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Post by salopstick on Nov 10, 2023 18:15:21 GMT
They did not cut pay. It was frozen for certain periods along with anyone else in the public sector. I have the pay statements to prove it Frozen = Pay Cut surely? No. Do you u derstand what a CUT in pay is or do you just blindly post twitter link after twitter link and as long as it is anti Tory you believe it blindly Pay freezes or less than inflation rises for anyone puts a squeeze on people. But a pay cut is reducing your pay. Our pay was never reduced and annual Increment payments to those eligible were paid.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 10, 2023 18:17:42 GMT
Here’s the thing Huddy…..if the cleaner is over 23 years old the Minimum Living Wage for London is £13.15p/hr. Isn’t the real question why the tories allow employers to pay minimum wage, which is less than the sum people need to be earning to be able to afford to live (the living wage)? Minimum wage stifles pay and allows people to pay the minimum.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 10, 2023 19:34:55 GMT
This is beyond sick!
The tents that are being thrown in the dust cart are obviously not empty and they very likely contain all the worldly possessions of the owner and they are going to return, to find that all they own has been stolen and destroyed on a cold November night.
It is Armistice weekend this weekend and many, many veterans sleep on the streets of our capital every night.
Camden Council have denied that they had anything to do with this.
Well done Braverman, you shame us all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2023 20:02:01 GMT
Isn’t the real question why the tories allow employers to pay minimum wage, which is less than the sum people need to be earning to be able to afford to live (the living wage)? Minimum wage stifles pay and allows people to pay the minimum. Let’s get rid of it and see what happens. I’m sure that the millionaire/billionaire business owners are desperate to pay their staff more. Minimum wage was introduced to stop businesses taking advantage of people who are desperate and have no other option. If minimum wage is failing to provide livable conditions, it should be raised.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2023 20:10:03 GMT
This is beyond sick! The tents that are being thrown in the dust cart are obviously not empty and they very likely contain all the worldly possessions of the owner and they are going to return, to find that all they own has been stolen and destroyed on a cold November night. It is Armistice weekend this weekend and many, many veterans sleep on the streets of our capital every night. Camden Council have denied that they had anything to do with this. Well done Braverman, you shame us all. Suella: We solved our homelessness problem. Reporter: Why has Britain seen a record number of deaths this winter? Suella: not my problem/Labour/Hamas/Covid/who cares? When w*nkers like Trump say “they aren’t after me, they are after YOU”, it’s crap. The everyday person is FAR more likely to end up homeless than they are to be in a position to disregard the laws like Trump, Boris et al. Homelessness isn’t a lifestyle choice, it’s a death sentence.
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Post by OldStokie on Nov 10, 2023 20:16:49 GMT
This is beyond sick! The tents that are being thrown in the dust cart are obviously not empty and they very likely contain all the worldly possessions of the owner and they are going to return, to find that all they own has been stolen and destroyed on a cold November night. It is Armistice weekend this weekend and many, many veterans sleep on the streets of our capital every night. Camden Council have denied that they had anything to do with this. Well done Braverman, you shame us all. Absolute bastards! OS.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 10, 2023 20:32:26 GMT
Minimum wage stifles pay and allows people to pay the minimum. Let’s get rid of it and see what happens. I’m sure that the millionaire/billionaire business owners are desperate to pay their staff more. Minimum wage was introduced to stop businesses taking advantage of people who are desperate and have no other option. If minimum wage is failing to provide livable conditions, it should be raised. It should be scrapped and replaced in law by the living wage that should be determined independently of government
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2023 20:38:14 GMT
Let’s get rid of it and see what happens. I’m sure that the millionaire/billionaire business owners are desperate to pay their staff more. Minimum wage was introduced to stop businesses taking advantage of people who are desperate and have no other option. If minimum wage is failing to provide livable conditions, it should be raised. It should be scrapped and replaced in law by the living wage that should be determined independently of government Who would determine it?
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 10, 2023 23:50:20 GMT
As you're someone in the Building Trade were you as equally swayed as this lady on your voting pattern? https://www.tiktok.com/@torysc_mout/video/7247661020360051994 It's rather remarkable that prior to and after Brexit Vote everyone was exorcised by all these Mysterious EU Laws and Red Tape yet after finally leaving EU they were adopted in entirety into UK Law and barely a handful have been repealed or modified since. In fact the opposite has happened Red Tape has increased considerably as a Third Country for Exports to where we send about 50% of our Goods and we have decided not to Control our Borders for Imports from EU as it will add too much cost I do agree it was to a large extent a Protest Vote and a fatalistic one at that, well things can't get any worse They were wrong, they could and did. Whether what people believed would/should happen doesn't matter politicians from all parties let the people in this country down over a long period of time which led to where we are now. You hear a lot of people moan about London getting all the investment and it's happened for years, people felt ignored they felt that politicians turned their backs on their towns and cities and arguably they still feel the same. It doesn't really matter what figures you throw at people because people make decisions on lived experience and what they believe to be true even if it isn't. I voted Brexit as a way of forcing our government's to invest in all areas of the country, to turn us into a machine, with many parts of the country having their own identity. For me on our own we had to do more and be more and the hope was eventually our children would reap the rewards. In time maybe I will be right but at the moment nothing has changed, maybe it's got worse but sometimes things have to get worse before they get better. We are either in transition or in a shitshow, given there seems to be so little happening the latter feels more likely at the moment. All my working life all I have seen is decline, heard all the stories what a thriving country we were from older generations and wanted some of that to come back so if you asked me do I regret voting leave I would say no. Maybe that's naive of me but when things have always been shit with no sign of getting better you don't feel like you have a lot to lose. As for the link, I don't have tictoc so can't watch it. I would download it but I can't bring myself to put that shit on my phone. When it comes to social media I'm not really that interested in it and avoid it as much as possible. I'm more anti social media to be honest. I was impressed by your post which was clearly written from the heart as well as the head and struck a chord with me. The UK economy has grown during the last 50 years but at a slower pace than it could have done, and in a very imbalanced way with some areas benefiting from EEC/EU membership and others suffering leading to many depressed communities in our society. I have just posted at length on the damage done by the UK's membership of the EEC/EU on the Brexit thread, including a section on the North - South divide. I'm afraid I have thrown in a lot of figures and reference links to support my arguments. The country is now in transition negotiating new trade deals, dismantling EU regulations like the CAP and it is going to take quite some time under a number of future UK governments, but there has been a start made as I last summarised on page 1,558 of the Brexit thread.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 11, 2023 7:49:28 GMT
Whether what people believed would/should happen doesn't matter politicians from all parties let the people in this country down over a long period of time which led to where we are now. You hear a lot of people moan about London getting all the investment and it's happened for years, people felt ignored they felt that politicians turned their backs on their towns and cities and arguably they still feel the same. It doesn't really matter what figures you throw at people because people make decisions on lived experience and what they believe to be true even if it isn't. I voted Brexit as a way of forcing our government's to invest in all areas of the country, to turn us into a machine, with many parts of the country having their own identity. For me on our own we had to do more and be more and the hope was eventually our children would reap the rewards. In time maybe I will be right but at the moment nothing has changed, maybe it's got worse but sometimes things have to get worse before they get better. We are either in transition or in a shitshow, given there seems to be so little happening the latter feels more likely at the moment. All my working life all I have seen is decline, heard all the stories what a thriving country we were from older generations and wanted some of that to come back so if you asked me do I regret voting leave I would say no. Maybe that's naive of me but when things have always been shit with no sign of getting better you don't feel like you have a lot to lose. As for the link, I don't have tictoc so can't watch it. I would download it but I can't bring myself to put that shit on my phone. When it comes to social media I'm not really that interested in it and avoid it as much as possible. I'm more anti social media to be honest. I was impressed by your post which was clearly written from the heart as well as the head and struck a chord with me. The UK economy has grown during the last 50 years but at a slower pace than it could have done, and in a very imbalanced way with some areas benefiting from EEC/EU membership and others suffering leading to many depressed communities in our society. I have just posted at length on the damage done by the UK's membership of the EEC/EU on the Brexit thread, including a section on the North - South divide. I'm afraid I have thrown in a lot of figures and reference links to support my arguments. The country is now in transition negotiating new trade deals, dismantling EU regulations like the CAP and it is going to take quite some time under a number of future UK governments, but there has been a start made as I last summarised on page 1,558 of the Brexit thread. And if the gutless cunts in parliament of all parties had accepted the vote of the people. Promised that out meant out and got on with the job from day 1 we would be in a stronger position now.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 11, 2023 8:18:09 GMT
I was impressed by your post which was clearly written from the heart as well as the head and struck a chord with me. The UK economy has grown during the last 50 years but at a slower pace than it could have done, and in a very imbalanced way with some areas benefiting from EEC/EU membership and others suffering leading to many depressed communities in our society. I have just posted at length on the damage done by the UK's membership of the EEC/EU on the Brexit thread, including a section on the North - South divide. I'm afraid I have thrown in a lot of figures and reference links to support my arguments. The country is now in transition negotiating new trade deals, dismantling EU regulations like the CAP and it is going to take quite some time under a number of future UK governments, but there has been a start made as I last summarised on page 1,558 of the Brexit thread. And if the gutless cunts in parliament of all parties had accepted the vote of the people. Promised that out meant out and got on with the job from day 1 we would be in a stronger position now. I very much doubt that, I think it'd be a lot worse. Pretty much everything that has been done since has been to try to limit the damage that the decision to leave has caused and continues to cause. A good example being the continuing delay on imposing checks on imports to the UK, as per the EU/UK deal. Leaving was just a mistake. Simple as that. Most people get that, thankfully. A minority don't, can't or won't. The fact that most people do will hopefully allow the country to minimise or undo the damage in years to come, especially if we have a new govt next year when we'll probably revisit and improve our relationship with the EU.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 11, 2023 11:45:18 GMT
Isn’t the real question why the tories allow employers to pay minimum wage, which is less than the sum people need to be earning to be able to afford to live (the living wage)? Minimum wage stifles pay and allows people to pay the minimum. So it is better to allow a race to the bottom so people are paid a few quid an hour?
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 11, 2023 11:46:58 GMT
I was impressed by your post which was clearly written from the heart as well as the head and struck a chord with me. The UK economy has grown during the last 50 years but at a slower pace than it could have done, and in a very imbalanced way with some areas benefiting from EEC/EU membership and others suffering leading to many depressed communities in our society. I have just posted at length on the damage done by the UK's membership of the EEC/EU on the Brexit thread, including a section on the North - South divide. I'm afraid I have thrown in a lot of figures and reference links to support my arguments. The country is now in transition negotiating new trade deals, dismantling EU regulations like the CAP and it is going to take quite some time under a number of future UK governments, but there has been a start made as I last summarised on page 1,558 of the Brexit thread. And if the gutless cunts in parliament of all parties had accepted the vote of the people. Promised that out meant out and got on with the job from day 1 we would be in a stronger position now. Out means out? So leaving the EU but remaining in the EEA and customs union? Yes, that definitely would have respected the tight vote and left us better off compared with now. But the gutless cunts on the right of the tory party who brexiteers fell for during the referendum build up and who have been free to run the country with a big majority have left us in ruins. They didn’t respect the close vote which should have led to the softest of soft brexits when we left. Not the shambles we have now. But then leave voters had no idea what the leave vote was for. They only knew it was against the EU.
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 11, 2023 11:51:42 GMT
Wonder how no 10s chicker coup is this morning and if the rats are abandoning the ship Larry the cat will be busy 😁😁
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 11, 2023 18:00:38 GMT
And if the gutless cunts in parliament of all parties had accepted the vote of the people. Promised that out meant out and got on with the job from day 1 we would be in a stronger position now. Out means out? So leaving the EU but remaining in the EEA and customs union? Yes, that definitely would have respected the tight vote and left us better off compared with now. But the gutless cunts on the right of the tory party who brexiteers fell for during the referendum build up and who have been free to run the country with a big majority have left us in ruins. They didn’t respect the close vote which should have led to the softest of soft brexits when we left. Not the shambles we have now. But then leave voters had no idea what the leave vote was for. They only knew it was against the EU. Leave voters did know what they were voting for: 1. An end of EU law applying to the UK. 2. An end of freedom of movement and uncontrolled immigration. 1. Was achieved for mainland Britain but not NI, which remains in the EU customs area with no hard border with Ireland, 2. Was achieved but illegal immigration by boat has got worse. Naturaly France refuse to take them back. But you seem to ignore the fact that since the referendum there was endless squabbling between politicians, numerous attempts by certain parties (former PMs, HoL, Speaker) to overturn the decision of the people, intransigence by the EU (even demanding the UK followed future EU laws to get a trade agreement), two general elections, the second of which was resoundingly won by Johnson on the platform to " Get Brexit Done". Labour and Tory parties promised to deliver Brexit at both GEs and received the vast majority of the votes. There was nothing close about wanting to leave the EU in England and Wales.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 11, 2023 18:22:15 GMT
Out means out? So leaving the EU but remaining in the EEA and customs union? Yes, that definitely would have respected the tight vote and left us better off compared with now. But the gutless cunts on the right of the tory party who brexiteers fell for during the referendum build up and who have been free to run the country with a big majority have left us in ruins. They didn’t respect the close vote which should have led to the softest of soft brexits when we left. Not the shambles we have now. But then leave voters had no idea what the leave vote was for. They only knew it was against the EU. Leave voters did know what they were voting for: 1. An end of EU law applying to the UK. 2. An end of freedom of movement and uncontrolled immigration. 1. Was achieved for mainland Britain but not NI, which remains in the EU customs area with no hard border with Ireland, 2. Was achieved but illegal immigration by boat has got worse. Naturaly France refuse to take them back. But you seem to ignore the fact that since the referendum there was endless squabbling between politicians, numerous attempts by certain parties (former PMs, HoL, Speaker) to overturn the decision of the people, intransigence by the EU (even demanding the UK followed future EU laws to get a trade agreement), two general elections, the second of which was resoundingly won by Johnson on the platform to " Get Brexit Done". Labour and Tory parties promised to deliver Brexit at both GEs and received the vast majority of the votes. There was nothing close about wanting to leave the EU in England and Wales. Rubbish. 47/53 in England and 47.5/52.5 in Wales. Not exactly 80/20 was it and the fact being that only a minority actively voted to leave. Never a mandate for a hard Brexit
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 11, 2023 18:23:26 GMT
Out means out? So leaving the EU but remaining in the EEA and customs union? Yes, that definitely would have respected the tight vote and left us better off compared with now. But the gutless cunts on the right of the tory party who brexiteers fell for during the referendum build up and who have been free to run the country with a big majority have left us in ruins. They didn’t respect the close vote which should have led to the softest of soft brexits when we left. Not the shambles we have now. But then leave voters had no idea what the leave vote was for. They only knew it was against the EU. Leave voters did know what they were voting for: 1. An end of EU law applying to the UK. 2. An end of freedom of movement and uncontrolled immigration. 1. Was achieved for mainland Britain but not NI, which remains in the EU customs area with no hard border with Ireland, 2. Was achieved but illegal immigration by boat has got worse. Naturaly France refuse to take them back. But you seem to ignore the fact that since the referendum there was endless squabbling between politicians, numerous attempts by certain parties (former PMs, HoL, Speaker) to overturn the decision of the people, intransigence by the EU (even demanding the UK followed future EU laws to get a trade agreement), two general elections, the second of which was resoundingly won by Johnson on the platform to " Get Brexit Done". Labour and Tory parties promised to deliver Brexit at both GEs and received the vast majority of the votes. There was nothing close about wanting to leave the EU in England and Wales. You had a different ballot paper to me. France don’t take them back because we chose to leave the Dublin Agreement when we left the EU. Didn’t you know that’s what you were voting for!?
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Post by wannabee on Nov 11, 2023 18:52:25 GMT
Whether what people believed would/should happen doesn't matter politicians from all parties let the people in this country down over a long period of time which led to where we are now. You hear a lot of people moan about London getting all the investment and it's happened for years, people felt ignored they felt that politicians turned their backs on their towns and cities and arguably they still feel the same. It doesn't really matter what figures you throw at people because people make decisions on lived experience and what they believe to be true even if it isn't. I voted Brexit as a way of forcing our government's to invest in all areas of the country, to turn us into a machine, with many parts of the country having their own identity. For me on our own we had to do more and be more and the hope was eventually our children would reap the rewards. In time maybe I will be right but at the moment nothing has changed, maybe it's got worse but sometimes things have to get worse before they get better. We are either in transition or in a shitshow, given there seems to be so little happening the latter feels more likely at the moment. All my working life all I have seen is decline, heard all the stories what a thriving country we were from older generations and wanted some of that to come back so if you asked me do I regret voting leave I would say no. Maybe that's naive of me but when things have always been shit with no sign of getting better you don't feel like you have a lot to lose. As for the link, I don't have tictoc so can't watch it. I would download it but I can't bring myself to put that shit on my phone. When it comes to social media I'm not really that interested in it and avoid it as much as possible. I'm more anti social media to be honest. I was impressed by your post which was clearly written from the heart as well as the head and struck a chord with me. The UK economy has grown during the last 50 years but at a slower pace than it could have done, and in a very imbalanced way with some areas benefiting from EEC/EU membership and others suffering leading to many depressed communities in our society. I have just posted at length on the damage done by the UK's membership of the EEC/EU on the Brexit thread, including a section on the North - South divide. I'm afraid I have thrown in a lot of figures and reference links to support my arguments. The country is now in transition negotiating new trade deals, dismantling EU regulations like the CAP and it is going to take quite some time under a number of future UK governments, but there has been a start made as I last summarised on page 1,558 of the Brexit thread. Tut Tut Mr C as usual you are being economical which I couldn't be arsed to correct on Brexit Thread CAP will not end until 2028 Scotland, Wales and NI have committed to maintaining same funding England have cut Budget by up to 35% so we'll see how that works out eh The vast Majority of Trade Deals are Rollovers why would Countries not do so. The New Ones on Government assessment are of minimal benefit by 2035. Of course the biggest added cost to Trade was non Tariff Cost of Exports to EU costing Industry £ Billions per year and Import Controls have yet to be implemented, which I thought was the whole point of Brexit, because it will cost £ Billions more per year You always seem to overlook the massive involuntary Devaluation of of Sterling immediately after Brexit Vote
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 11, 2023 18:54:22 GMT
Leave voters did know what they were voting for: 1. An end of EU law applying to the UK. 2. An end of freedom of movement and uncontrolled immigration. 1. Was achieved for mainland Britain but not NI, which remains in the EU customs area with no hard border with Ireland, 2. Was achieved but illegal immigration by boat has got worse. Naturaly France refuse to take them back. But you seem to ignore the fact that since the referendum there was endless squabbling between politicians, numerous attempts by certain parties (former PMs, HoL, Speaker) to overturn the decision of the people, intransigence by the EU (even demanding the UK followed future EU laws to get a trade agreement), two general elections, the second of which was resoundingly won by Johnson on the platform to " Get Brexit Done". Labour and Tory parties promised to deliver Brexit at both GEs and received the vast majority of the votes. There was nothing close about wanting to leave the EU in England and Wales. Rubbish. 47/53 in England and 47.5/52.5 in Wales. Not exactly 80/20 was it and the fact being that only a minority actively voted to leave. Never a mandate for a hard Brexit Not rubbish, I was referring to GE voting. In 2019 over 77% voted for parties which had "leave" in their manifestos.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 11, 2023 19:05:19 GMT
Rubbish. 47/53 in England and 47.5/52.5 in Wales. Not exactly 80/20 was it and the fact being that only a minority actively voted to leave. Never a mandate for a hard Brexit Not rubbish, I was referring to GE voting. In 2019 over 77% voted for parties which had "leave" in their manifestos. And how many normally vote either Labour or Tory?
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 11, 2023 20:38:34 GMT
Leave voters did know what they were voting for: 1. An end of EU law applying to the UK. 2. An end of freedom of movement and uncontrolled immigration. 1. Was achieved for mainland Britain but not NI, which remains in the EU customs area with no hard border with Ireland, 2. Was achieved but illegal immigration by boat has got worse. Naturaly France refuse to take them back. But you seem to ignore the fact that since the referendum there was endless squabbling between politicians, numerous attempts by certain parties (former PMs, HoL, Speaker) to overturn the decision of the people, intransigence by the EU (even demanding the UK followed future EU laws to get a trade agreement), two general elections, the second of which was resoundingly won by Johnson on the platform to " Get Brexit Done". Labour and Tory parties promised to deliver Brexit at both GEs and received the vast majority of the votes. There was nothing close about wanting to leave the EU in England and Wales. Rubbish. 47/53 in England and 47.5/52.5 in Wales. Not exactly 80/20 was it and the fact being that only a minority actively voted to leave. Never a mandate for a hard Brexit Quite right.. I'd go further and say that the rules of the referendum should have been such that an absolute majority of the entire electorate should have been required in order to force the whole Country into undertaking such a radically dissolute action, at all. I see alot of people on here arguing for and against Brexit on economic grounds but the cultural isolation and lack of free movement we now have as individuals within our nation is in my opinion culturally and individually stifling. Something which is hard to quantify in financial terms but definitely noticeable in cultural effects and it grates on the soul, as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 12, 2023 4:34:02 GMT
You may have chicken rishie balls on your hand but your call yo arms cruella for the far right failed thanks to the unbiased police Hang your head in shame and do the right thing resign
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 12, 2023 8:33:26 GMT
When the Tory government starts turning on the police they really have lost it.
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Post by OldStokie on Nov 12, 2023 20:55:14 GMT
Rubbish. 47/53 in England and 47.5/52.5 in Wales. Not exactly 80/20 was it and the fact being that only a minority actively voted to leave. Never a mandate for a hard Brexit Not rubbish, I was referring to GE voting. In 2019 over 77% voted for parties which had "leave" in their manifestos. And most of those hadn't got a clue what they were voting for. Even the boffins couldn't agree on what would happen because no one knew what the final exit strategy would be. One thing is certain, what we got was certainly not an 'oven ready deal' as idiot Boris portrayed it. SME's have been the backbone of our society for eons and it's they who have come out worst off. Many have perished and some have relocated to the EU to have a chance to survive. And none of Brexit has changed what it was all about for those that voted 'Out'... immigration. We're now out of control on the immigration stakes because we've invited far more into the country than EU citizens ever filled. OS.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 13, 2023 6:59:23 GMT
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Post by tuum on Nov 13, 2023 7:52:38 GMT
Rubbish. 47/53 in England and 47.5/52.5 in Wales. Not exactly 80/20 was it and the fact being that only a minority actively voted to leave. Never a mandate for a hard Brexit Quite right.. I'd go further and say that the rules of the referendum should have been such that an absolute majority of the entire electorate should have been required in order to force the whole Country into undertaking such a radically dissolute action, at all. I see alot of people on here arguing for and against Brexit on economic grounds but the cultural isolation and lack of free movement we now have as individuals within our nation is in my opinion culturally and individually stifling. Something which is hard to quantify in financial terms but definitely noticeable in cultural effects and it grates on the soul, as far as I'm concerned. Not sure about the rules surrounding the Brexit vote but Cameron did as much as he possibly could to ensure a Remain victory. I think he would have been happy with a simple majority vote because he never expected to lose.
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Post by 828492 on Nov 13, 2023 8:22:00 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 13, 2023 8:29:35 GMT
Rubbish. 47/53 in England and 47.5/52.5 in Wales. Not exactly 80/20 was it and the fact being that only a minority actively voted to leave. Never a mandate for a hard Brexit Quite right.. I'd go further and say that the rules of the referendum should have been such that an absolute majority of the entire electorate should have been required in order to force the whole Country into undertaking such a radically dissolute action, at all. I see alot of people on here arguing for and against Brexit on economic grounds but the cultural isolation and lack of free movement we now have as individuals within our nation is in my opinion culturally and individually stifling. Something which is hard to quantify in financial terms but definitely noticeable in cultural effects and it grates on the soul, as far as I'm concerned. I look forward to your similar post when that unprincipled charlatan starmer wins the next election and proves to be more Tory than the current wet wipe He’ll win but he won’t receive 50% plus one of the entire electorate Or does 50% plus one of the entire electorate only count when you don’t like the result
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Post by 828492 on Nov 13, 2023 8:37:41 GMT
Braverman sacked! Thank goodness
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Post by lordb on Nov 13, 2023 8:40:52 GMT
Braverman sacked! Thank goodness How safe is her seat? Can't see any political future for her
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