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Post by essexstokey on Nov 16, 2017 22:20:10 GMT
found this pic of roger  |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 19, 2017 18:19:53 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 20, 2017 0:42:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 15:25:44 GMT
I didn't say they had caused the recession, I said their actions could have helped prevent what caused the austerity to be thought about; so much austerity may not have been thought about if Brown and Blair had put away for a rainy day instead of completly emptying the coffers Yet another myth The deficit in the run up to the crash wasn't extraordinary by any measure www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-myth-excessive-government-borrowing-got-us-into-this-mess-8601390.html#galleryYou could just about argue that in the boom years they should have run a balanced budget rather than a small deficit, however that is absolutely no consequence to the Tory Government choosing targetted austerity as its path. What a pile of wank. Take this comment for example... The article fails to mention that in 2006\2007 Labour had enjoyed the fruits of a record number of quarters of GDP growth (which just happened to have started 2-3 years before they came into power in 1997). The large deficit that the Tories had in 1992-1994 came after a recession so the fucking moron who wrote the article is comparing a deficit that's the result of a recession against a deficit created after 12 years of growth. So, despite enjoying 12 years of growth, Labour managed to turn a surplus into a deficit, increase borrowing and abuse PFI to shit. The pricks that write these articles need to find another period in our history where a government enjoyed such a long period of economic growth and yet managed to turn every positive trend into a negative one. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 20, 2017 16:08:43 GMT
"Georgia tries the shower" ? You need to get out more ;-) |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 20, 2017 16:15:02 GMT
FYD How fucking dare you come on here with your facts! Momo and Huddy have told me it's deliberate class genocide. |
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Post by Northy on Nov 20, 2017 16:20:54 GMT
The problem with Labour was there wastefulness, £26billion wasted on IT projects, the john Major years got the economy heading in the right direction after the early 90's recession, black Friday, george Sorros etc., the first 3 or 4 years labour benefitted from that direction until Brown changed his spending direction from the US model to a European model with a big jump in spending per GDP%, if they'd done it a more slower pace, had ministers in who knew what they were doing for teh large projects and quangos and energy we wouldn't have had the biggest debt in history when they left office in 2010, and maybe would have the electorate trusting them more. So we are getting somewhere now though aren't we. Labour weren't responsible for the global crash and the deficit they ran up until the crash was unextraordinary in historic terms. Austerity. The targeting of the weakest in society, was a political dogma entirely down to the Tory Party and it is the Tory Party who must answer for its devastating life destroying consequences. Where have I said they were repsonsible for the global crash? Their spending actions didn't help the country for the consequences of it, yes the debt was the highest ever recorded in peace time history, drastic measures had to be taken to get things back on track, you seem to look at one thing only, there is always a combination of factors that affect something like that. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 20, 2017 16:27:51 GMT
This is the real face of austerity. It is wilful class genocide and its architects will be tainted by history when the true horrific human costs are fully revealed. www.theguardian.com/careers/2017/feb/23/disability-employment-gap-sanctions-cuts-and-death-after-fit-to-work-testsLawrence Bond suffered from a heart condition, shortness of breath and struggled with mobility. His GP had reportedly also made two referrals for mental health services. But, despite all that, the 56-year-old was declared “fit to work” at an assessment in July.
As a result, Bond’s benefits were slashed and he was told to get down to his local Jobcentre in Kentish Town to look for work. He launched an appeal against the ruling, but had no other options while he waited. “His anxiety was getting worse as he could not pay bills and was afraid to leave home to go to the shops,” his sister explained.
Then, in January, as he travelled back from the Jobcentre, he collapsed and died of a heart attack.
The case of Lawrence Bond is not unique. 2016 figures showed that more than half of disabled people who appealed their “fit to work” assessment eventually got the decision overturned. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 20, 2017 17:00:12 GMT
So we are getting somewhere now though aren't we. Labour weren't responsible for the global crash and the deficit they ran up until the crash was unextraordinary in historic terms. Austerity. The targeting of the weakest in society, was a political dogma entirely down to the Tory Party and it is the Tory Party who must answer for its devastating life destroying consequences. Where have I said they were repsonsible for the global crash? Their spending actions didn't help the country for the consequences of it, yes the debt was the highest ever recorded in peace time history, drastic measures had to be taken to get things back on track, you seem to look at one thing only, there is always a combination of factors that affect something like that. The current debt is the highest recorded ever. And that's after almost eight years of Tory rule and austerity. £45 a second, every second, just to service the interest. And morons like Northy can see no further than Labour waste. Well done, the Tories, well done. |
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 20, 2017 17:28:21 GMT
Where have I said they were repsonsible for the global crash? Their spending actions didn't help the country for the consequences of it, yes the debt was the highest ever recorded in peace time history, drastic measures had to be taken to get things back on track, you seem to look at one thing only, there is always a combination of factors that affect something like that. The current debt is the highest recorded outside of war influence. And that's after almost eight years of Tory rule and austerity. Well done, the Tories, well done. RW&B, You can't expect the wealthy, who have gotten wealthy off the backs of the low paid tax paying citizens of this country to pay a fair share of the burden of that wealth. They just won't stomach it, because the greedy little piggies have been indulged for so long now, they have no memory of responsibility. You can't buy integrity |
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Post by manmarking on Nov 20, 2017 18:05:10 GMT
The current debt is the highest recorded outside of war influence. And that's after almost eight years of Tory rule and austerity. Well done, the Tories, well done. RW&B, You can't expect the wealthy, who have gotten wealthy off the backs of the low paid tax paying citizens of this country to pay a fair share of the burden of that wealth. They just won't stomach it, because the greedy little piggies have been indulged for so long now, they have no memory of responsibility. You can't buy integrity No, although you can bet your bottom dollar that the board's usual suspects will be out in force to defend their lords and masters. Must be great being rich and having your own dad's army of upper working/middle class lickspittle lapdogs like vodger, fyd et al to handle all the PR. So unquestioningly and with such tremendous ignorance  From the trickle down myth to out-of-control unions, "there's no money left" notes, bloody students, on yer bike, Labour bankrupted the country and all the rest of the establishment bullshit - they hoover it all up like whales trawling for krill  |
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Post by manmarking on Nov 20, 2017 18:19:36 GMT
So we are getting somewhere now though aren't we. Labour weren't responsible for the global crash and the deficit they ran up until the crash was unextraordinary in historic terms. Austerity. The targeting of the weakest in society, was a political dogma entirely down to the Tory Party and it is the Tory Party who must answer for its devastating life destroying consequences. Where have I said they were repsonsible for the global crash? Their spending actions didn't help the country for the consequences of it, yes the debt was the highest ever recorded in peace time history, drastic measures had to be taken to get things back on track, you seem to look at one thing only, there is always a combination of factors that affect something like that. I was about to sub myself off for the evening but it looks as if I'll have to quickly rake yer ankles first, Northy owd sport You're shifting your argument around like mad here mate. If you must stick blindly to the Tory spin machine's line, at least get your facts right and your story straight. One minute it's the size of spending, the next it's the nature of spending, then it's this hogwash about the largest ever recorded debt. Put down The Express and read a bit more around the subject, fella  |
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 20, 2017 18:22:29 GMT
FYD How fucking dare you come on here with your facts! Momo and Huddy have told me it's deliberate class genocide. no its called social cleansing anything to get the working labour voters out of the voting register to keep the torys in power! bedroom tax increase in homelessness lack of policing cuts to benefits cuts per capita to health Education the list go's on and on anything to keep the rich in power |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 20, 2017 19:00:04 GMT
 Oh dear.... |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 21, 2017 7:05:30 GMT
Oh dear.... Huddy yet again showing he does not understand the difference between deficit and debt |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 21, 2017 9:31:10 GMT
Oh dear.... Huddy yet again showing he does not understand the difference between deficit and debt Its never made sense to me that we borrow and yet give money out in foreign aid. You would not take out a credit card loan with interest and give it away. I don't believe that the apparent reciprical benefits actually benefit the basic tax payer....but they do benefit the rich in other countries and those having well paid jobs in the charity sector. Of course we should help everyone in need, but should get our own house in order first |
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 22, 2017 8:40:13 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 22, 2017 10:15:11 GMT
25% off when you buy 6 or more. Time to stock up on the bubbly. Cheers. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 22, 2017 11:31:22 GMT
25% off when you buy 6 or more. Time to stock up on the bubbly. Cheers. Don't waste them on bloody Christmas save it to celebrate our successful brexit negotiations |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 22, 2017 11:36:35 GMT
25% off when you buy 6 or more. Time to stock up on the bubbly. Cheers. Don't waste them on bloody Christmas save it to celebrate our successful brexit negotiations Friday 29th March 2019. Spoons will be giving away free ale  |
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 22, 2017 11:39:13 GMT
Don't waste them on bloody Christmas save it to celebrate our successful brexit negotiations Friday 29th March 2019. Spoons will be giving away free ale Currently due to health I don't drink but I think on that day I may just risk a half or two |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 22, 2017 11:43:46 GMT
Friday 29th March 2019. Spoons will be giving away free ale Currently due to health I don't drink but I think on that day I may just risk a half or two I might even indulge in a Belgium beer, Spanish Rioja, Italian Presecco and French Champagne just to show there's no hard feelings |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 11:46:34 GMT
I've always wanted to know what Labour voters thought that a Labour government would have done if they'd have remained in power in 2010. They don't realise that any government would have had to borrow huge amounts.
Labour can't play the 'you need to spend to invest in the economy' card again because when they tried that between 2001-2007 they increased both the debt and deficit.
Saying that, this government is shit but they're miles better than the alternative which is worrying.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 22, 2017 11:48:08 GMT
Currently due to health I don't drink but I think on that day I may just risk a half or two I might even indulge in a Belgium beer, Spanish Rioja, Italian Presecco and French Champagne just to show there's no hard feelings Now that's a great idea cracking Belgian bar in Norwich only selling Belgian beer might have to give a try on the great day |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 22, 2017 12:26:35 GMT
Not sure we should start a stand alone Budget thread but word on the street is that the remainder of the Libor fines might be dished out to war veterans.
About £4.5M. Nice touch if true.
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Post by Northy on Nov 22, 2017 13:19:23 GMT
hows the budget going to shape up then?
£10bn capital for the nhs and £1bn in recruitment
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 22, 2017 14:04:55 GMT
National Living Wage up 4.4%.
£28M for three Housing First schemes for the Homeless in West Mids, Manchester and Liverpool. I wonder if S-o-T will get any of that??
Zero stamp duty for first time buyers on properties up to 300K. 500K in London.
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Post by localloser on Nov 22, 2017 14:28:46 GMT
He refused to find just £10 million for a children's funeral fund link
Bastard |
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Post by Northy on Nov 22, 2017 15:02:28 GMT
He refused to find just £10 million for a children's funeral fund link
Bastard your link is a link to this page |
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Post by localloser on Nov 22, 2017 15:08:52 GMT
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