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Post by lordb on Feb 16, 2024 12:21:52 GMT
Wellingborough:LAB: 45.9% (+19.5) 13,844 (+107) CON: 24.6% (-37.6) 7,408 (-24,869) REF: 13.0% (+13.0) 3,919 (+3,919) LDEM: 4.7% (-3.1) 1,422 (-2,656) GRN: 3.4% (-0.1) 1,020 (-801) Kingswood:LAB: 44.9% (+11.5) 11,176 (-5,316) CON: 34.9% (-21.3) 8,675 (-19,037) REF: 10.4% (+10.4) 2,758 (+2,758) GRN: 5.8% (+3.4) 1,459 (+259) LDEM: 3.5% (-3.5) 861 (-2,560) UKIP: 0.5% (+0.5) 129 (+129) Conservative vote dropping like a stone. Tories aren't voting Labour they're just not turning up. Lib Dems may as well call it a day. Reform votes stopped Tories retaining Kingswood and could be a danger to so-called Tory "safe seats" by splitting the vote. To conclude, the Tories are toast....... Very impressive 107 extra voters in Wellingborough for labour.. And only 5,316 fewer in Kingswood. My biggest worry is that Reform are going to dilute the Tory vote and be king makers to captain wishy washy and his band of clueless idiots, as was demonstrated last night. As has been explained turn outs are lower
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Post by essexstokey on Feb 16, 2024 12:52:13 GMT
On politics live tory chairman claims economy is growing đđ in a week we go into recession They really are deluded .
Hopefully we will have wipeou at the election
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 16, 2024 13:01:29 GMT
Wellingborough:LAB: 45.9% (+19.5) 13,844 (+107) CON: 24.6% (-37.6) 7,408 (-24,869) REF: 13.0% (+13.0) 3,919 (+3,919) LDEM: 4.7% (-3.1) 1,422 (-2,656) GRN: 3.4% (-0.1) 1,020 (-801) Kingswood:LAB: 44.9% (+11.5) 11,176 (-5,316) CON: 34.9% (-21.3) 8,675 (-19,037) REF: 10.4% (+10.4) 2,758 (+2,758) GRN: 5.8% (+3.4) 1,459 (+259) LDEM: 3.5% (-3.5) 861 (-2,560) UKIP: 0.5% (+0.5) 129 (+129) Conservative vote dropping like a stone. Tories aren't voting Labour they're just not turning up. Lib Dems may as well call it a day. Reform votes stopped Tories retaining Kingswood and could be a danger to so-called Tory "safe seats" by splitting the vote. To conclude, the Tories are toast....... More to the point but who are these people voting for UKIP? đ
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 16, 2024 14:24:27 GMT
Wellingborough:LAB: 45.9% (+19.5) 13,844 (+107) CON: 24.6% (-37.6) 7,408 (-24,869) REF: 13.0% (+13.0) 3,919 (+3,919) LDEM: 4.7% (-3.1) 1,422 (-2,656) GRN: 3.4% (-0.1) 1,020 (-801) Kingswood:LAB: 44.9% (+11.5) 11,176 (-5,316) CON: 34.9% (-21.3) 8,675 (-19,037) REF: 10.4% (+10.4) 2,758 (+2,758) GRN: 5.8% (+3.4) 1,459 (+259) LDEM: 3.5% (-3.5) 861 (-2,560) UKIP: 0.5% (+0.5) 129 (+129) Conservative vote dropping like a stone. Tories aren't voting Labour they're just not turning up. Lib Dems may as well call it a day. Reform votes stopped Tories retaining Kingswood and could be a danger to so-called Tory "safe seats" by splitting the vote. To conclude, the Tories are toast....... More to the point but who are these people voting for UKIP? đ
By UKIP do you mean Tory?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 16, 2024 14:24:39 GMT
Interesting that Labour lost votes in Kingswood so thereâs work to do for them. But two massive drops for the Tories. Think that's expected as by elections get lower turn outs. If less tories stayed at home they may have snatched it. Wouldn't be surprised to see the tories doing another deal with reform/ukip for them not to contest tight seats. Be interesting to see if reform roll over or not. Good results for reform to build upon. Like biancirossi said, if farage gets involved they could actually do alright and snatch a few seats. They'll not do it overnight but a good opportunity based off this for them to potentially grab a few seats and have something to build on. Fair point. This is a probably a fairer reflection showing double figure increases in terms of the vote share % since 2019
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 16, 2024 14:39:08 GMT
After a negative week for Labour they have smashed the Tories Reform did well but even if Tories had all their votes they would still have lost There's no doubt now we are heading for a Labour landslide The Reform vote was disappointing and just goes to show how hard it is to break through. They've got to get Farage out as the face of it to have a chance of winning seats. Ben Habib is an absolute class act too but the reality is, most the country still don't know who Reform are and it doesn't matter how sensible, popular or reasoned your message is as a party, if people know you, they aren't going to vote for you. How Ed Davey has retained his job is beyond me. A total catastrophe for the Lib Dems and their fellow eco zealots in the Green Party. Reform did well. In a byelection it is pretty much impossible for any party other than the 2 biggest in that constituency. If Farage joins Reform they may well get a seat or two. Whereas Ed Davey will lead his party into winning perhaps 30 seats. As Reform are experiencing, and before them UKIP and the Brexit Party, with first past the post it is almost impossible to break the two horse race. The lib dems are the only party who have managed it and only to a small degree (despite getting a good chunk of the overall vote for years). Perhaps the Greens, Lib Dems and Reform should do a constituency by constituency deal to oust the big two wherever possible.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 16, 2024 14:43:53 GMT
Wellingborough:LAB: 45.9% (+19.5) 13,844 (+107) CON: 24.6% (-37.6) 7,408 (-24,869) REF: 13.0% (+13.0) 3,919 (+3,919) LDEM: 4.7% (-3.1) 1,422 (-2,656) GRN: 3.4% (-0.1) 1,020 (-801) Kingswood:LAB: 44.9% (+11.5) 11,176 (-5,316) CON: 34.9% (-21.3) 8,675 (-19,037) REF: 10.4% (+10.4) 2,758 (+2,758) GRN: 5.8% (+3.4) 1,459 (+259) LDEM: 3.5% (-3.5) 861 (-2,560) UKIP: 0.5% (+0.5) 129 (+129) Conservative vote dropping like a stone. Tories aren't voting Labour they're just not turning up. Lib Dems may as well call it a day. Reform votes stopped Tories retaining Kingswood and could be a danger to so-called Tory "safe seats" by splitting the vote. To conclude, the Tories are toast....... 'Reform votes stopped Tories retaining Kingswood' That's assuming that all Reform votors woudl otherwise vot Tory < think it's fair to assume most would but not all > And it is a bit like saying labour plus lib dem beats tory plus reform. There are just more options for left of centre voters than there are for right of centre voters. Add them all up and the left of centre win easily.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 16, 2024 14:44:34 GMT
The Reform vote was disappointing and just goes to show how hard it is to break through. They've got to get Farage out as the face of it to have a chance of winning seats. Ben Habib is an absolute class act too but the reality is, most the country still don't know who Reform are and it doesn't matter how sensible, popular or reasoned your message is as a party, if people know you, they aren't going to vote for you. How Ed Davey has retained his job is beyond me. A total catastrophe for the Lib Dems and their fellow eco zealots in the Green Party. Reform did well. In a byelection it is pretty much impossible for any party other than the 2 biggest in that constituency. If Farage joins Reform they may well get a seat or two. Whereas Ed Davey will lead his party into winning perhaps 30 seats. As Reform are experiencing, and before them UKIP and the Brexit Party, with first past the post it is almost impossible to break the two horse race. The lib dems are the only party who have managed it and only to a small degree (despite getting a good chunk of the overall vote for years). Perhaps the Greens, Lib Dems and Reform should do a constituency by constituency deal to oust the big two wherever possible. That would require parties to actually work with each other. Something that is rarer year upon year. It generally feels like politics is about not caring if you are screwed as long as someone else is screwed more.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 16, 2024 16:43:56 GMT
Farage has got his eye on the long game.
He has openly stated that he wants the Conservative to implode. All he wants to do for this election is make sure the Tories don't get in and that Reform are the Party that destroy their chances. The nail in the coffin. He needs a Labour win in this election badly. That will give him enormous power and will result in most influential Tories getting firmly, and openly, behind him in his rebuild of the right. He's already got Truss and Rees-Mogg in the bag.
It's all about his own personal ambitions, as it is with nearly all modern politicians.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 16, 2024 16:53:04 GMT
'Reform votes stopped Tories retaining Kingswood' That's assuming that all Reform votors woudl otherwise vot Tory < think it's fair to assume most would but not all > And it is a bit like saying labour plus lib dem beats tory plus reform. There are just more options for left of centre voters than there are for right of centre voters. Add them all up and the left of centre win easily. To be fair Lib Dems and Ed Davey may as well pick their ball up and go home. They've become an absolute irrelevance..........
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 16, 2024 17:12:54 GMT
Farage has got his eye on the long game. He has openly stated that he wants the Conservative to implode. All he wants to do for this election is make sure the Tories don't get in and that Reform are the Party that destroy their chances. The nail in the coffin. He needs a Labour win in this election badly. That will give him enormous power and will result in most influential Tories getting firmly, and openly, behind him in his rebuild of the right. He's already got Truss and Rees-Mogg in the bag. It's all about his own personal ambitions, as it is with nearly all modern politicians. I agree with that, but it is not necessarily a bad thing...if his personal ambitions FOR THE COUNTRY , align with the electorate. Another quality of Farage is his LACK of loyalty to a party ....the actual policies and direction of travel are more important. He had no qualms quitting UKIP when it had served its purpose, particularly given the internal squabbles of UKIP, when their politicians, leaders etc started behaving like "party" politicians, jockeying for power and actually did not back him. He's had to endure mire scrutiny and personal attacks than most politicians, and is one if the few who says what he thinks.....obviously many on here will simply say he is a con artist, populist , charlatan....it is easy to say that about any of them, perhaps he is the least so?
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Post by satoshi on Feb 16, 2024 17:33:05 GMT
And it is a bit like saying labour plus lib dem beats tory plus reform. There are just more options for left of centre voters than there are for right of centre voters. Add them all up and the left of centre win easily. To be fair Lib Dems and Ed Davey may as well pick their ball up and go home. They've become an absolute irrelevance.......... Which is great because Liberal Democrats is a terrifying phrase
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 16, 2024 18:22:22 GMT
And it is a bit like saying labour plus lib dem beats tory plus reform. There are just more options for left of centre voters than there are for right of centre voters. Add them all up and the left of centre win easily. To be fair Lib Dems and Ed Davey may as well pick their ball up and go home.  They've become an absolute irrelevance.......... Have they? My local MP is a lib dem. I wonder how much more relevant they will be after the next election compared to reform or the greens both of whom may not win a seat. With your attitude, it is labour or tory forever and nobody should ever complain about it because if you are not one of them you are irrelevant. The best policies that have become law of the last 14 years have come from the lib dems in the coalition. Just a shame Gordon Brown was too proud to form a government with them. Things could now be very different.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 16, 2024 18:24:12 GMT
To be fair Lib Dems and Ed Davey may as well pick their ball up and go home.  They've become an absolute irrelevance.......... Which is great because Liberal Democrats is a terrifying phrase It is strange what scares some people
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Post by maxplonk on Feb 16, 2024 18:37:49 GMT
Farage has got his eye on the long game. He has openly stated that he wants the Conservative to implode. All he wants to do for this election is make sure the Tories don't get in and that Reform are the Party that destroy their chances. The nail in the coffin. He needs a Labour win in this election badly. That will give him enormous power and will result in most influential Tories getting firmly, and openly, behind him in his rebuild of the right. He's already got Truss and Rees-Mogg in the bag. It's all about his own personal ambitions, as it is with nearly all modern politicians. I agree with thst, but it is not necessarily a bad thing...if his personal ambitions FOR THE COUNTRY , align with the electorate. Another quality of Farage is his LACK of loyalty to a party ....the actual policies and direction of travel are more important. He had no qualms quitting UKIP when it had served its purpose, particularly given the internal squabbles of UKIP, when their politicians, leaders etc started behaving like "party" politicians, jockeying for power and actually did not back him. He's had to endure mire scrutiny and personal attacks than most politicians, and is one if the few who says what he thinks.....obviously many on here will simply say he is a con artist, populist , charlatan....it is easy to say that about any of them, perhaps he is the least so? Nope. Forage IS a con artist as far as I'm concerned. He'll ingratiate himself with the masses to gain popularity (has anyone seen him down the pub, recently?), will sidle up to more powerful figures for the reflected glory (I wonder how he's feeling about Putin at the moment), and still not achieve anything. Tice is similar, a public school twit who pretends to represent the working people of the UK.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 16, 2024 18:42:36 GMT
I agree with thst, but it is not necessarily a bad thing...if his personal ambitions FOR THE COUNTRY , align with the electorate. Another quality of Farage is his LACK of loyalty to a party ....the actual policies and direction of travel are more important. He had no qualms quitting UKIP when it had served its purpose, particularly given the internal squabbles of UKIP, when their politicians, leaders etc started behaving like "party" politicians, jockeying for power and actually did not back him. He's had to endure mire scrutiny and personal attacks than most politicians, and is one if the few who says what he thinks.....obviously many on here will simply say he is a con artist, populist , charlatan....it is easy to say that about any of them, perhaps he is the least so? Nope. Forage IS a con artist as far as I'm concerned. He'll ingratiate himself with the masses to gain popularity (has anyone seen him down the pub, recently?), will sidle up to more powerful figures for the reflected glory (I wonder how he's feeling about Putin at the moment), and still not achieve anything. Tice is similar, a public school twit who pretends to represent the working people of the UK. Spot on !
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Post by lordb on Feb 16, 2024 18:51:39 GMT
The Reform vote was disappointing and just goes to show how hard it is to break through. They've got to get Farage out as the face of it to have a chance of winning seats. Ben Habib is an absolute class act too but the reality is, most the country still don't know who Reform are and it doesn't matter how sensible, popular or reasoned your message is as a party, if people know you, they aren't going to vote for you. How Ed Davey has retained his job is beyond me. A total catastrophe for the Lib Dems and their fellow eco zealots in the Green Party. Reform did well. In a byelection it is pretty much impossible for any party other than the 2 biggest in that constituency. If Farage joins Reform they may well get a seat or two. Whereas Ed Davey will lead his party into winning perhaps 30 seats. As Reform are experiencing, and before them UKIP and the Brexit Party, with first past the post it is almost impossible to break the two horse race. The lib dems are the only party who have managed it and only to a small degree (despite getting a good chunk of the overall vote for years). Perhaps the Greens, Lib Dems and Reform should do a constituency by constituency deal to oust the big two wherever possible. Reform won't win any seats
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Post by lordb on Feb 16, 2024 18:54:18 GMT
Farage has got his eye on the long game. He has openly stated that he wants the Conservative to implode. All he wants to do for this election is make sure the Tories don't get in and that Reform are the Party that destroy their chances. The nail in the coffin. He needs a Labour win in this election badly. That will give him enormous power and will result in most influential Tories getting firmly, and openly, behind him in his rebuild of the right. He's already got Truss and Rees-Mogg in the bag. It's all about his own personal ambitions, as it is with nearly all modern politicians. I agree with thst, but it is not necessarily a bad thing...if his personal ambitions FOR THE COUNTRY , align with the electorate. Another quality of Farage is his LACK of loyalty to a party ....the actual policies and direction of travel are more important. He had no qualms quitting UKIP when it had served its purpose, particularly given the internal squabbles of UKIP, when their politicians, leaders etc started behaving like "party" politicians, jockeying for power and actually did not back him. He's had to endure mire scrutiny and personal attacks than most politicians, and is one if the few who says what he thinks.....obviously many on here will simply say he is a con artist, populist , charlatan....it is easy to say that about any of them, perhaps he is the least so? He's at the very least as much a charlatan as any UK politician can think of Has absolutely no interest in what is best for the country
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 16, 2024 19:01:13 GMT
I agree with thst, but it is not necessarily a bad thing...if his personal ambitions FOR THE COUNTRY , align with the electorate. Another quality of Farage is his LACK of loyalty to a party ....the actual policies and direction of travel are more important. He had no qualms quitting UKIP when it had served its purpose, particularly given the internal squabbles of UKIP, when their politicians, leaders etc started behaving like "party" politicians, jockeying for power and actually did not back him. He's had to endure mire scrutiny and personal attacks than most politicians, and is one if the few who says what he thinks.....obviously many on here will simply say he is a con artist, populist , charlatan....it is easy to say that about any of them, perhaps he is the least so? He's at the very least as much a charlatan as any UK politician can think of Has absolutely no interest in what is best for the country Incorrect The opposite in fact. If anything he is blind to the " bad parts" of Britain 's past and puts the Uk before any other consideration....but he is a grater believer in the UK than any/ most other UK politicians,
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 16, 2024 19:16:13 GMT
After a negative week for Labour they have smashed the Tories Reform did well but even if Tories had all their votes they would still have lost There's no doubt now we are heading for a Labour landslide The Reform vote was disappointing and just goes to show how hard it is to break through. They've got to get Farage out as the face of it to have a chance of winning seats. Ben Habib is an absolute class act too but the reality is, most the country still don't know who Reform are and it doesn't matter how sensible, popular or reasoned your message is as a party, if people know you, they aren't going to vote for you. How Ed Davey has retained his job is beyond me. A total catastrophe for the Lib Dems and their fellow eco zealots in the Green Party. đ¨ 'class act' đ¨ alert đ
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 16, 2024 19:23:54 GMT
To be fair Lib Dems and Ed Davey may as well pick their ball up and go home.  They've become an absolute irrelevance.......... Have they? My local MP is a lib dem. I wonder how much more relevant they will be after the next election compared to reform or the greens both of whom may not win a seat. With your attitude, it is labour or tory forever and nobody should ever complain about it because if you are not one of them you are irrelevant. The best policies that have become law of the last 14 years have come from the lib dems in the coalition. Just a shame Gordon Brown was too proud to form a government with them. Things could now be very different. Lib Dems are / have been a significant part of the problem in British politics alongside the Tories and Labour. In fact they are possibly more responsible for propping up the system as the big two.....giving forlorn hope as an alternative , but ready to step in yo prop up whichever party doesn't quite make it in government.
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Post by satoshi on Feb 16, 2024 19:28:48 GMT
Which is great because Liberal Democrats is a terrifying phrase It is strange what scares some people For me itâs that and giant rubber fists
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Post by lawrieleslie on Feb 16, 2024 19:36:28 GMT
Reform did well. In a byelection it is pretty much impossible for any party other than the 2 biggest in that constituency. If Farage joins Reform they may well get a seat or two. Whereas Ed Davey will lead his party into winning perhaps 30 seats. As Reform are experiencing, and before them UKIP and the Brexit Party, with first past the post it is almost impossible to break the two horse race. The lib dems are the only party who have managed it and only to a small degree (despite getting a good chunk of the overall vote for years). Perhaps the Greens, Lib Dems and Reform should do a constituency by constituency deal to oust the big two wherever possible. Reform won't win any seats Not with our FPTP voting system they wonât. Remember 2015 GE when UKIP polled nearly 4m votes, 12.5%, for 1 seatâŚ.. SNP polled 1.5m votes, 4.6%. for 54 seats.
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Post by gawa on Feb 16, 2024 20:00:27 GMT
Farage has got his eye on the long game. He has openly stated that he wants the Conservative to implode. All he wants to do for this election is make sure the Tories don't get in and that Reform are the Party that destroy their chances. The nail in the coffin. He needs a Labour win in this election badly. That will give him enormous power and will result in most influential Tories getting firmly, and openly, behind him in his rebuild of the right. He's already got Truss and Rees-Mogg in the bag. It's all about his own personal ambitions, as it is with nearly all modern politicians. I agree with that, but it is not necessarily a bad thing...if his personal ambitions FOR THE COUNTRY , align with the electorate. Another quality of Farage is his LACK of loyalty to a party ....the actual policies and direction of travel are more important. He had no qualms quitting UKIP when it had served its purpose, particularly given the internal squabbles of UKIP, when their politicians, leaders etc started behaving like "party" politicians, jockeying for power and actually did not back him. He's had to endure mire scrutiny and personal attacks than most politicians, and is one if the few who says what he thinks.....obviously many on here will simply say he is a con artist, populist , charlatan....it is easy to say that about any of them, perhaps he is the least so? Not a fan of all his politics but prefer him to most tories as a leftie.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 16, 2024 20:09:25 GMT
I agree with that, but it is not necessarily a bad thing...if his personal ambitions FOR THE COUNTRY , align with the electorate. Another quality of Farage is his LACK of loyalty to a party ....the actual policies and direction of travel are more important. He had no qualms quitting UKIP when it had served its purpose, particularly given the internal squabbles of UKIP, when their politicians, leaders etc started behaving like "party" politicians, jockeying for power and actually did not back him. He's had to endure mire scrutiny and personal attacks than most politicians, and is one if the few who says what he thinks.....obviously many on here will simply say he is a con artist, populist , charlatan....it is easy to say that about any of them, perhaps he is the least so? Not a fan of all his politics but prefer him to most tories as a leftie. It's a bit of an enigma for me Gawa. He's different from the main stream politicians. He dies speak his mind, a conviction man , a leader. He believes in the Uk. He has actually achieved more than most and is prepared to work alongside Galloway and Clare Fox to achieve common goals.....and they have worked with him....which to me makes all the short sighted " limited" " ignorant" ( I the best meaning of the word ) on here less relevant. He is bothered about representation and democracy and sovereignty....issues which matter to the working class. He is a critic of the system and of Labour and Tory .....like most on here But I believe most are too scared to make a significant jump and really prefer the status quo and simply to talk about politics ....rather than have the courage to risk change, to do something different. In my opinion
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 16, 2024 20:15:43 GMT
Not a fan of all his politics but prefer him to most tories as a leftie. It's a bit of an enigma for me Gawa. He's different from the main stream politicians. He dies speak his mind, a conviction man , a leader. He believes in the Uk. He has actually achieved more than most and is prepared to work alongside Galloway and Clare short to achieve common goals.....and they have worked with him....which to me makes all the short sighted " limited" " ignorant" ( I the best meaning of the word ) on here less relevant. He is bothered about representation and democracy and sovereignty....issues which matter to the working class. He is a critic of the system and of Labour and Tory .....like most on here But I believe most are too scared to make a significant jump and really prefer the status quo and simply to talk about politics ....rather than have the courage to risk change, to do something different. In my opinion 'he is bothered about representation and democracy' As proven of course by the unrepentant support given to the self confessed sex offender and insitgiator of political insurrection across the pond and his apologist appeasement for our very own European dictator. Sweet Jesus.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 16, 2024 20:23:08 GMT
It's a bit of an enigma for me Gawa. He's different from the main stream politicians. He dies speak his mind, a conviction man , a leader. He believes in the Uk. He has actually achieved more than most and is prepared to work alongside Galloway and Clare short to achieve common goals.....and they have worked with him....which to me makes all the short sighted " limited" " ignorant" ( I the best meaning of the word ) on here less relevant. He is bothered about representation and democracy and sovereignty....issues which matter to the working class. He is a critic of the system and of Labour and Tory .....like most on here But I believe most are too scared to make a significant jump and really prefer the status quo and simply to talk about politics ....rather than have the courage to risk change, to do something different. In my opinion 'he is bothered about representation and democracy' As proven of course by the unrepentant support given to the self confessed sex offender and insitgiator of political insurrection across the pond and his apologist appeasement for our very own European dictator. Sweet Jesus. That's why I think he is an enigma. I think he is too close to Trump and the Russians. But there's more to him and the issues than that. It's like saying Corbyn supports Hamas so he is totally irrelevant.... Hamas have caused more deaths than Trump. With respect, you are just repeating populism, the easy route, the establishment, , let's get Farage, he's the real threat. Keep supporting Labour and the Tories! Sweet Muhammad
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 16, 2024 20:30:10 GMT
'he is bothered about representation and democracy' As proven of course by the unrepentant support given to the self confessed sex offender and insitgiator of political insurrection across the pond and his apologist appeasement for our very own European dictator. Sweet Jesus. That's why I think he is an enigma. I think he is too close to Trump and the Russians. But there's more too him and the issues than that. It's like saying Corbyn supports Hamas so he is totally irrelevant.... Hamas have caused more deaths than Trump. With respect, you are just repeating populism, the easy route, the establishment, , let's get Farage, he's the real threat. Keep supporting Labour and the Tories! Sweet Muhammad And just like that, almost 4 years on the rebuttal to having a mirror held up to your complete nonsense is to reach for... Jeremy Corbyn 𤣠*I'm also not Prestwich, so this doesn't land anywhere near as well as you would like. We can't be far off some YouTube clips of Tony Benn now, surely?
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 16, 2024 20:39:49 GMT
Have they? My local MP is a lib dem. I wonder how much more relevant they will be after the next election compared to reform or the greens both of whom may not win a seat. With your attitude, it is labour or tory forever and nobody should ever complain about it because if you are not one of them you are irrelevant. The best policies that have become law of the last 14 years have come from the lib dems in the coalition. Just a shame Gordon Brown was too proud to form a government with them. Things could now be very different. Lib Dems are / have been a significant part of the problem in British politics alongside the Tories and Labour. In fact they are possibly more responsible for propping up the system as the big two.....giving forlorn hope as an alternative , but ready to step in yo prop up whichever party doesn't quite make it in government. But they also gave us all the opportunity to transfer our political system forever. And we blew it. Labour and tory will never do that sadly.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 16, 2024 20:41:20 GMT
It is strange what scares some people For me itâs that and giant rubber fists If Ed Davey ever decides to use giant rubber fists in one of his âsmashing down the blue wallâ gimmicks, youâll be in trouble then!
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