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Post by Block 22 on Dec 17, 2017 10:30:22 GMT
Pulis needs to retire at this timely moment and go enjoy the south coast. Hopefully to never be seen nor heard of again! He’s still got £4million to pay back mate, the corrupt donkey!! |
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Post by ursemboys on Dec 17, 2017 10:32:32 GMT
Stay away from Stoke City we don't want you here we don't need you here ,you are poision ,do people not remember the last match v West Brom when you encouraged your team to get Stoke players sent off ,you might have a good relationship with the family but trust me you don't have one with the fans ,stay away go manage Wales ,sorry that job is taken by Mark Hughes once we sack him .
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Post by superheroantonius on Dec 17, 2017 10:33:53 GMT
Nigel Pearson built that Leicester side that won the league. He'd be a good choice. Not many people get sacked because they did a great job ( but their son is an idiot) That's harsh |
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Post by samba :) on Dec 17, 2017 10:34:17 GMT
Tone was doing his job at west brom. My god he did it
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 17, 2017 10:39:02 GMT
Admin need to start banning the morons starting these threads. They should start burning books too. For the record I DO NOT WANT PULIS BACK. But why should people be banned for wanting him back? They might be a minority (possibly a sizable one) but they’re fully entitled to their opinion. We’re threatened by relegation and he’s a specialist at avoiding relegation. Not exactly a total mismatch. Oh, and just for the record, I DON’T WANT HIM BACK! |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 17, 2017 10:42:09 GMT
Nigel Pearson doesn't deserve the credit for winning the league with Leicester any more than Boskamp deserves the credit for getting us promoted.
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Post by Pirate on Dec 17, 2017 10:50:35 GMT
I wonder if other teams long for there previous managers thus, its like Stockholm syndrome, " Please Tony, stick pins in my eyes again ".
Its irrelevant as it sits anyway, i fully expect MH to somehow still be in the job this time tomorrow, i honestly think it will be boxing day tea time at the earliest regardless of the result against WBA, as ludicrous as that is.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 17, 2017 10:51:35 GMT
THREE wins in his last TWENTY FOUR games at West Brom.
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Post by 'i'mnaked' on Dec 17, 2017 10:53:03 GMT
Anyone saying that would rather be relegated than have Pulis back is not a true Stoke fan. I have supported Stoke all my life, 35 years. I remember the Stoke playing in the Second Division. By far and away the best Stoke manager I have seen is Tony Pulis. The fight, the identity and the determination that we possessed, alongside some top quality players is now sorely lacking. The average quality of the players now I think is higher, but there is no organisation, fight or identity anymore. I honestly believe that Pulis is the only manager that can save Stoke from relegation now. THIS. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 10:54:06 GMT
THREE wins in his last TWENTY FOUR games at West Brom. THIS |
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Post by 'i'mnaked' on Dec 17, 2017 10:57:00 GMT
THREE wins in his last TWENTY FOUR games at West Brom. THIS But he always has a massively positive effect when you first takes over which is what we need. He's not the answer long term , but if he came back we'd stay up through pure organisation, then we can re-assess in summer. |
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Post by Scrotnig on Dec 17, 2017 11:00:53 GMT
I'd be happy to have Tone back if I thought he could do anything, but I cannot see him being able to do much with our current shower.
For the first time ever I honestly cannot see where we go from here.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 17, 2017 11:01:10 GMT
But he always has a massively positive effect when you first takes over which is what we need. He's not the answer long term , but if he came back we'd stay up through pure organisation, then we can re-assess in summer. At which point we're stuck with the expensive, plodding battlers he's lumbered us with. |
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 17, 2017 11:03:08 GMT
But he always has a massively positive effect when you first takes over which is what we need. He's not the answer long term , but if he came back we'd stay up through pure organisation, then we can re-assess in summer. It's a good point and I don't see why when we have players like butland, shawcross, zouma, bmi & Cameron pulis can't stop the goals going in like they are. He specialises in it. These defenders are better defenders than they are showing 10 fold. They need organising & pulis is no doubt the best at it. A good couple of signings thrown in for January and things could look very different. I think when Hughes goes and we get some organisation in it will highlight further just how poor the squad have been coached |
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Post by andyr on Dec 17, 2017 11:06:49 GMT
The problem is that the team Hughes has put together is not Premier league and we are hoping that 3 teams are worse and there aren't any.
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Post by milky on Dec 17, 2017 11:10:43 GMT
I'd be happy to have Tone back if I thought he could do anything, but I cannot see him being able to do much with our current shower. For the first time ever I honestly cannot see where we go from here. In a nutshell. This squad would be incapable of playing Pulis ball. In fact it can't play any type.It can't press because it doesn't have the legs , we can't counter attack because we lack any pace and we can't bully teams as we have no power or physical presence.Also we literally have no one who can get down the line and get a cross in from the byline. Everything comes in from 30 to 40 yards. And that's before we even mention the defensive shape. |
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Post by Godo on Dec 17, 2017 11:16:35 GMT
The only Pulis can keep us up crowd are fucking clueless. Would any of you clots have said "get Hodgson or Puel in" but look what they've done at Palace and Leicester. If the only name you can repeat is Pulis then you know nothing about football and you don't even like football.
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Dec 17, 2017 11:30:35 GMT
I don't particularly want to wade through 8 pages of Civil War, and I apologise now if anyone else has posted this, but did anyone else catch this little nugget on Talk Sport yesterday:
Have a guess how far down the candidate list Alan Pardew was for the manager's job at West Brom?
1?
2?
3?
Keep going...
- 8th!
That means 7 other people (either in a job already or not) turned them down . The point being - we are no more attractive a club than West Brom and we are very much in the same pool manager-wise now. Some of the names being floated currently at Championship clubs will no doubt have been on that list too - so don't assume Coates can wave the cheque book and Premier League status and someone will be jumping in their car to race across the A50.
The next few days and weeks are going to be critical.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 17, 2017 11:33:41 GMT
The big assumption of course is that TP would want to come back.
He might, with justification, think his work is done here.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 17, 2017 11:35:25 GMT
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Post by Fegg 'Ayes Observer on Dec 17, 2017 15:10:40 GMT
Only TP can save us
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 17, 2017 17:24:23 GMT
The "Only Tony" line is complete horseshit - there are managers out there who would keep us up and plenty who would see us relegated. Pulis's recent record with West Brom is terrible - and his last half season in charge was also terrible. He's as likely to see us relegated as keeping us up - and either way the football would be horrible, the players we have aren't suited to Pulisball, the supporters would be even more divided than they are now and season ticket sales would plummet.
Any claim that Pulis would keep us up is nonsense its just a desperate attempt by the "Friends of Tony" to get everyone to believe in the "One True Path". Give up lads - nobodies buying it.
The "we in the majority claims" are also rubbish. The manager poll has Tony Pulis down as less than 5% of the vote - so even if you genuinely believe Tony Pulis is the answer you have to acknowledge there are 19 fans screaming at the club not to make that particular nightmare come true.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 17, 2017 17:25:32 GMT
I'd still rather go down than have him back
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 17:32:50 GMT
If that means salvation I would rather suffer death by 1,000 cuts, umbongo, self flagellation, water torture, and detention by the Spanish Inquisition. Plus sticking a rusty spoon into my eyes. |
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Post by luke45 on Dec 17, 2017 19:04:59 GMT
We need to pull the trigger on Hughes and we need to do it now. Not many, if any, good candidates out there to replace him with so........ We offer Tony a short term contract to the end of the season to work his magic and get us out of the shit we are very quickly sinking into. He is the only one who I believe could turn this around quickly enough now. We know he loves/does it for the money, so we offer him a bonus of 1 million if he saves us and in the mean time we wait for the right candidate to come along, which inevitably will happen, and offer them employment from the end of the season to build their own squad early. £1 Million to keep us in the Prem is money very well spent compared to how much it will cost us if we go down to the Championship! It is an absolute no brainer right this minute! It won't be pretty, I know that, but he will do us the job we so desperately need right now because I really don't think anybody else is going to have enough time now to turn this around. We really do need to roll the dice. Im not a TP fan by the way and was glad to see the back of him, but desperate times require desperate measures and a short term fix is absolutely vital right now and I truly believe he is the only one that could do the job of turning this around quickly. That is how I see things as well. Long term I don't see a future for Pulis here, but for the next six months we need someone who can steer us clear of the worst position we have ever been at this stage in a Premier League season, for me he is the best equipped person to do that out of the current candidates available. He's not going to win over the majority of our support in an instant, some he'll never win over again, but it's about getting the players to buy into his approach and start putting points on the board, if he does that the fans will be fully behind him and the team regardless how it's done. With Rangers seemingly keen to approach him we need to act sooner rather than later, with 10 wins from 42 league games there is little evidence to suggest Hughes is going to find the solution to turn this club around any time soon. Offer Pulis a survival bonus, install him until the end of the season and then assess things from May 2018 onwards and see who's available then. |
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 17, 2017 19:08:51 GMT
We need to pull the trigger on Hughes and we need to do it now. Not many, if any, good candidates out there to replace him with so........ We offer Tony a short term contract to the end of the season to work his magic and get us out of the shit we are very quickly sinking into. He is the only one who I believe could turn this around quickly enough now. We know he loves/does it for the money, so we offer him a bonus of 1 million if he saves us and in the mean time we wait for the right candidate to come along, which inevitably will happen, and offer them employment from the end of the season to build their own squad early. £1 Million to keep us in the Prem is money very well spent compared to how much it will cost us if we go down to the Championship! It is an absolute no brainer right this minute! It won't be pretty, I know that, but he will do us the job we so desperately need right now because I really don't think anybody else is going to have enough time now to turn this around. We really do need to roll the dice. Im not a TP fan by the way and was glad to see the back of him, but desperate times require desperate measures and a short term fix is absolutely vital right now and I truly believe he is the only one that could do the job of turning this around quickly. That is how I see things as well. Long term I don't see a future for Pulis here, but for the next six months we need someone who can steer us clear of the worst position we have ever been at this stage in a Premier League season, for me he is the best equipped person to do that out of the current candidates available. He's not going to win over the majority of our support in an instant, some he'll never win over again, but it's about getting the players to buy into his approach and start putting points on the board, if he does that the fans will be fully behind him and the team regardless how it's done. With Rangers seemingly keen to approach him we need to act sooner rather than later, with 10 wins from 42 league games there is little evidence to suggest Hughes is going to find the solution to turn this club around any time soon. Offer Pulis a survival bonus, install him until the end of the season and then assess things from May 2018 onwards and see who's available then. The side assembled by Toxic at WBA has won 2 in 27 league games. That is a worse record than we have now. 2 things, why would he come here for 6 months and how the fuck can you replace one manager with another who has a worse record? It's mind boggling the shit Stoke fans come up with. |
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 17, 2017 19:21:44 GMT
That is how I see things as well. Long term I don't see a future for Pulis here, but for the next six months we need someone who can steer us clear of the worst position we have ever been at this stage in a Premier League season, for me he is the best equipped person to do that out of the current candidates available. He's not going to win over the majority of our support in an instant, some he'll never win over again, but it's about getting the players to buy into his approach and start putting points on the board, if he does that the fans will be fully behind him and the team regardless how it's done. With Rangers seemingly keen to approach him we need to act sooner rather than later, with 10 wins from 42 league games there is little evidence to suggest Hughes is going to find the solution to turn this club around any time soon. Offer Pulis a survival bonus, install him until the end of the season and then assess things from May 2018 onwards and see who's available then. The side assembled by Toxic at WBA has won 2 in 27 league games. That is a worse record than we have now. 2 things, why would he come here for 6 months and how the fuck can you replace one manager with another who has a worse record? It's mind boggling the shit Stoke fans come up with. Here's how I imagine the conversation would go: PC: Tone, we want you to come back for 5 months - £1m if you keep us up, then you walk away. TP: Bollocks, I want 2.5yrs PLUS £1m for survival every season PC: I'll give you 18 months plus the survival bonus TP: 18 months plus automatic 12 month extension if we're still in the Premier League, plus the bonus PC: Deal We're then lumbered and can look forward to signing Shane Long and a 39yr old John Terry. No way on earth would he accept a 5 month contract. |
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Post by luke45 on Dec 17, 2017 19:43:22 GMT
That is how I see things as well. Long term I don't see a future for Pulis here, but for the next six months we need someone who can steer us clear of the worst position we have ever been at this stage in a Premier League season, for me he is the best equipped person to do that out of the current candidates available. He's not going to win over the majority of our support in an instant, some he'll never win over again, but it's about getting the players to buy into his approach and start putting points on the board, if he does that the fans will be fully behind him and the team regardless how it's done. With Rangers seemingly keen to approach him we need to act sooner rather than later, with 10 wins from 42 league games there is little evidence to suggest Hughes is going to find the solution to turn this club around any time soon. Offer Pulis a survival bonus, install him until the end of the season and then assess things from May 2018 onwards and see who's available then. The side assembled by Toxic at WBA has won 2 in 27 league games. That is a worse record than we have now. 2 things, why would he come here for 6 months and how the fuck can you replace one manager with another who has a worse record? It's mind boggling the shit Stoke fans come up with. I'm not even going to waste my time getting into a long and winding discussion about this with you because your stance on Pulis has been clear on here throughout a fair portion of the time he was at the club and ever since he has gone, you're entitled to your opinion as much as I and any other Stoke fan is. Out of interest, where do you think the club should turn to at this stage? Do you think Hughes should be given more time? Pulis's record of 2 wins in 27 games is pretty similar to his record of 4 wins in his last 23 games at Stoke before he was removed, I don't doubt for a second that things would become stale and stagnated again should Pulis remain in charge at Stoke long term. But this isn't about the long term, this is about finding a way to put 8 wins on the board from our remaining 20 games and at this stage I would back Pulis to be able to achieve that more than I would Hughes. Regardless how you feel about Pulis, you would be pushed to find a manager who is current available who boasts a better CV at managing a situation like this than him. Whether he would come here until the end of the season is another matter entirely, Crystal Palace were hardly an attractive proposition when he took over there in late November 2013 but he was able to pull them out of it and achieve an 11th place finish and be named manager of the year with a squad that wasn't much stronger than ours currently is. Personally I think with the motivation of a survival bonus and the chance to perhaps re-build his reputation with people in and around the club again I think he'd be tempted, he certainly appears to still be on decent terms with the Coates family. The club have a very big decision to make one way or another over the next few weeks and none of us can be totally sure of what the best decision to make would be, let's just hope for all of our sakes that the right decisions are made and we are able to pull ourselves away from this very worrying situation we are in at the moment, fall out of this division and it could be a very long way back. |
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 17, 2017 20:22:06 GMT
The side assembled by Toxic at WBA has won 2 in 27 league games. That is a worse record than we have now. 2 things, why would he come here for 6 months and how the fuck can you replace one manager with another who has a worse record? It's mind boggling the shit Stoke fans come up with. I'm not even going to waste my time getting into a long and winding discussion about this with you because your stance on Pulis has been clear on here throughout a fair portion of the time he was at the club and ever since he has gone, you're entitled to your opinion as much as I and any other Stoke fan is. Out of interest, where do you think the club should turn to at this stage? Do you think Hughes should be given more time? Pulis's record of 2 wins in 27 games is pretty similar to his record of 4 wins in his last 23 games at Stoke before he was removed, I don't doubt for a second that things would become stale and stagnated again should Pulis remain in charge at Stoke long term. But this isn't about the long term, this is about finding a way to put 8 wins on the board from our remaining 20 games and at this stage I would back Pulis to be able to achieve that more than I would Hughes. Regardless how you feel about Pulis, you would be pushed to find a manager who is current available who boasts a better CV at managing a situation like this than him. Whether he would come here until the end of the season is another matter entirely, Crystal Palace were hardly an attractive proposition when he took over there in late November 2013 but he was able to pull them out of it and achieve an 11th place finish and be named manager of the year with a squad that wasn't much stronger than ours currently is. Personally I think with the motivation of a survival bonus and the chance to perhaps re-build his reputation with people in and around the club again I think he'd be tempted, he certainly appears to still be on decent terms with the Coates family. The club have a very big decision to make one way or another over the next few weeks and none of us can be totally sure of what the best decision to make would be, let's just hope for all of our sakes that the right decisions are made and we are able to pull ourselves away from this very worrying situation we are in at the moment, fall out of this division and it could be a very long way back. But it's not a Hughes or Pulis decision, it's a Hughes or AN Other decision. We're fixated with 'well he has done it before, so he'll do it again' or 'he hasn't done it before, so he won't be able to do it'. It's the reason that the likes of Pardew, Allardyce, Pulis, Moyes, Hodgson etc keep getting employed on the manager merry go round. Sacked, hired, sacked, hired. It's absolutely ridiculous. Fo what it's worth, Pulis has been parachuted into 2 jobs mid season to save them, and he did it. Hughes was parachuted into 1 job mid season to save them, and guess what... He did it. They've both proved that they can be very good, or very bad, it seems to me that all the good that Hughes has ever done has now been quickly forgotten, and all the bad that Pulis has ever done has also been forgotten. The fact is they have very similar records. We don't need somebody who is an expert at avoiding relegation, we need somebody who is an expert at the things that are wrong with the squad, whether that's shape, formation, fitness, finishing, whatever... The best man for the job is the man who can identify the issues we have and fix them as quickly as possible, not somebody with a track record of being football's Red Adaire. Survival will then naturally follow. There a big world out there and if we're so narrow minded to think that the only guy to save us is the guy who is currently unemployed because his record is no better than our current manager, then I really do fear for us. |
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Post by luke45 on Dec 17, 2017 22:39:41 GMT
I'm not even going to waste my time getting into a long and winding discussion about this with you because your stance on Pulis has been clear on here throughout a fair portion of the time he was at the club and ever since he has gone, you're entitled to your opinion as much as I and any other Stoke fan is. Out of interest, where do you think the club should turn to at this stage? Do you think Hughes should be given more time? Pulis's record of 2 wins in 27 games is pretty similar to his record of 4 wins in his last 23 games at Stoke before he was removed, I don't doubt for a second that things would become stale and stagnated again should Pulis remain in charge at Stoke long term. But this isn't about the long term, this is about finding a way to put 8 wins on the board from our remaining 20 games and at this stage I would back Pulis to be able to achieve that more than I would Hughes. Regardless how you feel about Pulis, you would be pushed to find a manager who is current available who boasts a better CV at managing a situation like this than him. Whether he would come here until the end of the season is another matter entirely, Crystal Palace were hardly an attractive proposition when he took over there in late November 2013 but he was able to pull them out of it and achieve an 11th place finish and be named manager of the year with a squad that wasn't much stronger than ours currently is. Personally I think with the motivation of a survival bonus and the chance to perhaps re-build his reputation with people in and around the club again I think he'd be tempted, he certainly appears to still be on decent terms with the Coates family. The club have a very big decision to make one way or another over the next few weeks and none of us can be totally sure of what the best decision to make would be, let's just hope for all of our sakes that the right decisions are made and we are able to pull ourselves away from this very worrying situation we are in at the moment, fall out of this division and it could be a very long way back. But it's not a Hughes or Pulis decision, it's a Hughes or AN Other decision. We're fixated with 'well he has done it before, so he'll do it again' or 'he hasn't done it before, so he won't be able to do it'. It's the reason that the likes of Pardew, Allardyce, Pulis, Moyes, Hodgson etc keep getting employed on the manager merry go round. Sacked, hired, sacked, hired. It's absolutely ridiculous. Fo what it's worth, Pulis has been parachuted into 2 jobs mid season to save them, and he did it. Hughes was parachuted into 1 job mid season to save them, and guess what... He did it. They've both proved that they can be very good, or very bad, it seems to me that all the good that Hughes has ever done has now been quickly forgotten, and all the bad that Pulis has ever done has also been forgotten. The fact is they have very similar records. We don't need somebody who is an expert at avoiding relegation, we need somebody who is an expert at the things that are wrong with the squad, whether that's shape, formation, fitness, finishing, whatever... The best man for the job is the man who can identify the issues we have and fix them as quickly as possible, not somebody with a track record of being football's Red Adaire. Survival will then naturally follow. There a big world out there and if we're so narrow minded to think that the only guy to save us is the guy who is currently unemployed because his record is no better than our current manager, then I really do fear for us. Well like I've said, in my opinion Pulis is the most equipped manager currently available to manage a situation like the one we are in so that's what I'm comparing the impact he could make with the one Hughes is currently making. Three of the five managers you have mentioned have come in to their respective clubs in recent months and done very well so far, how much success they will bring long term is another matter but Allardyce, Moyes and Hodgson have made a quick impact at their clubs and the owners are probably feeling justified in appointing them. The bad that Pulis brought certainly hasn't been forgotten by me as I've quoted his 4 wins from his last 23 Stoke games and also said that I don't think he'd be the right man long term as things would become stale and stagnated again. And as for Sparky, as much as I feel it is time for a change I certainly wont be joining in any ' Hughes Out ' chants at any games as I feel he deserves much more respect than that for the work he has done at Stoke over the last four years. |
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