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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 16, 2024 20:44:50 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 16, 2024 20:45:07 GMT
After a negative week for Labour they have smashed the Tories Reform did well but even if Tories had all their votes they would still have lost There's no doubt now we are heading for a Labour landslide The Reform vote was disappointing and just goes to show how hard it is to break through. They've got to get Farage out as the face of it to have a chance of winning seats. Ben Habib is an absolute class act too but the reality is, most the country still don't know who Reform are and it doesn't matter how sensible, popular or reasoned your message is as a party, if people know you, they aren't going to vote for you. How Ed Davey has retained his job is beyond me. A total catastrophe for the Lib Dems and their fellow eco zealots in the Green Party. I missed the “Ben Habib is a class act” point… so class that he spent the morning of the byelection campaigning in a region not even covered by the constituency he was hoping to get elected in!!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 16, 2024 20:57:35 GMT
That's why I think he is an enigma. I think he is too close to Trump and the Russians. But there's more too him and the issues than that. It's like saying Corbyn supports Hamas so he is totally irrelevant.... Hamas have caused more deaths than Trump. With respect, you are just repeating populism, the easy route, the establishment, , let's get Farage, he's the real threat. Keep supporting Labour and the Tories! Sweet Muhammad And just like that, almost 4 years on the rebuttal to having a mirror held up to your complete nonsense is to reach for... Jeremy Corbyn 🤣 *I'm also not Prestwich, so this doesn't land anywhere near as well as you would like. We can't be far off some YouTube clips of Tony Benn now, surely? No idea what you are talking about. Never mind
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 16, 2024 21:03:58 GMT
Lib Dems are / have been a significant part of the problem in British politics alongside the Tories and Labour. In fact they are possibly more responsible for propping up the system as the big two.....giving forlorn hope as an alternative , but ready to step in yo prop up whichever party doesn't quite make it in government. But they also gave us all the opportunity to transfer our political system forever. And we blew it. Labour and tory will never do that sadly. Oggy, on another level, they've been around so long with no impact , people just ignore them. That's not particularly a political point, more a marketing , social behaviour point. They are totally irrelevant. People will either go with the traditional system ( Labour or Tory) or look for something new. Human behaviour. You are flogging a dead horse. What things " should be" theoretically is different from what they actually are. Lib Dems should pack it in And join Reform
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 16, 2024 22:17:47 GMT
To be fair Lib Dems and Ed Davey may as well pick their ball up and go home. They've become an absolute irrelevance.......... Have they? My local MP is a lib dem. I wonder how much more relevant they will be after the next election compared to reform or the greens both of whom may not win a seat. With your attitude, it is labour or tory forever and nobody should ever complain about it because if you are not one of them you are irrelevant. The best policies that have become law of the last 14 years have come from the lib dems in the coalition. Just a shame Gordon Brown was too proud to form a government with them. Things could now be very different. They will have a few MP’s of course, but Ed Davey is an absolute waste of space, they should have gone with Layla Moran. The Greens will take Brighton and possibly Bristol and Sheffield but no more……
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Post by gawa on Feb 16, 2024 23:10:43 GMT
Not a fan of all his politics but prefer him to most tories as a leftie. It's a bit of an enigma for me Gawa. He's different from the main stream politicians. He dies speak his mind, a conviction man , a leader. He believes in the Uk. He has actually achieved more than most and is prepared to work alongside Galloway and Clare Fox to achieve common goals.....and they have worked with him....which to me makes all the short sighted " limited" " ignorant" ( I the best meaning of the word ) on here less relevant. He is bothered about representation and democracy and sovereignty....issues which matter to the working class. He is a critic of the system and of Labour and Tory .....like most on here But I believe most are too scared to make a significant jump and really prefer the status quo and simply to talk about politics ....rather than have the courage to risk change, to do something different. In my opinion I do think he gets alot of bad press in the uk likely because he is a threat to the status quo. I see similarities between him and corbyn in the sense that they both great campaigners and at rallying on the streets. Both share a common enemy against elites and establishments*. Like Corbyn he is also a visionary who is great at canvassing his ideas for his supporters. One key difference though would be that Farage has never held a position in Westminster and has never been a member of a party which holds much influence in Westminster. So in some ways it could be argued he's had a very easy ride as its easy to call for brexit and then criticise it as the wrong brexit when you're not accountable. If he gets into Westminster he will have to vote on these things and likely won't please everyone. Still think he'd be a breath of fresh air but too right wing for me. If it was a choice between him and a tory I'd give him a go. Can't be worse? He is very cosy to the conservatives being on gb news and attending their conference parties and stuff. Would he sellout and join the tories? I wouldn't be at all surprised for their big election plan to be announcing Nigel as a candidate in a safe seat with him becoming new party leader at potential pm. If that was to happen after the last 14 years then it would feel like a sellout and I'd lose a bit of respect for him. * - I understand alot of his supporters see this. I can't be 100% sure it's genuine myself and someone on the right may say the same about corbyn. I guess you could say both are a bit more radical.
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Post by lordb on Feb 16, 2024 23:31:58 GMT
He's at the very least as much a charlatan as any UK politician can think of Has absolutely no interest in what is best for the country Incorrect The opposite in fact. If anything he is blind to the " bad parts" of Britain 's past and puts the Uk before any other consideration....but he is a grater believer in the UK than any/ most other UK politicians, He believes in nothing but money
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 17, 2024 0:30:05 GMT
The Reform vote was disappointing and just goes to show how hard it is to break through. They've got to get Farage out as the face of it to have a chance of winning seats. Ben Habib is an absolute class act too but the reality is, most the country still don't know who Reform are and it doesn't matter how sensible, popular or reasoned your message is as a party, if people know you, they aren't going to vote for you. How Ed Davey has retained his job is beyond me. A total catastrophe for the Lib Dems and their fellow eco zealots in the Green Party. I missed the “Ben Habib is a class act” point… so class that he spent the morning of the byelection campaigning in a region not even covered by the constituency he was hoping to get elected in!! Anyone would think you're a die hard lib dem supporter oggy. They are a total waste of space that no one cares about anymore. Deal with it.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 17, 2024 0:36:32 GMT
It's a bit of an enigma for me Gawa. He's different from the main stream politicians. He dies speak his mind, a conviction man , a leader. He believes in the Uk. He has actually achieved more than most and is prepared to work alongside Galloway and Clare Fox to achieve common goals.....and they have worked with him....which to me makes all the short sighted " limited" " ignorant" ( I the best meaning of the word ) on here less relevant. He is bothered about representation and democracy and sovereignty....issues which matter to the working class. He is a critic of the system and of Labour and Tory .....like most on here But I believe most are too scared to make a significant jump and really prefer the status quo and simply to talk about politics ....rather than have the courage to risk change, to do something different. In my opinion I do think he gets alot of bad press in the uk likely because he is a threat to the status quo. I see similarities between him and corbyn in the sense that they both great campaigners and at rallying on the streets. Both share a common enemy against elites and establishments*. Like Corbyn he is also a visionary who is great at canvassing his ideas for his supporters. One key difference though would be that Farage has never held a position in Westminster and has never been a member of a party which holds much influence in Westminster. So in some ways it could be argued he's had a very easy ride as its easy to call for brexit and then criticise it as the wrong brexit when you're not accountable. If he gets into Westminster he will have to vote on these things and likely won't please everyone. Still think he'd be a breath of fresh air but too right wing for me. If it was a choice between him and a tory I'd give him a go. Can't be worse? He is very cosy to the conservatives being on gb news and attending their conference parties and stuff. Would he sellout and join the tories? I wouldn't be at all surprised for their big election plan to be announcing Nigel as a candidate in a safe seat with him becoming new party leader at potential pm. If that was to happen after the last 14 years then it would feel like a sellout and I'd lose a bit of respect for him. * - I understand alot of his supporters see this. I can't be 100% sure it's genuine myself and someone on the right may say the same about corbyn. I guess you could say both are a bit more radical. Blimey GAWA you've gone off the reservation with this post. Forage is a treat to no-one Politically he has stood 7 times to get elected as an MP and lost every time. Is he an irritant to the Conservatives, yes and I'm all for it. He knows he's a failed Politician so he's free to spout any old bollocks some Right Wing Conservatives would like to, but won't. I'm truly shocked you would compare Farage to Corbyn, even for the caveated reasons you give. They're nothing alike, one is a principled Politician the other is an Opportunist. I don't have to explain which is which Farage has attended more Party's than Kate Moss including the Conservative Party for 14 years until he found it not right wing enough and saw a niche to form UKIP There isn't a Fag Paper of difference between Farage and the Right Wing of the Conservatives so depending on events any outcome is possible. Your scenario of White Knight Farage being invited back into the Tent would fill me with pleasure as it would finally expose them for what they are. Your * Public School Educated, Courts Banking Nige couldn't be more "Elite" Pint Drinking Nige likes to portray a different persona
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Post by elystokie on Feb 17, 2024 1:04:51 GMT
I do think he gets alot of bad press in the uk likely because he is a threat to the status quo. I see similarities between him and corbyn in the sense that they both great campaigners and at rallying on the streets. Both share a common enemy against elites and establishments*. Like Corbyn he is also a visionary who is great at canvassing his ideas for his supporters. One key difference though would be that Farage has never held a position in Westminster and has never been a member of a party which holds much influence in Westminster. So in some ways it could be argued he's had a very easy ride as its easy to call for brexit and then criticise it as the wrong brexit when you're not accountable. If he gets into Westminster he will have to vote on these things and likely won't please everyone. Still think he'd be a breath of fresh air but too right wing for me. If it was a choice between him and a tory I'd give him a go. Can't be worse? He is very cosy to the conservatives being on gb news and attending their conference parties and stuff. Would he sellout and join the tories? I wouldn't be at all surprised for their big election plan to be announcing Nigel as a candidate in a safe seat with him becoming new party leader at potential pm. If that was to happen after the last 14 years then it would feel like a sellout and I'd lose a bit of respect for him. * - I understand alot of his supporters see this. I can't be 100% sure it's genuine myself and someone on the right may say the same about corbyn. I guess you could say both are a bit more radical. Blimey GAWA you've gone off the reservation with this post. Forage is a treat to no-one Politically he has stood 7 times to get elected as an MP and lost every time. Is he an irritant to the Conservatives, yes and I'm all for it. He knows he's a failed Politician so he's free to spout any old bollocks some Right Wing Conservatives would like to, but won't. I'm truly shocked you would compare Farage to Corbyn, even for the caveated reasons you give. They're nothing alike, one is a principled Politician the other is an Opportunist. I don't have to explain which is which Farage has attended more Party's than Kate Moss including the Conservative Party for 14 years until he found it not right wing enough and saw a niche to form UKIP There isn't a Fag Paper of difference between Farage and the Right Wing of the Conservatives so depending on events any outcome is possible. Your scenario of White Knight Farage being invited back into the Tent would fill me with pleasure as it would finally expose them for what they are. Your * Public School Educated, Courts Banking Nige couldn't be more "Elite" Pint Drinking Nige likes to portray a different persona Exactly. Farage and the Tories are just two cheeks of the same arse.
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Post by gawa on Feb 17, 2024 1:26:29 GMT
I do think he gets alot of bad press in the uk likely because he is a threat to the status quo. I see similarities between him and corbyn in the sense that they both great campaigners and at rallying on the streets. Both share a common enemy against elites and establishments*. Like Corbyn he is also a visionary who is great at canvassing his ideas for his supporters. One key difference though would be that Farage has never held a position in Westminster and has never been a member of a party which holds much influence in Westminster. So in some ways it could be argued he's had a very easy ride as its easy to call for brexit and then criticise it as the wrong brexit when you're not accountable. If he gets into Westminster he will have to vote on these things and likely won't please everyone. Still think he'd be a breath of fresh air but too right wing for me. If it was a choice between him and a tory I'd give him a go. Can't be worse? He is very cosy to the conservatives being on gb news and attending their conference parties and stuff. Would he sellout and join the tories? I wouldn't be at all surprised for their big election plan to be announcing Nigel as a candidate in a safe seat with him becoming new party leader at potential pm. If that was to happen after the last 14 years then it would feel like a sellout and I'd lose a bit of respect for him. * - I understand alot of his supporters see this. I can't be 100% sure it's genuine myself and someone on the right may say the same about corbyn. I guess you could say both are a bit more radical. Blimey GAWA you've gone off the reservation with this post. Forage is a treat to no-one Politically he has stood 7 times to get elected as an MP and lost every time. Is he an irritant to the Conservatives, yes and I'm all for it. He knows he's a failed Politician so he's free to spout any old bollocks some Right Wing Conservatives would like to, but won't. I'm truly shocked you would compare Farage to Corbyn, even for the caveated reasons you give. They're nothing alike, one is a principled Politician the other is an Opportunist. I don't have to explain which is which Farage has attended more Party's than Kate Moss including the Conservative Party for 14 years until he found it not right wing enough and saw a niche to form UKIP There isn't a Fag Paper of difference between Farage and the Right Wing of the Conservatives so depending on events any outcome is possible. Your scenario of White Knight Farage being invited back into the Tent would fill me with pleasure as it would finally expose them for what they are. Your * Public School Educated, Courts Banking Nige couldn't be more "Elite" Pint Drinking Nige likes to portray a different persona The thing is if Farage stood as a tory in the sort of safe seats the likes of JRM, Johnson, Sunak, Braverman etc.. hold he would have been a politician a long time ago. Even in swing seats he probably would have had a good chance being elected as a tory. I don't see the issue with comparing him to Corbyn. Of course I know they're opposites of the political spectrum. But I'd argue both along with Johnson have what I'd call the Trump factor. I think both of them do receive more negative publicity than other politicians. They are both also politically homeless too. While they aren't similar in political views, there are certainly parallels in their ability to resonate with their supporters. He's not someone I'd be voting for but after the last 14 years if it was between torys or farages reform, I'd take the latter. While I don't agree with all their politics, I just don't think they can be worse than the current lot. At least they'd put electoral voting reform through too. None of this means I'm voting reform or tory (I can't anyway) but as of now I'd take reform over tory if that was the choice.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 17, 2024 2:33:56 GMT
Blimey GAWA you've gone off the reservation with this post. Forage is a treat to no-one Politically he has stood 7 times to get elected as an MP and lost every time. Is he an irritant to the Conservatives, yes and I'm all for it. He knows he's a failed Politician so he's free to spout any old bollocks some Right Wing Conservatives would like to, but won't. I'm truly shocked you would compare Farage to Corbyn, even for the caveated reasons you give. They're nothing alike, one is a principled Politician the other is an Opportunist. I don't have to explain which is which Farage has attended more Party's than Kate Moss including the Conservative Party for 14 years until he found it not right wing enough and saw a niche to form UKIP There isn't a Fag Paper of difference between Farage and the Right Wing of the Conservatives so depending on events any outcome is possible. Your scenario of White Knight Farage being invited back into the Tent would fill me with pleasure as it would finally expose them for what they are. Your * Public School Educated, Courts Banking Nige couldn't be more "Elite" Pint Drinking Nige likes to portray a different persona The thing is if Farage stood as a tory in the sort of safe seats the likes of JRM, Johnson, Sunak, Braverman etc.. hold he would have been a politician a long time ago. Even in swing seats he probably would have had a good chance being elected as a tory. I don't see the issue with comparing him to Corbyn. Of course I know they're opposites of the political spectrum. But I'd argue both along with Johnson have what I'd call the Trump factor. I think both of them do receive more negative publicity than other politicians. They are both also politically homeless too. While they aren't similar in political views, there are certainly parallels in their ability to resonate with their supporters. He's not someone I'd be voting for but after the last 14 years if it was between torys or farages reform, I'd take the latter. While I don't agree with all their politics, I just don't think they can be worse than the current lot. At least they'd put electoral voting reform through too. None of this means I'm voting reform or tory (I can't anyway) but as of now I'd take reform over tory if that was the choice. I defer to the eloquence of Ely above, Farage is a Racist Spiv. I concede if he stood for Election and wore a Blue Rosette in the stead of the Tory Reprobates you name check above he would have been duly elected and then quite likely elevated to high Office. That says more about the Electorate of those Constituencies than it does about the Candidates themselves I still find the comparison of Farage to Corbyn bizarre but I accept your notion of charisma to their followers In my opinion it would be like comparing Ian Paisley to John Hulme both terrific orators who gained a tremendous following but preached a very different message
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 17, 2024 7:11:53 GMT
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Post by satoshi on Feb 17, 2024 7:44:43 GMT
For me it’s that and giant rubber fists If Ed Davey ever decides to use giant rubber fists in one of his “smashing down the blue wall” gimmicks, you’ll be in trouble then! He would literally become a destroyer of worlds
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Feb 17, 2024 9:00:44 GMT
Unbelievable that people still think Farage is the answer.
People say there should be PR so that he can have a seat at the table. Of course he had a seat at the EU table but couldn't be arsed to turn up and just whined his bag off.
Part of me thinks he should get some role just so that the faithful can see that ,like Johnson, he is not the great hope for UK politics, but the shit floating to the surface.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 17, 2024 9:09:38 GMT
I missed the “Ben Habib is a class act” point… so class that he spent the morning of the byelection campaigning in a region not even covered by the constituency he was hoping to get elected in!! Anyone would think you're a die hard lib dem supporter oggy. They are a total waste of space that no one cares about anymore. Deal with it. What are Reform then!? Lib dems will do far better than Reform at the next election. Will Reform fail to even get a seat?
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 17, 2024 9:11:54 GMT
But they also gave us all the opportunity to transfer our political system forever. And we blew it. Labour and tory will never do that sadly. Oggy, on another level, they've been around so long with no impact , people just ignore them. That's not particularly a political point, more a marketing , social behaviour point. They are totally irrelevant. People will either go with the traditional system ( Labour or Tory) or look for something new. Human behaviour. You are flogging a dead horse. What things " should be" theoretically is different from what they actually are. Lib Dems should pack it in And join Reform Why should a party that win seats at every election join with a party that in its various forms has barely ever had a MP!? You and others who claim to be for electoral reform are massive hypocrites if you say lib dems should give up. They have for years championed the cause you claim to be behind!
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Post by 828492 on Feb 17, 2024 9:37:01 GMT
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Post by lawrieleslie on Feb 17, 2024 9:41:13 GMT
Oggy, on another level, they've been around so long with no impact , people just ignore them. That's not particularly a political point, more a marketing , social behaviour point. They are totally irrelevant. People will either go with the traditional system ( Labour or Tory) or look for something new. Human behaviour. You are flogging a dead horse. What things " should be" theoretically is different from what they actually are. Lib Dems should pack it in And join Reform Why should a party that win seats at every election join with a party that in its various forms has barely ever had a MP!? You and others who claim to be for electoral reform are massive hypocrites if you say lib dems should give up. They have for years championed the cause you claim to be behind! I agree no party should give up. But until we have a different type of voting system, voting for "fringe" parties is seen as a wasted vote and until some kind of proportional representation is adopted, a two part system will forever prevail. The attempt ten years ago to vote on the badly thought out Alternative Voting system was poorly championed for obvious reasons. I’ve stated these statistics before from 2015 GE that demonstrates my point….UKIP polled almost 4m votes for 1 HoC seat but SNP polled under 1.5m votes for 56 seats. Democracy my arse.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 17, 2024 9:45:43 GMT
Why should a party that win seats at every election join with a party that in its various forms has barely ever had a MP!? You and others who claim to be for electoral reform are massive hypocrites if you say lib dems should give up. They have for years championed the cause you claim to be behind! I agree no party should give up. But until we have a different type of voting system, voting for "fringe" parties is seen as a wasted vote and until some kind of proportional representation is adopted, a two part system will forever prevail. The attempt ten years ago to vote on the badly thought out Alternative Voting system was poorly championed for obvious reasons. I’ve stated these statistics before from 2015 GE that demonstrates my point….UKIP polled almost 4m votes for 1 HoC seat but SNP polled under 1.5m votes for 56 seats. Democracy my arse. I agree that electoral reform is essential. The lib dems in coalition actually gave us the chance to change it and those who did not vote for it failed us all. We would not be in the disastrous state we are had we changed the voting system then. In my area, it is lib dem or tory. So voting lib dem is important in certain areas.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 17, 2024 10:09:03 GMT
'he is bothered about representation and democracy' As proven of course by the unrepentant support given to the self confessed sex offender and insitgiator of political insurrection across the pond and his apologist appeasement for our very own European dictator. Sweet Jesus. That's why I think he is an enigma. I think he is too close to Trump and the Russians. But there's more to him and the issues than that. It's like saying Corbyn supports Hamas so he is totally irrelevant.... Hamas have caused more deaths than Trump. With respect, you are just repeating populism, the easy route, the establishment, , let's get Farage, he's the real threat. Keep supporting Labour and the Tories! Sweet Muhammad And when Farage joins the Tories what then? Presumably then it will be ok to'keep supporting' the tories?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 17, 2024 10:21:10 GMT
Anyone would think you're a die hard lib dem supporter oggy. They are a total waste of space that no one cares about anymore. Deal with it. What are Reform then!? Lib dems will do far better than Reform at the next election. Will Reform fail to even get a seat? Ridiculous comparison. One is a party created barely two years ago, the other has been around decades and yet the former is already polling higher.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 17, 2024 10:32:47 GMT
The Reform vote was disappointing and just goes to show how hard it is to break through. They've got to get Farage out as the face of it to have a chance of winning seats. Ben Habib is an absolute class act too but the reality is, most the country still don't know who Reform are and it doesn't matter how sensible, popular or reasoned your message is as a party, if people know you, they aren't going to vote for you. How Ed Davey has retained his job is beyond me. A total catastrophe for the Lib Dems and their fellow eco zealots in the Green Party. I missed the “Ben Habib is a class act” point… so class that he spent the morning of the byelection campaigning in a region not even covered by the constituency he was hoping to get elected in!! Likewise - heard him interviewed a few weeks back tying himself in knots over what an 'indigenous' person was. Had it been a Labour candidate in a similar situation on gender identity no doubt he would have been accordingly ridiculed by the GB news lot.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 17, 2024 10:39:36 GMT
What are Reform then!? Lib dems will do far better than Reform at the next election. Will Reform fail to even get a seat? Ridiculous comparison. One is a party created barely two years ago, the other has been around decades and yet the former is already polling higher. Do you think reform will get more or fewer seats at the next election? In my area, reform won’t feature.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 17, 2024 10:40:27 GMT
I missed the “Ben Habib is a class act” point… so class that he spent the morning of the byelection campaigning in a region not even covered by the constituency he was hoping to get elected in!! Likewise - heard him interviewed a few weeks back tying himself in knots over what an 'indigenous' person was. Had it been a Labour candidate in a similar situation on gender identity no doubt he would have been accordingly ridiculed by the GB news lot. Reform’s candidates make Liz Truss look a sensible and serious politician
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 17, 2024 10:48:53 GMT
Ridiculous comparison. One is a party created barely two years ago, the other has been around decades and yet the former is already polling higher. Do you think reform will get more or fewer seats at the next election? In my area, reform won’t feature. I've no idea but I bet they will get significantly more votes from the British public. In my area lib dems and greens won't feature.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Feb 17, 2024 10:53:15 GMT
Utilities are a joke - all need to be brought back into state ownership, no matter the party in charge. The way the world is spinning out of control we will forever be at the mercy of foreign powers until we get a grip on the nuts and bolts of our society.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 17, 2024 10:53:59 GMT
Likewise - heard him interviewed a few weeks back tying himself in knots over what an 'indigenous' person was. Had it been a Labour candidate in a similar situation on gender identity no doubt he would have been accordingly ridiculed by the GB news lot. Reform’s candidates make Liz Truss look a sensible and serious politician It's a lazy comment and fairly rich coming from a supporter of the "lets overthrow democracy and overturn Brexit" or "I need to resign because I can't deal with supporting gay people" party. Ben Habib is fantastic candidate, a highly successful guy in his own right and significantly more articulate than the vast majority of useless mp's kicking about parliament. By all means criticise their views or values but to say the likes of Habib or Tice are not "sensible" or "serious" is just factually wrong and needs calling out.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 17, 2024 11:06:07 GMT
Do you think reform will get more or fewer seats at the next election? In my area, reform won’t feature. I've no idea but I bet they will get significantly more votes from the British public. In my area lib dems and greens won't feature. Third parties including Reform and the Greens and the Lib Dems are essential. Else we end up with the car crash that is US politics. Any Reform fan, or supporter of electoral reform is a massive hypocrite guilty of double standards if they think the lib dems should give up. It defies the entire (supposed) purpose of Reform. Reform need the Lib Dem’s and lib dem supporters (and vice versa) if they ever really want to achieve electoral reform.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 17, 2024 11:17:15 GMT
Reform’s candidates make Liz Truss look a sensible and serious politician It's a lazy comment and fairly rich coming from a supporter of the "lets overthrow democracy and overturn Brexit" or "I need to resign because I can't deal with supporting gay people" party. Ben Habib is fantastic candidate, a highly successful guy in his own right and significantly more articulate than the vast majority of useless mp's kicking about parliament. By all means criticise their views or values but to say the likes of Habib or Tice are not "sensible" or "serious" is just factually wrong and needs calling out. He doesn’t even know the boundaries of the constituency he was trying to get elected in!? No serious or sensible politician does that.
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