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Post by lordb on Nov 8, 2023 22:41:39 GMT
Almost feel sorry for him However it's clear what he thinks of her rhetoric
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 8, 2023 22:56:24 GMT
Not sure why you lefties find the complete incompetence of the government so funny since the country is plunged in turmoil but each to their own I guess. I’d personally rather debate what’s going wrong and how to fix it🤷🏻♂️
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Post by gawa on Nov 9, 2023 0:03:36 GMT
Not sure why you lefties find the complete incompetence of the government so funny since the country is plunged in turmoil but each to their own I guess. I’d personally rather debate what’s going wrong and how to fix it🤷🏻♂️ Mate I've lost all faith now that all I can do is laugh. Like honestly where do you start though? The last few years just feel like a deliberate sabotage to leave things as bad as possible before they go. It's honestly the only plausible explanation I can think of. I struggle to think of many things which are better now than they were in 2010. It feels like everything is messed up and needs fixed. Yet the debt of the country is out of control. So where do you even start? How do you fix anything without making other stuff worse? I've just lost all hope now.
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Post by wannabee on Nov 9, 2023 0:23:35 GMT
As you're someone in the Building Trade were you as equally swayed as this lady on your voting pattern? https://www.tiktok.com/@torysc_mout/video/7247661020360051994 It's rather remarkable that prior to and after Brexit Vote everyone was exorcised by all these Mysterious EU Laws and Red Tape yet after finally leaving EU they were adopted in entirety into UK Law and barely a handful have been repealed or modified since. In fact the opposite has happened Red Tape has increased considerably as a Third Country for Exports to where we send about 50% of our Goods and we have decided not to Control our Borders for Imports from EU as it will add too much cost I do agree it was to a large extent a Protest Vote and a fatalistic one at that, well things can't get any worse They were wrong, they could and did. Whether what people believed would/should happen doesn't matter politicians from all parties let the people in this country down over a long period of time which led to where we are now. You hear a lot of people moan about London getting all the investment and it's happened for years, people felt ignored they felt that politicians turned their backs on their towns and cities and arguably they still feel the same. It doesn't really matter what figures you throw at people because people make decisions on lived experience and what they believe to be true even if it isn't. I voted Brexit as a way of forcing our government's to invest in all areas of the country, to turn us into a machine, with many parts of the country having their own identity. For me on our own we had to do more and be more and the hope was eventually our children would reap the rewards. In time maybe I will be right but at the moment nothing has changed, maybe it's got worse but sometimes things have to get worse before they get better. We are either in transition or in a shitshow, given there seems to be so little happening the latter feels more likely at the moment. All my working life all I have seen is decline, heard all the stories what a thriving country we were from older generations and wanted some of that to come back so if you asked me do I regret voting leave I would say no. Maybe that's naive of me but when things have always been shit with no sign of getting better you don't feel like you have a lot to lose. As for the link, I don't have tictoc so can't watch it. I would download it but I can't bring myself to put that shit on my phone. When it comes to social media I'm not really that interested in it and avoid it as much as possible. I'm more anti social media to be honest. I can agree with you on a lot of the outcomes of the Political decisions successive Governments have made but I disagree, perhaps in hindsight, the ideological motivation of those decisions It could be argued you could go back further but taking 3 blocks since 1979 which is in most people's lifetime on this MB we have had the Thatcher, Blair and Current Conservative Administration It's too complex to going into detail of each Administration in detail so I'll just use some generalisations One of the few things I agree with that Mr Coke has said on this MB is that Governments don't create jobs, but the conditions that do Under Thatcher pursuing a Monetarist policy Interest Rates peaked at 17% and were in double digits throughout. These are not conditions conducive to Investment and Manufacturing Output declined and Unemployment rose. The £ was also overvalued under this Monetarist Policy harming Exports. She also embarked on a sell off of the Housing Stock from which there were many winners to this day, but you as a Builder know she failed to replace them in a growing population. She also decided to sell off Public Monopoly Utilities e.g. Water, Energy Transport etc which are now mostly in Foreign ownership with the priority being profit. An emphasis was placed on the "City" to create wealth for UK Inc which was successful especially after the Big Bang, but it created an even bigger wealth distribution gap Blair's main focus was on Health and Education, which was successful. Manufacturing declined even faster than under Thatcher and was underpinned not by Investment in Automation to increase productivity, but by cheap imported Labour. Interest Rates remained high but not as high as during Thatcher years but not low enough for Industry to invest and arrest the decline. Blair also went on a charm offensive to further boost the City with new entrants. The shit obviously hit the fan in 2008. Surprisingly from 2009 under Brown GDP growth picked up and lasted until 2011. Of course another event occurred under Blair which was an illegal War in Iraq which spawned many Terrorist Groups and for which we are still suffering the consequences today. The present Conservative Administration under its various incarnations despite the propaganda inherited a Debt of 1Trillion or 60% of GDP to now a Debt of 2.5 Trillion (I know about the 400Bn for Covid) or 100% of GDP. Supported by it's Coalition Partners it embarked on a Policy of getting the relatively low Debt it inherited at a time when Interest Rates were at Historically low (to service debt) Rates 0.1% to 2% It was exactly the wrong Policy at exactly the wrong time. Never with Interest Rates so low was a more appropriate time to invest in infrastructure and dare I say House Building. It wasn't helped that they chose a Vanity Project HS2 to pour Billions of £ of mismanagement into and now can't complete because interest rates are no longer low and there is no end in sight to the mismanagement. It's for other people to decide whether Austerity in NHS left UK I'll prepared for Pandemic and so therefore the £400Bn was a reaction to previous underspend and that's overlooking some of the Dodgy Contracts in the VIP lane. I won't dwell on Brexit we discussed in passing and there's a whole thread dedicated to it, but I've yet to hear a Brexit supporter offer one positive from Brexit other than Sovereignty. I accept that's important but the reality is in a Global World you only control that to the extent your more influential Partners allow, the events since 7th October have taught us that and previously under Blair with Iraq So I guess overall you're probably right for 40+ years we had pretty shit Government but as you also correctly say it depends on your personal circumstances which were shittier
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Post by wannabee on Nov 9, 2023 0:49:32 GMT
Not sure why you lefties find the complete incompetence of the government so funny since the country is plunged in turmoil but each to their own I guess. I’d personally rather debate what’s going wrong and how to fix it🤷🏻♂️ A GE "might" be a start and I emphasise might I guess I'm one of the lefties, but I don't find it one bit funny, tragic yes bordering on despair There are many issues to be resolved in this country and they can't all be resolved at once and each should be addressed in priority and certainly not by soundbites and pledges from Rishi and Starmer One issues of low priority is Suella Braverman's Political Ambition. Rishi should grow a pair of Balls and tell her to shut up and do the fucking job she was appointed to as the Home Office is a ginormous mess. Alternatively sack her and appoint someone competent as she is taking up far too much oxygen and bandwidth
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2023 3:01:02 GMT
Do you think so? I'm not so sure. It's certainly the case that the "war on terror" led to a number of foreign policy blunders by Bush and Blair but I'm not really sure they had much impact at all at home, where there was a steady improvement in things like education and the health service at that time. I think you can lay the blame for Brexit fairly squarely at the door of the casino bankers who brought about the financial crisis in 07/08. That led to a global recession. The UK, as a global financial centre, perhaps even the global financial centre at the time, suffered particularly badly, having to bail out numerous banks and enduing a sharp and deep recession that blew a large hole in our public debt and deficit figures which, up to that point, had been perfectly manageable. In response, the Tory/LD coalition decided on a period of austerity. Services declined, people got worse off, living standards fell, those hard won improvements in education and healthcare fell away. People, as they always are in times of recession/financial hardship, were pissed off and wanted to blame someone. In the midst of this Cameron holds the EU referendum. I genuinely think the referendum was not really about Europe for millions of those who voted Leave, it was about giving Cameron's government a kicking for the state of the country and individuals' personal finances at the time. Farage's brand of political populism exploited financial hardship, as populism always does. It appealed to the lowest common denominator, as it always does. So, immigrants were the problem, those foreigners in the EU were the problem, when we leave food will be cheaper , we'll have more money for the NHS etc , we'll have less red tape , we'll have better protections for workers' rights and the environment etc etc. Farage's skill, in direct contrast to Cameron's detached stupidity, was to recognise both that the timing was absolutely right for the best chance of the UK leaving, by energising a Leave protest vote that was, in large part, more against all the domestic shit that was happening ("give Cameron's govt a kicking") than the EU itself, and to identify and maximise the levers that appeal to people's base instincts whenever financial hardship hits: foreigners, immigrants etc. I suspect the financial crash is much more relevant to all the Brexit related shite the country is suffering from than 9/11. No doubt the crash would have had some impact but uncontrolled immigration, area's losing their identity and apparently not being able to make our own rules was the biggest driver for Brexit. As someone who works in the building trade people are quite openly against immigration and foreigners in general and it played a huge part in their reasons for voting leave and being in control of our own borders and laws. This country was going downhill long before the crash where there seemed to be no investment anywhere, area's being run down and losing businesses which were their USP and replaced with nothing. It just looked like we were falling behind whilst other countries were excelling despite us being the country that has a long history of being at the front of new technologies. The crash just compounded an issue that was already there, it just extended the period with no investment in towns and cities and with a future which looked more of the same. Spending billions on wars took away a lot of investment too. Things were so shit for so long investment wise many would have thought it couldn't get much worse than it was so it was worth the risk leaving. Every other week the Tories were blaming the EU for this that and the other and people were fed up with them supposedly forcing laws on us which were holding us back from being the country we should be. People were generally fed up of everything really and Brexit offered an opportunity for a huge kick up the arse. The terror attacks gave a huge boost to those wanting to control our own borders and the message was we could only do that outside the EU. The terror attacks just made people want rid of foreigners more and accelerated the will to leave. We don't make anything anymore is also something I have heard many many times over the years. This is my experience growing up through it, yours might be different but unless I have missed something this was the general feeling in my line of work through the years. I think that it’s really interesting to hear other people’s opinions on what they have experienced in their sector. Thank you for sharing. I think it’s very easy to have tunnel vision based on our own experiences. I know, for example, that Brexit and the Tory govt have managed to set back STEMM quite dramatically. For me, Brexit was a catalyst to leave the country. While my parents etc are in Stoke (which is why I have a connection to this club and all that’s associated with it), I will never return for more than a week’s visit. I was able to carry on my work elsewhere, where opportunity was available. However, that is only my sector and it is good to hear from others, so thanks again.
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 9, 2023 7:15:43 GMT
Whether what people believed would/should happen doesn't matter politicians from all parties let the people in this country down over a long period of time which led to where we are now. You hear a lot of people moan about London getting all the investment and it's happened for years, people felt ignored they felt that politicians turned their backs on their towns and cities and arguably they still feel the same. It doesn't really matter what figures you throw at people because people make decisions on lived experience and what they believe to be true even if it isn't. I voted Brexit as a way of forcing our government's to invest in all areas of the country, to turn us into a machine, with many parts of the country having their own identity. For me on our own we had to do more and be more and the hope was eventually our children would reap the rewards. In time maybe I will be right but at the moment nothing has changed, maybe it's got worse but sometimes things have to get worse before they get better. We are either in transition or in a shitshow, given there seems to be so little happening the latter feels more likely at the moment. All my working life all I have seen is decline, heard all the stories what a thriving country we were from older generations and wanted some of that to come back so if you asked me do I regret voting leave I would say no. Maybe that's naive of me but when things have always been shit with no sign of getting better you don't feel like you have a lot to lose. As for the link, I don't have tictoc so can't watch it. I would download it but I can't bring myself to put that shit on my phone. When it comes to social media I'm not really that interested in it and avoid it as much as possible. I'm more anti social media to be honest. I can agree with you on a lot of the outcomes of the Political decisions successive Governments have made but I disagree, perhaps in hindsight, the ideological motivation of those decisions It could be argued you could go back further but taking 3 blocks since 1979 which is in most people's lifetime on this MB we have had the Thatcher, Blair and Current Conservative Administration It's too complex to going into detail of each Administration in detail so I'll just use some generalisations One of the few things I agree with that Mr Coke has said on this MB is that Governments don't create jobs, but the conditions that do Under Thatcher pursuing a Monetarist policy Interest Rates peaked at 17% and were in double digits throughout. These are not conditions conducive to Investment and Manufacturing Output declined and Unemployment rose. The £ was also overvalued under this Monetarist Policy harming Exports. She also embarked on a sell off of the Housing Stock from which there were many winners to this day, but you as a Builder know she failed to replace them in a growing population. She also decided to sell off Public Monopoly Utilities e.g. Water, Energy Transport etc which are now mostly in Foreign ownership with the priority being profit. An emphasis was placed on the "City" to create wealth for UK Inc which was successful especially after the Big Bang, but it created an even bigger wealth distribution gap Blair's main focus was on Health and Education, which was successful. Manufacturing declined even faster than under Thatcher and was underpinned not by Investment in Automation to increase productivity, but by cheap imported Labour. Interest Rates remained high but not as high as during Thatcher years but not low enough for Industry to invest and arrest the decline. Blair also went on a charm offensive to further boost the City with new entrants. The shit obviously hit the fan in 2008. Surprisingly from 2009 under Brown GDP growth picked up and lasted until 2011. Of course another event occurred under Blair which was an illegal War in Iraq which spawned many Terrorist Groups and for which we are still suffering the consequences today. The present Conservative Administration under its various incarnations despite the propaganda inherited a Debt of 1Trillion or 60% of GDP to now a Debt of 2.5 Trillion (I know about the 400Bn for Covid) or 100% of GDP. Supported by it's Coalition Partners it embarked on a Policy of getting the relatively low Debt it inherited at a time when Interest Rates were at Historically low (to service debt) Rates 0.1% to 2% It was exactly the wrong Policy at exactly the wrong time. Never with Interest Rates so low was a more appropriate time to invest in infrastructure and dare I say House Building. It wasn't helped that they chose a Vanity Project HS2 to pour Billions of £ of mismanagement into and now can't complete because interest rates are no longer low and there is no end in sight to the mismanagement. It's for other people to decide whether Austerity in NHS left UK I'll prepared for Pandemic and so therefore the £400Bn was a reaction to previous underspend and that's overlooking some of the Dodgy Contracts in the VIP lane. I won't dwell on Brexit we discussed in passing and there's a whole thread dedicated to it, but I've yet to hear a Brexit supporter offer one positive from Brexit other than Sovereignty. I accept that's important but the reality is in a Global World you only control that to the extent your more influential Partners allow, the events since 7th October have taught us that and previously under Blair with Iraq So I guess overall you're probably right for 40+ years we had pretty shit Government but as you also correctly say it depends on your personal circumstances which were shittier I didn't reach working age until 97 and to memory it's always been shit. Stoke has always been like a rundown shithole which had a great history and no future. It's always felt like we have been talking knock after knock. I never really got into politics and all the fine details so for me making choices and voting has been based on experiences rather than looking at every policy, maybe you find that lazy but not everyone wants to go looking through policy after policy some people just like to keep things simple. I vote for people with a moral compass and education mostly today and never Tories or people who share their ideology which lets be honest is generally based on greed. I voted for Corbyn twice which may surprise you even the first time straight after Brexit as I thought he would do a better job of it and more likely to deliver what I wanted from it and he would have done it for the people. The Tories may have gave us the opportunity for Brexit but I've never trusted them to deliver it in a way that benefits the people. Next election I may even be going Green if we have a candidate, I had intended on voting Labour but they've lost my vote.
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 9, 2023 7:25:41 GMT
Not sure why you lefties find the complete incompetence of the government so funny since the country is plunged in turmoil but each to their own I guess. I’d personally rather debate what’s going wrong and how to fix it🤷🏻♂️ If people didn't laugh they'd cry. The Tories USP is anger they have nothing to offer the country, they never have and never will. They've milked this country for every penny they can get. It's not incompetence it's how they work.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 9, 2023 7:28:35 GMT
Not sure why you lefties find the complete incompetence of the government so funny since the country is plunged in turmoil but each to their own I guess. I’d personally rather debate what’s going wrong and how to fix it🤷🏻♂️ You've never heard of gallows humour?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 9, 2023 7:35:58 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 9, 2023 7:38:09 GMT
I can agree with you on a lot of the outcomes of the Political decisions successive Governments have made but I disagree, perhaps in hindsight, the ideological motivation of those decisions It could be argued you could go back further but taking 3 blocks since 1979 which is in most people's lifetime on this MB we have had the Thatcher, Blair and Current Conservative Administration It's too complex to going into detail of each Administration in detail so I'll just use some generalisations One of the few things I agree with that Mr Coke has said on this MB is that Governments don't create jobs, but the conditions that do Under Thatcher pursuing a Monetarist policy Interest Rates peaked at 17% and were in double digits throughout. These are not conditions conducive to Investment and Manufacturing Output declined and Unemployment rose. The £ was also overvalued under this Monetarist Policy harming Exports. She also embarked on a sell off of the Housing Stock from which there were many winners to this day, but you as a Builder know she failed to replace them in a growing population. She also decided to sell off Public Monopoly Utilities e.g. Water, Energy Transport etc which are now mostly in Foreign ownership with the priority being profit. An emphasis was placed on the "City" to create wealth for UK Inc which was successful especially after the Big Bang, but it created an even bigger wealth distribution gap Blair's main focus was on Health and Education, which was successful. Manufacturing declined even faster than under Thatcher and was underpinned not by Investment in Automation to increase productivity, but by cheap imported Labour. Interest Rates remained high but not as high as during Thatcher years but not low enough for Industry to invest and arrest the decline. Blair also went on a charm offensive to further boost the City with new entrants. The shit obviously hit the fan in 2008. Surprisingly from 2009 under Brown GDP growth picked up and lasted until 2011. Of course another event occurred under Blair which was an illegal War in Iraq which spawned many Terrorist Groups and for which we are still suffering the consequences today. The present Conservative Administration under its various incarnations despite the propaganda inherited a Debt of 1Trillion or 60% of GDP to now a Debt of 2.5 Trillion (I know about the 400Bn for Covid) or 100% of GDP. Supported by it's Coalition Partners it embarked on a Policy of getting the relatively low Debt it inherited at a time when Interest Rates were at Historically low (to service debt) Rates 0.1% to 2% It was exactly the wrong Policy at exactly the wrong time. Never with Interest Rates so low was a more appropriate time to invest in infrastructure and dare I say House Building. It wasn't helped that they chose a Vanity Project HS2 to pour Billions of £ of mismanagement into and now can't complete because interest rates are no longer low and there is no end in sight to the mismanagement. It's for other people to decide whether Austerity in NHS left UK I'll prepared for Pandemic and so therefore the £400Bn was a reaction to previous underspend and that's overlooking some of the Dodgy Contracts in the VIP lane. I won't dwell on Brexit we discussed in passing and there's a whole thread dedicated to it, but I've yet to hear a Brexit supporter offer one positive from Brexit other than Sovereignty. I accept that's important but the reality is in a Global World you only control that to the extent your more influential Partners allow, the events since 7th October have taught us that and previously under Blair with Iraq So I guess overall you're probably right for 40+ years we had pretty shit Government but as you also correctly say it depends on your personal circumstances which were shittier I didn't reach working age until 97 and to memory it's always been shit. Stoke has always been like a rundown shithole which had a great history and no future. It's always felt like we have been talking knock after knock. I never really got into politics and all the fine details so for me making choices and voting has been based on experiences rather than looking at every policy, maybe you find that lazy but not everyone wants to go looking through policy after policy some people just like to keep things simple. I vote for people with a moral compass and education mostly today and never Tories or people who share their ideology which lets be honest is generally based on greed. I voted for Corbyn twice which may surprise you even the first time straight after Brexit as I thought he would do a better job of it and more likely to deliver what I wanted from it and he would have done it for the people. The Tories may have gave us the opportunity for Brexit but I've never trusted them to deliver it in a way that benefits the people. Next election I may even be going Green if we have a candidate, I had intended on voting Labour but they've lost my vote. Well said, totally agree with this.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 9, 2023 8:24:48 GMT
Grow some balls Sunak, the woman has now attempted to bring NI into this for absolutely no good reason, she's absolutely batshit mental ...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 9, 2023 9:08:00 GMT
Grow some balls Sunak, the woman has now attempted to bring NI into this for absolutely no good reason, she's absolutely batshit mental ... She needs sacking....today. I know that's what she wants but we cannot go on like this.
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Post by Veritas on Nov 9, 2023 9:10:33 GMT
Grow some balls Sunak, the woman has now attempted to bring NI into this for absolutely no good reason, she's absolutely batshit mental ... She needs sacking....today. I know that's what she wants but we cannot go on like this. Just when you think she can't get any lower she manages to confound expectations
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Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 9, 2023 9:19:19 GMT
Not sure why you lefties find the complete incompetence of the government so funny since the country is plunged in turmoil but each to their own I guess. I’d personally rather debate what’s going wrong and how to fix it🤷🏻♂️ It’s depressing, challenging and heartbreaking. One of the richest countries in the world with falling living standards, increases in poverty (& children going hungry) and the gap from the bottom to the top expanding almost on a daily basis. People in charge who seem to have no compassion or realisation what it’s like for the majority of us and don’t understand the damage they’re doing on a daily basis. Not just with policy making but their words. They are intentionally divisive and they want to divide & conquer, make sure we keep arguing amongst ourselves and ignore them in the main. And it’s working. People still believe their rhetoric about things that aren’t true and they’re allowed to just say it, with no real consequence. We’ve probably got another year of it to go as there will be some still trying to line their (& their friends) pockets as one last hurrah. I’m definitely a lefty, i think there should be massive spending on the public sector, that people should be given the opportunity to achieve in education and live a happy & healthy life - I accept there are those who abuse the system and spoil it for the rest. But I also believe the people at the top should be playing the same game as us, being taxed properly and fairly and having to abide by the same rules - I think under this government that has been exploited like never before and it’s a big part of the financial mess we now find ourselves in as a country and why the cost of living is hitting so hard. But we’ve got gallows humour on our side, it’s one of the few ways we can have a proper conversation about it. (But I’m no fan of Starmer)
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 9, 2023 9:25:59 GMT
She needs sacking....today. I know that's what she wants but we cannot go on like this. Just when you think she can't get any lower she manages to confound expectations It's her staggering level of ignorance and sheer stupidity that is jaw dropping. She is being offensive to the very people, who would be her natural political allies, pro Union, pro Brexit, pro Christian. She clearly can't have done it deliberately but rather, she has exposed just how little knowledge and understanding she has of the history of Northern Ireland. This is not only completey unacceptable for a British Home Secretary in it's own right but when that ignorance is combined with such incendiary rhetoric, it's becomes very, very dangerous. If she was white, we wouldn't have got anywhere near this far down the line but we've now reached a point, where if she isn't removed immediately, she completely undermines any credibility that Sunak has left.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 9, 2023 9:50:04 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 9, 2023 11:00:32 GMT
Grow some balls Sunak, the woman has now attempted to bring NI into this for absolutely no good reason, she's absolutely batshit mental ... She needs sacking....today. I know that's what she wants but we cannot go on like this. Thinking about it, I’m not sure if he thinks he can afford to sack her today/tomorrow. If it kicks off on Saturday and she’s been sacked then she’ll come back with a big fat “I told you so” and totally undermine him, throwing fuel on the fire about his complete incompetence. Letters will almost certainly go into the 1922 committee from some of the more vocal in the party and he’ll have to come out and comment on the situation (before scurrying away without answering any questions) Alternative options: 1. He waits, it kicks off on Saturday and he lays the blame on her for her complete mismanagement as Home Secretary and for encouraging the situation 2. He waits, it doesn’t kick off and he fires her for her complete mismanagement etc. 3. He does nothing, regardless of what happens because he’s weak and his position is reliant on not too many Tories being upset with him. I think I know which one he’ll pick.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Nov 9, 2023 11:15:24 GMT
She's an utterly vile, clueless and classless individual.
Whoever thought Priti Patel could be considered moderate.
Language matters, especially when you're in a position of power and authority and she clearly can't be trusted with either.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 9, 2023 11:21:11 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 9, 2023 11:34:16 GMT
I suppose it all makes sense as Sue Ellen (real name apparently ) husband is Jewish .
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 9, 2023 11:47:21 GMT
She needs sacking....today. I know that's what she wants but we cannot go on like this. Thinking about it, I’m not sure if he thinks he can afford to sack her today/tomorrow. If it kicks off on Saturday and she’s been sacked then she’ll come back with a big fat “I told you so” and totally undermine him, throwing fuel on the fire about his complete incompetence. Letters will almost certainly go into the 1922 committee from some of the more vocal in the party and he’ll have to come out and comment on the situation (before scurrying away without answering any questions) Alternative options: 1. He waits, it kicks off on Saturday and he lays the blame on her for her complete mismanagement as Home Secretary and for encouraging the situation 2. He waits, it doesn’t kick off and he fires her for her complete mismanagement etc. 3. He does nothing, regardless of what happens because he’s weak and his position is reliant on not too many Tories being upset with him. I think I know which one he’ll pick. Option 3 - bet your house on it.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 9, 2023 11:49:25 GMT
I suppose it all makes sense as Sue Ellen (real name apparently ) husband is Jewish . There is increasing talk that her style of Hindu is fiercely opposed to Muslim faith. Maybe no mileage in this but her stance on the palestinian situation sort of explains it.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 9, 2023 12:06:57 GMT
She's an utterly vile, clueless and classless individual. Whoever thought Priti Patel could be considered moderate. Language matters, especially when you're in a position of power and authority and she clearly can't be trusted with either. She’s ace, according to Aureliuspotter….
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 9, 2023 12:08:50 GMT
Not sure why you lefties find the complete incompetence of the government so funny since the country is plunged in turmoil but each to their own I guess. I’d personally rather debate what’s going wrong and how to fix it🤷🏻♂️ Given you are Farage’s biggest cheerleader on here, I would have thought you are a huge fan of Braverman, whose rhetoric aligns very well with Nigel. Another pea in the pod.
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Post by knype on Nov 9, 2023 12:26:21 GMT
I suppose it all makes sense as Sue Ellen (real name apparently ) husband is Jewish . There is increasing talk that her style of Hindu is fiercely opposed to Muslim faith. Maybe no mileage in this but her stance on the palestinian situation sort of explains it. Increasing talk? Oh come on Huddy ffs. The same could be said of you and your supporting of Corbyn indicating you are Anti-Israel and Hamas are your friends?
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Post by gawa on Nov 9, 2023 13:23:29 GMT
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Post by gawa on Nov 9, 2023 13:27:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2023 13:28:35 GMT
Does anyone have the full article? I don’t subscribe to the times.
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Post by gawa on Nov 9, 2023 13:34:02 GMT
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