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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 12, 2023 18:06:38 GMT
What if they can’t work? What if they are already working two jobs? Hardly work-shy. Most people classed as poor have a job. But underemployment is a massive issue with the huge increase in zero hours contracts. Cutting benefits doesn’t help disabled people or carers of disabled or chronically ill people. Youth, start reading what people actually write ffs. He clearly said work shy. Those that can't work obviously don't fit into that category. 🤡 Thanks for calling me a youth. Sadly I wouldn’t consider myself that young but always nice to be complimented, so thank you. Most people on benefits are working, or are carers, or are disabled or sick in some way. Very few choose it because it doesn’t give you much. 1% wealth tax on the super rich would raise many times more than cutting benefits and would be far better for society. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 12, 2023 18:08:58 GMT
If thats the case then benefits should be slashed to get the UK's workshy out working. It isn't the case mate. Figures and statistics can and are easily manipulated to find the 'results' that those collecting the data want them to show. Oggy posted a link fron the economist because he thinks that by doing so he's proving a point, he THINKS he's be clever but he's not proving a point and he's not clever. The economist is a self proclaimed 'socially liberal' newspaper which means they are leftys. I wouldn't expect the economist to print anything that goes against their ONE WORLD ideology. If you want real facts and real data the best thing to do is to get your information from a mix of different sources and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle but most of all follow your own logic and reasoning. Edit. But yea I agree benefits of the workshy should be cut to get them back working 100%. You are yet to post any evidence that migrants contribute less than brits though. 3 different articles one being a meta study show you are wrong. Really conclusive evidence. Plus logically what I have said is true. Facts beat opinions. The facts are clear. You can choose to ignore them but doesn’t mean the facts are not facts. |
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Post by henry on Oct 12, 2023 18:10:34 GMT
Compare like for like then, migrant workforce V UK workforce. its a bollocks article, probably why no one dared to put their name against it. Which of the three articles are bollocks? The Economist, Full fact or the metastudy which refers to various other studies which all show the same results regardless of how you spin the numbers. They compare all migrants with all Brits so do compare like for like. The evidence is overwhelming. I know it is hard to be told that everything you are fed about immigrants in the Mail and Express is rubbish, but it is. Don't read the Mail or the Express. Seems to me the left leaning read them papers more than anyone as they always know whats in written in them. So all the migrant jobs, fruit picking, bar work, hotel work etc..... all pay more than the UK average £32k per year ? |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 12, 2023 18:16:31 GMT
It isn't the case mate. Figures and statistics can and are easily manipulated to find the 'results' that those collecting the data want them to show. Oggy posted a link fron the economist because he thinks that by doing so he's proving a point, he THINKS he's be clever but he's not proving a point and he's not clever. The economist is a self proclaimed 'socially liberal' newspaper which means they are leftys. I wouldn't expect the economist to print anything that goes against their ONE WORLD ideology. If you want real facts and real data the best thing to do is to get your information from a mix of different sources and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle but most of all follow your own logic and reasoning. Edit. But yea I agree benefits of the workshy should be cut to get them back working 100%. You are yet to post any evidence that migrants contribute less than brits though. 3 different articles one being a meta study show you are wrong. Really conclusive evidence. Plus logically what I have said is true. Facts beat opinions. The facts are clear. You can choose to ignore them but doesn’t mean the facts are not facts. You are yet to quote any evidence to the contrary. Your 'facts' aren't facts they're manipulated data from biased sources. It's the equivalent of me posting data from a company funded by Stormfront, I wouldn't expect you to accept that data and I don't accept yours, because like you, it's wrong. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 12, 2023 18:17:21 GMT
Which of the three articles are bollocks? The Economist, Full fact or the metastudy which refers to various other studies which all show the same results regardless of how you spin the numbers. They compare all migrants with all Brits so do compare like for like. The evidence is overwhelming. I know it is hard to be told that everything you are fed about immigrants in the Mail and Express is rubbish, but it is. Don't read the Mail or the Express. Seems to me the left leaning read them papers more than anyone as they always know whats in written in them. So all the migrant jobs, fruit picking, bar work, hotel work etc..... all pay more than the UK average £32k per year ? I doubt it. I work with migrants. They earn 6 figures as lawyers and accountants and bankers and economists etc. many don’t have kids. Their parents are back home. I earn 6 figures. But fruit pickers may well contribute more to the state than me if they have no kids and elderly family here compared with me and my family. Why? Let me tell you: I have 3 kids (expensive for the state for schools and health for example). One was in intensive care last year. Probably cost more than the tax I have paid for the past 10 years to treat him. My mum was disabled until she died and could not work (very, very expensive to the state), as a result my dad retired early as he had to be a carer and he is now fully retired and whilst he is thankfully healthy, old people tend to be more expensive to the state than a young, healthy childless fruit picker. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Oct 12, 2023 18:18:16 GMT
How does that work when they're in the hotels and not working ? They are all factored into the figures. I agree they shouldn’t be in hotels and should be able to work when their claim is being processed. Their claims should also be processed quickly. But the Home Secretary is at fault for those issues, not me. Dont confuse migrants with asylum seekers. 660k net migration last year (up from 300k pre the Brexit vote incidentally) - 92% of which are NOT asylum seekers but have come here perfectly legally in accordance with home office regulations in the vast majority of cases in order to work. The idea that all migrants are in hotels plotting terrorist attacks and grooming local schoolkids is propagandist bollocks. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 12, 2023 18:18:19 GMT
Which of the three articles are bollocks? The Economist, Full fact or the metastudy which refers to various other studies which all show the same results regardless of how you spin the numbers. They compare all migrants with all Brits so do compare like for like. The evidence is overwhelming. I know it is hard to be told that everything you are fed about immigrants in the Mail and Express is rubbish, but it is. Don't read the Mail or the Express. Seems to me the left leaning read them papers more than anyone as they always know whats in written in them. So all the migrant jobs, fruit picking, bar work, hotel work etc..... all pay more than the UK average £32k per year ? Whatever you do don't take any data from the Guardian as facts neither. They're the biggest liars of the lot. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 12, 2023 18:19:20 GMT
You are yet to post any evidence that migrants contribute less than brits though. 3 different articles one being a meta study show you are wrong. Really conclusive evidence. Plus logically what I have said is true. Facts beat opinions. The facts are clear. You can choose to ignore them but doesn’t mean the facts are not facts. You are yet to quote any evidence to the contrary. Your 'facts' aren't facts they're manipulated data from biased sources. It's the equivalent of me posting data from a company funded by Stormfront, I wouldn't expect you to accept that data and I don't accept yours, because like you, it's wrong. You haven’t posted any evidence whatsoever. I have posted 2 articles and someone else posted another. One article analyses 6 different economic studies which all support my position. You just don’t like the fact that migrants are essential for our country and net contributors. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 12, 2023 18:20:49 GMT
They are all factored into the figures. I agree they shouldn’t be in hotels and should be able to work when their claim is being processed. Their claims should also be processed quickly. But the Home Secretary is at fault for those issues, not me. Dont confuse migrants with asylum seekers. 660k net migration last year (up from 300k pre the Brexit vote incidentally) - 92% of which are NOT asylum seekers but have come here perfectly legally in accordance with home office regulations in the vast majority of cases in order to work. The idea that all migrants are in hotels plotting terrorist attacks and grooming local schoolkids is propagandist bollocks. Yes absolutely. Most asylum seekers are here legally. Very few are refused asylum. Then when the Home Sec eventually allows them to work, most thrive and contribute positively to society. That process should start much sooner. |
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Post by henry on Oct 12, 2023 18:21:29 GMT
Don't read the Mail or the Express. Seems to me the left leaning read them papers more than anyone as they always know whats in written in them. So all the migrant jobs, fruit picking, bar work, hotel work etc..... all pay more than the UK average £32k per year ? Whatever you do don't take any data from the Guardian as facts neither. They're the biggest liars of the lot. I don't read that shit rag either. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 12, 2023 18:22:19 GMT
You are yet to quote any evidence to the contrary. Your 'facts' aren't facts they're manipulated data from biased sources. It's the equivalent of me posting data from a company funded by Stormfront, I wouldn't expect you to accept that data and I don't accept yours, because like you, it's wrong. You haven’t posted any evidence whatsoever. I have posted 2 articles and someone else posted another. One article analyses 6 different economic studies which all support my position. You just don’t like the fact that migrants are essential for our country and net contributors. You haven't posted a single fact. Migrants take much more than they give in all aspects of life whether that be economically, socially or culturally. You just don't like them facts because it goes against your foreigner = good . Brits = bad narrative. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 12, 2023 18:28:37 GMT
You haven’t posted any evidence whatsoever. I have posted 2 articles and someone else posted another. One article analyses 6 different economic studies which all support my position. You just don’t like the fact that migrants are essential for our country and net contributors. You haven't posted a single fact. Migrants take much more than they give in all aspects of life whether that be economically, socially or culturally. You just don't like them facts because it goes against your foreigner = good . Brits = bad narrative. You just hate migrants with such a passion that you won’t hear anything positive about them. I never said Brits are bad foreigners are good. The biggest tax payer in the country last year is a migrant. Russian Alex Gerko paid £487.4m in tax. Does he not contribute? |
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Post by henry on Oct 12, 2023 18:33:22 GMT
You haven't posted a single fact. Migrants take much more than they give in all aspects of life whether that be economically, socially or culturally. You just don't like them facts because it goes against your foreigner = good . Brits = bad narrative. You just hate migrants with such a passion that you won’t hear anything positive about them. I never said Brits are bad foreigners are good. The biggest tax payer in the country last year is a migrant. Russian Alex Gerko paid £487.4m in tax. Does he not contribute? Good grief, that really backs up your argument. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 12, 2023 18:33:39 GMT
You haven't posted a single fact. Migrants take much more than they give in all aspects of life whether that be economically, socially or culturally. You just don't like them facts because it goes against your foreigner = good . Brits = bad narrative. You just hate migrants with such a passion that you won’t hear anything positive about them. I never said Brits are bad foreigners are good. The biggest tax payer in the country last year is a migrant. Russian Alex Gerko paid £487.4m in tax. Does he not contribute? I never said I hate migrants. You just hate this country so much you can't have anything good said about its people. Ye Alex Gerko counts. I didn't realise all migrants were Alex Gerko though. |
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Post by lordb on Oct 12, 2023 18:36:47 GMT
You just hate migrants with such a passion that you won’t hear anything positive about them. I never said Brits are bad foreigners are good. The biggest tax payer in the country last year is a migrant. Russian Alex Gerko paid £487.4m in tax. Does he not contribute? I never said I hate migrants. You just hate this country so much you can't have anything good said about its people. Ye Alex Gerko counts. I didn't realise all migrants were Alex Gerko though. Your the one who doesn't believe in this country, in the strength of its culture If you did you wouldn't routinely give away your blatant racist islamaphobic attitudes Fancy being scared of immigrants, pathetic |
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Post by knype on Oct 12, 2023 18:38:08 GMT
I never said I hate migrants. You just hate this country so much you can't have anything good said about its people. Ye Alex Gerko counts. I didn't realise all migrants were Alex Gerko though. Your the one who doesn't believe in this country, in the strength of its culture If you did you wouldn't routinely give away your blatant racist islamaphobic attitudes Fancy being scared of immigrants, pathetic Wow |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 12, 2023 18:39:28 GMT
I never said I hate migrants. You just hate this country so much you can't have anything good said about its people. Ye Alex Gerko counts. I didn't realise all migrants were Alex Gerko though. Your the one who doesn't believe in this country, in the strength of its culture If you did you wouldn't routinely give away your blatant racist islamaphobic attitudes Fancy being scared of immigrants, pathetic No ones more racist than your lot mate. I've already said I like Islam so how can I be islamophobic and wh.....oh fuck it I cba 😂 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 12, 2023 18:41:19 GMT
All I know is migrants in the main have turned my once friendly local area into a drug peddling, knife wielding den of iniquity.
Unfortunately I can’t show any statistics for this but I do have a pair of eyes and they function well enough to see what’s going on.
Of course it can’t all be blamed on them but the timing kind of goes hand in hand with the massive rise in crime.
I’ll let you lot argue all day long about the benefits of migrants, which I agree, there are many. Such as the points Oggy makes but when all said and done I can 100% confidently say that migrants have had a huge negative impact on my life in the last 5 years or so.
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 12, 2023 18:43:03 GMT
All I know is migrants in the main have turned my once friendly local area into a drug peddling, knife wielding den of iniquity. Unfortunately I can’t show any statistics for this but I do have a pair of eyes and they function well enough to see what’s going on. Of course it can’t all be blamed on them but the timing kind of goes hand in hand with the massive rise in crime. I’ll let you lot argue all day long about the benefits of migrants, which I agree, there are many. Such as the points Oggy makes but when all said and done I can 100% confidently say that migrants have had a huge negative impact on my life in the last 5 years or so. Well said. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 12, 2023 18:46:53 GMT
You just hate migrants with such a passion that you won’t hear anything positive about them. I never said Brits are bad foreigners are good. The biggest tax payer in the country last year is a migrant. Russian Alex Gerko paid £487.4m in tax. Does he not contribute? Good grief, that really backs up your argument. Well I have posted the facts about migrants contributing more than Brits. I thought I would also give a specific example to prove to Aurelius that migrants can contribute despite his prejudices. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 12, 2023 18:48:30 GMT
All I know is migrants in the main have turned my once friendly local area into a drug peddling, knife wielding den of iniquity. Unfortunately I can’t show any statistics for this but I do have a pair of eyes and they function well enough to see what’s going on. Of course it can’t all be blamed on them but the timing kind of goes hand in hand with the massive rise in crime. I’ll let you lot argue all day long about the benefits of migrants, which I agree, there are many. Such as the points Oggy makes but when all said and done I can 100% confidently say that migrants have had a huge negative impact on my life in the last 5 years or so. I am very sorry to hear that, Badger. I doubt the drug peddlers are paying much tax! Obviously the majority of migrants are not knife wielding drug dealers. But some are and should face the full force of the law. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 12, 2023 18:52:06 GMT
Good grief, that really backs up your argument. Well I have posted the facts about migrants contributing more than Brits. I thought I would also give a specific example to prove to Aurelius that migrants can contribute despite his prejudices. You can't ask me to provide official facts if you haven't provided any yourself...which you haven't. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 12, 2023 18:52:59 GMT
All I know is migrants in the main have turned my once friendly local area into a drug peddling, knife wielding den of iniquity. Unfortunately I can’t show any statistics for this but I do have a pair of eyes and they function well enough to see what’s going on. Of course it can’t all be blamed on them but the timing kind of goes hand in hand with the massive rise in crime. I’ll let you lot argue all day long about the benefits of migrants, which I agree, there are many. Such as the points Oggy makes but when all said and done I can 100% confidently say that migrants have had a huge negative impact on my life in the last 5 years or so. I am very sorry to hear that, Badger. I doubt the drug peddlers are paying much tax! Obviously the majority of migrants are not knife wielding drug dealers. But some are and should face the full force of the law. Good luck with the last bit |
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Post by knype on Oct 12, 2023 19:01:51 GMT
They are all factored into the figures. I agree they shouldn’t be in hotels and should be able to work when their claim is being processed. Their claims should also be processed quickly. But the Home Secretary is at fault for those issues, not me. Dont confuse migrants with asylum seekers. 660k net migration last year (up from 300k pre the Brexit vote incidentally) - 92% of which are NOT asylum seekers but have come here perfectly legally in accordance with home office regulations in the vast majority of cases in order to work. The idea that all migrants are in hotels plotting terrorist attacks and grooming local schoolkids is propagandist bollocks. Who has said what you put in your last bit? |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 12, 2023 19:07:23 GMT
I am very sorry to hear that, Badger. I doubt the drug peddlers are paying much tax! Obviously the majority of migrants are not knife wielding drug dealers. But some are and should face the full force of the law. Good luck with the last bit The 3 most important doctors in my son’s health scare last year were migrants. Certainly two of them saved his life, and the third was massive in his recovery. Many of the nurses that were one to one with him, day and night (he was 3 weeks old) were migrants. Many were Brits. The point is, migrants are essential. Some are bad. Most are good. But this myth that they are to blame for our society’s problems is just a myth. Take away all the foreigners and our problems will not disappear. The easiest people to blame them on will have disappeared though. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Oct 12, 2023 19:14:22 GMT
Dont confuse migrants with asylum seekers. 660k net migration last year (up from 300k pre the Brexit vote incidentally) - 92% of which are NOT asylum seekers but have come here perfectly legally in accordance with home office regulations in the vast majority of cases in order to work. The idea that all migrants are in hotels plotting terrorist attacks and grooming local schoolkids is propagandist bollocks. Who has said what you put in your last bit? |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 12, 2023 19:15:57 GMT
Good luck with the last bit The 3 most important doctors in my son’s health scare last year were migrants. Certainly two of them saved his life, and the third was massive in his recovery. Many of the nurses that were one to one with him, day and night (he was 3 weeks old) were migrants. Many were Brits. The point is, migrants are essential. Some are bad. Most are good. But this myth that they are to blame for our society’s problems is just a myth. Take away all the foreigners and our problems will not disappear. The easiest people to blame them on will have disappeared though. There will always be certain people in society who need to demonise an out-group whether that's Jews, blacks, Asians, muslims, Irish, disabled, homosexuals, migrants, Huguenots, Catholics, the list goes on. It's often a reflection of the inadequacies of their own lives. And, similarly, there will always be politicians ready and willing to exploit that unpleasantness. All you can do is to try to educate those who get taken in and allow it to dominate their thinking, and despise the cynicism of the politicians who pander to those base instincts. But it'll always be there in some form and there'll always those who fall for it. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 12, 2023 19:17:26 GMT
Good luck with the last bit The 3 most important doctors in my son’s health scare last year were migrants. Certainly two of them saved his life, and the third was massive in his recovery. Many of the nurses that were one to one with him, day and night (he was 3 weeks old) were migrants. Many were Brits. The point is, migrants are essential. Some are bad. Most are good. But this myth that they are to blame for our society’s problems is just a myth. Take away all the foreigners and our problems will not disappear. The easiest people to blame them on will have disappeared though. I didn’t say they were to blame for societies problems. I suggested the uptick in crime went hand in hand with increased migration to the U.K. which it does because I’ve seen it. I don’t need “stats”, “polls” or “Twatter” links to know that. Of course, in the main, migrants do some great things for this country, where would we be without them at the NHS for example. But I cannot ignore the negative impact it has had on “my” life. That’s all I’m saying |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 12, 2023 19:19:49 GMT
The 3 most important doctors in my son’s health scare last year were migrants. Certainly two of them saved his life, and the third was massive in his recovery. Many of the nurses that were one to one with him, day and night (he was 3 weeks old) were migrants. Many were Brits. The point is, migrants are essential. Some are bad. Most are good. But this myth that they are to blame for our society’s problems is just a myth. Take away all the foreigners and our problems will not disappear. The easiest people to blame them on will have disappeared though. I didn’t say they were to blame for societies problems. I suggested the uptick in crime went hand in hand with increased migration to the U.K. which it does because I’ve seen it. I don’t need “stats”, “polls” or “Twatter” links to know that. Of course, in the main, migrants do some great things for this country, where would we be without them at the NHS for example. But I cannot ignore the negative impact it has had on “my” life. That’s all I’m saying Just to add Oggy, I’m sorry your son and mother and indeed yourself have been subjected to what you have. I really hope all is well now and all the best |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 12, 2023 19:22:20 GMT
Good luck with the last bit The 3 most important doctors in my son’s health scare last year were migrants. Certainly two of them saved his life, and the third was massive in his recovery. Many of the nurses that were one to one with him, day and night (he was 3 weeks old) were migrants. Many were Brits. The point is, migrants are essential. Some are bad. Most are good. But this myth that they are to blame for our society’s problems is just a myth. Take away all the foreigners and our problems will not disappear. The easiest people to blame them on will have disappeared though. They didn't save his life because they were migrants, they saved his life because they were doctors. A British doctor would of done the same. Most migrants aren't doctors, the ones that are I welcome with open arms. Who wouldn't. I do think we've got more than enough warehouse workers though 👀 |
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