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Post by santy on Nov 22, 2017 15:40:43 GMT
I've always wanted to know what Labour voters thought that a Labour government would have done if they'd have remained in power in 2010. They don't realise that any government would have had to borrow huge amounts. Labour can't play the 'you need to spend to invest in the economy' card again because when they tried that between 2001-2007 they increased both the debt and deficit. Saying that, this government is shit but they're miles better than the alternative which is worrying. The whole current model, whether right or wrong, is built upon the foundation of spending to invest. Right now we live in a country in which the government finances the infrastructure, it takes on the debt, and then enables private businesses to profit from this infrastructure in the hopes that the associated tax returns from this are greater than the initial investment in the long term. Remember, government financing isn't a 5 or 6 year project, its a 50-60 year project. There are a lot of questions you can ask if its right, but that's the whole underlying model we have at the moment. The government has to invest if it wants to increase revenues, because it's not willing to take on the burden of running them and making the revenue directly itself. All we have right now is cutting the support structures, the vehicles to greater investment both previous Tory and Labour governments have built in to get short term gains... well not even gains. Short term savings. There won't ever be a fixed cost we can attribute to what it will take one day to get back to the level we had a couple years back, nor will there be a figure of how much its cost us having given it up but there's definitely no upsides to it. |
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Post by mattador78 on Nov 22, 2017 15:43:58 GMT
Can we change the title to all governments are shambles ?
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 22, 2017 16:19:38 GMT
Broadly a good budget but as usual you've got to wait for the details
What was laughable was comrade. Jezzas reply absolutely nothing to say other than his fixation with trying to start a class war
Even had to resort to cheap political shots over grennfall
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 22, 2017 16:37:39 GMT
Another piss poor budget and the traditional spectacular own goal from Hammond regarding stamp duty.
Of course if you already own a house or several houses it's been a wonderful day for you as he ratchets up demand for houses as supply continues to trail behind. Just watch those prices rise.
That's another O'Level Economics test he's flunked again.
The rest of it just piss, wind and misdirection.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Nov 22, 2017 16:38:18 GMT
The stamp duty threshold should have been increased to £200k for all as opposed to £300k for FTB. My missus for example is a FTB but because she's buying with me and I'm not a FTB she's gets fuck all benefit from the changes.
Headline grabbing policy change that will affect few and piss of a lot of people.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 22, 2017 18:42:03 GMT
The stamp duty threshold should have been increased to £200k for all as opposed to £300k for FTB. My missus for example is a FTB but because she's buying with me and I'm not a FTB she's gets fuck all benefit from the changes. Headline grabbing policy change that will affect few and piss of a lot of people. I hear you about the 200K but technically your mortgage application is a joint application and not a FTB. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 22, 2017 18:45:27 GMT
Another piss poor budget and the traditional spectacular own goal from Hammond regarding stamp duty. Of course if you already own a house or several houses it's been a wonderful day for you as he ratchets up demand for houses as supply continues to trail behind. Just watch those prices rise. That's another O'Level Economics test he's flunked again. The rest of it just piss, wind and misdirection. So what do you reckon then Mo? He should have revised those stamp duty thresholds down?? Kicking in a 50K or zero? Keep those prices down. |
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 22, 2017 20:22:38 GMT
UK growth forecast cut by Hammond sign yet again that the conservatives have failed and continued to fail on the economy
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 22, 2017 20:28:48 GMT
Wonder in the small print how much he has diverted to Ireland to pay off his dup paymasters
lets also see what he tries to sneak in in the unmentioned part of the budget like he has in the past
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Post by Northy on Nov 22, 2017 20:36:13 GMT
UK growth forecast cut by Hammond sign yet again that the conservatives have failed and continued to fail on the economy it wasnt him, he was reading figures from the IFS you are so blinkered at times |
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Post by Northy on Nov 22, 2017 20:37:25 GMT
Wonder in the small print how much he has diverted to Ireland to pay off his dup paymasters lets also see what he tries to sneak in in the unmentioned part of the budget like he has in the past when he read out the figures going to scotland, wales and NI, NI were by far the lowest |
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 22, 2017 20:37:39 GMT
It's a complete load of rubbish no party will ever solve the housing crisis
It's in nither parties intrest to solve the problem you would have to increase supply by levels not seen since the fifties
Then you get to the problem if you dramatically increase supply you dramatically reduce price
Who is going to vote for a party that has just removed many thousands from your retirement pot
If a party ever truly succeeded in the supply of housing they would spend a lifetime in opposition for there thanks
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Post by localloser on Nov 22, 2017 22:41:26 GMT
I didn't see any attempt to do anything about the social care crisis
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 22, 2017 22:50:52 GMT
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Post by Northy on Nov 23, 2017 7:57:49 GMT
They needed a report to think that, the thick twats should just ask any normal person walking the streets |
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Post by Northy on Nov 23, 2017 8:01:28 GMT
It's a complete load of rubbish no party will ever solve the housing crisis It's in nither parties intrest to solve the problem you would have to increase supply by levels not seen since the fifties Then you get to the problem if you dramatically increase supply you dramatically reduce price Who is going to vote for a party that has just removed many thousands from your retirement pot If a party ever truly succeeded in the supply of housing they would spend a lifetime in opposition for there thanks A lot of younger people and lower paid workers would vote for the party that does solve it, it's in their interest to get a foot on the housing ladder or lower rents. Full rates on empty properties were 1 good item yesterday. All the houses being built in the near future should be targetted for key workers, lower paid families etc. in the social housing sector and in the right places, it's no use building 1000's of houses in Bradford and Newcastle etc. where current social housing can't be filled. We need to get out of being London focused, spread the departments around the country, like the tax is at telford |
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 23, 2017 11:32:34 GMT
It's a complete load of rubbish no party will ever solve the housing crisis It's in nither parties intrest to solve the problem you would have to increase supply by levels not seen since the fifties Then you get to the problem if you dramatically increase supply you dramatically reduce price Who is going to vote for a party that has just removed many thousands from your retirement pot If a party ever truly succeeded in the supply of housing they would spend a lifetime in opposition for there thanks A lot of younger people and lower paid workers would vote for the party that does solve it, it's in their interest to get a foot on the housing ladder or lower rents. Full rates on empty properties were 1 good item yesterday. All the houses being built in the near future should be targetted for key workers, lower paid families etc. in the social housing sector and in the right places, it's no use building 1000's of houses in Bradford and Newcastle etc. where current social housing can't be filled. We need to get out of being London focused, spread the departments around the country, like the tax is at telford I totally agree with what you say in a ideal world it would work but a political party that puts millions into negative equity is never going too get re elected |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2017 13:44:53 GMT
I’m pretty certain This government has now fucked any chances of winning the next general election ..... after listening to the lies and crap coming from them after yesterday’s budget
Who the fuck do they think they’re kidding? Apart from themselves.
They’ve totally lost any sense of reality
This country will die under labour and it’s the conservatives fault
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 23, 2017 14:03:11 GMT
I’m pretty certain This government has now fucked any chances of winning the next general election ..... after listening to the lies and crap coming from them after yesterday’s budget Who the fuck do they think they’re kidding? Apart from themselves. They’ve totally lost any sense of reality This country will die under labour and it’s the conservatives fault I'm not sure they have but at least hopefully we will be out of the Eu |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 23, 2017 14:14:50 GMT
I’m pretty certain This government has now fucked any chances of winning the next general election ..... after listening to the lies and crap coming from them after yesterday’s budget Who the fuck do they think they’re kidding? Apart from themselves. They’ve totally lost any sense of reality This country will die under labour and it’s the conservatives fault And Brexit will be kicked into the long grass; the idea all along. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 23, 2017 15:57:12 GMT
Another piss poor budget and the traditional spectacular own goal from Hammond regarding stamp duty. Of course if you already own a house or several houses it's been a wonderful day for you as he ratchets up demand for houses as supply continues to trail behind. Just watch those prices rise. That's another O'Level Economics test he's flunked again. The rest of it just piss, wind and misdirection. An extra 45bn of borrowing to pay for the giveaways - where's all the rightwing indignation about that when previously borrowing at a time of high debt and deficit was "insanity"? Why will we still have a deficit which was supposed to have gone by 2015 for at least until 2023? Why is growth dropping to just over 1% when the Eurozone is growing strongly? Hammond's plan is basically to kick start economic growth by creating another housing bubble, unbelievable in its desperation. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 23, 2017 15:59:01 GMT
I’m pretty certain This government has now fucked any chances of winning the next general election ..... after listening to the lies and crap coming from them after yesterday’s budget Who the fuck do they think they’re kidding? Apart from themselves. They’ve totally lost any sense of reality This country will die under labour and it’s the conservatives fault I'm not sure they have but at least hopefully we will be out of the Eu Yeah, cos that's really going to help isn't it. Jesus Christ  Never fear I'm sure you two will still be voting Tory! Try to remember who got us into all this mess. The Tories. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 23, 2017 16:03:39 GMT
It's a complete load of rubbish no party will ever solve the housing crisis It's in nither parties intrest to solve the problem you would have to increase supply by levels not seen since the fifties Then you get to the problem if you dramatically increase supply you dramatically reduce price Who is going to vote for a party that has just removed many thousands from your retirement pot If a party ever truly succeeded in the supply of housing they would spend a lifetime in opposition for there thanks A lot of younger people and lower paid workers would vote for the party that does solve it, it's in their interest to get a foot on the housing ladder or lower rents. Full rates on empty properties were 1 good item yesterday. All the houses being built in the near future should be targetted for key workers, lower paid families etc. in the social housing sector and in the right places, it's no use building 1000's of houses in Bradford and Newcastle etc. where current social housing can't be filled. We need to get out of being London focused, spread the departments around the country, like the tax is at telford And you'd be quite happy for your house in Northwich to be worth 25% less over the next five years or so and surrounded by cheap housing would you? It's a lovely ideal, but the hypocrisy is obvious. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 23, 2017 16:05:20 GMT
I’m pretty certain This government has now fucked any chances of winning the next general election ..... after listening to the lies and crap coming from them after yesterday’s budget Who the fuck do they think they’re kidding? Apart from themselves. They’ve totally lost any sense of reality This country will die under labour and it’s the conservatives fault And Brexit will be kicked into the long grass; the idea all along. I reckon an increasing number of you Brexiteers secretly long for this, so you can moan your bags off about being betrayed while secretly relieved that the economic and social ramifications of leaving never actually came to fruition. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 23, 2017 16:32:13 GMT
And Brexit will be kicked into the long grass; the idea all along. I reckon an increasing number of you Brexiteers secretly long for this, so you can moan your bags off about being betrayed while secretly relieved that the economic and social ramifications of leaving never actually came to fruition. On the contrary, I would like a democratic result to be honoured. It's patently obvious that there is a media campaign to scupper Brexit, even a neutral observer couldn't deny the bias that prevails. It's the real reason that Corbyn suddenly became almost electable despite being 20 points behind in the polls months before the election. Thornberry was practically crying on Question Time when the death of Labour was being discussed. What changed? Anyway, I am tired of talking to people like you and wasting my time. You'll doubtless come back with another smart arsed remark that I very much doubt you would say in person. I have no problem with anyone who voted Remain. There are decent posters on here, and friends of mine who did. It's just the "you voted out, you are racist and thick" posters like you that boil my piss. What is worse, your attitude is echoed by the BBC, Sky and ITV, who have stopped reporting news in an objective way, favouring sneering derision instead. Brexit will be marginalised until people begin to question themselves for daring to want sovereignty. The status quo must be maintained. The people who voted for it know why they did, and it wasn't because of what was written on a fucking bus. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 23, 2017 16:49:20 GMT
I reckon an increasing number of you Brexiteers secretly long for this, so you can moan your bags off about being betrayed while secretly relieved that the economic and social ramifications of leaving never actually came to fruition. On the contrary, I would like a democratic result to be honoured. It's patently obvious that there is a media campaign to scupper Brexit, even a neutral observer couldn't deny the bias that prevails. It's the real reason that Corbyn suddenly became almost electable despite being 20 points behind in the polls months before the election. Thornberry was practically crying on Question Time when the death of Labour was being discussed. What changed? Anyway, I am tired of talking to people like you and wasting my time. You'll doubtless come back with another smart arsed remark that I very much doubt you would say in person. I have no problem with anyone who voted Remain. There are decent posters on here, and friends of mine who did. It's just the "you voted out, you are racist and thick" posters like you that boil my piss. What is worse, your attitude is echoed by the BBC, Sky and ITV, who have stopped reporting news in an objective way, favouring sneering derision instead. Brexit will be marginalised until people begin to question themselves for daring to want sovereignty. The status quo must be maintained. The people who voted for it know why they did, and it wasn't because of what was written on a fucking bus. Ooooh dear, that rather fraught response does rather suggest I hit the nail on the head there. And why would I not say it in person? Would you get violent? I don't think I've ever said "you voted out, you are racist and thick" but don't let facts worry you, they obviously didn't so far  However, you can't deny that most if not all racists will have voted out and evidence shows that the lower the educational attainment the more likely you voted out! I have to say it's nearly always the diehard Brexiteers who get very nasty and I'm sure it's defensiveness over how it's going and the fear of what they might be tarred with for the rest of their lives. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 23, 2017 16:51:16 GMT
On the contrary, I would like a democratic result to be honoured. It's patently obvious that there is a media campaign to scupper Brexit, even a neutral observer couldn't deny the bias that prevails. It's the real reason that Corbyn suddenly became almost electable despite being 20 points behind in the polls months before the election. Thornberry was practically crying on Question Time when the death of Labour was being discussed. What changed? Anyway, I am tired of talking to people like you and wasting my time. You'll doubtless come back with another smart arsed remark that I very much doubt you would say in person. I have no problem with anyone who voted Remain. There are decent posters on here, and friends of mine who did. It's just the "you voted out, you are racist and thick" posters like you that boil my piss. What is worse, your attitude is echoed by the BBC, Sky and ITV, who have stopped reporting news in an objective way, favouring sneering derision instead. Brexit will be marginalised until people begin to question themselves for daring to want sovereignty. The status quo must be maintained. The people who voted for it know why they did, and it wasn't because of what was written on a fucking bus. Ooooh dear, that rather fraught response does rather suggest I hit the nail on the head there. And why would I not say it in person? Would you get violent? I don't think I've ever said "you voted out, you are racist and thick" but don't let facts worry you, they obviously didn't so far However, you can't deny that most if not all racists will have voted out and evidence shows that the lower the educational attainment the more likely you voted out! I have to say it's nearly always the diehard Brexiteers who get very nasty and I'm sure it's defensiveness over how it's going and the fear of what they might be tarred with for the rest of their lives. Was Tony Benn a thick racist? |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 23, 2017 16:57:14 GMT
Ooooh dear, that rather fraught response does rather suggest I hit the nail on the head there. And why would I not say it in person? Would you get violent? I don't think I've ever said "you voted out, you are racist and thick" but don't let facts worry you, they obviously didn't so far However, you can't deny that most if not all racists will have voted out and evidence shows that the lower the educational attainment the more likely you voted out! I have to say it's nearly always the diehard Brexiteers who get very nasty and I'm sure it's defensiveness over how it's going and the fear of what they might be tarred with for the rest of their lives. Was Tony Benn a thick racist? Do the views/attainments of just one person outweigh the views/attainments of millions, in your eyes? |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 23, 2017 17:03:01 GMT
Was Tony Benn a thick racist? Do the views/attainments of just one person outweigh the views/attainments of millions, in your eyes? Have I said that? So it's perfectly possible to be non racist and intelligent and want to be out of the EU, then? |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 23, 2017 17:29:15 GMT
Do the views/attainments of just one person outweigh the views/attainments of millions, in your eyes? Have I said that? So it's perfectly possible to be non racist and intelligent and want to be out of the EU, then? Yes of course. Unfortunately, most racists will have voted Leave (or by definition they're not racists!) and the lower your educational ability the more likely you were to vote Leave. Those are facts that all Leave voters have to put up with, probably one of the reasons, in fact you did say this previously, that makes Leave voters piss boil. They just don't like being lumped in with those groups. |
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