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Post by essexstokey on Nov 23, 2023 12:26:50 GMT
He danced all over him lol
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 23, 2023 12:32:08 GMT
The sheriff of Nottingham budget and they don't give a frier tuck
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Post by lordb on Nov 23, 2023 12:42:44 GMT
In a lot of areas not voting Labour helps the Tories. Libs will be strong down south as they campaign you to death. A lot of pissed off tory voters will still vote tory to avoid Starmer. Come GE Time I still expect tories to lose big but I dont think it will be as bad as the polls suggest. cant see anything other than a Labour landslide. Reform will hand them loads of Tory seats by dividing the tory vote Can't see Reform winning any seats but if they get as much as 10% of the vote in some seats then that could be enough for tory seats to be lost Would expect Reform to be very patchy, lose their deposit in some places, not stand in others and have an impact in some Would expect Reform to cease to exist as a campaigning party within the next few GE's
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 23, 2023 12:53:08 GMT
Not with any competency or morality. Totally agree with that but can the government dictate to what they do as they're an independent body? They can pass laws so essentially yes. For example, why not pass a law to pin the energy price cap closer to wholesale prices?
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 23, 2023 12:54:23 GMT
Property Tax, Wealth tax, whatever you want to call it. It is just a label. It is about taxing the people who won’t even notice it to pay for public services the wider population desperately need improving. That coupled with closing loopholes would generate a lot of money. Some may leave. But I expect the majority of people worth over £10m wouldn’t permanently leave their home just because they have to pay an extra 1% of tax a year. I’d increase that percentage as wealth increases. Prohibiting being a landlord as a business and so preventing companies owning buy to let residential property would be an option I would explore. Housing should be seen as more of a need and less of a commodity. I would also tax air bnb/short term letting profits at much higher level regardless of overall income, and remove the ability to deduct expenses to reduce tax. They destroy local communities and make it so there are no rental properties for locals who need to rent a home close to their children’s school. In a ideal world a lot of your ideas on property have merit We don’t live in a a ideal world as thousands of landlords leave the property sector the number of houses for sale would in all likelihood crash the property market This would be political suicide nobody is likely to vote for a party that’s halved their inheritance or plunged them into negative equity Yes there is a balance to everything and radical ideas generally need to be done slowly over time. Sadly no government plans anything long term beyond the next election cycle.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 23, 2023 12:57:39 GMT
"You're like the thief that steals a car and goes back the next day to return the hub caps" 😄 And there'll still be some daft buggers thanking them for it 🤦
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 23, 2023 13:00:12 GMT
The Resolution Foundation thinktank says this will be the first parliament on record in which household incomes in real terms will be lower at the end than at the beginning.
But I thought it was labour who had the reputation for economic incompetence!?
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 23, 2023 13:06:08 GMT
The Resolution Foundation thinktank says this will be the first parliament on record in which household incomes in real terms will be lower at the end than at the beginning. But I thought it was labour who had the reputation for economic incompetence!? Sadly I think you can apply that label to all politicians nowadays. They all to freely give it away,none of them treat it like it's their own to invest wisely.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 23, 2023 13:07:53 GMT
The absolute state of this....angry isn't the word.
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 23, 2023 13:14:40 GMT
In a ideal world a lot of your ideas on property have merit We don’t live in a a ideal world as thousands of landlords leave the property sector the number of houses for sale would in all likelihood crash the property market This would be political suicide nobody is likely to vote for a party that’s halved their inheritance or plunged them into negative equity Yes there is a balance to everything and radical ideas generally need to be done slowly over time. Sadly no government plans anything long term beyond the next election cycle. It's definitely a weakness of western democracies - there is always an eye on the next election so any tricky decisions that aren't a voter winner e.g. energy, infrastructure, social care etc are put on the back burner for someone else to deal with. Governments like that in China (for all its ills) will be looking 20-30 years in advance and planning accordingly.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 23, 2023 13:18:44 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 23, 2023 13:20:26 GMT
The Resolution Foundation thinktank says this will be the first parliament on record in which household incomes in real terms will be lower at the end than at the beginning. But I thought it was labour who had the reputation for economic incompetence!? Sadly I think you can apply that label to all politicians nowadays. They all to freely give it away,none of them treat it like it's their own to invest wisely. Perhaps. We know the current tories are incompetent. We cannot definitively say the same about anyone else as they haven’t been in charge.
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Post by Veritas on Nov 23, 2023 13:22:06 GMT
So it has taken less than 24 hours for the "tax cutting" budget to unravel and be exposed as a fraud.
I suppose we should be grateful it has only been shown to be a smoke and mirrors con rather than economy busting lunacy like last year.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 23, 2023 15:28:54 GMT
The absolute state of this....angry isn't the word. It's absolutely sickening. Labour could use that message on an election poster.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 23, 2023 15:33:28 GMT
Sadly I think you can apply that label to all politicians nowadays. They all to freely give it away,none of them treat it like it's their own to invest wisely. Perhaps. We know the current tories are incompetent. We cannot definitively say the same about anyone else as they haven’t been in charge. I'd say there's a fair to even chance that a career politician from any party would be considered incompetent by anyone who has to function in the real world.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 23, 2023 15:38:00 GMT
So Cleverly (sic) has admitted to calling Stockton "a shithole" and has apologised. Or rather got someone to apologise for him.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Nov 23, 2023 15:38:00 GMT
That's just superb. It's so good, that he's almost turned it into parody! Why they never just answer the question is beyond me. Don’t just talk bullshit. Say things honestly and people will have more respect, even if it’s not what they want to hear.
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 23, 2023 15:39:20 GMT
Totally agree with that but can the government dictate to what they do as they're an independent body? They can pass laws so essentially yes. For example, why not pass a law to pin the energy price cap closer to wholesale prices? Even better pass a law breaking the pink between gas and electric prices and invest in green energy Oh waite isn't that labour's plan to cut bills
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Post by Veritas on Nov 23, 2023 16:52:35 GMT
That's just superb. It's so good, that he's almost turned it into parody! Why they never just answer the question is beyond me. Don’t just talk bullshit. Say things honestly and people will have more respect, even if it’s not what they want to hear. Did you vote for the Truss government budget, er er er er quite incapable of owning up
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 17:08:14 GMT
That's just superb. It's so good, that he's almost turned it into parody! Why they never just answer the question is beyond me. Don’t just talk bullshit. Say things honestly and people will have more respect, even if it’s not what they want to hear. I must say, I really like this journalist. He’s just straight to the point. He doesn’t give up with it and if they don’t answer the question, he makes it very clear that they don’t answer. It’s a shame I can’t get Channel 4 news in the US.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 23, 2023 17:16:24 GMT
Perhaps. We know the current tories are incompetent. We cannot definitively say the same about anyone else as they haven’t been in charge. I'd say there's a fair to even chance that a career politician from any party would be considered incompetent by anyone who has to function in the real world. You may well be right. Starmer isn’t a career politician.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 23, 2023 17:21:57 GMT
I'd say there's a fair to even chance that a career politician from any party would be considered incompetent by anyone who has to function in the real world. You may well be right. Starmer isn’t a career politician. I was generalising, not focusing on any single politician or party. If he's anything like the last solicitor who led his party to government and became PM it'll be an interesting ride home & away.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 23, 2023 18:05:16 GMT
The absolute state of this....angry isn't the word. Confused by this, I think it’s from 2014:
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Post by henry on Nov 23, 2023 18:13:11 GMT
The absolute state of this....angry isn't the word. Confused by this, I think it’s from 2014: Oops Huddy done his homework on this.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 23, 2023 18:15:02 GMT
The absolute state of this....angry isn't the word. Confused by this, I think it’s from 2014: You may as well nut a wall mate
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Post by knype on Nov 23, 2023 18:16:23 GMT
Confused by this, I think it’s from 2014: Oops Huddy done his homework on this. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 23, 2023 18:21:25 GMT
Oops Huddy done his homework on this. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Gammon pile on!!!!!!! Right wingers assemble😏
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 23, 2023 18:22:47 GMT
The absolute state of this....angry isn't the word. Confused by this, I think it’s from 2014: Blimey the Tories were at it back then, that doesn't make it any less disgusting though does it?
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Post by wannabee on Nov 23, 2023 18:45:26 GMT
Confused by this, I think it’s from 2014: You may as well nut a wall mate An independent report into the DWP found in 2020 at least 69 Suicides linked to problems of UC claimants with DWP over previous 6 years but claim the figure is much higher It's a bit more extreme than making someone's life a living misery I won't add any laughing emojis as it's people's lives we are dealing with There are 100,000 Jobsworths in DWP making Medical decisions for which they are unqualified at the behest of their Masters www.theguardian.com/society/2020/feb/07/dwp-benefit-related-suicide-numbers-not-true-figure-says-watchdog-nao
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Post by knype on Nov 23, 2023 18:59:25 GMT
You may as well nut a wall mate An independent report into the DWP found in 2020 at least 69 Suicides linked to problems of UC claimants with DWP over previous 6 years but claim the figure is much higher It's a bit more extreme than making someone's life a living misery I won't add any laughing emojis as it's people's lives we are dealing with There are 100,000 Jobsworths in DWP making Medical decisions for which they are unqualified at the behest of their Masters www.theguardian.com/society/2020/feb/07/dwp-benefit-related-suicide-numbers-not-true-figure-says-watchdog-nao🤣🤣🤣
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