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Post by atillathehoneybee on Jan 16, 2024 11:32:35 GMT
Agreed. And Wishy Washy will be dumped before he completes 1 term, as his " Blame the Tories " rhetoric will start to wear a bit thin, I can see a Andy Burnham type leader taking over, winning one election, then The Tories getting back in with a Dave Cameron type leader... I can see the tories being back in power after one term to be honest. People want big changes and I don't see Starmer delivering them. I hope you are right, but a huge majority 150 to 200 seats, will be virtually impossible to overturn after just one term, one term of Labour blaming The Tories whilst we slide even further down the pan, both at home and on the world stage...
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 16, 2024 11:36:17 GMT
As would be your right (he won’t stand). It is awful I think that Brits abroad have been historically prevented from voting. Literally treated like prisoners. Our democracy is so undemocratic and out of touch.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 16, 2024 11:37:58 GMT
Plenty changes in America. What elements are “right wing”? I’ve always understood that the biggest political notion of being right wing is the concept of small government. It is not one that the Conservatives practice. Imagine the " Special Friendship " between Trump and Captain Wishy Washy... The Don will eat him alive... I am not sure anyone will take the US President seriously when he is attending global summits by zoom from his prison cell!
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Post by gawa on Jan 16, 2024 11:45:46 GMT
As would be your right (he won’t stand). It is awful I think that Brits abroad have been historically prevented from voting. Literally treated like prisoners. Our democracy is so undemocratic and out of touch. Presume this relates to people temporarily living abroad or seasonally rather than those who have emigrated? Why should someone in Spain who hasn't lived here for 5 years have as much say as someone who lives and works here.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 16, 2024 11:52:16 GMT
As would be your right (he won’t stand). It is awful I think that Brits abroad have been historically prevented from voting. Literally treated like prisoners. Our democracy is so undemocratic and out of touch. Presume this relates to people temporarily living abroad or seasonally rather than those who have emigrated? Why should someone in Spain who hasn't lived here for 5 years have as much say as someone who lives and works here. It covers every Brit and allowing them to vote, no matter how long they have been abroad. Previously if you had been abroad for 15 years or more you could not vote. The person in Spain may have family in England or friends. They may have assets here or pensions. They may want to come home soon. They may be taxed in England. They may want a say over their rights as a British citizen, or on how Brits treat others. Votes at general elections should be mandatory for every Brit over the age of 16, in my opinion, with taxation consequences on your tax code costing £50 if you choose not to vote. It would hopefully get people thinking and interested in politics and engaged. Spoilt ballots might win a majority in that case!
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Jan 16, 2024 12:30:02 GMT
Imagine the " Special Friendship " between Trump and Captain Wishy Washy... The Don will eat him alive... I am not sure anyone will take the US President seriously when he is attending global summits by zoom from his prison cell! There is not a prayer of him going to Prison, not a chance in hell, the ramifications would be unthinkable...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2024 12:31:04 GMT
Presume this relates to people temporarily living abroad or seasonally rather than those who have emigrated? Why should someone in Spain who hasn't lived here for 5 years have as much say as someone who lives and works here. It covers every Brit and allowing them to vote, no matter how long they have been abroad. Previously if you had been abroad for 15 years or more you could not vote. The person in Spain may have family in England or friends. They may have assets here or pensions. They may want to come home soon. They may be taxed in England. They may want a say over their rights as a British citizen, or on how Brits treat others. Votes at general elections should be mandatory for every Brit over the age of 16, in my opinion, with taxation consequences on your tax code costing £50 if you choose not to vote. It would hopefully get people thinking and interested in politics and engaged. Spoilt ballots might win a majority in that case! I figuratively gave up my right to vote the second I left the country. I think it’s stupid that people who’ve decided they don’t want to live in a place anymore should have any say on how it’s governed. I do believe in mandatory voting though for those within a country (including permanent residents).
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 16, 2024 12:33:54 GMT
I am not sure anyone will take the US President seriously when he is attending global summits by zoom from his prison cell! There is not a prayer of him going to Prison, not a chance in hell, the ramifications would be unthinkable... I think literally anything is possible. Trump is dangerous. And if the US votes for him then I really worry about the state of this world.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 16, 2024 12:35:11 GMT
It covers every Brit and allowing them to vote, no matter how long they have been abroad. Previously if you had been abroad for 15 years or more you could not vote. The person in Spain may have family in England or friends. They may have assets here or pensions. They may want to come home soon. They may be taxed in England. They may want a say over their rights as a British citizen, or on how Brits treat others. Votes at general elections should be mandatory for every Brit over the age of 16, in my opinion, with taxation consequences on your tax code costing £50 if you choose not to vote. It would hopefully get people thinking and interested in politics and engaged. Spoilt ballots might win a majority in that case! I figuratively gave up my right to vote the second I left the country. I think it’s stupid that people who’ve decided they don’t want to live in a place anymore should have any say on how it’s governed. I do believe in mandatory voting though for those within a country (including permanent residents). That would disenfranchise hundreds of millions of people globally. Unless you are saying habitual residency should govern where you vote (so asylum seekers on the Bibby Stockholm barge and those held in hotels could vote here at the next election!)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2024 12:38:28 GMT
I figuratively gave up my right to vote the second I left the country. I think it’s stupid that people who’ve decided they don’t want to live in a place anymore should have any say on how it’s governed. I do believe in mandatory voting though for those within a country (including permanent residents). That would disenfranchise hundreds of millions of people globally. Their decision to move to a different country to live there full time has done that. In my opinion, there are far more people living in the UK who are more worthy of a say of how their lives are being governed than I should be. I find it morally wrong to vote in a country that I don’t pay taxes, contribute to society or face any real consequences. I would like a system where once a person has committed to a permanent residency, ie something akin to a greencard, they can vote in that country. If they went back to their birth country and stayed there permanently, they could vote in that country as well.
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Jan 16, 2024 12:44:31 GMT
There is not a prayer of him going to Prison, not a chance in hell, the ramifications would be unthinkable... I think literally anything is possible. Trump is dangerous. And if the US votes for him then I really worry about the state of this world. Get used to it. He is 6/1 On to get the Republican nod, and 6/5 to win outright.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 16, 2024 12:47:09 GMT
I think literally anything is possible. Trump is dangerous. And if the US votes for him then I really worry about the state of this world. Get used to it. He is 6/1 On to get the Republican nod, and 6/5 to win outright. I know. There are so many idiotic Americans it could easily happen.
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Jan 16, 2024 12:48:24 GMT
Get used to it. He is 6/1 On to get the Republican nod, and 6/5 to win outright. I know. There are so many idiotic Americans it could easily happen. Ive moved this to The Trump thread, not the Tory Gov thread
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 16, 2024 12:48:52 GMT
That would disenfranchise hundreds of millions of people globally. Their decision to move to a different country to live there full time has done that. In my opinion, there are far more people living in the UK who are more worthy of a say of how their lives are being governed than I should be. I find it morally wrong to vote in a country that I don’t pay taxes, contribute to society or face any real consequences. I would like a system where once a person has committed to a permanent residency, ie something akin to a greencard, they can vote in that country. If they went back to their birth country and stayed there permanently, they could vote in that country as well. Interesting. Having lived for short periods abroad, I would have felt not knowledgeable enough to vote in where I was living, and I would have felt it very unfair if I could not vote in the UK when I knew I was coming back. Many pay tax in more than one jurisdiction.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 16, 2024 14:09:09 GMT
That would disenfranchise hundreds of millions of people globally. Their decision to move to a different country to live there full time has done that. In my opinion, there are far more people living in the UK who are more worthy of a say of how their lives are being governed than I should be. I find it morally wrong to vote in a country that I don’t pay taxes, contribute to society or face any real consequences. I would like a system where once a person has committed to a permanent residency, ie something akin to a greencard, they can vote in that country. If they went back to their birth country and stayed there permanently, they could vote in that country as well. ....agree with every word here, although having the choice to vote in the UK elections is one I will take, just to annoy the pant wetting lefties on here..... Anyone with " mandatory use of water canons at demonstrations" in their manifesto gets my vote ! Firm policies for a happier Britain !
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Post by gawa on Jan 16, 2024 15:48:17 GMT
Their decision to move to a different country to live there full time has done that. In my opinion, there are far more people living in the UK who are more worthy of a say of how their lives are being governed than I should be. I find it morally wrong to vote in a country that I don’t pay taxes, contribute to society or face any real consequences. I would like a system where once a person has committed to a permanent residency, ie something akin to a greencard, they can vote in that country. If they went back to their birth country and stayed there permanently, they could vote in that country as well. Interesting. Having lived for short periods abroad, I would have felt not knowledgeable enough to vote in where I was living, and I would have felt it very unfair if I could not vote in the UK when I knew I was coming back. Many pay tax in more than one jurisdiction. How do they vote though in terms of constituency? As we all vote for an MP to represent our constituency and if someone has lived in Spain for 10 years then do they vote for say Aberdeen West even though they've not lived there in a decade? Yet if I moved to Aberdeen West tomorrow do I not need to join the electoral register and declare I'm living in an address there to get registered and have the ability to vote? I just think at a time where we have record levels of net migration that it's weird that an EU citizen who has lived and worked here for the last 4 years has less say than an 18 year old who has lived in Spain since the age of 4.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 16, 2024 16:33:44 GMT
Interesting. Having lived for short periods abroad, I would have felt not knowledgeable enough to vote in where I was living, and I would have felt it very unfair if I could not vote in the UK when I knew I was coming back. Many pay tax in more than one jurisdiction. How do they vote though in terms of constituency? As we all vote for an MP to represent our constituency and if someone has lived in Spain for 10 years then do they vote for say Aberdeen West even though they've not lived there in a decade? Yet if I moved to Aberdeen West tomorrow do I not need to join the electoral register and declare I'm living in an address there to get registered and have the ability to vote? I just think at a time where we have record levels of net migration that it's weird that an EU citizen who has lived and worked here for the last 4 years has less say than an 18 year old who has lived in Spain since the age of 4. All the info is in the article, Gawa. Your example in the final paragraph does show an absurdity! No system is perfect.
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Post by essexstokey on Jan 16, 2024 22:16:30 GMT
The tories as organised as rats leaving boT oh hold on they want to stop the boats so drowning it is then 😁
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Post by essexstokey on Jan 16, 2024 22:18:52 GMT
Day 16 new-year resolution is still in tact
Tory tory tory out out out
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Post by gawa on Jan 17, 2024 11:17:11 GMT
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 17, 2024 13:26:52 GMT
The tories as organised as rats leaving boT oh hold on they want to stop the boats so drowning it is then 😁 You need help ....are you OK ?
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Post by gawa on Jan 17, 2024 15:29:47 GMT
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 17, 2024 19:10:59 GMT
Everybody is taking it for granted that Labour will win the next election hands down. Don't be too sure about that. Boundary changes should give the Tories an extra 15 seats and many Labour supporters won't vote for Labour because of the way Starmer is handling himself. It could be a close run thing.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 18, 2024 0:21:59 GMT
How excruciatingly embarrassing ... she clearly couldn't even point to Rwanda on a map, nevermind Kigali.
Cooper's smirk says it all, to think this fuckwit was recently the deputy prime minister!
There's nothing sadder, than somebody who is actually as thick as two short planks, wrongly accusing somebody else, of being thick! 🤦♂️
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2024 0:25:02 GMT
Doesn’t he make a lot of appearances on GB News etc?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 18, 2024 0:48:47 GMT
Thank god we've still got Victoria, she's one of the very few decent journalists still left at the BBC.
And Jacob, talking disingenuous bollocks in a posh accent, doesn't then stop it from still being disingenuous boĺlocks mate.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 18, 2024 6:09:14 GMT
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Post by maxplonk on Jan 18, 2024 8:05:27 GMT
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jan 18, 2024 8:45:03 GMT
How excruciatingly embarrassing ... she clearly couldn't even point to Rwanda on a map, nevermind Kigali. Cooper's smirk says it all, to think this fuckwit was recently the deputy prime minister! There's nothing sadder, than somebody who is actually as thick as two short planks, wrongly accusing somebody else, of being thick! 🤦♂️ Jesus. Proof positive we don't get anywhere near the best in that house. This is next level though.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 18, 2024 9:59:07 GMT
Good grief....
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