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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2023 14:43:54 GMT
I predict Stoke to win the double, about as likely. We’ll see. Some nice tax cuts as Sunak is promising now, will motivate the Tory voters to get out and vote. What policy is Starmer promoting at present that will do the same for Labour? The economy is the single biggest driving factor behind most votes. If there’s an upswing before the next election, it will be tight. Labour are just so pathetically weak and inept to take advantage.
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Post by phileetin on Nov 20, 2023 15:15:30 GMT
and liebore might've lost the terrorist voters now as well.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 20, 2023 15:44:28 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 20, 2023 15:45:01 GMT
and liebore might've lost the terrorist voters now as well. So you're labelling all Muslims as terrorists now?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 20, 2023 15:49:05 GMT
Bring him back...
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Post by salopstick on Nov 20, 2023 16:03:18 GMT
Cant be too hard on Boris for not knowing about science as most politicians dont "Patrick Vallance says that the prime minister acknowledges himself that he gave up science when he was 15. He notes this was not an issue unique to Boris Johnson, and recalls a meeting of science advisers from across Europe, where an adviser from one country said "the leader of that country had enormous problems with exponential curves” - something which raised a laugh in the meeting, as all the leaders had that issue." Vallance is being asked about how he was required to provide scientific advise to key decision makers. He said earlier that only 10% of the civil servants hired as part of the government's graduate intake programme had a science, maths or engineering degree, with 90% coming from a humanities and social science background. "It means that the routine consideration of science in policy formulation was not where it needed to be," he told the inquiry earlier today. Earlier witnesses, including the No 10 adviser Dr Ben Warner, have raised similar concerns, saying they were worried about the lack of scientific skills in key government departments. Vallance says the government now has a target for 50% of all fast track recruits to have a science or mathematics background by 2024. He adds he will "look with interest from the sidelines to see whether it's achieved".
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 20, 2023 16:05:55 GMT
I predict Stoke to win the double, about as likely. We’ll see. Some nice tax cuts as Sunak is promising now, will motivate the Tory voters to get out and vote. What policy is Starmer promoting at present that will do the same for Labour? The economy is the single biggest driving factor behind most votes. If there’s an upswing before the next election, it will be tight. Labour are just so pathetically weak and inept to take advantage. If the economy is important, voters will never vote Tory again. They have been a disaster for our wallets. But voters are thick in many cases.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 20, 2023 16:07:23 GMT
Cant be too hard on Boris for not knowing about science as most politicians dont "Patrick Vallance says that the prime minister acknowledges himself that he gave up science when he was 15. He notes this was not an issue unique to Boris Johnson, and recalls a meeting of science advisers from across Europe, where an adviser from one country said "the leader of that country had enormous problems with exponential curves” - something which raised a laugh in the meeting, as all the leaders had that issue." Vallance is being asked about how he was required to provide scientific advise to key decision makers. He said earlier that only 10% of the civil servants hired as part of the government's graduate intake programme had a science, maths or engineering degree, with 90% coming from a humanities and social science background. "It means that the routine consideration of science in policy formulation was not where it needed to be," he told the inquiry earlier today. Earlier witnesses, including the No 10 adviser Dr Ben Warner, have raised similar concerns, saying they were worried about the lack of scientific skills in key government departments. Vallance says the government now has a target for 50% of all fast track recruits to have a science or mathematics background by 2024. He adds he will "look with interest from the sidelines to see whether it's achieved". I don’t think more maths graduates would have led to a better response to covid.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 20, 2023 16:08:55 GMT
We’ll see. Some nice tax cuts as Sunak is promising now, will motivate the Tory voters to get out and vote. What policy is Starmer promoting at present that will do the same for Labour? The economy is the single biggest driving factor behind most votes. If there’s an upswing before the next election, it will be tight. Labour are just so pathetically weak and inept to take advantage. If the economy is important, voters will never vote Tory again. They have been a disaster for our wallets. But voters are thick in many cases. With short memories. Hence why tax bribes are so often proffered ahead of an election. Never seems to be any recognition of the link between poor public services and tax cuts though...
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 20, 2023 16:15:58 GMT
If the economy is important, voters will never vote Tory again. They have been a disaster for our wallets. But voters are thick in many cases. With short memories. Hence why tax bribes are so often proffered ahead of an election. Never seems to be any recognition of the link between poor public services and tax cuts though... Or God forbid councils and other tax funded departments spend our money more efficiently. I've got plenty of stories about the catastrophic amount of money councils waste. Its insane.
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Post by wannabee on Nov 20, 2023 16:42:30 GMT
I predict Stoke to win the double, about as likely. We’ll see. Some nice tax cuts as Sunak is promising now, will motivate the Tory voters to get out and vote. What policy is Starmer promoting at present that will do the same for Labour? The economy is the single biggest driving factor behind most votes. If there’s an upswing before the next election, it will be tight. Labour are just so pathetically weak and inept to take advantage. Nothing is cast in stone obviously so we'll see Wednesday what Rabbits Jeremy may try and pull out of the hat. There have been a number of actions all of which have lowered disposable income for the last 2 1/2 years Tax Thresholds have been frozen since March 2021 meaning a Fiscal Drag where previously non Tax Payers have jumped into the 20% bracket and relatively modest earners £50K have jumped into the 40% bracket all on top of NI Rampant inflation has meant chasing higher pay increases. Some Economically Illiterate Brexiteers have even tried to claim this as a Brexit Benefit On average wage increases are below the Rate of Inflation so it's a double whammy of less disposable income in a period of rising prices There are perhaps about 30% that will vote Blue come what may. As always it's the swing voters who decide Elections and it's always "It's the Economy Stupid" Jeremy is legally bound to Balance the Budget and there doesn't appear to be much Fiscal Space as the UK Economy is Static with Zero Growth. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is akin to rearranging the Deckchairs on the Titanic
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2023 16:52:11 GMT
We’ll see. Some nice tax cuts as Sunak is promising now, will motivate the Tory voters to get out and vote. What policy is Starmer promoting at present that will do the same for Labour? The economy is the single biggest driving factor behind most votes. If there’s an upswing before the next election, it will be tight. Labour are just so pathetically weak and inept to take advantage. If the economy is important, voters will never vote Tory again. They have been a disaster for our wallets. But voters are thick in many cases. Agreed. But with the right media spin (inflation halving apparently meaning more money in pockets 😒) people will eat it up. A nice little tax break at the right time (while ignoring the tax increases Tories have added since being in power) will also help. That’s the power of media, right? Tories have a better grasp of that than Labour.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2023 16:59:55 GMT
We’ll see. Some nice tax cuts as Sunak is promising now, will motivate the Tory voters to get out and vote. What policy is Starmer promoting at present that will do the same for Labour? The economy is the single biggest driving factor behind most votes. If there’s an upswing before the next election, it will be tight. Labour are just so pathetically weak and inept to take advantage. Nothing is cast in stone obviously so we'll see Wednesday what Rabbits Jeremy may try and pull out of the hat. There have been a number of actions all of which have lowered disposable income for the last 2 1/2 years Tax Thresholds have been frozen since March 2021 meaning a Fiscal Drag where previously non Tax Payers have jumped into the 20% bracket and relatively modest earners £50K have jumped into the 40% bracket all on top of NI Rampant inflation has meant chasing higher pay increases. Some Economically Illiterate Brexiteers have even tried to claim this as a Brexit Benefit On average wage increases are below the Rate of Inflation so it's a double whammy of less disposable income in a period of rising prices There are perhaps about 30% that will vote Blue come what may. As always it's the swing voters who decide Elections and it's always "It's the Economy Stupid" Jeremy is legally bound to Balance the Budget and there doesn't appear to be much Fiscal Space as the UK Economy is Static with Zero Growth. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is akin to rearranging the Deckchairs on the Titanic Let me be clear, I don’t think that Tories will improve life for anyone. It doesn’t mean that they won’t be able to create enough spin to get people engaged though. They’ve ravaged the UK economy and infrastructure. However, if the world economy improves, the UK one will do too. They will certainly take credit for it (as would Labour). Then they just need to repeat that point over and over again until that’s what people remember: “we are at a turning point, we have overcome issues of x,y,z….we will make Britain great again” blah, blah, blah. On the other hand, Starmer doesn’t seem to have much to say. He can’t keep his party in check either, which doesn’t help. At a time when Conservatives fall apart (again), cracks in Labour have widened. It’s poor management of the situation.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 20, 2023 17:16:16 GMT
Nothing is cast in stone obviously so we'll see Wednesday what Rabbits Jeremy may try and pull out of the hat. There have been a number of actions all of which have lowered disposable income for the last 2 1/2 years Tax Thresholds have been frozen since March 2021 meaning a Fiscal Drag where previously non Tax Payers have jumped into the 20% bracket and relatively modest earners £50K have jumped into the 40% bracket all on top of NI Rampant inflation has meant chasing higher pay increases. Some Economically Illiterate Brexiteers have even tried to claim this as a Brexit Benefit On average wage increases are below the Rate of Inflation so it's a double whammy of less disposable income in a period of rising prices There are perhaps about 30% that will vote Blue come what may. As always it's the swing voters who decide Elections and it's always "It's the Economy Stupid" Jeremy is legally bound to Balance the Budget and there doesn't appear to be much Fiscal Space as the UK Economy is Static with Zero Growth. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is akin to rearranging the Deckchairs on the Titanic Let me be clear, I don’t think that Tories will improve life for anyone. It doesn’t mean that they won’t be able to create enough spin to get people engaged though. They’ve ravaged the UK economy and infrastructure. However, if the world economy improves, the UK one will do too. They will certainly take credit for it (as would Labour). Then they just need to repeat that point over and over again until that’s what people remember: “we are at a turning point, we have overcome issues of x,y,z….we will make Britain great again” blah, blah, blah. On the other hand, Starmer doesn’t seem to have much to say. He can’t keep his party in check either, which doesn’t help. At a time when Conservatives fall apart (again), cracks in Labour have widened. It’s poor management of the situation. The longer the Israel/Palestine situation escalates for the bigger the banana skin it presents for Labour MPs and election candidates.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 20, 2023 17:49:31 GMT
If the economy is important, voters will never vote Tory again. They have been a disaster for our wallets. But voters are thick in many cases. Agreed. But with the right media spin (inflation halving apparently meaning more money in pockets 😒) people will eat it up. A nice little tax break at the right time (while ignoring the tax increases Tories have added since being in power) will also help. That’s the power of media, right? Tories have a better grasp of that than Labour. Yes, and for as long as our media is able to be owned by foreign non-doms it will continue.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 20, 2023 17:50:39 GMT
Let me be clear, I don’t think that Tories will improve life for anyone. It doesn’t mean that they won’t be able to create enough spin to get people engaged though. They’ve ravaged the UK economy and infrastructure. However, if the world economy improves, the UK one will do too. They will certainly take credit for it (as would Labour). Then they just need to repeat that point over and over again until that’s what people remember: “we are at a turning point, we have overcome issues of x,y,z….we will make Britain great again” blah, blah, blah. On the other hand, Starmer doesn’t seem to have much to say. He can’t keep his party in check either, which doesn’t help. At a time when Conservatives fall apart (again), cracks in Labour have widened. It’s poor management of the situation. The longer the Israel/Palestine situation escalates for the bigger the banana skin it presents for Labour MPs and election candidates. The only thing that makes labour lose the next election from where we are is the labour party. Many in the labour party seem to prefer more tory rule than a kier Starmer government, or a Labour government that isn’t what they consider proper labour.
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Post by wannabee on Nov 20, 2023 18:03:03 GMT
Nothing is cast in stone obviously so we'll see Wednesday what Rabbits Jeremy may try and pull out of the hat. There have been a number of actions all of which have lowered disposable income for the last 2 1/2 years Tax Thresholds have been frozen since March 2021 meaning a Fiscal Drag where previously non Tax Payers have jumped into the 20% bracket and relatively modest earners £50K have jumped into the 40% bracket all on top of NI Rampant inflation has meant chasing higher pay increases. Some Economically Illiterate Brexiteers have even tried to claim this as a Brexit Benefit On average wage increases are below the Rate of Inflation so it's a double whammy of less disposable income in a period of rising prices There are perhaps about 30% that will vote Blue come what may. As always it's the swing voters who decide Elections and it's always "It's the Economy Stupid" Jeremy is legally bound to Balance the Budget and there doesn't appear to be much Fiscal Space as the UK Economy is Static with Zero Growth. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is akin to rearranging the Deckchairs on the Titanic Let me be clear, I don’t think that Tories will improve life for anyone. It doesn’t mean that they won’t be able to create enough spin to get people engaged though. They’ve ravaged the UK economy and infrastructure. However, if the world economy improves, the UK one will do too. They will certainly take credit for it (as would Labour). Then they just need to repeat that point over and over again until that’s what people remember: “we are at a turning point, we have overcome issues of x,y,z….we will make Britain great again” blah, blah, blah. On the other hand, Starmer doesn’t seem to have much to say. He can’t keep his party in check either, which doesn’t help. At a time when Conservatives fall apart (again), cracks in Labour have widened. It’s poor management of the situation. "Never interrupt your enemy while they are making a mistake" - Napoleon The GE is a minimum 6 potentially 14 months away. Any Labour announcements now would have minimum impact and if popular would likely be picked up by the Tories The two major points of differrenciation on Taxation Policy Labour has already announced are a) A Green Fund of up to £28Bn per annum to build a Sovereign Wealth from Energy Renewables. There are a number of Caveates e.g. Matching Private Investment, prevailing Interest Rates etc and b) Abolish Non Dom Tax estimated to bring in £3.6Bn per year to be used to schedule 1M additional NHS appointments per year to bring down current almost 8M waiting list. These are tangible policies, whether they work or not is another thing. They are currently pitted against "Stop the Boats" as the Governments Flagship Policy I'm quite certain that Labour has a fully costed Manifestato ready to be released when Rishi fire's the Starting Pistol on the GE If Voters are taken in by Rishi Song and Dance Routine, more fool them Each political era becomes tired and need a period in opposition to refresh itself with new ideas and new blood. I think even the Tories know this. Thatcher years reached an inevitable conclusion as did Blair/Brown as has this administration summed up by resurrecting Cameron from his Sherpa Tent exile in the Saudi Dessert as there was no talent left who haven't already decided not to contest the next GE and are not under Police Investigation
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Post by LDE76 on Nov 20, 2023 18:05:39 GMT
Bring him back... I actually think that Pierluigi Collina would make a pretty good PM.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 20, 2023 18:13:48 GMT
Let me be clear, I don’t think that Tories will improve life for anyone. It doesn’t mean that they won’t be able to create enough spin to get people engaged though. They’ve ravaged the UK economy and infrastructure. However, if the world economy improves, the UK one will do too. They will certainly take credit for it (as would Labour). Then they just need to repeat that point over and over again until that’s what people remember: “we are at a turning point, we have overcome issues of x,y,z….we will make Britain great again” blah, blah, blah. On the other hand, Starmer doesn’t seem to have much to say. He can’t keep his party in check either, which doesn’t help. At a time when Conservatives fall apart (again), cracks in Labour have widened. It’s poor management of the situation. The longer the Israel/Palestine situation escalates for the bigger the banana skin it presents for Labour MPs and election candidates. Exactly, the longer the (cough) war continues, the more difficult it will become for Starmer. It's almost like it would be beneficial to the Tories to keep it going as long as possible. Oh, hang on ...
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Post by gawa on Nov 20, 2023 19:48:14 GMT
and liebore might've lost the terrorist voters now as well. What's a terrorist voter mate?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 21, 2023 6:06:03 GMT
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Post by knype on Nov 21, 2023 7:22:12 GMT
The longer the Israel/Palestine situation escalates for the bigger the banana skin it presents for Labour MPs and election candidates. Exactly, the longer the (cough) war continues, the more difficult it will become for Starmer. It's almost like it would be beneficial to the Tories to keep it going as long as possible. Oh, hang on ... Why the cough?
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Post by knype on Nov 21, 2023 7:23:42 GMT
More dross, The Eat Out to help out scheme made no difference to the spread, the same as the crazy things they introduced to stop it like masks and distancing
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 21, 2023 8:04:38 GMT
and liebore might've lost the terrorist voters now as well. Please don't post again on this thread.
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 21, 2023 8:15:20 GMT
Would have liked to have heard his response to the point that no-one from the science department raised a concern about the eat out scheme, before or afterwards. Obviously not before because they were not told. But afterwards? Sunak comes across as a complete and utter arrogant toss pot to me and will never back down, when he is asked the questions he just sits their smirking, same as when he is in pm questions. Yes arrogance can be good in positions of authority but he shows no class imo just another spoilt privately educated brat.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 21, 2023 8:45:26 GMT
More dross, The Eat Out to help out scheme made no difference to the spread, the same as the crazy things they introduced to stop it like masks and distancing Sometimes, there is absolutely no beginning to your intelligence is there?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 21, 2023 8:48:49 GMT
Exactly, the longer the (cough) war continues, the more difficult it will become for Starmer. It's almost like it would be beneficial to the Tories to keep it going as long as possible. Oh, hang on ... Why the cough? Because although technically it could be described as a war, what we are currently seeing, is a nuclear state, with a navy, an air force, tanks and one of the most highly trained armies on the planet, all backed both military and financially by the World's only remaining superpower, bomb an area and it's peoples with none (not remotely) of the above back into the stoneage.
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Post by toppercorner on Nov 21, 2023 9:01:14 GMT
i genuinely thought it was hard to have a worse PM than Cameron. Then i thought it was the bottom of the barrel with May. Boris getting in because of all his lies was shocking and was naturally worse than his previous incumbents. By the time Truss was placed in power without the public voting for her, and causing billions of damage to the economy, and untold misery to mortgage holders with hundreds of pounds extra placed on their monthly repayments, i thought this truly is the bottom of the barrel, we simply can't get worse than this.
But here we are with Sunak. The man who hates the self-employed, the man who hates any sort of creative industry. The man who had a large part in the 2008 recession is now our second in a row unelected PM, and has almost bankrupted the country. He has overseen friends/family getting billions through the public purse, he increased the spread of covid with his daft scheme, he has made sure his wife's companies got millions in covid loans without having to pay them back, the family business still deals with putin, he was a green card carrying, non-tax paying chancellor of the exchequer, and recently lied about all his covid actions, a decided to push through an inheritance tax bill that will save his daughters hundreds of millions each.
he is THE worst PM we've ever had. An unelected banker who has fucked us all. We are all worse off because of this snake.
Yet no doubt the bootlickers will still support the tories, and claim "it'd be worse under labour". Still blaming corbyn for anything, or starmer for jimmy saville etc....
It wouldn't surprise me if Farage had been put on I'm a celeb to draw attention away from the real politics of the day, in return for future political favours.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 21, 2023 9:15:03 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 21, 2023 9:25:08 GMT
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