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Post by 828492 on Oct 16, 2023 19:35:23 GMT
For 10 years ‘Boner’ Bonehead has been under investigation but there has been no reporting. I expect that relations with Mrs Bone are a bit frosty this weekend.
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 16, 2023 19:47:59 GMT
But the worst one charged and on police bail has been re selected by the Tories to fight the next election
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 16, 2023 22:02:52 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 16, 2023 23:07:58 GMT
Disgusting pair of fuckwits who demonstrate their complete contempt for the poor souls in Israel/Gaza.
Sickening lack of respect ...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 17, 2023 6:48:09 GMT
Keep an eye on this guy's work, he's doing a great job.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 17, 2023 11:33:04 GMT
For 10 years ‘Boner’ Bonehead has been under investigation but there has been no reporting. I expect that relations with Mrs Bone are a bit frosty this weekend. Of course Bone has spent the last couple of years arguing Johnson did nothing wrong, so it is understandable that he thinks he is innocent himself. An appalling individual who seems to think the new prison in Wellingborough is hospital. Hopefully a recall petition will see him consigned onto the scrapheap.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2023 12:11:55 GMT
Keep an eye on this guy's work, he's doing a great job. Did they then have a recall and make enough PPE to meet the demands of the original contract?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 17, 2023 15:35:28 GMT
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Post by tuum on Oct 17, 2023 17:03:30 GMT
He has got a point, although perhaps poorly communicated. If I was struggling to feed my kids and yet I was paying $60 a month for a Sky TV package and a phone contract then I might want to have another think about my priorities. I had the same thing last month. Friend of my wife wants to borrow money to help with cash flow of her husbands business. She has done this before and pays us back but the requests are getting bigger. I asked my wife if the husband had quit drinking and smoking? She said no. So, they are not getting what they asked for. The husband needs to do his bit to improve their cash flow before we start increasing our support. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see them on the street so we have given them a few bob but the husband needs to play ball as well.
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Post by gawa on Oct 17, 2023 17:42:47 GMT
He has got a point, although perhaps poorly communicated. If I was struggling to feed my kids and yet I was paying $60 a month for a Sky TV package and a phone contract then I might want to have another think about my priorities. I had the same thing last month. Friend of my wife wants to borrow money to help with cash flow of her husbands business. She has done this before and pays us back but the requests are getting bigger. I asked my wife if the husband had quit drinking and smoking? She said no. So, they are not getting what they asked for. The husband needs to do his bit to improve their cash flow before we start increasing our support. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see them on the street so we have given them a few bob but the husband needs to play ball as well. The problem is in his graph if you don't pay for nails, don't pay for sky, dont pay for a phone contract, don't pay for cigarettes or alcohol but you find yourself unemployed you can "fuck off". How do you explain that to your starving kid? Sorry there's no food on the table tonight, the government think you should fuck off.
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Post by tuum on Oct 17, 2023 19:16:04 GMT
He has got a point, although perhaps poorly communicated. If I was struggling to feed my kids and yet I was paying $60 a month for a Sky TV package and a phone contract then I might want to have another think about my priorities. I had the same thing last month. Friend of my wife wants to borrow money to help with cash flow of her husbands business. She has done this before and pays us back but the requests are getting bigger. I asked my wife if the husband had quit drinking and smoking? She said no. So, they are not getting what they asked for. The husband needs to do his bit to improve their cash flow before we start increasing our support. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see them on the street so we have given them a few bob but the husband needs to play ball as well. The problem is in his graph if you don't pay for nails, don't pay for sky, dont pay for a phone contract, don't pay for cigarettes or alcohol but you find yourself unemployed you can "fuck off". How do you explain that to your starving kid? Sorry there's no food on the table tonight, the government think you should fuck off. I dont. That's why I confined my response to a very narrow part of that graph. I agree with you. If you have cut down your non-essential spending but are unemployed I think the Govt should be very supportive. They should be supportive anyway for anyone who is unemployed. Being unemployed is normally not a choice and is not the same as wasting money on beer and fags when you can't feed your kids. I am not condoning the guy and as a potential elected official he demonstrates a shocking lack of empathy but I think the wider point he is making is that individuals also have to help themselves as much as they possibly can. Would I vote for him? No, because I don't think he is emotionally mature enough. I dont like politicians using overly aggressive, emotional, rhetoric. It very rarely achieves anything positive.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 18, 2023 6:12:49 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 18, 2023 6:39:27 GMT
The problem is in his graph if you don't pay for nails, don't pay for sky, dont pay for a phone contract, don't pay for cigarettes or alcohol but you find yourself unemployed you can "fuck off". How do you explain that to your starving kid? Sorry there's no food on the table tonight, the government think you should fuck off. I dont. That's why I confined my response to a very narrow part of that graph. I agree with you. If you have cut down your non-essential spending but are unemployed I think the Govt should be very supportive. They should be supportive anyway for anyone who is unemployed. Being unemployed is normally not a choice and is not the same as wasting money on beer and fags when you can't feed your kids. I am not condoning the guy and as a potential elected official he demonstrates a shocking lack of empathy but I think the wider point he is making is that individuals also have to help themselves as much as they possibly can. Would I vote for him? No, because I don't think he is emotionally mature enough. I dont like politicians using overly aggressive, emotional, rhetoric. It very rarely achieves anything positive. Spot on. I don’t think anyone begrudges supporting those that are struggling but I think most people would expect luxury items to be forfeited like Sky etc or the sympathy begins to wane. It’s all about living within your means and making sacrifices to do so rather than feeling entitled to live the same lifestyle as when you were working. A bit like when you see the frequently published stories around mums and their 7 kids complaining about only having a 2 bedroom house to live in (supplied by the council) and it not being big enough. In almost all cases they’ve made the choice to have that many children with no plan of giving the life they deserve other than expecting the public to pick up the tab. In relation to the MP he’s clearly an idiot who if he’s made that comment / written that note isn’t mature or sensitive enough for the role he holds if that’s how he thinks you should communicate. Let’s hope he never finds himself in that situation as there are plenty of genuine and deserving cases.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 18, 2023 6:41:38 GMT
Let's get angry about Sky - Mobile phones too many kids...blah blah blah. Demonising these people is abhorrent. FFS the real problem is sitting in Whitehall.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 18, 2023 7:08:18 GMT
Let's get angry about Sky - Mobile phones too many kids...blah blah blah. Demonising these people is abhorrent. FFS the real problem is sitting in Whitehall. It’s a moot and well worded point that was initially made by Tuum which I fully agree with as I’ve posted. I get your hate for the Tory party (I’m no fan either) but there are plenty of sub points that can be discussed as it’s an open forum. So you’re happy to pay for people who are abusing the system? You don’t think it’s relevant because it’s not Tory bashing? What’s wrong with having an issue over paying for people who are taking the piss out of the system both by claiming because they feel entitled (and tax evasion). I’m a working man who doesn’t earn a fortune so why can’t I have an issue over where my taxes go? Yes it does get my goat when people choose not to work (not unable to through circumstances) and expect the working man to pick up the tab. It’s lucky not everyone has the same attitude or nothing would get done and the country would grind to a halt. Oh and I’m entitled to get angry 😡
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 18, 2023 7:24:28 GMT
Let's get angry about Sky - Mobile phones too many kids...blah blah blah. Demonising these people is abhorrent. FFS the real problem is sitting in Whitehall. It’s a moot and well worded point that was initially made by Tuum which I fully agree with as I’ve posted. I get your hate for the Tory party (I’m no fan either) but there are plenty of sub points that can be discussed as it’s an open forum. So you’re happy to pay for people who are abusing the system? You don’t think it’s relevant because it’s not Tory bashing? What’s wrong with having an issue over paying for people who are taking the piss out of the system both by claiming because they feel entitled (and tax evasion). I’m a working man who doesn’t earn a fortune so why can’t I have an issue over where my taxes go? Yes it does get my goat when people choose not to work (not unable to through circumstances) and expect the working man to pick up the tab. It’s lucky not everyone has the same attitude or nothing would get done and the country would grind to a halt. Oh and I’m entitled to get angry 😡 While you make a valid point at getting angry, your anger is misdirected. For example I never hear you calling out the Billions in revenue lost to tax evasion by the super rich. But hey, whatever floats you boat mate.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 18, 2023 7:33:13 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 18, 2023 7:41:49 GMT
It’s a moot and well worded point that was initially made by Tuum which I fully agree with as I’ve posted. I get your hate for the Tory party (I’m no fan either) but there are plenty of sub points that can be discussed as it’s an open forum. So you’re happy to pay for people who are abusing the system? You don’t think it’s relevant because it’s not Tory bashing? What’s wrong with having an issue over paying for people who are taking the piss out of the system both by claiming because they feel entitled (and tax evasion). I’m a working man who doesn’t earn a fortune so why can’t I have an issue over where my taxes go? Yes it does get my goat when people choose not to work (not unable to through circumstances) and expect the working man to pick up the tab. It’s lucky not everyone has the same attitude or nothing would get done and the country would grind to a halt. Oh and I’m entitled to get angry 😡 While you make a valid point at getting angry, your anger is misdirected. For example I never hear you calling out the Billions in revenue lost to tax evasion by the super rich. But hey, whatever floats you boat mate. I guess that’s because the issue I posted about is more visible and something that I see regularly. I’m aware of tax evasion and I did bracket it in my post however it’s more hidden and goes very much more unnoticed in my world hence why I don’t buy into it as much with posts. If I’m honest it’s not even about the tax it’s more about my frustrations re people who can’t be bothered to work. I’ve worked for 36 years and on occasions in jobs I’ve not liked. What grinds my gears is people that choose not to work and expect people like me and you to pay for them. I don’t think it’s such a sin to get frustrated about that. I’m very sympathetic to those who can’t work through ill health or circumstances and they deserve every penny they get but there’s plenty who openly abuse the system. Then you end up with this redirect.viglink.com/?key=01868f92fbfbe96767e14b485522ccc4&subId=800541&u=https%3A//www.facebook.com/reel/604614074950936%3Ffs%3De%26s%3DTIeQ9V
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 18, 2023 7:44:19 GMT
Let's get angry about Sky - Mobile phones too many kids...blah blah blah. Demonising these people is abhorrent. FFS the real problem is sitting in Whitehall. It’s a moot and well worded point that was initially made by Tuum which I fully agree with as I’ve posted. I get your hate for the Tory party (I’m no fan either) but there are plenty of sub points that can be discussed as it’s an open forum. So you’re happy to pay for people who are abusing the system? You don’t think it’s relevant because it’s not Tory bashing? What’s wrong with having an issue over paying for people who are taking the piss out of the system both by claiming because they feel entitled (and tax evasion). I’m a working man who doesn’t earn a fortune so why can’t I have an issue over where my taxes go? Yes it does get my goat when people choose not to work (not unable to through circumstances) and expect the working man to pick up the tab. It’s lucky not everyone has the same attitude or nothing would get done and the country would grind to a halt. Oh and I’m entitled to get angry 😡 Benefits paid to people who could be working. Clamping down will raise probably about the same amount of revenue as closing a loophole or two for the super rich. And clamping down on benefits will cost a great deal more to implement and enforce.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 18, 2023 7:54:15 GMT
While you make a valid point at getting angry, your anger is misdirected. For example I never hear you calling out the Billions in revenue lost to tax evasion by the super rich. But hey, whatever floats you boat mate. I guess that’s because the issue I posted about is more visible and something that I see regularly. I’m aware of tax evasion and I did bracket it in my post however it’s more hidden and goes very much more unnoticed in my world hence why I don’t buy into it as much with posts. If I’m honest it’s not even about the tax it’s more about my frustrations re people who can’t be bothered to work. I’ve worked for 36 years and on occasions in jobs I’ve not liked. What grinds my gears is people that choose not to work and expect people like me and you to pay for them. I don’t think it’s such a sin to get frustrated about that. I’m very sympathetic to those who can’t work through ill health or circumstances and they deserve every penny they get but there’s plenty who openly abuse the system. Then you end up with this redirect.viglink.com/?key=01868f92fbfbe96767e14b485522ccc4&subId=800541&u=https%3A//www.facebook.com/reel/604614074950936%3Ffs%3De%26s%3DTIeQ9VFair enough but I'm still of the opionion that you're directing your anger at the wrong people.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 18, 2023 8:01:07 GMT
It’s a moot and well worded point that was initially made by Tuum which I fully agree with as I’ve posted. I get your hate for the Tory party (I’m no fan either) but there are plenty of sub points that can be discussed as it’s an open forum. So you’re happy to pay for people who are abusing the system? You don’t think it’s relevant because it’s not Tory bashing? What’s wrong with having an issue over paying for people who are taking the piss out of the system both by claiming because they feel entitled (and tax evasion). I’m a working man who doesn’t earn a fortune so why can’t I have an issue over where my taxes go? Yes it does get my goat when people choose not to work (not unable to through circumstances) and expect the working man to pick up the tab. It’s lucky not everyone has the same attitude or nothing would get done and the country would grind to a halt. Oh and I’m entitled to get angry 😡 Benefits paid to people who could be working. Clamping down will raise probably about the same amount of revenue as closing a loophole or two for the super rich. And clamping down on benefits will cost a great deal more to implement and enforce. Is it all about the money though? Shouldn’t it also be about getting people who can work to work?
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 18, 2023 8:07:01 GMT
Benefits paid to people who could be working. Clamping down will raise probably about the same amount of revenue as closing a loophole or two for the super rich. And clamping down on benefits will cost a great deal more to implement and enforce. Is it all about the money though? Shouldn’t it also be about getting people who can work to work? Yes. Absolutely. But that is a lower priority for me than, for example, recovering billions in fraud from covid, or ensuring rich people pay as much tax than not rich people. My average tax rate was higher than Rishi Sunak’s in the 21/22 tax year. That is plainly unfair and shows that the system is completely wrong.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 18, 2023 8:11:25 GMT
I dont. That's why I confined my response to a very narrow part of that graph. I agree with you. If you have cut down your non-essential spending but are unemployed I think the Govt should be very supportive. They should be supportive anyway for anyone who is unemployed. Being unemployed is normally not a choice and is not the same as wasting money on beer and fags when you can't feed your kids. I am not condoning the guy and as a potential elected official he demonstrates a shocking lack of empathy but I think the wider point he is making is that individuals also have to help themselves as much as they possibly can. Would I vote for him? No, because I don't think he is emotionally mature enough. I dont like politicians using overly aggressive, emotional, rhetoric. It very rarely achieves anything positive. Spot on. I don’t think anyone begrudges supporting those that are struggling but I think most people would expect luxury items to be forfeited like Sky etc or the sympathy begins to wane. It’s all about living within your means and making sacrifices to do so rather than feeling entitled to live the same lifestyle as when you were working. A bit like when you see the frequently published stories around mums and their 7 kids complaining about only having a 2 bedroom house to live in (supplied by the council) and it not being big enough. In almost all cases they’ve made the choice to have that many children with no plan of giving the life they deserve other than expecting the public to pick up the tab. In relation to the MP he’s clearly an idiot who if he’s made that comment / written that note isn’t mature or sensitive enough for the role he holds if that’s how he thinks you should communicate. Let’s hope he never finds himself in that situation as there are plenty of genuine and deserving cases. Simply put the prospective (idiot) MP very crudely describes the concept of taking personal responsibility. It's a fair idea but incredibly poorly translated. Having spent 20 odd years working around social housing it's a crucial message that isn't being taught to generations as they grow up.
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 18, 2023 8:17:11 GMT
Let’s remember…20% of children in Tamworth are classed as living in poverty. That is a sign of failure by government. But the fact that 2/3rds of those children have working parents is a sign of catastrophic governance by our government.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 18, 2023 8:32:12 GMT
Benefits paid to people who could be working. Clamping down will raise probably about the same amount of revenue as closing a loophole or two for the super rich. And clamping down on benefits will cost a great deal more to implement and enforce. Is it all about the money though? Shouldn’t it also be about getting people who can work to work? The almost overwhelming majority that can, now do. Genuinely unsure what point you're trying to make.
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Post by gawa on Oct 18, 2023 8:40:48 GMT
Cobham makes a fair point in my opinion. There are some families which do take the piss.
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Post by 4372 on Oct 18, 2023 8:41:35 GMT
This potential MP is seemingly illiterate. Yor kids and no Question Marks. All is indeed lost if this is an acceptable standard of education.
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Post by henry on Oct 18, 2023 8:42:02 GMT
It’s a moot and well worded point that was initially made by Tuum which I fully agree with as I’ve posted. I get your hate for the Tory party (I’m no fan either) but there are plenty of sub points that can be discussed as it’s an open forum. So you’re happy to pay for people who are abusing the system? You don’t think it’s relevant because it’s not Tory bashing? What’s wrong with having an issue over paying for people who are taking the piss out of the system both by claiming because they feel entitled (and tax evasion). I’m a working man who doesn’t earn a fortune so why can’t I have an issue over where my taxes go? Yes it does get my goat when people choose not to work (not unable to through circumstances) and expect the working man to pick up the tab. It’s lucky not everyone has the same attitude or nothing would get done and the country would grind to a halt. Oh and I’m entitled to get angry 😡 While you make a valid point at getting angry, your anger is misdirected. For example I never hear you calling out the Billions in revenue lost to tax evasion by the super rich. But hey, whatever floats you boat mate. So because of lost revenue it’s ok for workshy scroungers to get a free ride. People who’ve worked 50 years basically get the same state income as lazy arsed non workers.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 18, 2023 8:44:10 GMT
While you make a valid point at getting angry, your anger is misdirected. For example I never hear you calling out the Billions in revenue lost to tax evasion by the super rich. But hey, whatever floats you boat mate. So because of lost revenue it’s ok for workshy scroungers to get a free ride. People who’ve worked 50 years basically get the same state income as lazy arsed non workers. Talk me through this "free ride" you claim this tiny minority of people are getting.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Oct 18, 2023 8:44:54 GMT
Let's get angry about Sky - Mobile phones too many kids...blah blah blah. Demonising these people is abhorrent. FFS the real problem is sitting in Whitehall. Very true - it's just classic deflection yet again. We are a 1st world nation - our citizens SHOULD be able to access Sky / have mobile phones / get their fucking nails done and hair cut!!! I accept completely that a minority of our population has their priorities wrong, and there are cases where people need to take personal responsibility, but it is the government who has created the abject poverty that we are seeing, the number of kids sleeping on floors, the rise of foodbanks, the rise in employed people being unable to afford to pay bills above and beyond the basics for survival. It is our government that has created this situation, whilst privately profiteering for themselves and their mates, they have screwed the 'have nots' into the ground and made our living standards the worst they have been for decades. A 1st world country...
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