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Post by dutchstokie on Feb 6, 2024 11:17:46 GMT
Don't be fooled by the tories thru bet on other people's miscarry Get these parasites out of power become 3 Pest controller Sorry....thats just a noise...
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Post by tuum on Feb 6, 2024 13:11:44 GMT
Just read Rory Stewart's book about his time as a Tory MP. It is a sobering experience. Cabinet Ministers, civil servants all in it to look after their own interests. Not really interested in solving problems, just looking for good press (ministers) easy life (civil servants). He uses the phrase 'learned helplessness' to describe the civil service and some Govt. appointed officials. He does have a lot of time for the ex-MP David Gauke who he thought would have made a good PM not least because he (Gauke) was sharp and was very effective in dismantling permanent secretaries objections to any proposals. Gauke had the Whip withdrawn for not supporting the Brexit deal and then resigned because he wouldn't serve under Boris Johnson. Both him and Rory Stewart are no longer serving MP's having become disillusioned with their own party. I like Rory Stewart but it seems he felt he was banging his head against a brick wall trying to work with a lot of the people in the political system. Another point he made was everybody wants to be a cabinet minister and they make short term decisions with that in mind. See above re. soundbites etc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2024 13:39:02 GMT
Just read Rory Stewart's book about his time as a Tory MP. It is a sobering experience. Cabinet Ministers, civil servants all in it to look after their own interests. Not really interested in solving problems, just looking for good press (ministers) easy life (civil servants). He uses the phrase 'learned helplessness' to describe the civil service and some Govt. appointed officials. He does have a lot of time for the ex-MP David Gauke who he thought would have made a good PM not least because he (Gauke) was sharp and was very effective in dismantling permanent secretaries objections to any proposals. Gauke had the Whip withdrawn for not supporting the Brexit deal and then resigned because he wouldn't serve under Boris Johnson. Both him and Rory Stewart are no longer serving MP's having become disillusioned with their own party. I like Rory Stewart but it seems he felt he was banging his head against a brick wall trying to work with a lot of the people in the political system. Another point he made was everybody wants to be a cabinet minister and they make short term decisions with that in mind. See above re. soundbites etc. I’m always cautious about taking a person’s opinion as a glimpse into a true reality. Stewart wrote a book. He needed an angle to get it to sell. For that, he’s going to need to take the worst examples he can think of and simply ignore much of anything else that doesn’t quite hold up to the narrative he wants to make money from.
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Post by dutchstokie on Feb 6, 2024 13:50:07 GMT
Just read Rory Stewart's book about his time as a Tory MP. It is a sobering experience. Cabinet Ministers, civil servants all in it to look after their own interests. Not really interested in solving problems, just looking for good press (ministers) easy life (civil servants). He uses the phrase 'learned helplessness' to describe the civil service and some Govt. appointed officials. He does have a lot of time for the ex-MP David Gauke who he thought would have made a good PM not least because he (Gauke) was sharp and was very effective in dismantling permanent secretaries objections to any proposals. Gauke had the Whip withdrawn for not supporting the Brexit deal and then resigned because he wouldn't serve under Boris Johnson. Both him and Rory Stewart are no longer serving MP's having become disillusioned with their own party. I like Rory Stewart but it seems he felt he was banging his head against a brick wall trying to work with a lot of the people in the political system. Another point he made was everybody wants to be a cabinet minister and they make short term decisions with that in mind. See above re. soundbites etc. I’m always cautious about taking a person’s opinion as a glimpse into a true reality. Stewart wrote a book. He needed an angle to get it to sell. For that, he’s going to need to take the worst examples he can think of and simply ignore much of anything else that doesn’t quite hold up to the narrative he wants to make money from. Much like the 1272 pages on this thread then....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2024 13:52:56 GMT
I’m always cautious about taking a person’s opinion as a glimpse into a true reality. Stewart wrote a book. He needed an angle to get it to sell. For that, he’s going to need to take the worst examples he can think of and simply ignore much of anything else that doesn’t quite hold up to the narrative he wants to make money from. Much like the 1272 pages on this thread then.... Hold on. People are making money from this thread? Where’s my cheque?
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Post by gawa on Feb 6, 2024 14:02:43 GMT
Much like the 1272 pages on this thread then.... Hold on. People are making money from this thread? Where’s my cheque? Tbf I won a selection box of Badger for my contributions.
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Post by tuum on Feb 6, 2024 14:04:00 GMT
Just read Rory Stewart's book about his time as a Tory MP. It is a sobering experience. Cabinet Ministers, civil servants all in it to look after their own interests. Not really interested in solving problems, just looking for good press (ministers) easy life (civil servants). He uses the phrase 'learned helplessness' to describe the civil service and some Govt. appointed officials. He does have a lot of time for the ex-MP David Gauke who he thought would have made a good PM not least because he (Gauke) was sharp and was very effective in dismantling permanent secretaries objections to any proposals. Gauke had the Whip withdrawn for not supporting the Brexit deal and then resigned because he wouldn't serve under Boris Johnson. Both him and Rory Stewart are no longer serving MP's having become disillusioned with their own party. I like Rory Stewart but it seems he felt he was banging his head against a brick wall trying to work with a lot of the people in the political system. Another point he made was everybody wants to be a cabinet minister and they make short term decisions with that in mind. See above re. soundbites etc. I’m always cautious about taking a person’s opinion as a glimpse into a true reality. Stewart wrote a book. He needed an angle to get it to sell. For that, he’s going to need to take the worst examples he can think of and simply ignore much of anything else that doesn’t quite hold up to the narrative he wants to make money from. I like to think I have read enough of these books to have a vague idea of what is going on. I have also read a few of his travel books. You get a feel for the kind of person he is. I don't agree with everything he says but the guy is a moderate conservative and I think the Tories need more of them. I don't think he took the worst examples either. It wasn't a sensational book in any sense. Pretty mundane as political books go but a good insight into how things work (or don't). I see many parallels in my own job. I work as a self-employed Project Manager for a major oil consortium overseas. The oil company expat staff are seconded for 4 years (MP's) and try not to take on anything too challenging as it may impact their yearly appraisal. The local staff (civil servants) see these expats come and go. Don't always have a great deal of respect for them and just play the game until they leave and the next lot move in. Everyone's happy because they are all making their bonuses but the consortium is not making any substantial improvements in productivity and efficiency. The only time people go out on a limb is when HO employs an international management company (to create civil unrest) to benchmark their achievements and then HO rolls out a worldwide improvement programme to address the findings.
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Post by maxplonk on Feb 6, 2024 15:24:00 GMT
Just read Rory Stewart's book about his time as a Tory MP. It is a sobering experience. Cabinet Ministers, civil servants all in it to look after their own interests. Not really interested in solving problems, just looking for good press (ministers) easy life (civil servants). He uses the phrase 'learned helplessness' to describe the civil service and some Govt. appointed officials. He does have a lot of time for the ex-MP David Gauke who he thought would have made a good PM not least because he (Gauke) was sharp and was very effective in dismantling permanent secretaries objections to any proposals. Gauke had the Whip withdrawn for not supporting the Brexit deal and then resigned because he wouldn't serve under Boris Johnson. Both him and Rory Stewart are no longer serving MP's having become disillusioned with their own party. I like Rory Stewart but it seems he felt he was banging his head against a brick wall trying to work with a lot of the people in the political system. Another point he made was everybody wants to be a cabinet minister and they make short term decisions with that in mind. See above re. soundbites etc. Stewart does give a good impression...but I can't hear his name without thinking "80%". www.joe.co.uk/news/conservative-rory-stewart-invents-stats-theresa-mays-brexit-deal-208491
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 6, 2024 16:52:33 GMT
Just read Rory Stewart's book about his time as a Tory MP. It is a sobering experience. Cabinet Ministers, civil servants all in it to look after their own interests. Not really interested in solving problems, just looking for good press (ministers) easy life (civil servants). He uses the phrase 'learned helplessness' to describe the civil service and some Govt. appointed officials. He does have a lot of time for the ex-MP David Gauke who he thought would have made a good PM not least because he (Gauke) was sharp and was very effective in dismantling permanent secretaries objections to any proposals. Gauke had the Whip withdrawn for not supporting the Brexit deal and then resigned because he wouldn't serve under Boris Johnson. Both him and Rory Stewart are no longer serving MP's having become disillusioned with their own party. I like Rory Stewart but it seems he felt he was banging his head against a brick wall trying to work with a lot of the people in the political system. Another point he made was everybody wants to be a cabinet minister and they make short term decisions with that in mind. See above re. soundbites etc. I genuinely believe that if people had listened to Gauke instead of Johnson over Brexit and ultimately, it was actually Gauke who got to form a cabinet in his own image, then a) the country would be in an infinitely better position that it is now and b) The Tories wouldn't be remotely sweating over getting trounced at the next election.
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Post by tuum on Feb 6, 2024 17:16:26 GMT
Just read Rory Stewart's book about his time as a Tory MP. It is a sobering experience. Cabinet Ministers, civil servants all in it to look after their own interests. Not really interested in solving problems, just looking for good press (ministers) easy life (civil servants). He uses the phrase 'learned helplessness' to describe the civil service and some Govt. appointed officials. He does have a lot of time for the ex-MP David Gauke who he thought would have made a good PM not least because he (Gauke) was sharp and was very effective in dismantling permanent secretaries objections to any proposals. Gauke had the Whip withdrawn for not supporting the Brexit deal and then resigned because he wouldn't serve under Boris Johnson. Both him and Rory Stewart are no longer serving MP's having become disillusioned with their own party. I like Rory Stewart but it seems he felt he was banging his head against a brick wall trying to work with a lot of the people in the political system. Another point he made was everybody wants to be a cabinet minister and they make short term decisions with that in mind. See above re. soundbites etc. I genuinely believe that if people had listened to Gauke instead of Johnson over Brexit and ultimately, it was actually Gauke who got to form a cabinet in his own image, then a) the country would be in an infinitely better position that it is now and b) The Tories wouldn't be remotely sweating over getting trounced at the next election. Agree with that on both points.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 6, 2024 17:28:24 GMT
Just read Rory Stewart's book about his time as a Tory MP. It is a sobering experience. Cabinet Ministers, civil servants all in it to look after their own interests. Not really interested in solving problems, just looking for good press (ministers) easy life (civil servants). He uses the phrase 'learned helplessness' to describe the civil service and some Govt. appointed officials. He does have a lot of time for the ex-MP David Gauke who he thought would have made a good PM not least because he (Gauke) was sharp and was very effective in dismantling permanent secretaries objections to any proposals. Gauke had the Whip withdrawn for not supporting the Brexit deal and then resigned because he wouldn't serve under Boris Johnson. Both him and Rory Stewart are no longer serving MP's having become disillusioned with their own party. I like Rory Stewart but it seems he felt he was banging his head against a brick wall trying to work with a lot of the people in the political system. Another point he made was everybody wants to be a cabinet minister and they make short term decisions with that in mind. See above re. soundbites etc. I genuinely believe that if people had listened to Gauke instead of Johnson over Brexit and ultimately, it was actually Gauke who got to form a cabinet in his own image, then a) the country would be in an infinitely better position that it is now and b) The Tories wouldn't be remotely sweating over getting trounced at the next election. Absolutely
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 6, 2024 17:33:28 GMT
Hold on. People are making money from this thread? Where’s my cheque? Tbf I won a selection box of Badger for my contributions. Presumably you’re yet to open it…….
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Post by gawa on Feb 6, 2024 17:56:49 GMT
Tbf I won a selection box of Badger for my contributions. Presumably you’re yet to open it……. I'll admit that it wasn't what I was expecting but it's been surprisingly enjoyable. Still a few of the big monsters I can't handle yet but I have managed to work up to getting the 6 inch camel skin buttplug me bum so slowly working my way through it.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 6, 2024 17:59:24 GMT
Presumably you’re yet to open it……. I'll admit that it wasn't what I was expecting but it's been surprisingly enjoyable. Still a few of the big monsters I can't handle yet but I have managed to work up to getting the 6 inch camel skin buttplug me bum so slowly working my way through it. Shit, that one was meant for Cobs🤦🏻♂️
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Post by andromeda on Feb 6, 2024 18:00:37 GMT
Amazing parallels between SCFC and the Tories. Doesn’t seem to matter who’s steering the ship, in-fighting and shit behind the scenes mean that nothing ever seems to get any better.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 6, 2024 18:37:09 GMT
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/06/liz-truss-popcons-tory-lettuceThis article is brilliant: “Someone who went to university with Kwarteng told me of the night he slept on their student house sofa after a party, vomited on it, then simply got up and left in the morning without cleaning it up. In many ways the country now lives on that sofa.” “the group hail from the party that has been in power for the past 13 years, and for 31 of the past 44 years, but would now like to “reform Britain’s bureaucratic structures to allow Conservative values to flourish”. ”
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 6, 2024 18:58:10 GMT
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/06/liz-truss-popcons-tory-lettuceThis article is brilliant: “Someone who went to university with Kwarteng told me of the night he slept on their student house sofa after a party, vomited on it, then simply got up and left in the morning without cleaning it up. In many ways the country now lives on that sofa.” “the group hail from the party that has been in power for the past 13 years, and for 31 of the past 44 years, but would now like to “reform Britain’s bureaucratic structures to allow Conservative values to flourish”. ” You’ll believe any old guff that’s written in the Guardian.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 6, 2024 19:17:16 GMT
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/06/liz-truss-popcons-tory-lettuceThis article is brilliant: “Someone who went to university with Kwarteng told me of the night he slept on their student house sofa after a party, vomited on it, then simply got up and left in the morning without cleaning it up. In many ways the country now lives on that sofa.” “the group hail from the party that has been in power for the past 13 years, and for 31 of the past 44 years, but would now like to “reform Britain’s bureaucratic structures to allow Conservative values to flourish”. ” You’ll believe any old guff that’s written in the Guardian. Marina Hyde is a brilliant writer
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 6, 2024 19:33:23 GMT
You’ll believe any old guff that’s written in the Guardian. Marina Hyde is a brilliant writer Does she write the script for The Last Leg?
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Post by maxplonk on Feb 6, 2024 20:02:16 GMT
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Post by gawa on Feb 6, 2024 20:59:39 GMT
I'll admit that it wasn't what I was expecting but it's been surprisingly enjoyable. Still a few of the big monsters I can't handle yet but I have managed to work up to getting the 6 inch camel skin buttplug me bum so slowly working my way through it. Shit, that one was meant for Cobs🤦🏻♂️ Sure it wasn't for Mr Tough Guy foster? Wonder what was in Ians. Oh wait... 😁
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Post by elystokie on Feb 6, 2024 21:00:34 GMT
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/06/liz-truss-popcons-tory-lettuceThis article is brilliant: “Someone who went to university with Kwarteng told me of the night he slept on their student house sofa after a party, vomited on it, then simply got up and left in the morning without cleaning it up. In many ways the country now lives on that sofa.” “the group hail from the party that has been in power for the past 13 years, and for 31 of the past 44 years, but would now like to “reform Britain’s bureaucratic structures to allow Conservative values to flourish”. ” You’ll believe any old guff that’s written in the Guardian. Around 76% of the population do 😄 The Daily Mail however...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 7, 2024 0:24:52 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Feb 7, 2024 1:41:32 GMT
Shit, that one was meant for Cobs🤦🏻♂️ Sure it wasn't for Mr Tough Guy foster ? Wonder what was in Ians. Oh wait... 😁 Get a Room
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 7, 2024 9:13:18 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Feb 7, 2024 10:28:41 GMT
It used to be the biggest White Elephant Infrastructure Project in Europe, don't ya know. The Trains will run slower than before 🤣 who wants to get to The Scrubs quicker anyway Potholes it is then I'm sure there's just enough time left in this Parliament for the Tory Cronies and Donors to perform a few hundred million £ land grab of the previously compulsory purchased
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Post by tuum on Feb 7, 2024 11:27:21 GMT
It used to be the biggest White Elephant Infrastructure Project in Europe, don't ya know. The Trains will run slower than before 🤣 who wants to get to The Scrubs quicker anyway Potholes it is then I'm sure there's just enough time left in this Parliament for the Tory Cronies and Donors to perform a few hundred million £ land grab of the previously compulsory purchased It's a double whammy. There is no real reason why the HS2 land needs to be sold off so quickly unless the Govt. is planning to use some of the cash generated to bribe the electorate ahead of the next GE... surely not?
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Feb 7, 2024 12:12:27 GMT
It used to be the biggest White Elephant Infrastructure Project in Europe, don't ya know. The Trains will run slower than before 🤣 who wants to get to The Scrubs quicker anyway Potholes it is then I'm sure there's just enough time left in this Parliament for the Tory Cronies and Donors to perform a few hundred million £ land grab of the previously compulsory purchased Only 30% of the money saved by cancelling the Northern leg of HS2 is proposed to be reassigned to the huge list of rail projects Sunak reeled off in the Autumn . I suspect Leek will be waiting a little longer for its rail link to Stoke.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 7, 2024 12:47:33 GMT
Tone deaf is putting it mildly......
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 7, 2024 12:49:53 GMT
It used to be the biggest White Elephant Infrastructure Project in Europe, don't ya know. The Trains will run slower than before 🤣 who wants to get to The Scrubs quicker anyway Potholes it is then I'm sure there's just enough time left in this Parliament for the Tory Cronies and Donors to perform a few hundred million £ land grab of the previously compulsory purchased It's a double whammy. There is no real reason why the HS2 land needs to be sold off so quickly unless the Govt. is planning to use some of the cash generated to bribe the electorate ahead of the next GE... surely not? There's every reason. Wealthy land owners who sold the land off to the public for way above it's market value, now get to buy it back off the public, for way below it's market value. Welcome to Tory Britain ...
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