France, whilst we pay him Premier League wages. Presumably his attitude would be the same if we brought him back. Shay Given was right. He didn't try and he had no intention of succeeding at Stoke This can't be true. But if it is, he should still be in Stoke on Trent every day til his contracts ends.
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Imbula
Jan 23, 2018 17:52:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 17:52:26 GMT
Joe Allen's worth 10 of him...... Lol okay mate Glad you’re amused by it it’s as plain as the nose on your face....
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 23, 2018 18:22:52 GMT
Sometimes all it takes is the right manager to strike the right chord with a player to get him going. Arnie under Moyes is a different player than under Bilic, in all aspects, for example. Arnie hadn't been several shades of shite for three managers in a row. I wouldn't propose a full exoneration of Imbula, no doubt he hasn't been good enough, but that's a bit harsh mate. It's his lack of game time and his last couple of outings {Wolves, Man City} being especially crap that perhaps colours opinion. In the run up to that game he'd had very good performances {impressive heat maps etc} in a midfield two with Charlie, in games we controlled against Watford and Burnley particular. He'd been ok in games over that xmas period, I recall, though it was a bit of a team sticky patch, Liverpool etc. Wolves was a kind of chance for him to cement a start. Turned out to be a watershed. And of course there was that initial half season of promise we saw. I don't think it was all shite with us. {Actually looked quite decent preseason if that counts for owt.} He was/is raw as heck, and very one footed and maybe beyond the point of rehabilitation here. What a waste, but it's a funny owd game, fingers crossed on this one. I do realise it'll take much more than that.
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Imbula
Jan 23, 2018 18:32:42 GMT
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 23, 2018 18:32:42 GMT
Arnie hadn't been several shades of shite for three managers in a row. I wouldn't propose a full exoneration of Imbula, no doubt he hasn't been good enough, but that's a bit harsh mate. It's his lack of game time and his last couple of outings {Wolves, Man City} being especially crap that perhaps colours opinion. In the run up to that game he'd had very good performances {impressive heat maps etc} in a midfield two with Charlie, in games we controlled against Watford and Burnley particular. He'd been ok in games over that xmas period, I recall, though it was a bit of a team sticky patch, Liverpool etc. Wolves was a kind of chance for him to cement a start. Turned out to be a watershed. And of course there was that initial half season of promise we saw. I don't think it was all shite with us. {Actually looked quite decent preseason if that counts for owt.} He was/is raw as heck, and very one footed and maybe beyond the point of rehabilitation here. What a waste, but it's a funny owd game, fingers crossed on this one. I do realise it'll take much more than that. There's a player in there somewhere, he had a few outstanding games, a few decent ones, but the application isn't there and it's the application that matters. People keep saying'a good manager is all he needs to turn him round'. Sorry, that's bollocks. He's had two managers at Porto, one at Stoke, one at Toulouse, and he's not shown anywhere near enough at any of them. It's up to him, and him alone, to sort his career out. Put the work in, track runners, discover his right foot, not hang onto the ball for aeons when he's bombing forward so chances go begging. As it stands he's a footballing Forrest Gump. He can run with the ball. That's it.
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Imbula
Jan 23, 2018 18:33:58 GMT
Post by skip on Jan 23, 2018 18:33:58 GMT
Do we really think Imbula feigned being rubbish to get the chance to play back in France but with Stoke picking up his Premier League wages? Really? I'd wager it was because he wasn't that taken with the transfer to begin with. If I was made to ply my trade where I didn't want to, I'd probably blow hot and cold too, and more often that not, cold. And possibly be as miserable as sin to my fellow co-workers.
Honestly, it's a hard life being a below average but overpaid footballer.
I PITY THEM!
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Imbula
Jan 23, 2018 18:45:31 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 18:45:31 GMT
Sometimes all it takes is the right manager to strike the right chord with a player to get him going. Arnie under Moyes is a different player than under Bilic, in all aspects, for example. Arnie hadn't been several shades of shite for three managers in a row. Imbula was fantastic for Hughes for a time. Arnie wasn't particularly great for a fair few managers before Hughes either.
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Post by tosh on Jan 23, 2018 20:47:31 GMT
Do we really think Imbula feigned being rubbish to get the chance to play back in France but with Stoke picking up his Premier League wages? Really? I'd wager it was because he wasn't that taken with the transfer to begin with. If I was made to ply my trade where I didn't want to, I'd probably blow hot and cold too, and more often that not, cold. And possibly be as miserable as sin to my fellow co-workers. Honestly, it's a hard life being a below average but overpaid footballer. I PITY THEM! It sounds like there is some truth in his not being where he wanted to be. This article from french press gives some interesting insight into the skullduggery we unwittingly got ourselves into when we signed him from Porto. Read it and see if you think he wanted to come here. Another french paper alleges the connection of Imbula's father with the Porto deal and says he pressurised his son to accept it and profited substantially from it. ************************************************************************************************************* There are new items this Tuesday on Football Leaks, these more than 18 million confidential documents with leak, analyzed by Mediapart and eleven other media Europeans. And this concerns France, more precisely the Olympique de Marseille, and his former player, Belge Giannelli Imbula. Mediapart published an article referring to the incredible underhand dealings of the transfer of the midfielder to FC Porto, orchestrated by the investment fund Dean Sports and it’s boss Nelio Lucas. Here are the main steps, summarized section of Mediapart. Olympic Marseille want some cash, Imbula wants to go to Inter MilanIn summer 2015, who then owns the club Marseille, Margarita Louis-Dreyfus, wants to bail out finance by selling the club’s best players. Transfer of Imbula is entrusted to Nelio Lucas, patron of Dean Sports, then "in full course of infiltration of OM, which he hopes to make his company’s bridgehead in France". Imbula wants to go to Inter Milan, who were interested in him before choosing Geoff rey Kondogbia. Dean Sports force the hand of PortoThis is the episode that says more about the power of agents and Dean Sports. While the club from the North of the Portugal has also its finances into the red, it still buys Imbula for20 million euros. Why? Because Nelio Lucas told the club to do so. Porto "cannot say no to Dean's boss, who is one of its principal funders." The counterparties of Dean SportsNelio Lucas puts some arguments before Porto accepts. He undertakes to " resell the player very quickly and very expensive", as shown in the mandate of sale reproduced by Mediapart. And when Porto cannot pay the amount of the transfer to the OM, Lucas produced a solution from his hat “to buy shares in the player with a double objective. To ease the finances of Porto and to make a big profit, since he is convinced he can sell for 30 million". Nelio Lucas in illegalityExcept that this, the third ownership of player, or TPO, is now prohibited. Fifa stepped in and warns Porto and Dean. That does not stop the boss of the investment fund. Nelio Lucas decided to invest in his own name, via his offshore company Vela, fraudulently and not through Dean Sports. "Lucas himself having not enough money, the contract provides that he associated himself with 50-50 with another investor, who would bring 5 million. The same day, he proposed the deal with the boss of a sports agency based in the United Arab Emirates". The slate of Porto cleared"We don't know if the deal materialized," admits Mediapart, which continues: "it looks not, as Porto failed to settle the second deadline of September 15. The same day, OM threatens to sue the Portuguese club if it does not pay the balance of 9.65 million euros. "And then, mysteriously, the money appears since OM is complaining more strongly." Imbula sold to Stoke CityAs expected, six months later, the young Frenchman was sold to English club Stoke City, who break his also its piggy bank and pays EUR 24 million. Here also, the shady side of the transfer, reported by Mediapart, not lacking unfortunately spice. . .
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 23, 2018 21:01:47 GMT
Arnie hadn't been several shades of shite for three managers in a row. Imbula was fantastic for Hughes for a time. Arnie wasn't particularly great for a fair few managers before Hughes either. Arnie had a bad time under Mourinho. He was either good or up and down everywhere else. Two clubs have made Imbula their record signing and wanted rid inside a year. How many clubs and managers does he have to underwhelm for before people let this go?
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Imbula
Jan 23, 2018 21:05:07 GMT
Post by Roger Everyone on Jan 23, 2018 21:05:07 GMT
He has the attributes of a great player. Can a new manager get it out of him ? At the price we paid I think it's worth a shot. He looked ok in preseason if I remember right. At some point he is going to have to apply himself to putting some effort in.
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Post by lordb on Jan 23, 2018 21:07:14 GMT
He has the attributes of a great player. Can a new manager get it out of him ? At the price we paid I think it's worth a shot. He looked ok in preseason if I remember right. At some point he is going to have to apply himself to putting some effort in. If he wants to be a successful footballer yes he does. If he just wants to enjoy his big fat contract then he doesn't.
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Imbula
Jan 23, 2018 21:10:05 GMT
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Post by ElworthPotter on Jan 23, 2018 21:10:05 GMT
Sorry Pal we've given your squad number away to someone who actually wants to play for us! Take the hint Who have we given his squad number to?
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Imbula
Jan 23, 2018 21:47:25 GMT
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Post by adi on Jan 23, 2018 21:47:25 GMT
I’d give him and bojan another run. Much cheaper than buying new players if he can knuckle down. Very expensive passengervif he doesn’t. If we had them both back how would we be for squad places if we also wanted to bring in a couple of new faces Erm.. dunno lol. I did think about this the other day, I’m sure that with some of the youngsters like souttar and Edwards we aren’t exactly brimming with players are we? Anyone know just how many places we’d have? I suppose afellay and Ireland are taking up space though as is Jese so maybe we are close to capacity? I honesty don’t know.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 23, 2018 21:50:54 GMT
Sorry Pal we've given your squad number away to someone who actually wants to play for us! Take the hint Who have we given his squad number to? The Hippo.
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Imbula
Jan 23, 2018 21:55:00 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Jan 23, 2018 21:55:00 GMT
Imbula was fantastic for Hughes for a time. Arnie wasn't particularly great for a fair few managers before Hughes either. Arnie had a bad time under Mourinho. He was either good or up and down everywhere else. Two clubs have made Imbula their record signing and wanted rid inside a year. How many clubs and managers does he have to underwhelm for before people let this go? He comes out with the same sort of shit about Berahino !, he can't seem to get his head around the simple facts they are both shit with shit attitudes and both are shit expensive signings, there a few on here who seem to agree with him though you really couldn't make their shit up.
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Imbula
Jan 23, 2018 22:21:02 GMT
Post by polofrance on Jan 23, 2018 22:21:02 GMT
Manager of Toulouse got sacked today, wonder where that will leave him now?????
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 23, 2018 22:24:37 GMT
Manager of Toulouse got sacked today, wonder where that will leave him now????? They lost in the French cup to some team from the lower division. Sounds kinda familiar??
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Post by kustokie on Jan 23, 2018 22:46:59 GMT
If Imbula resurrects his career back at Stoke it will be a story of Biblical proportions and compete with the raising of Lazrius from the ultimate big sleep. Miricles can happen. More like the second coming of Christ!
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Imbula
Jan 23, 2018 23:44:29 GMT
Post by meladben on Jan 23, 2018 23:44:29 GMT
i think the major issue with him is is attitude ,Shay Given publicly said as much as he was a cancer in the dressing room,he also had it in his head that he was bigger than the club, the question is even if we did get a "firing on all cylinders" Imbula back would it be to the detriment of the other lads who suffered his arrogance before
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Imbula
Jan 24, 2018 0:25:02 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 0:25:02 GMT
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Imbula
Jan 24, 2018 0:30:21 GMT
Post by mozzermozzer on Jan 24, 2018 0:30:21 GMT
does he speak Scottish?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 8:10:39 GMT
Imbula was fantastic for Hughes for a time. Arnie wasn't particularly great for a fair few managers before Hughes either. Arnie had a bad time under Mourinho. He was either good or up and down everywhere else. Two clubs have made Imbula their record signing and wanted rid inside a year. How many clubs and managers does he have to underwhelm for before people let this go? Both of those clubs gave him 6 months. In countries he's just moved to, where he doesn't know the language, and clearly would take time to settle. And honestly, it might be an unpopular opinion but I think he had more good games than bad for us. He's underwhelmed at (arguably) two, both of whom gave him almost no time. Surely for the money we paid he's worth a longer shot, because he's clearly got talent.
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Imbula
Jan 24, 2018 8:12:20 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 24, 2018 8:12:20 GMT
Give him another crack.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 24, 2018 8:16:08 GMT
Arnie had a bad time under Mourinho. He was either good or up and down everywhere else. Two clubs have made Imbula their record signing and wanted rid inside a year. How many clubs and managers does he have to underwhelm for before people let this go? Both of those clubs gave him 6 months. In countries he's just moved to, where he doesn't know the language, and clearly would take time to settle. And honestly, it might be an unpopular opinion but I think he had more good games than bad for us. He's underwhelmed at (arguably) two, both of whom gave him almost no time. Surely for the money we paid he's worth a longer shot, because he's clearly got talent. You're just flat out making excuses for him now. He's a grown up. Other players seem to manage the transition ok. He's underwhelmed at three. Porto, here and Toulouse. Surely you can appreciate there are reasons why he frustrates fans and reasons why he's not in the team? And that he has responsibility for them? He's another one, like Berahino and Bojan, who seems to get better in absentia in some fans' eyes. The reality doesn't match the vision. Just because we paid big fees for Imbula and Saido doesn't mean they're automatically 'worth a go'. They have to earn it. I can't agree he had more good games than bad because he didn't. If he did, he'd still be here contributing to the squad. It was in Hughes' interest for him to succeed as his failure is a sizeable nail in his coffin. The faults in Imbula's game are too critical to make him a viable option. You can't play in his position and not do any defensive work and he sure as shit isn't a number 10.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 8:19:04 GMT
Arnie had a bad time under Mourinho. He was either good or up and down everywhere else. Two clubs have made Imbula their record signing and wanted rid inside a year. How many clubs and managers does he have to underwhelm for before people let this go? He comes out with the same sort of shit about Berahino !, he can't seem to get his head around the simple facts they are both shit with shit attitudes and both are shit expensive signings, there a few on here who seem to agree with him though you really couldn't make their shit up. Arnie was written off about 15 times within the first 24 months of him being here, as was Shaqiri, people wanted rid of Bojan within 2 bad performances. All 3 turned out to be fantastic players. Rinse and repeat for several other players we've signed. You'll forgive me if I'm a bit more reluctant to join the weird Stoke fan cult of hating anyone who isn't 6 foot and doesn't run around like a headless chicken.
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